Remember, Sony killed Sega

**BahnNZ** · 05-16-2007, 04:58 AM

The ultimate proof is here:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...e=wmv&id=19089

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...e=wmv&id=19558

It wasn't because they kept making sh**e consoles or anything.

**Generosity of God** · 05-16-2007, 07:02 AM

really i would have thought it was more like SEGA was killing SEGA and Sony taking the rest of their audience was the nail in the coffin.

**curryking1** · 05-16-2007, 12:12 PM

They both played their part lol.

**The Dude** · 05-16-2007, 02:25 PM

I wouldn't give Sony all the credit. They were pretty weak after the after trying to compete with the SNES with all their failed add ons. Sony delivered the final blows and the finishing move.

**HolyPaladin** · 05-16-2007, 04:05 PM

Man, I wish those killer Sega CD games had been available on my old SNES!

It's a shame that there wasn't a CD add-on for the SNES.

Nevermind.

**HPK** · 05-16-2007, 06:37 PM

The true statement was "Nintendo killed SEGA by backstabbing Sony." The birth of the CD-i led to SEGA's death.

Well, that, and SEGA got pretty retarded with their systems. As soon as they got success with the Genesis, something happened. Everyone at SEGA just went ape-shit and just came out with all this other stuff. 2 other versions of the Genesis, 32x, SEGA CD....and then the Saturn was killed off early because of poor sales in America (but it was still doing pretty well in Japan). Then the DreamCast was too expensive to make and no money was being made off of it at the original price of $200...I do question why they cut the price down to $100 like a year after it came out.

As much as I like SEGA, they haven't made anything decent since the DreamCast was alive, it would seem.

**NeoDeity** · 05-16-2007, 07:30 PM

After seeing all that, I realized that Sony may be in a bad position with the PS3 and all that, but at least its not this bad.

**koten** · 05-16-2007, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by HPK

The true statement was "Nintendo killed SEGA by backstabbing Sony." The birth of the CD-i led to SEGA's death.

Well, that, and SEGA got pretty retarded with their systems. As soon as they got success with the Genesis, something happened. Everyone at SEGA just went ape-shit and just came out with all this other stuff. 2 other versions of the Genesis, 32x, SEGA CD....and then the Saturn was killed off early because of poor sales in America (but it was still doing pretty well in Japan). Then the DreamCast was too expensive to make and no money was being made off of it at the original price of $200...I do question why they cut the price down to $100 like a year after it came out.

As much as I like SEGA, they haven't made anything decent since the DreamCast was alive, it would seem.

More like "Nintendo killed SEGA by being backstabbed by Sony.

**curryking1** · 05-16-2007, 08:30 PM

I think it was actually Nintendo who backstabbed Sony. Sony just didn't drop the project.

**Khaos** · 05-16-2007, 08:32 PM

I think it was actually Nintendo who backstabbed Sony. Sony just didn't drop the project.

Nope.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disk technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the disks were a piracy danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CDROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was struck, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation", was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the eight-channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.

In 1989, the SNES-CD was to be announced at the June Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNESCD-ROM format. Yamauchi was furious; deeming the contract totally unacceptable, he secretly cancelled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Indeed, instead of announcing their partnership, at 9 am the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that they were now allied with Philips, and were planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknownst to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

This doesn't make the situation perfectly clear, but pretty much the agreement was cleverly-worded to allow Sony to licenseall games developed on a SNES-CD.

**Media** · 05-16-2007, 08:35 PM

Nintendo did backstab Sony. They went with Phillips behind Sony's back. To go behind another company's back, with an American company none the less, is possibly the worst move in Japan.

**curryking1** · 05-16-2007, 08:45 PM

I didn't know that, thanks Khaos. But I do distinctly remember also Nintendo deciding to go with Philips with something without telling Sony, and I'm almost certain that played a part as well. I am almost certain there was a thing between Nintendo and Philips that also created problems.

But I never heard of the thing you put up there, thanks for that. Both could've played a part maybe? Wonder how it all went down, like when each happened and when the other found out and stuff. It's almost like people cheating with friends lol.

