Why the PS3 will not be worth getting....

**brownbeaner2** · 08-31-2004, 11:13 PM

your just like this one guy who was here a couple months back who everyone is trying to forget, except you dont know the facts. but if your going to downplay Sony about their consoles at least have the knowlege to back it up.
and about your last post:
its not about what they could have done, the fact is that M$ had almost 2 years worth of time to make the X-Box better then the Ps2 and all they gave was a optimized pc with no upgradable feature except for that of having a bigger harddrive. im not saying that the games dont look good because they do except saying that the Ps2 cant keep up is just wouldnt make sense.

**XgustaX** · 08-31-2004, 11:15 PM

thats not part of the eqaution tho u also have to add to the fact that is has more games and different generes people didnt buy it just because it has the most superior system because X box power wise outproform all and thats all the fact they have 8 gig discs lol

**kevindenoyette** · 08-31-2004, 11:19 PM

first off, learn proper english or just shut up. reading your posts is very,very difficult.

X-box has a smaller games library than ps2. So, again, WHAT is your point?

**brownbeaner2** · 08-31-2004, 11:27 PM

well i havent really seen any a good RPG's for XBOX. Shooters is mostly what XBOX has. like i said i have no beef with XBOX its a good console just not good enough seeing that the sales of the ps2 are around about 3/4 more consoles then XBOX has out in the market. about "Dark sector" this is just one way so they can advertise their game saying that there game will be on the Next-Gen.
but just think about this if Sony can get the power of there home console on a handheld well you know that this isnt going to be childsplay sony is looking to shut down M$ as well they say Bill gates is a smart man so im pretty sure that he will realize at one point that he's been loosing money since the release of XBOX.

**Domination** · 08-31-2004, 11:31 PM

I have got to add that this is one of the funniest threads in a long time.

Good stuff,people....very good stuff.

**brownbeaner2** · 08-31-2004, 11:33 PM

at least you realize that this thread shoud be locked.

**XgustaX** · 08-31-2004, 11:34 PM

thats why it sold more? lol Sony said at their E3 Confrence they believe their selling point is because more games to appeal to people that is the top reason why PS2 sold so much. And saying X box should have prepared more or something like w/e that is not the point the point. The pont is it still outproforms no matter u like it or not. Maybe not by much but it still does ,but think about this way everyone here seems to agree the PS2 "equal". DO u really think Sony's competetion will allow sony to outproform them humm no? they spend millions and millions devloping for these consoles so they do not want to be the worse this just proves my point even more tho innvation will be the key to winning the "console wars" All the companies say they will and said so when this gen was coming out and what happened they all pretty equal in graphics and so on...

**Pistolero** · 08-31-2004, 11:45 PM

I would advise you to devote some extra efforts as to make your interventions more readable. :wink:

**brownbeaner2** · 08-31-2004, 11:45 PM

and you still havent gave a good enough answer for why the Ps3 will not be worth getting.
about the Innovation well sony has much. Bluray,Cell,broadband engine, and their OpenGL development tools.

**5ysT3m cR45h3r** · 08-31-2004, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by XgustaX

As many of you proablly have seen the trailer or screenshots of "Dark Sector". A lot of us were not happy with its "next gen graphics" and its clear that making the jump to 128 to 256 will not change much of the graphics. I am personally a Sony fan but after reasearching in all the buisness of next gen consoles they really will not be that different or worth getting than lets say PS2. Now i dont mean for people to flame me or Nintendo so please dont but i watched there E3 confrence and was surpised to hear the same thing they said something like ..."todays consoles already offer a fairly realistic expression and simply beefing up graphics and sound will not make most people see a difference...we intend to change the way you play home console games" or something like that no what he said really but u get an idea. Anyways i was also finding out that next gen games will cost a lot more to make and more time to make just because of complicated this and that or w/e. Sony and Microsoft seem to take there new console with just beefing up graphics i dont think this will help very much but since ive what Nintendo speaks of is the truth I have my eye out on there new console more than on the PS3 at the moment. I dont mean for you guys to flame me because I know this is Playstation site but a lot of people seem to expect a bit to much. Basiclly i just wanted to inform u guys in what i found now be nice remember.

