Hard Drive

[Schezo]

You are correct.. I don't know a thing about computers.. When someone gives out the specs to a system, I always end up saying "Is that good?". All I know about is Megabytes, Mhz, and Ram. I know pretty much, nothing esle.. I do know HTML though..

[fooman83]

There are many good reasons why X-Box will be ungood. People like Nintendo and Sony. To people with limited money (most game players) they will think: "Hmm, should I spend my money on a system like Gamecube or PS2 which I know will have good games and I trust... OR should I spend my money on the new guy who has no established game series?"

The choice is obvious.

[greenbirdz]

just buy a computer instead of an Xbox

[greenbirdz]

but yes, the harddrive will probably be specially created for the xbox's needs so it won't crash.

[stupoo007]

Originally posted by greenbirdz
just buy a computer instead of an Xbox

if you can buy a computer with the same specs a the x-bow for the same as the x-box then i will leave this forum!! (plus it has to be real)

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Lord Zeiler
There are obviously a few people here that know nothing about hard drives. First of all, the XBox can run just fine without a hard drive, it is optional. Second, Microsoft is the leader in computer technology and I think that if they want their system to survive, they will make a little better than your average hard drive. You know, one that won't crsh. If you want to insult the XBox and say the cube is better, use a legitimate argument.

Zeiler has Spoken

X-Box probaly won't even get past it's splash screen without the HDD. Now it's not nessacarily a part of the integrated architecture, but afer a few slave chaecks by the BIOS, it probaly won't be able to start up automatically. Also the 10GB HDD is standard equipment. It can't be taken out, and will most likley not be upgradeable.

Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT.

[sn0man]

Ok I'm goimg way of topic here but there was some stupid PS2 fan here that said somthing stupid. Then did not even back it then concluded that PS2 was beter than the Competetion. What the hell is he/she talking about 40gs? 40gs what the is that. Maybe he ment 40MB whatch Nintendo and Xbox destroy. After the Expansion Pack is added Nintendo will have 78MB RAM Xbox is somewhere neer that mark but a little below.

Anyways lets get back to the hard drive. Even if Micrsoft did make it so that there was no way it could crash, witch I highly doubt. theres still a posibility to pick up a virus when the internet capabilities are added. A hard drive makes Xbox seem more like a computer so that may influence wether a person will or will not buy a Xbox.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by sn0man
Ok I'm goimg way of topic here but there was some stupid PS2 fan here that said somthing stupid. Then did not even back it then concluded that PS2 was beter than the Competetion. What the hell is he/she talking about 40gs? 40gs what the is that. Maybe he ment 40MB whatch Nintendo and Xbox destroy. After the Expansion Pack is added Nintendo will have 78MB RAM Xbox is somewhere neer that mark but a little below.

Anyways lets get back to the hard drive. Even if Micrsoft did make it so that there was no way it could crash, witch I highly doubt. theres still a posibility to pick up a virus when the internet capabilities are added. A hard drive makes Xbox seem more like a computer so that may influence wether a person will or will not buy a Xbox.

I'd like to point out XB doesn't have any room for expansion. Since the only ports on it are Proprietary USB based. And USB only has a transfer rate of around 4MB/sec at the most. And since XB has 5 of them, thats divided up pretty bad. So no RAM, or HDD upgrades for it.

[GCMaster]

Originally posted by Lord Zeiler
they will make a little better than your average hard drive. You know, one that won't crsh. If you want to insult the XBox and say the cube is better, use a legitimate argument.

LOL, the XBox crashes at E3, and that was probably a unit manicured to the bone!

[neodragon]

the xbox's OS is on the DVD and not stored on the hard drive. So games will start up just like any other system. If you turn it on without a disc in it will load an options menu to set options like 5.1, wide screen and saved games. The PS2 hardive is a good idea but to late. It a fact that only 20% of designers will support an add on. Also EGM has already said that the hardrive for the Xbox is brilliant it make the games load as fast as carts.

[Korbinn]

Plus, the supposed "crash" was unfinished software running on unfinished hardware.

