cheerful fellow

**cliffbo** · 02-12-2007, 07:22 PM

who pays this fellas wages? it actually amused me...

An Electronic Arts developer has gone on record to say that gamers shouldn't bother buying into PlayStation 3 unless a "big change" comes along for Sony's maligned next-gen console, posting to discussion site Free Republic that Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii are the better options.

"My opinion - get 360 and/or Wii. Skip PS3 unless there's a big change in the future," the post concludes. It was written by Andrew Garrett, a developer on previous EA titles like Battle for Middle Earth II and Medal of Honor: European Assault. Garrett is currently working on Command & Conquer 3.

Garrett explains that "most of us [at EA] think 360 will be top for this generation, with the battle for second place between Sony and Nintendo," before adding that "it's not a sure thing" that PS3 will triumph over Nintendo's visually-dated but exciting Wii.

While Garrett can hardly be held as the voice of a whole company, it can't be too positive for Sony to hear successful developers urging gamers away from PlayStation 3. Garrett fails to illustrate what he means by a "big change", though, and we believe that this year will see the gap between PS3 and 360 close like a well-oiled door as PS3 plays host to a new wave of exciting games. Developers, eh? What do they know?

http://www.gametab.com/news/813466/

***Luis*** · 02-12-2007, 07:28 PM

PS3 hasn't even launched in Europe yet and some people can't spread enough FUD. I'll reiterate myself and ask once again: how do you expect 360 to win worldwide when it'll remain a distant third in one of the main three markets for the rest of the generation?

**Rip3001** · 02-12-2007, 07:30 PM

I care more about what the developers of Mercenaries 2 have to say rather than this guy and his gang of Xbots. EA is a huge company and employee from a huge pool of gamers...you're going to have people like this.

**cliffbo** · 02-12-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by VG Aficionado

PS3 hasn't even launched in Europe yet and some people can't spread enough FUD. I'll reiterate myself and ask once again: how do you expect 360 to win worldwide when it'll remain a distant third in one of the main three markets for the rest of the generation?

if this guy is from EA, i don't think he'll be employed for much longer LOL... and yes, how can you compete if you fail in one of the major markets?

***Viper*** · 02-12-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by VG Aficionado

PS3 hasn't even launched in Europe yet and some people can't spread enough FUD. I'll reiterate myself and ask once again: how do you expect 360 to win worldwide when it'll remain a distant third in one of the main three markets for the rest of the generation?

Possibly because it's not a distant 3rd. it's pretty much half the PS3 which is far closer than last gen. While it won't stay that close, it's far better off for MS this round that last.

**FantasyGhost** · 02-12-2007, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

Possibly because it's not a distant 3rd. it's pretty much half the PS3 which is far closer than last gen. While it won't stay that close, it's far better off for MS this round that last.

Then why do i read reports from sites that the XBOX's first year sales were better then the XBOX 360 sales?

**cliffbo** · 02-12-2007, 07:36 PM

great timing though eh? LOL just before March. there are a lot of worried little folk out there with a mouth full of fingernails...

***Viper*** · 02-12-2007, 07:37 PM

Those were all before last November when the Xbox360 shot up sales. Take a look at my sales threads for yourself.

300k - X360's
600k - PS3's

***Luis*** · 02-12-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

Possibly because it's not a distant 3rd. it's pretty much half the PS3 which is far closer than last gen.

Considering 360's year advantage, that it's been sold at a huge discount, that it recently got its most important title for the Japanese audience and that PS3 still doesn't have a wide game catalogue to justify its price, that's not surprising at this point. Besides, note that I said "it'll remain".

While it won't stay that close, it's far better off for MS this round that last.

You'd still have to talk in relative terms, because the situation is still really bad and it doesn't look like it'll end up being nearly decent.

**cliffbo** · 02-12-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

Those were all before last November when the Xbox360 shot up sales. Take a look at my sales threads for yourself.

300k - X360's
600k - PS3's

Viper, where do you get your figures from? it would be great to have trusted figures, but i tend to read figures everywhere and take an average

***Viper*** · 02-12-2007, 07:49 PM

My figures are Media Create. You guys know my sales thread, right?

VG, the situation is far better for MS now at this point than it is for Sony at this point. MS has almost 3/5ths of the entire Xbox sales already sold on X360. Sony had millions sold almost right out of the gate with PS2. And don't talk about heavy price cuts for X360 without mentioning th big price cuts for PS3. Did you know some stores are selling the PS3 for less than they are the Wii (and the Wii is a fixed price so they aren't inflated)?

**FantasyGhost** · 02-12-2007, 07:52 PM

This can't be right, can it?

Xbox360:
NA - 3.3 million
Japan/PAL - 0.4 million
Euro - 1.3 million
Worldwide - 5 million

Edit: for those who don't know Viper's charts check the stickies in the forums here: http://forums.e-mpire.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

***Viper*** · 02-12-2007, 07:54 PM

I haven't update the MS numbers yet. Look for the update time stamp at the bottom of each post.

**FantasyGhost** · 02-12-2007, 07:56 PM

It's been updated 01-26-2007 so must be pretty much up to date no? I'm in this thread: http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=59593

***Luis*** · 02-12-2007, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

VG, the situation is far better for MS now at this point than it is for Sony at this point.

So what? PS3 has just launched. 5 years from now, 360 will be pretty much ignored in Japan unless there are big changes before that *winks at EA guy*.

And don't talk about heavy price cuts for X360 without mentioning th big price cuts for PS3. Did you know some stores are selling the PS3 for less than they are the Wii (and the Wii is a fixed price so they aren't inflated)?

The key is bolded. Not that your statement is too meaningful without contextualizing more than that.

**cliffbo** · 02-12-2007, 07:58 PM

My figures are Media Create. You guys know my sales thread, right?

eh?... what makes that more accurate? i'm not saying your figures are wrong, i'm just interested to know why you are so sure they are right...

***Viper*** · 02-12-2007, 08:02 PM

Being the most trusted sales tabulation company in Japan isn't enough?

I did add the new quarter financials to that post but not the sales figures. Note the "(as of June 30, 2006)" by the sales figures?

VG, point being they are not in a distant 3rd as many claim and the PS3 is in just as bad of shape as the X360 if not worse because the X360 is expected to flop there, the PS3 isn't.

**FantasyGhost** · 02-12-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

I did add the new quarter financials to that post but not the sales figures. Note the "(as of June 30, 2006)" by the sales figures?

OK, then it's not the actual numbers since launch date, but half way.

***Luis*** · 02-12-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Viper

VG, point being they are not in a distant 3rd as many claim and the PS3 is in just as bad of shape as the X360 if not worse because the X360 is expected to flop there, the PS3 isn't.

PS3 has just been out for 3 months over there without killer apps. It's too early to even think of "flops". If 360 still can't be considered a distant third a year from now, I'll agree with you.