**Media** · 05-16-2007, 08:48 PM

What Sony did was greedy, but not backstabbing.

***masteratt*** · 05-16-2007, 08:58 PM

Nintendo did what they had to do.

Sony having total control over any SNES-CD game on a Nintendo console just makes no sense at all.

My theory is that Sony (Ken, to be more precise) lead Nintendo down this road.

Within Sony, Ken was looking for an excuse to give birth to what later became PlayStation as he probably knew from working on Nintendo's sound chip that consoles are an exciting place for an engineer (and we know how crazy Ken is about technology) so to encourage the idea on to his boss he somehow had to get some ground work done in a console technology (which is a market Sony refused to get involved in) so after the CD player was under work and the ridiculous contract obviously rejected by Nintendo, Ken now had the chance to say "look we already have this CD player, we can go ahead and make our own console and get revenge on Nintendo" And revenge and honour being a huge deal in Japan, Sony boss said "let's do it" and Ken's genius plan worked.

I dunno, it makes sense to me (unless Ken didn't write the contract but being the person associated with Nintendo, he probably had some hand to play).

**Khaos** · 05-16-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by curryking1

I didn't know that, thanks Khaos. But I do distinctly remember also Nintendo deciding to go with Philips with something without telling Sony, and I'm almost certain that played a part as well. I am almost certain there was a thing between Nintendo and Philips that also created problems.

But I never heard of the thing you put up there, thanks for that. Both could've played a part maybe? Wonder how it all went down, like when each happened and when the other found out and stuff. It's almost like people cheating with friends lol.

Yeah, idk. I've always seen Nintendo's reaction as justified. I mean, as masteratt said, Yamauchi jsut found out that through a cleverly-worded clause that Sony would get rights to any games made on a CD. If I found that out, I would pull out for sure and seek another company to do business with.

**curryking1** · 05-16-2007, 09:18 PM

So Ken is really just an evil mastermind!

God bless him....

You make good points too guys. The Nintendo Philips thing may have very well happened as a result of the Sony clause, or maybe they are unrelated but it still was only the clause that really broke everything down. Interesting stuff though, it's sounds kind of out of a crazy conspiracy theory that the Playstation was born lol!

I say I'd do the same thing in Ninty's position as well if I found out about the clause.

**BahnNZ** · 05-16-2007, 10:30 PM

Do watch the videos, the MegaCD one escepially. People have this idea that Sega were completely blameless, never made a bad game or console ever, they forget about....

MegaCD
32X
Night Trap
Sewer Shark
Basing your company around the arcades
the arcades then dying

With the Sega CD 6 million people spent what, 400 bucks on that thing.

But Sega are a victim!!!

p.s. you guys do know the thread title is ironic. You hear it over and over again "Sony killed Sega man if it wasn't for them...."

**woundingchaney** · 05-16-2007, 10:31 PM

Meh, Sega killed Sega. Sony simply made it considerably easier for them to die.

**curryking1** · 05-17-2007, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Applefiend

"...if it wasn't for them...."

...Nintendo would've come and done the same thing, mercilessly finished off a shadow of what Sega was or could've been. All those points you listed are the real reason behind their death. Wounding's right lol, and as well, if it wasn't Sony, another company would come in and just speed up the process.

**Hisham** · 05-17-2007, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by HPK

The true statement was "Nintendo killed SEGA by backstabbing Sony." The birth of the CD-i led to SEGA's death.

Well, that, and SEGA got pretty retarded with their systems. As soon as they got success with the Genesis, something happened. Everyone at SEGA just went ape-shit and just came out with all this other stuff. 2 other versions of the Genesis, 32x, SEGA CD....and then the Saturn was killed off early because of poor sales in America (but it was still doing pretty well in Japan). Then the DreamCast was too expensive to make and no money was being made off of it at the original price of $200...I do question why they cut the price down to $100 like a year after it came out.

As much as I like SEGA, they haven't made anything decent since the DreamCast was alive, it would seem.

VF5, Virtua Tennis 3 and NBA 2K series...

Other than those, I agree...