Console Sales and Debate Thread

[HighOnSunoco]

It will be the 360, that was three years in the making...

[Zer0-Sum]

I love these ghey code names for the 360. "Falcon" and "Jasper". How ghey.

I hope that Sony drops the price of the PS3 in Europe to counter the price drop on the 360. But then again they have those bundles coming to Europe. Those are sweet as candy. I don't see any 360 bundles that are that sweet.

[cliffbo]

Europe:

PS3: 75,246 4,544,390
Wii: 73,622 7,175,001
360: 45,212 11,237,882

UK only:

Wii: 21,750 2,406,462
PS3: 21,158 1,049,960
360: 18,556 2,072,07

[jako]

America for last week :
XBOX360 : 80,933
PS3 : 71,730
Wii : 69,801

[Heinrich4]

My guess...ps3 will sell much much more if goes to US$300 or sub levels of this (despite BD player etc) if wee count a "timeframe" like old generations beguin lower price and more boost sales(psone in 1996, ps2 in 2001).

(a gamer console always have in mind since old gens price sub US$299 and generally dont acept more than this)

[Rockmond]

I still don't trust VGChartz stats.

Me neither.

They had 360 clocked in at about 440,000 for January...They had 360 practically stomping PS3 into the damn ground on a weekly basis then the Jan NPD numbers were released then on the very next update they had PS3 out of fucking nowhere beat 360 by a slight margin....I mean come on.

Now the word on the street is that 360's have been selling more than PS3 ever since their stock "replenished" so I guess they are going to have 360 stomping PS3 into the ground again.

[Zer0-Sum]

I would trust a sales chart long before I would trust the word on the street.

I guess they are going to have 360 stomping PS3 into the ground again.

Nice. Way to be there man.

RRoD anyone? Anyone?

[Beenie Man]

I really do not know why you guys are using VGChartz! That site has proved multiple times that it is very unreliable. The countless times it has been way off when the NPDs came out should tell you guys something. VGChartz is full of SHIT!!! But if you guys want to follow it go ahead.

[Segitz]

I really do not know why you guys are using VGChartz! That site has proved multiple times that it is very unreliable. The countless times it has been way off when the NPDs came out should tell you guys something. VGChartz is full of SHIT!!! But if you guys want to follow it go ahead.

Well...

our "numbers" guy here (Viper) trusts them... And since this is quite some hobby of his, I trust his judgement. All numbers released are always estimations of what really took place. There are big companys doing that (NPD, which incidentally is the name of the german right wing party btw^^) and smaller ones (VGChartz), and both numbers usually fall within 10% or what... I guess, that is as specific as we can get it, without being an insider at Sony or MS.

Those numbers also should NOT interest anyone of us really... We should be concerned, if "our" console sells well, and nothing more (or we end up like the Atari Jaguar or the 3DO). As long as the companys making those consoles and games make a profit, and they are healthy, we are good to go.

[jaxmkii]

America for last week :
XBOX360 : 80,933
PS3 : 71,730
Wii : 69,801

i wonder how many of the 360s sales are RROD replacements.

no joke at 33% failure rates it has to count for something.

[curryking1]

I think there was a report it was more like 16%, not 33% or anything. 16% chance to be likely to break.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=84418

Then again some people in the same thread are saying that's unreasonable as it's too low, I dunno.

[seahorse]

i think at launch it was like 33%

[pac4life]

I think at launch it was like 100%








im kidding i love my 360. (or...am i not kidding...ooo suspense)

[Viper]

Those that say VGChartz is bad just because it doesn't mimic NPD numbers don't understand what NPD is or what sampling statistics are about. Of course there are also the fanboys who doubt them simply because they don't like seeing their console getting beat in sales.

[cliffbo]

i wonder how many of the 360s sales are RROD replacements.

no joke at 33% failure rates it has to count for something.

yeh, that's what i want to know, especially when some people have had more than one replacement

[Sephiroth_VII]

Are replacement consoles even registered by the NPD/VGChartz?

[woundingchaney]

Are replacement consoles even registered by the NPD/VGChartz?

No they are not. They are based off of established and estimated sales.


The primary issue would be "if" the consumer purchased another console rather than seek repairs or purchased another console rather than wait for the return console. Though I would have a hard time believing that this concept would relate to a large amount of consoles being sold, particularly if the "repaired" console was somehow put on the market via ebay, gamestop, pawn shops or otherwise (as to say someone purchasing a "used" console isnt readily going to buy a new console in turn). If a consumer currently owns 2 consoles one would assume that a portion of these consumers would put one of the consoles into the used market, unless of course they choose to keep 2 console then one would have to prove that this wasnt intended anyways.

The percentage of breaking is really an undefined number. Personal estimates of people range as high as 33% and then various "studies" clock in around approx. 16% (though this is a somewhat unreliable study) and even an insider article suggests that newer models (well they would be older now) are around 8% and various others. Chances are there will never be an officially confirmed number only speculation and haphazard studies, though regardless of source any of the numbers are considerably "too high" as general acceptance of electronic device failure is about 3%-5%.

[cliffbo]

Microsoft: PS3 Likely Outsold 360 in Feb.
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Ahead of February US NPD sales figures, Microsoft has told Next-Gen that it expects the PlayStation 3 to have outsold Xbox 360 last month, but calls the win a "hollow victory."
ImageAt least one analyst has said that Microsoft is over its supply issues with Xbox 360, saying there is now an ample supply of consoles at retailers. But Microsoft insists that the Xbox 360 was still supply constrained in February, resulting in PS3 beating Xbox 360 in US hardware sales for the second month in a row.

“Our expectation is that because of our shortages at retail during February, we will sell less than PS3,” Xbox 360 group product manager Aaron Greenberg told Next-Gen. “That’s not a surprise to us. I don’t know what Sony’s reaction will be to that, but it will definitely be a bit of a hollow victory. The competition sure didn’t show up [in February].”

Nintendo's Wii continues to see supply issues, as the $250 console shows little sign of letting up. In January, Wii sold 274,000 units, PS3 sold 269,000 and Xbox 360 sold 230,000, according to NPD Group. Microsoft has said it sold more Xbox 360s during holiday 2007 than it anticipated.

“You can go to any given store and happen to find some consoles there, but we can tell you that from working with all of our retailers and being able to actually know our inventory by store across the country that we are still, unfortunately, experiencing shortages.”

Greenberg says that when Xbox 360 has been in stock, Microsoft’s console has outsold PS3 two-to-one “every single month.”

He expects supply to be back in order before the huge launch of Rockstar’s Grand Theft Auto IV on April 29, making clear the importance of the title as a console mover.

NPD Group is slated to release its monthly US sales data Thursday.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=9531&Itemid=2

[Zer0-Sum]

Yah right, blame it on stock constraints in the stores. That is a good one. Ok then, nothing to see here folks, move along....

[Kiwi]

Lol, if they're having stock problems, they better sort it out for the price reduction that's coming into action tomorrow.