Miyamoto Tells 3rd Parties What's Up.

**TheGreenElf** · 04-04-2007, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Miyamoto

If there's only one piece of advice that I could give to the managers of third party companies, it would be that a lot of times it seems that when they're putting games out on Nintendo hardware, those games are being developed by their third-string team or their fourth-string team. Maybe that's because they see those products as being unique projects or somewhat smaller-scale projects. But when Nintendo puts out a title that is designed to really support and sell its hardware, that title is always developed by one of our number one teams. And so I think that when it comes to the question of trying to compete with our software, I would really like to see the parties try to do that with their number one teams rather than with the third- or fourth-string teams.

Also talked about was his reaction to Sony's HOME and LittleBigPlanet, and why he welcomes the idea of other companies innovating in the same vein as Nintendo. You can read the interview in its entirety here (Nintendo World Report).

Anyone disagree? Didn't think so...so get on the ball 3rd parties.

**koten** · 04-04-2007, 04:20 AM

Third parties really should get to work. There's a lot more that can be done on the Wii and they need to step up or step aside.

**Bowser** · 04-04-2007, 04:37 AM

I think that home and LittleBigPlanet are reactive moves, as they are borrowing from other games to create their vision(The Sims and Second Life come to mind). Also, I think it is a bit anti-social, as you can get lost doing things in that environment that you could easily do in the real world-(watching movies, for instance).

What Miyamoto said about third parties is absolutely true though, because they give us these lame brained efforts like, oh say- Far Cry: Vengeance and expect US to buy; and then when we don't, they decide that it is because we don't LIKE their products, when really we are objecting to the quality of their crappy ports. Good on him for mentioning it.

***Zeep*** · 04-04-2007, 05:49 AM

I'm always really annoyed that whenever I play a third-party game I always seem to have to ask myself why the game isn't as polished as a first-party Nintendo game. Even top of the line 3rd party games, like SSX Blur, I just get this feeling, "If Nintendo had made this..."

And it's always little things like menu interfaces, loading screens, etc. Even first party games from Nintendo that get 6's and 7's always seem to feel more "polished" to me than third party games that get 8's or 9's.

**Lynk Former** · 04-04-2007, 10:05 AM

**Khaos** · 04-04-2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Zeep

I'm always really annoyed that whenever I play a third-party game I always seem to have to ask myself why the game isn't as polished as a first-party Nintendo game. Even top of the line 3rd party games, like SSX Blur, I just get this feeling, "If Nintendo had made this..."

And it's always little things like menu interfaces, loading screens, etc. Even first party games from Nintendo that get 6's and 7's always seem to feel more "polished" to me than third party games that get 8's or 9's.

Haha, yeah, I find myself saying the same thing. Because if it's made by Nintendo, I have a certain standard in my head about how the game feels and looks and is presented. Nintendo is synonymous with high quality and focusing on even the little things to create a great game in every aspect.

**Phoenix** · 04-04-2007, 12:39 PM

I kind of agree, Nintendo seems to have much more pride in their games. If third parties could do this on Nintendo consoles, that would be awesome. I haven't loved a third-party game since the Gamecube.

**IEatFriedPikmin** · 04-04-2007, 01:36 PM

Nintendo has almost always gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to 3rd parties.... it makes me cry

**The_Cat** · 04-04-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I haven't loved a third-party game since the Gamecube.

I seriously can't even remember the last great 3rd-party game for a Nintendo console. Shiggy has a really good point.

There is a term for what 3rd-party developers are doing, but I can't think of it right now. It describes what happens when somebody thinks they know what the outcome is going to be, so they subconsciously take steps that cause the outcome they predicted (ex. developers think their games won't sell well on a Nintendo console so they make uninspired games).

**venomv** · 04-04-2007, 02:52 PM

Nintendo has a history of not being kind to third parties, I think that has changed, but some people can hold a grudge for a while.

**Xer0** · 04-04-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by The_Cat

I seriously can't even remember the last great 3rd-party game for a Nintendo console.

RE4...but that's about it unless your willing to jump back to Skies of Arcadia and what not or if your willing to consider MGS:TT third party or not since it was developed by SK when they were a Nintendo second party. But yea, i totally agree with him.

**TheGreenElf** · 04-04-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by The_Cat

I seriously can't even remember the last great 3rd-party game for a Nintendo console.

