PS3 12x more power, any spec speculations

**shaudeus** · 01-30-2004, 02:46 AM

If the goal of Ps3, which most probably is overhyped is 12 times the power of ps2 and the emotion engine im just wondering what people think would be the specs if they were able to achive this, assuming the cell would truly reach 1 tflop/sec?

**SevenDesigns** · 01-30-2004, 03:22 AM

Hopefully they can pull it off. I'm tired of all these Xbox fanboys putting down the PS2.

If they can do this, i'll be happy. But wasn't the number a bit higher? Either way, this is great news if they actually do it.

Peace

**psychogenicscc** · 01-30-2004, 04:50 AM

I predict that it will be alot more than 12x since the original specs called for 1000x the performance of PS2.

**RichardCypher101** · 01-30-2004, 04:53 AM

Thats 1000X the performance of its current Processor. That is NOT overall performance.

-Rich

**Paul** · 01-30-2004, 04:50 PM

Thats 1000X the performance of its current Processor. That is NOT overall performance.

This is wrong. It's total performance of the Playstation 3 over the PS2. That being said, don't expect Broadband Engine at 50Ghz, or shit like that. You don't times everything by 1000, it all adds up. For Example, BE could very well be 400 times the overall power of EE by itself. The rest will add in.

**gaming ultima** · 01-30-2004, 05:11 PM

i expect the cpu to be roughly 200x (if u do the math u will work out why)
and the XDR it says in the ps3i faq it will be over 100GB/s and even if thts wrong and its only say 50GB/s thts a dam lot
the gpu will prob be a graphical version of cell so it will be very very powerful (visualiser anybody?) as for the rest it is only speculation
anyways there is no 1 distinct way of saying how many x for performance of the ps3 is from the ps2, u just carnt look at overall system performance u got to look at individual bits
and paul i dont know if u know but the clock speed isnt a measurment of processing power
if u didnt know theb follow this link

http://www.playstation3insider.com/f...opic.php?t=196

**Omega Blue** · 01-30-2004, 07:50 PM

Sony showed a chart and i think the Memory that sony is gonna use transfers at around 23 GB/s, i have no idea where you got 100 or even 50 GB/s but thats false. and Shadues you bias poll prevents me from voting, but the Ps3 will be at least 12x more powerful, just depending on what aspect even over all of what your comparing. but like i said both options are biased, in one option your sayin Sony will Fail and in the other your sayin the same thing but in diffrent context.

**ainsley** · 01-30-2004, 08:16 PM

Ken Kutaragi said SONY are aiming for 1000x the power of ps2. I think he meant the overall power, maybe the raw(no special effects) polygon count per second(pps). When the specification for the nxt generation Playstation they always use this for calculating its performance. But i dont i think its intirely accurate, because its real time pps (all special effects ON, basically wot u and i see) could be weak compared to its raw polygon performance. Nintendo decided to publish performance specs using real time pps and they probly done that because the gcs real time pps performance might have more impressive than its raw pps performance. I think all three next gen console companys should release performance figure using real time and raw pps figures, then again they could just lie out of there arses. Its a shame there are no benchmarking tools (eg. 3dmark PC) for consoles then we'd really have a better idea.

Anyway wots the raw pps of the ps2? I think its something like 38,0000. So times that by 1000x = 3800000000...Hoooly shit.

By the way the vote is stupid, theres no choice for saying the ps3 will be MORE than 12x the power of of PS2. I think the poll should be changed from being biased.

**RichardCypher101** · 01-30-2004, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

Thats 1000X the performance of its current Processor. That is NOT overall performance.

This is wrong. It's total performance of the Playstation 3 over the PS2. That being said, don't expect Broadband Engine at 50Ghz, or shit like that. You don't times everything by 1000, it all adds up. For Example, BE could very well be 400 times the overall power of EE by itself. The rest will add in.

There is no current evidence stating that the system as a whole is 1000x more powerful. Sorry my friend, you labeled me wrong, when you have no evidence to back up your accusations. The only real piece of hardware we have to work with is the "Cell".

-Rich

**Omega Blue** · 01-30-2004, 08:26 PM

the Cell will be 200x (if reaching its 1000GFLOPS mark) more powerful then the EE. and power estimation is not culimative.

**ainsley** · 01-30-2004, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Omega Blue

the Cell will be 200x (if reaching its 1000GFLOPS mark) more powerful then the EE. and power estimation is not culimative.

wots EE?

**Omega Blue** · 01-30-2004, 08:39 PM

the Ps2's Processor named The Emotion Engine.

**gaming ultima** · 01-30-2004, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Omega Blue

Sony showed a chart and i think the Memory that sony is gonna use transfers at around 23 GB/s, i have no idea where you got 100 or even 50 GB/s but thats false. and Shadues you bias poll prevents me from voting, but the Ps3 will be at least 12x more powerful, just depending on what aspect even over all of what your comparing. but like i said both options are biased, in one option your sayin Sony will Fail and in the other your sayin the same thing but in diffrent context.

i got it from here http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.ph...ware+Questions
if ya wanna know why scott i think it was said tht ask him (but he wont replie to a pm or e-mail) and i trust him on tht 1 tht he isnt talking bullshit because tht guy knows wot he is talking about mainly when it comes to networking but anyways

**Althalus** · 01-31-2004, 12:41 AM

4ghz cpu sounds pretty darn meaty. I don't think these spacs will be what the have in the final design. I would say 3ghz at the most.

**Paul** · 01-31-2004, 12:59 AM

There is no current evidence stating that the system as a whole is 1000x more powerful. Sorry my friend, you labeled me wrong, when you have no evidence to back up your accusations. The only real piece of hardware we have to work with is the "Cell".

I never said PS3 was 1000X that of PS2, it doesn't exist yet! However, this is the goal as stated by Okamoto at GDC 2002.

**shaudeus** · 01-31-2004, 02:11 AM

i originally did place the poll with 3 options, but once subitted the third didnt show- i dont think there is a way to correct the poll is there?

**Scott R. Mraz** · 01-31-2004, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by shaudeus

i originally did place the poll with 3 options, but once subitted the third didnt show- i dont think there is a way to correct the poll is there?

Yes, there is, simply edit your orginal post and you can edit the poll as well.

**SunDevil** · 01-31-2004, 03:11 AM

Good Bye

**Omega Blue** · 01-31-2004, 03:17 AM

that video memory, BIG DIFFRENCE between main memory and video memory. this is a pet peeve of mine that i have to clear up when someone confuses Main Memory and VRAM.

**gaming ultima** · 01-31-2004, 02:48 PM

all i was stating is wot has been put on the ps3i hardware faq bit
this isnt my fight so im backing out
scott or which ever 1 or u wrote tht at least hav the decency to get involved here and back up wot u wrote