XBOX360 Over-Heating problem. Could PS3 also have this problem?

**Handycrap101** · 10-11-2005, 10:30 PM

I was just on www.XBOXYDE.com looks for some video where I was reading the little description on the madden clip and he says to notice a crash at the end of the video where at first I tought he was talking about the tackles but just after he stated that the console overheated and "crashed".

This is his direct quote: "Note the beautiful crash at the end of the first action in the video, lots of games crashed during X05, looks like the consoles were overheating."

...Which can be found here- http://www.xboxyde.com/index_en.html

If the console is so close to being shipped and he noted that alot of consoles seemed to overheat then do you think that we may see MANY returns in the first few months because of this?

Now to keep this PS3 related in some way do you guys think that with this said could the PS3 also suffer some cooling problems? IF the PS3 has more power under the hood that would ultimately lead to more needed to cool the system and leading to an increase in system size. What do you guys think?

***frosty*** · 10-11-2005, 10:37 PM

i dunno, 360 is supposed to have a water-cooling system, so must be generating a lot of heat!

**woundingchaney** · 10-11-2005, 10:45 PM

Its hard telling if they where running the final build of the 360s or not, its possible they could have been using the components with a different cooling system or whatever.

Whatever it is it should be a MAJOR concern for MS, this whole launch is rushed anyways, if they release a console with heat issues they could blow everything they got going for them.

The PS3 while "arguably" having more power under the hood doesnt necessarily have the same issues as far as heat, so really we are going to have to wait and see whay Sony intends to do for a cooling system. As of right now I would say that it isnt a problem for Sony.

I hadnt heard of games crashing on the 360 other than GR3 and I was under the assumption that was because of a 50-60 percent build on the game. If this is true MS has very little time to remedy the problem.

**xbdestroya** · 10-11-2005, 10:39 PM

Cell supposedly runs cooler than the XeCPU at the same frequencies, so cooling of the CPU's should be less of an issue for PS3. The GPU's - who knows how they compare, not me. Obviously PS3 will have to deal with it's own cooling issues, and right now we have no idea how 'robust' PS3's cooling solution will be. But what we *can* say is that this is bad news for the 360 if it turns out to be an endemic problem.

**Zak** · 10-11-2005, 10:42 PM

I don't see the crash.

**TEEDA** · 10-11-2005, 10:49 PM

same crash with ghost recon 3 during the X05 , there's a video of Gametrailers in HD where you see a big crash at the end .

Z · 10-11-2005, 11:08 PM

X2 went to mass production. I don't think they were using final units in that show so no worries. if they were using final units then...

another thing; X2 is using liquid cooling, how can heat be a real problem then? in any case, I don't think X2 consoles will over heat. that is a serious problem MS would not want to make in these very touchy times. they would never hear the end of it even after the PS3 launches.

**cpiasminc** · 10-11-2005, 11:56 PM

It most likely was beta kits, which are completely air-cooled, and have a far bigger shroud for the fan exhaust -- the beta kits, in general, drowned out most vacuum cleaners and caused lifelong deafness to its users and redirected air traffic as the wind gusts would create a localized pocket of extreme turbulence.

Okay, enough joking...

X2 is using liquid cooling, how can heat be a real problem then? in any case, I don't think X2 consoles will over heat.

The term "liquid cooling" is a bit ambiguous. Heatsinks that happen to use heatpipes would still qualify as "liquid cooling" as the agent within the pipes is liquid. I have basically zero expectations of a pumped coolant akin to esoteric water cooling setups. I think there will be nothing really exotic about the cooling system, either. It'll probably be pretty reminiscent of current high-end PCs.

**jm9206755** · 10-12-2005, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by cpiasminc

Heatsinks that happen to use heatpipes would still qualify as "liquid cooling" as the agent within the pipes is liquid. I have basically zero expectations of a pumped coolant akin to esoteric water cooling setups. I think there will be nothing really exotic about the cooling system, either. It'll probably be pretty reminiscent of current high-end PCs.

I can't produce a link but I remember reading a blurb in an article back around E3 that said it was in fact a heatpiped heatsink (try saying that 5 times fast). The whole "liquid cooling" bit was probably MS' marketing department having fun with buzz words.