Are you serious? You need to open your eyes then...
Resident Evil 4 (And 0 and 1)
Beyond Good and Evil
Prince of Persia (At least the first one)
Splinter Cell (Again...at least the first one)
Ikaruga
Goblin Commander (though I just started through this game).
Tales of Symphonia
Baten Katios (At least from what I hear)
Soul Calibur II
Viewtiful Joe
Billy Hatcher

I could name more (especially from DS), but I think my point is across. Although these are the more exceptional ones, I'm just pointing out that your statement was a bit farfetched.

Originally Posted by venomv

Nintendo has a history of not being kind to third parties, I think that has changed, but some people can hold a grudge for a while.

That is true...I can understand some of the companies though...When they do release a great title, it still only makes minimal sales compared to a Nintendo franchise on the same console...so it's partially the Nintendo fans' fault.

**venomv** · 04-04-2007, 03:17 PM

That is true...I can understand some of the companies though...When they do release a great title, it still only makes minimal sales compared to a Nintendo franchise on the same console...so it's partially the Nintendo fans' fault.

Yeah, a lot of Nintendo fans are extremely loyal to Nintendo's first party, which is a double egded sword.

More first party software sales, but less third party sales (which still equals money for Nintendo), so less willingness to put a lot of money into games for Nintendo's consoles, so lower quality third party games, equals less hardware sales for those of us who aren't huge fans of Nintendo's first party, which means less software sales all around.....

**The_Cat** · 04-04-2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by TheGreenElf

Are you serious? You need to open your eyes then...
Resident Evil 4 (And 0 and 1)
Beyond Good and Evil
Prince of Persia (At least the first one)
Splinter Cell (Again...at least the first one)
Ikaruga
Goblin Commander (though I just started through this game).
Tales of Symphonia
Baten Katios (At least from what I hear)
Soul Calibur II
Viewtiful Joe
Billy Hatcher

I could name more (especially from DS), but I think my point is across. Although these are the more exceptional ones, I'm just pointing out that your statement was a bit farfetched.

Out of that entire list I will give you 1. Resident Evil 4. The rest are all good games, but not great. Obviously you throw the word great around a lot more loosely than I do.

Also, I thought I mentioned that I was talking about home consoles in my previous post. If not, I meant to add that in there. I haven't played enough DS and GBA to give an educated opinion on handhelds.

**venomv** · 04-04-2007, 03:30 PM

I would call at least 4 of those great. SC2, PoP, RE4, and Viewtiful Joe.

**Bowser** · 04-05-2007, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by IEatFriedPikmin

Nintendo has almost always gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to 3rd parties.... it makes me cry

It wasn't always that way, though. I recall during the NES and S-NES eras a certain devotion to quality in the best third-parties that is unmatched today. Having said that, there are a lot of third-party gems out there of outstanding quality- you just have to know where to look for them. Most of my GameCube games are made by third parties, so they are out there.

**P.B.** · 04-06-2007, 04:36 AM

Nintendo does set a high bar though, and third parties seem to be more interested in just pumping out games with name appeal to sell mass quantities, not worrying so much about the quality, because they don't need to keep their specific system afloat. There are a few exceptions, but right now it seems too many publishers may be under the impression that wii is for short bursts of gaming as opposed to the long adventures, with large quality staffs and high budgets to back

**Black Dragon37** · 04-06-2007, 01:11 PM

Hmm. Nintendo put no effort into their hardware, and now they're pissed that third parties aren't putting effort into their limited hardware. That's a head scratcher all right.

**Lynk Former** · 04-06-2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Black Dragon37

Hmm. Nintendo put no effort into their hardware, and now they're pissed that third parties aren't putting effort into their limited hardware. That's a head scratcher all right.

Hmm, guy walks into thread and makes up stuff to sound good. That's to be expected I guess.

It's funny though, you could take what you said and spin it around the other way... for example.

Hmm. Sony put too much emphasis in the power of their hardware, and now they're pissed that third parties are making their games multiplatform in order to ensure profits are made instead of sticking to a single platform that bleeds them dry with their budgets. That's a head scratcher all right.

*looks around* What? Do people really think that there is only one kind of game that can be made? The games where it looks and feels just exactly like a movie?...