Xbox 2 = Dreamcast, PlayStation 3 = PS2.

[clc1986]

what happened with the Dreamcast i can see happening with the Xbox 2. Xbox 2 is going to out before PS3 and when the PS3 does come out its going to steal all Xbox 2's fame. that nearly happened with the PS2 but PS2 was to strong to beat, to prove this do you remeber when there were rumors going around that Sony were to release PS3 the year after the Xbox, i know it was just a rumor butyou get the idea...

I dont see N5 (Revolution) being a competition. I see N5 just doing its thing, not really bothered about the console war.

All bets on PlayStation 3 to win the next console war...

[Gegenki]

the dreamcast wasnt too popular. Some of my friends are thinking of getting the xbox2 because they already have the xbox, none of them are switching to PS.

Also one of my friends is changing to xbox because its out so long before PS3. I'm not sure xbox 2 is just gonna fade away

[julps31]

Yeah I feel that the x-box will have an advantage being released first just like the PS2. The Saturn wasn't a huge success so its only natural that its succesor wouldn't be that famous and hyped. So I feel the x-box will sell well just like the PS3 and the rivalry will continue.

[Deadmeat]

Bad analogy.

Dreamcast died not because of its own flaw, but because of depleted cash reserve of Sega.

On the other hand, we are looking at Microsoft which is able to give back $75 billion to its shareholders and still have tens of billions left over. For them, $1 billion/year loss on Xbox is nothing. MS will lose close to $7 billion over the life-span of Xbox1/2. Yet it is a mission accomplished if "MS takes Sony" as predicted by Ballmer.

On the other hand, SCEI has to resort to bond issuing to raise the cash needed for its fabs... There is no way SCEI can last against MS for 10 years. MS can afford to lose billions and still walk away a winner, SCEI can't...

The whole Japanese console industry never faced an enemy as formidable and vicious as Microsoft..... This is why the Xbox domination is a matter of not if but when...

[Swordmaster Jehuty]

Yeah, but that's only because M$ exploits us with their Windows. The common household that just buys a brand pc such as HP, Packard Bell or Dell also have to pay for the installed Windows OS, it's included in the price. There are more common households then those with a "computer wizz-kid".

[Ress Cor]

I predict most people, in the 20's and up age bracket will own 2 consoles, X-Box Next and PS3. Will X-Box Next be good? Probably, although I will most likely have a PC by that time that beats X-Box Next into the ground, so really it is not worth my time to own an X-Box Next.

PS2 was a joke, much like the original PSOne, PS2 was almost an experiment with little competition, now Sony has to deal with Microsoft! PS3 will be no joke, it will have power to boot, games better then ever before, and most likely include features that will make X-Box Next dated (remember, Sony will have a year to see what the X-Box Next has on it, and then will counter it)

Sony is not messing around this time, this is war for them.

[kevindenoyette]

That's bullshit though. Microsoft won't keep on developing consoles if they just keep on losing money in the business. their aim isn't to lose 20 billion dollars, they want to make money, doesn't really matter where or how. If their next x box's sales get dwarfed by the ps3's, they probably won't release a third console.

[Kevyn Grams]

I don`t know why you guys are so sure of the NX coming out before the PS3 for. If you have been paying attintion to next years E3 MS is the only one of the big three that have not yet annonced that there system will be there. Both Sony and the big N have already announced their systems will be there, plus Sony has aslo hinted at info on the PS3 at the Tokyo Game convetion this september. So lets not jump the gun and say the Xbox next is going the be first out of the gates.

[games_ fan]

They might have not anounced the Xenon will be at next years e3 but I think they have said that it will be out in 2005.

[Gegenki]

That's bullshit though. Microsoft won't keep on developing consoles if they just keep on losing money in the business. their aim isn't to lose 20 billion dollars, they want to make money, doesn't really matter where or how. If their next x box's sales get dwarfed by the ps3's, they probably won't release a third console.

He's right you know. At the beginning of the Xbox project, they would have said:

Xbox is designed to make (making up this figure) $1bill in the finacial year.
The Xbox budget is $3Bill
With a $1Bill overdraft.

If the overdraft limit is broken,
Or the xbox does not meet the minimum amount specified per year
the Xbox project will be shut down

[Gegenki]

Yeah, but that's only because M$ exploits us with their Windows. The common household that just buys a brand pc such as HP, Packard Bell or Dell also have to pay for the installed Windows OS, it's included in the price. There are more common households then those with a "computer wizz-kid".