**Stelio** · 10-15-2005, 04:01 PM

The term "liquid cooling" is a bit ambiguous. Heatsinks that happen to use heatpipes would still qualify as "liquid cooling" as the agent within the p

First off Id like 2 say its good 2 b back here after some time off. Nice 2 c a lot of the original posters still here.

CPIA...fully agree with that quote.

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I dont believe we'll have anything 2 worry about in terms of cooling 4 any syst

**Domination** · 10-16-2005, 02:05 AM

Stelio, I am on PSP as well and will be for the entire week: vacation.

It was a little difficult finding a hotspot at first, but some how I got lucky and found one right outside of the balcony of the place in which I'll be staying.

I doubt I'll be posting as much (no keyboard), but checking for updates is more than possible.

Z · 10-16-2005, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Stelio

First off Id like 2 say its good 2 b back here after some time off. Nice 2 c a lot of the original posters still here.

hey! nice to have you back! you were missed. *group hug*

***D3adcell*** · 10-12-2005, 12:04 AM

Well the xbox360 does have 3 multicore processors while the ps3 only has one, the cell. So there should be considerably less heat generated from the ps3.

Microsoft would certainly have the over heating problem fixed before shipping the product. If not it would not cause far less sales then they want, but also tarnish their name a little more. It might make some large businesses that use microsoft products weary of using them.

**Killing Moon** · 10-12-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by D3adcell

Well the xbox360 does have 3 multicore processors while the ps3 only has one, the cell. So there should be considerably less heat generated from the ps3.

Microsoft would certainly have the over heating problem fixed before shipping the product. If not it would not cause far less sales then they want, but also tarnish their name a little more. It might make some large businesses that use microsoft products weary of using them.

WTF?!

**Nerve-Damage** · 10-12-2005, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Killing Moon

WTF?!

I think he worded it a little bit wrong!?!

Anyhow, the Xbox 360 has a three core processor design while the ps3 only has one PPE and seven active SPE’s. As far as heat issues goes, Sony also has its work cut out for them (cooling solution), those seven SPE’s haven’t disappeared d3adcell

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**tazz3** · 10-12-2005, 12:06 AM

i read they where dev kits that where crashing. but that was on xbox fourms.
i dont think the ps3 will over heat,
but the 360 has a heat pipe with some type fo spcieal water.
its not a true water cooling system.
I WANT MY I WANT MY PS3 LOL

***Luis*** · 10-12-2005, 12:50 AM

A real water cooling system would need some maintenance and wouldn't be small enough to be fit inside a Xbox 360 or a Playstation 3. Anyway, the biggest problem would be getting the end user to maintain the water cooling system, which would cause many returns due to mishandling; neither MS nor Sony or whoever else must entrust the system's integrity to the (almost invariably ignorant) end user.

I once heard from a so-called insider that the PS3 would feature a highly efficient cooling system, meaning it would feature an innovative design for that purpose. Anyway, don't quote me on that, I'd rather wait and see the real thing than relying on rumours.

Z · 10-12-2005, 12:58 AM

^ I want your PS3 too- lol

The term "liquid cooling" is a bit ambiguous. Heatsinks that happen to use heatpipes would still qualify as "liquid cooling" as the agent within the pipes is liquid. I have basically zero expectations of a pumped coolant akin to esoteric water cooling setups. I think there will be nothing really exotic about the cooling system, either. It'll probably be pretty reminiscent of current high-end PCs.

but will X2 really require any more expensive cooling? they are going the cheap way with everything, why not just use fans? unless X2 is too hut for normal fans to cool down. I just found it odd when I first heard 'liquid cooling' for X2. will future consoles all require that as well?

**Helios** · 10-12-2005, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Z

^ I want your PS3 too- lol

but will X2 really require any more expensive cooling? they are going the cheap way with everything, why not just use fans? unless X2 is too hut for normal fans to cool down. I just found it odd when I first heard 'liquid cooling' for X2. will future consoles all require that as well?

Future console probaly will require liquid cooling of some sort because while fan cooling is just about ok for right now it wont be as you start seeing more multi-core chips. The only problem is the maintenence issue, like the water cooling on my ALX is great and all but it still needs to be dumped and refilled once a year.

But thats still a ways away, were not quite at the stage where we need water cooling teqniques.