PS3 will murder those Dark Sector graphics. You need to wake up.

**XgustaX** · 08-31-2004, 11:53 PM

oo ya those innvations are ones everyone knows about and make the games 100 precent better to play i mean think were Sony PS2 would be without a directional pad lol analog stick... those are true better innovations people acutally realize them expect only computer nerds like us lol

The reason i say the PS3 wont be worth getting as much as lets say Revoultion because revoultion is acutally going change more than just graphics.Not only will it have great graphics but more to it as well

OPEN GL has been out for a long time my friend Video cards have had them before PS2 lol...my Old Radeon has Open GL

**RC Cola** · 09-01-2004, 12:19 AM

I really shouldn't post since it looks like this thread is going the wrong direction, but I just feel like I have to.

And saying X box should have prepared more or something like w/e that is not the point the point. The pont is it still outproforms no matter u like it or not.

I already posted that I'm pretty sure that the PS2 CPU can perform more flops than the Xbox, so that right there shows that it doesn't out perform the PS2 in that aspect. The Xbox has a lot of other things that makes it a little better graphically, although the PS2 does occasionally have a game that the Xbox can't quite improve on or can't even run the same way as the PS2 can. I believe MGS 2 and GTA are some games that show this. Basically, the PS2 can do some things much better than the Xbox can. The Xbox generally has better graphics, although, like I said, it is a little too close to the PS2 in graphics, which isn't very good considering the circumstances. However, this is gettting off-topic. I just brought it in to show that Sony's consoles have a good shot at doing better than some ATI card or a Pentium chip or whatever that's just customised for a console.

DO u really think Sony's competetion will allow sony to outproform them humm no? they spend millions and millions devloping for these consoles so they do not want to be the worse this just proves my point even more tho innvation will be the key to winning the "console wars"All the companies say they will and said so when this gen was coming out and what happened they all pretty equal in graphics and so on...

Well, they may be spending millions to catch Sony, but Sony is also spending millions as well trying to stay at top. Considering the huge gap in sales this gen, they also probably have more money to spend. Then add that they specialize in hardware, unlike Nintendo and Microsoft, and then you have a good base for state-of-the-art technology when it comes to the next-gen.

I still don't understand your argument about graphics for next-gen, which should be much better with everything already mentioned. I will say that you should check out the Unreal 3.0 engine. That should be a good idea of what the minimum graphics of next-gen will be like, and they are certainly much better than anything we have now. And of course, their are CGI rendering that are beginning to look indistinguishable from real-life, and with more power, the closer graphics in games will get to that. I also believe that Sony said they were confident in playing some type of CGI scenes today in gameplay scenes for the PS3, or something like that.

However, also don't assume everything else besides graphics will remain the same in the next-gen consoles. AI, audio, and gameplay should all improve vastly with more space on games as well as the processing power that next-gen consoles will provide. Also, innovations don't have to be something hardware based. Things that were impossible to do this gen due to disc space, processing power, or whatever, can now be done with all those improving in the next-gen. For example, I would think you could say GTA is pretty innovative. Imagine what more they could do with more power. Graphics will improve, but that won't be the only thing, especially if Rockstar plans on continuing the success of the GTA series.

I will say that I am very curious about Revolution since they seem to want to do something different as opposed to just sticking more power into it. (of course, you could say that they are doing that since they have no chance of beating Sony when it comes to power...fanboy in my speaking) Whatever they end up with, it could really be something that everyone could want. Of course, it could also be a piece of crap. I will say that I am also worried about Nintendo's stance on online gaming. Last I saw, they did not care so much for it, and given the success that online gaming has had recently, this could be a huge mistake in the next-gen if they don't focus on it. The Revolution could be really cool, but if I can't play a Halo/FF online/Killzone/GT/etc type game online with some buddies, then I'd like to play that type of game on another console that does focus on online gaming.

OPEN GL has been out for a long time my friend Video cards have had them before PS2 lol...my Old Radeon has Open GL

Ok.... :?