It's true but thats because Windows is the most:

well known
well advertised
anthetically pleasing (good to look at)
easy to use.

I got linux and windows on my system. What do you think I'm using right now? Windows is so much easier.

LINUX
Download the drivers for this device.
----wiating for it to download......
Goto website.

To install this type in this command
install rpm-linuxatiradeon3.7.2.rpm
Make sure you are root.
Put in this command to come out of grpahical mode !£%!£$£$
Put in this command to configure. $%^"%^
Follow the instructions. If there is an error use these commands to return
£^%"£$^$&£!
"£^"£$^"%^$
"£$%"£$^$%£"




WINDOWS

I get a new graphics card, slap it in, turn on the computer. Install it -
on the cd it says

ATI RADEON 9600 DRIVERS

install, follow step by step instructions. (in other words keep pressing next)
RESTART

DONE!

(and in the unlikely event of an error)
you press F8 on start up and press start using last known good configurations

[Deadmeat]

That's bullshit though. Microsoft won't keep on developing consoles if they just keep on losing money in the business.

Never heard of Netscape and AOL??? MS poured billions into IE and MSN even though they haven't made a dime from it. Why? Because eliminating competition can be profitable in the long run and secures MS's platform dominance. Eliminating competition is what MS does best, and they have a track record to prove they could.

their aim isn't to lose 20 billion dollars, they want to make money

No, the goal of Xbox is to eliminate any potential candidate to a rival operating system/platform.

Since SCEI has been pushing PSX2 as the home server platform, it has been marked for elimination by Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer.

If their next x box's sales get dwarfed by the ps3's, they probably won't release a third console.

MS will slow down its console release only after all its competition has been eliminated.

[imported_The_One]

That's bullshit though. Microsoft won't keep on developing consoles if they just keep on losing money in the business. their aim isn't to lose 20 billion dollars, they want to make money, doesn't really matter where or how. If their next x box's sales get dwarfed by the ps3's, they probably won't release a third console.

M$ looks for the "short term loss, long term gain" scenario. They don't care if they lose 10Billion, as long as Sony is gone, they can earn all the money they ever want with no competition, Big N will not be a competition if they actually manage to take down Sony.
What you said about the their aim is correct, they're AIM isn't to lose money, but they CAN sustain loss.

Sony is not messing around this time, this is war for them.

Nicely said Ress Cor.

On the other hand, SCEI has to resort to bond issuing to raise the cash needed for its fabs... There is no way SCEI can last against MS for 10 years. MS can afford to lose billions and still walk away a winner, SCEI can't...

That's the thing... M$ can't last 10 years against Sony. Sony won't lose any money and they WILL walk away the winner once M$ gives up... It's just a matter of time before M$ realizes it's own flaws and change battle tactics, but by then, it may already be too late for them.
They've already tried releaseing later then PS2, which obviously did not work. Now they're trying to release before PS3, will it work? Who knows, it's anyone's guess. If it doesn't work, then M$ is out of ideas, except one last gambit: Releasing at the same time and hope that Billy Goats holds the bigger poker hand.
So you see, M$ CAN sustain loss, but loss will be meaning less unless they complete their objective. Ever played games which puts you in the same scenario? I'm sure you have, so I'm sure you get the idea.

PS2 was a joke, much like the original PSOne, PS2 was almost an experiment with little competition, now Sony has to deal with Microsoft!

Exactly, Sony aren't idoits. They who they're dealing with, and they know what to do. The same applies to M$, so it's more or less on the console's game now.
If one console outsells the other like what we've seen this gen, then say "bye-bye" to the loser of the battle. I believe the War won't end if M$ or Sony loses, I'm sure both of them would come back for another round even if they lose this current round. Remember, Sony and M$ doesn't RELY on the console market, unlike Big N. Sony is one of the biggest electronic distributers, and M$ is THE biggest OS producer. So none of the two corporations are a joke.
@Deadmeat: You seem to have forgotten, Sony IS a multi-BILLION dollar company also, not a mere multi-million dollar company. On top of that, they OWN MGM, Columbia Tristar, and some other entertainment related junks.
They can simply sell franchise license if they run low on money. The reason why they're not selling franchise license is to obtain exclusive games for the PS3, such as James Bond (you'd be surprised at the amount of James Bond game fans out there.... It's figure is so huge that it's utterly disturbing :?).
Now, this takes us to another point, games.
People buys the console for the games (usually), not necessarily the specs. Simply because the "Average Joe" doesn't know too much about console specs, but more about the games. With both Xenon and PS3 both being powerful (not equally, just like how XBox was more powerful then PS2, but both of them were powerful console in its own rights), the games featured on the consoles will ultimately decide the console's fate. Generally speaking, the more games, the better; but it's also no good to have loads of crap. So both corporations are currently seeking out to gain exclusive rights to "future Greatest Hits". Or at least developers who has produced a Greatest Hits game before.
It seems like Sony has got a powerful ally this round: Guerrila (Sorry, can't spell their name).
While M$ might also get a powerful ally to boost their Japanese sales: Square Enix.
While nothing is confirmed, sources are pointing towards that Square Enix WILL go multi-platform, which is good for them and also for M$... Not too great for Sony, who previously had all FF7+ series developed on their console.