[neodragon]

Originally posted by Pretendo
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I'd like to point out XB doesn't have any room for expansion. Since the only ports on it are Proprietary USB based. And USB only has a transfer rate of around 4MB/sec at the most. And since XB has 5 of them, thats divided up pretty bad. So no RAM, or HDD upgrades for it. [/B][/QUOTE]

No expasion is a bad thing? Its proven that only 20% of game developers support expansions. One complaint in Japan is about how big the Xbox is. How big will the PS2 be with its hard drive, and network expansions. At least the Xbox wanted to give it all to everyone that buys their system.

[imported_Unreal]

Originally posted by PS2FAN
ps2s hardrive will be 40gs

Yeah, but it is an PS2 Addon, don't think that many people will buy it.

[imported_Unreal]

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Korbinn
Plus, the supposed "crash" was unfinished software running on unfinished hardware.

Everybody had a crash in one form or the other at E3, but not as severly or embarissingly as Microsoft's.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Unreal

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

It's quite obvious you've got your facts wrong. Unlike the GPU developed by nVidia, ArtX built 'flipper' from scratch with aid's from Nintendo, and tips from Miyamoto who gave briefs on the kind of gameplay GCN will host and the boys at ArtX put in the required hardware. The flipper's architecture's also based off the OpenGL API, developers know it's more efficient, easier to tweak, easier to de-bug, and easily expandable to name a few. Yes the GF3 based XB GPU can run OGL, but it's chip architecture was not optimized for the API, which is why so many cards these days have such trouble running OGL as they where optimized for DX.

As for the processor GCN simply has Xbox beat. Xbox uses a pretty much off the shelve PIII, yeah they say it's been modified, but that only means a few extentions to the BIOS, and a few communication tags. GCN's is based (keyword) off the powerfull Power PC architecture, but has been customized by IBM with Nintendo's parameters for optimal performance. Also a 400Mhz PPC based chip can outperform a 700Mhz PIII. You also left out GCN is chock full of 1T-SRAM, the fastset RAM availble on the planet mind you, and with extremely high bus bandwidth's.

GCN does more with less for a lot cheaper. End of argument.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Unreal

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

Brining in opinion doesn't help further anyones argument. And by "the best" your probaly refering to performance. Wel ask yourself this how many times have intels CPU's been outperformed by AMD's bag of tricks?

[BigSky]

Pretendo erronously writes:
"GCN does more with less for a lot cheaper. End of argument."

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Sorry, completely wrong there buddy.
For $100 less the GC will not have a HDD, and EtherNet Adapter. Nor have I yet to see much from Nintendo showing it's graphics. This close to launch and XBox is so much further ahead.

The GC will be mired down with lack of software just like the N64 was.

Good luck though, I hope they surpass 30 million units, but something tells me that will take Nintendo a long time.

[MATRIX-X]

As for the processor GCN simply has Xbox beat. Xbox uses a pretty much off the shelve PIII, yeah they say it's been modified, but that only means a few extentions to the BIOS, and a few communication tags. GCN's is based (keyword) off the powerfull Power PC architecture, but has been customized by IBM with Nintendo's parameters for optimal performance. Also a 400Mhz PPC based chip can outperform a 700Mhz PIII. You also left out GCN is chock full of 1T-SRAM, the fastset RAM availble on the planet mind you, and with extremely high bus bandwidth's.

so why do we use alton and itel chips again?
and if you do a little rant like that i want to see some back up info like an actual compairison between the two.
like Dmips
and stop this debate buy the console you like and leave the other one alone.



[Edited by MATRIX-X on 06-19-2001 at 03:02 PM]

[simps]

I just say.. well.. i already have a computer.. i already have a DVD player... i already have a fast internet connection...

so what i NEED is a console that would give me gaming, good gaming, without all that extra crap. What next generation system gives me that? why, gamecube does!

easy decision for me.. i dont see why everyone is still arguing, this forum should be closed and this message posted instead of it because I jsut ended the argument..

ok so maybe you arent me and you want a DVD player and you dont have a computer.. ok then get XBOX.. you'll pay a bit more for it, but you'll get your standard DVD playing and file storage.. youll get your average games.. thats ok.. i mean its your money, isnt it?