I'm just going to say that the new type of OpenGL that Sony seems to want to work with should be similiar to XNA, basically Sony's version of it. This basically will allow developers to make their games easier than those that were made on the PS2, which was a complaint from developers.

**stanDarsh** · 09-01-2004, 12:35 AM

Hehe what a silly thread, this kinda reminds of the thread that talked about "Taping DVDs". XgustaX be honest, are you NickSCFC playing a prank on everyone? :P

**Pistolero** · 09-01-2004, 02:32 AM

yeah...I seriously doubt the fact of this guy being serious... :P

**kevindenoyette** · 09-01-2004, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by XgustaX

thats why it sold more? lol Sony said at their E3 Confrence they believe their selling point is because more games to appeal to people that is the top reason why PS2 sold so much. And saying X box should have prepared more or something like w/e that is not the point the point. The pont is it still outproforms no matter u like it or not. Maybe not by much but it still does ,but think about this way everyone here seems to agree the PS2 "equal". DO u really think Sony's competetion will allow sony to outproform them humm no? they spend millions and millions devloping for these consoles so they do not want to be the worse this just proves my point even more tho innvation will be the key to winning the "console wars" All the companies say they will and said so when this gen was coming out and what happened they all pretty equal in graphics and so on...

of course they don't want to be outperformed by sony you runt, what kind of business would want to? They will probably be outperformed any way because they're all resorting to using pc hardware (modified though) which will become obsolete in three years' time. The ps3 is all new in-house gear, cell, xdr ram, collada/open GL tools, etc.

Who cares if microsoft spent millions researching and developing? Sony already spent 5 billion dollars on ps3 development.

**SunDevil** · 09-01-2004, 03:34 AM

Good Bye

**axia777** · 09-01-2004, 06:30 AM

Why PS3 will be so worth getting. GAMES! Lots and lots and lots of games. Just like PS2 and PS1. I enjoy the games. The stuff on the inside just runs them and makes them look pretty for me. Nothing else. Games. Like PONG, when it was just little dots and crap. But people played for hours, cause it was fun. Like PS2, fun and tons of it. Betch all that the next generation GTA come out first on PS3, even if XBN is first out of the starting gates. :P PS3 will equal tons of FUN, again, like PS2. Sounds redundant, but to be honest, games are what this is all about......that and f*ck loads o cash! :shock:

**threepac3** · 09-01-2004, 07:21 AM

Am i the only one thats realizes that this guy is an "ignorant bastard". Spitting out stupid dribble, that sounds like utter nonsence.

Nintendo well be using XNA? Where prey tell did this info come from?

Open GL is older then Direct X? U do realize that Open GL is upgraded just like Direct X, i really hope u realize that.

"lol Sony said at their E3 Confrence they believe their selling point is because more games to appeal to people that is the top reason why PS2 sold so much." , and ur point would be?

"how can X box be 32 bit system if its the most powerful system out on the market?", becuase when it come down to it really is not necessary to have one big 128 bit cpu.

"Sony had a a disadanage because they could have signed on with the leader in graphics today ATI", hmm explaine to me why SOny would be better off with GPU that supports a set number of features when Sony can develope one that can be programmed to support new and old features?

"thats not part of the eqaution tho u also have to add to the fact that is has more games and different generes people didnt buy it just because it has the most superior system...", What do u base this on?

BTW XgustaX u can't possibly be a seriuse poster becuase u can't possibly be that stupid to try explain something u obviousely know nothing about.

**games_ fan** · 09-01-2004, 11:06 AM

XgustaX sounds like deadmeat only going on about nintendo instead of m$

And if you like nintendo so much why not go on a nintendo forum intead of a playstion one :roll:

**Domination** · 09-01-2004, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by SunDevil

Just a second to interrupt. You do know that OpenGL is an API like DirectX, yes? And you do know that the spec of that software and what it makes privisions for changes, right?

Not too much this fella has said over the last three pages had made too much sense to be honest. Biggest tip-off so far has been argument over bit depth = image quality level... It makes no sense.

Later

Iridius Dio

That's why I didn't bother.

I think he's doing that on purpose.