Judging from the facts, it's hard to say whether M$'s "release first" strategy will work or not. But one thing is for sure, it'll be one intense battle this up coming round...

[kevindenoyette]

That's just false information, and you know it. The chances that microsoft will ever eliminate competition in the console market like Sony and Nintendo are very, very slim. We all know this, and so do they.


Your netscape/aol analogy is just wrong because microsoft dominate that market. they have the most used OS and internet browser.

Microsoft didn't enter the console market with the aim of reigning it in a few years, that's ludicrious. They just wanted a piece of the console pie, and so far, they got about a crumb. They might get a slice, but never the entire cake....erm...yeah.


EDIT: this was posted before i saw your post, The_one, so it's directed at deadmeat, not you.

[Gegenki]

That's just false information, and you know it. The chances that microsoft will ever eliminate competition in the console market like Sony and Nintendo are very, very slim. We all know this, and so do they.


Your netscape/aol analogy is just wrong because microsoft dominate that market. they have the most used OS and internet browser.

Microsoft didn't enter the console market with the aim of reigning it in a few years, that's ludicrious. They just wanted a piece of the console pie, and so far, they got about a crumb. They might get a slice, but never the entire cake....erm...yeah.


EDIT: this was posted before i saw your post, The_one, so it's directed at deadmeat, not you.

lol, you tell em.

There is no way microsoft will be able to eliminate the competition. What will happen if they eliminate sony (which won't happen because so many people thing the Xbox is evil, and so many other people are just going for the more powerful system),
they gonna change their strategy to aim at the younger audience so they can get rid of nintendo too???


And anyway, if sony did go under, i bet there would be a huge riot, hehe

[Deadmeat]

Bill Gate's Kill List

1. WordPerfect
2. Lotus 1-2-3
3. IBM OS/2
4. Novell Netware
5. Netscape
6. Palm
7. Playstation 3

[imported_The_One]

Bill Gate's Kill List

1. WordPerfect
2. Lotus 1-2-3
3. IBM OS/2
4. Novell Netware
5. Netscape
6. Palm
7. Playstation 3

You missed one: Open Office . It has the capabilities of office, but it's open source... How nice .
Oh, that reminds me, it's also trying to kill Linux. Man, if you subscribe to business magazines such as Business Week, you'd see LOADS of anti-Linux ads posted by Microsoft... It's crazy. Although half the time, the magazine has articles on Linux, so the ad is basically in vain :P.

[NickSCFC]

I hope that Xbox Next outsells PlayStation 3 and Sony go out of business.

[Illmatic]

Really the only reason the xbox sold,was because it was the most powerfull console,the majority of people that buy consoles,aren't that clued up on them,they would of heard through word of mouth or from retailers that it was more powerful than the PS2,Therfore those people would have come to the conclusion that it is the best,

The average consumer wants power,When PS2 was released everyone had a reason to buy one,PSone was good and had great games and naturally the PS2 would too,and it was the most powerfull console (for a short time),when the Xbox was released no one had a reason to buy it,no console background,no killer app franchises,so why would people by an Xbox,because it's got more grunt.This time round the roles are reversed but Sony already has a much larger fan base than Xbox,but now Xbox has a fanbase,and Sony will have the most powerful console,great games and everyones friend will have one and realise this and then bling,bling $$$$PS3$$$$,$$$$PS4$$$$.
PS3 is gonna rip away the only thing xbox had going for them.[/b]

[imported_The_One]

I hope that Xbox Next outsells PlayStation 3 and Sony go out of business.

Of course, that's what Ballmer wants too.
Personally, I couldn't care less who'd dominant. But competition is good, without it, people go lazy. So if M$ reigned supreme like they are in the OS market, they'll start slipping and producing crap consoles, just like their crap OS, Windows.... One reason why my Sig makes sense...