Official Nintendo Conference Thread

[masteratt]

I remember PSP being used as rear mirror window on GT5, what happened with that. They didn't even follow through.

Way I see it, first MOVE, and now this. Sony took Wii and made it "Sony" by making a super accurate version of it to get some of that Wii money, then they pretty much just abandoned the thing. So far what we've seen of VITA <-> PS3 play is gimmicky to say the least and I don't expect it to get any better. Being "ME TOO!" for the sake of it is to me pathetic and BORING.

Innovation was the wrong word maybe or rather it's got many implied meanings but the fact they took motion game to the forefront like they did along with dual screen and now putting them both together in a way, is rethinking and re-imagining gaming more than the other two companies.


Now it is important to add, I don't think being new and different automatically makes you the best. I am just saying, if the other two was willing to push as many different ideas (note I said 'push', not 'create') as Nintendo is, we might have been in some more interesting places.

So for better or worse, I am a supporter of Nintendo's philosophy. As I am with Sony's when they are taking risks on the software side. Hell my favourite game this gen still is Heavy Rain and that was seen as a "risky" move. More risks, more different ideas pushed, the better. And no-one does things more differently than Nintendo, and again, doesn't automatically means they are good, but the attitude is and their conviction and belief behind what they are pushing.

[OmniStalgic]

You know I just want Nintendo to succeed because if all three of the companies were as inventive as them, this industry would be a more exciting place.

You know what's pathetic? Gimmicky VITA controls on PS3 and Smartglass.


Nintendo innovates, MS and Sony follows.

Smartglass is a direct shot at Nintendo, so is MS avatars, Kinect stuff, etc...I'm sure Sony went into R&D with Move stuff before Nintendo released Wii, (EyeToy?) and once they saw it was successful, they did the usual Dual Shock thing, "let's do that, but lets do it better". But this notion of Nintendo innovates while the other 2 copies is absurd. Just because they come out with new peripherals and psychical designs don't mean they are the innovators of the industry.

Why does Nintendo now have a combined Nintendo network? Why do most consoles play movies and have expanded into media machines which a lot of people like? Why is online and connectivity software so important? Why are graphical upgrades every generation expected to be enormous and blow us away? Why did mature themed games even become popular? What console manufacture really pushed for that typed of content? And innovation should only be applauded with hardware ideas? For the past almost 3 years PSN has been kicking arse with innovative, awesome original titles that IMO stand above anything on XBLA and Wii-store.

Not even taking anything away from Nintendo, but that is just a silly statement. They are the ones that come up with hardware and cool ideas a lot, but this industry is hardly driven by them, where the other two companies have to follow. Vita debuted last year remember? Why is anything they do with X-platform play now gimmicky and not just a cool idea? They are literally selling two pieces of software and giving incentives for gamers to get both, completely different from what Wii-U is doing.

It's easy to say everyone should adopt Nintendo's philosophy...When the make stuff always selling at a profit, they have an enormous amount of room for being creative. When was the last time any of Nintendo's ideas graduated into some must-have software title you needed to experience? I can say for myself personally there's not a whole lot of that this generation. Sure, everyone could be more original, but money hinders that more than anything I believe, and I see a dedication to gamers from both Sony and Nintendo, just in different avenues, which I think is fine for the industry. MS seems to be the company really just focused on success.

My point of the rant is, I applaud Nintendo for being original and trying different things, but as you said, it doesn't mean there are the best. And I think they seriously need to figure out how to transform those new ideas into actual game experiences for people that's been playing games. Not just getting back my mother and grandfather who haven't touched a controller since Duck hunt...If Sony is doing "me too" with Vita stuff (which I don't agree with) and Move, then Nintendo is doing "me too" with Nintendo Network and that Xbox 360 clone of a controller. Everyone copies, the real question is, who just makes the best games? In the game industry I think that's the bottom line, and as of now, depending on your preference, all 3 are pretty close in that area.

Edit: I see up top you said Innovation was the wrong word, and I agree, it implies that Nintendo is doing something most things first and excellent while the others are stealing and repackaging. Creative might have been a better word perhaps. Or even bold. Sony has had similar R*D tech for a "Wii-mote" like interface, but would move have released without Wii? Probably not. The way they take chances and green light new ideas in software titles should easily come down to some of there hardware designs as well. For example the boomerang. People hated it, but the logic behind it was cool in that it contoured to the shape of your hand better. If it was truly more comfortable, why not ignore the fans online and try it on the market for a year.

[GTAce]

I remember PSP being used as rear mirror window on GT5, what happened with that. They didn't even follow through.

It was only F1:CE, dunno why everyone remembers it being used in a Gran Turismo.

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Way I see it, first MOVE, and now this. Sony took Wii and made it "Sony" by making a super accurate version of it to get some of that Wii money, then they pretty much just abandoned the thing. So far what we've seen of VITA <-> PS3 play is gimmicky to say the least and I don't expect it to get any better. Being "ME TOO!" for the sake of it is to me pathetic and BORING.

The first prototype of the Move controller system was shown in 2000 or 2001, way before the Wii.
Can't believe people are still on this "Sony copies Nintendo" trip, they never did.

[AC!D]

Only Nintendo have the balls to release a next gen console and show off a freaking 2D game as its flagship launch title.

I wish they would innovate in Software as much as they do in hardware. Thats all im going to say.

[Segitz]

Well... they only get away with it, because it's Mario...

[AC!D]

Well they didnt get away with it. Their share price dropped three times since E3.

[Segitz]

But (from what I read) not as badly as when Wii was announced.

[AC!D]

Wii launched with Zelda and forced exclusivity by being different. This console is hitting the market against two similar and cheaper competitors already with massive catalogues. They need to build second party relationships and spend cash on exclusivity. They failed to do this at E3. Hell havent you heard? Even Zombie U is a timed exclusive.

[Segitz]

Oh, I've heard that... not that I really care (yet) about ZombiU (still... worst name EVER). Thing is... for me, it's hard to care for Nintendo at all. I mean, their games don't cater to me at all. There's no equivalent to Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid or Gran Turismo over there. And two of those will never make it there, either. Those exclusives are the only reason I still have a console and use it. The rest is "PC only" for me. I know that Zelda and Mario are great games. And they deserve their sales, at least to a degree. But this desinterest clouds my judgment. Your reasons (PS3 and 360 already established with massive catalogues and lower price) will probably be the tipping point. I can't see a tablet addon being the killer app that makes WiiU sell. I really can't. Especially by late next year, when PS4 and 720 come to market and are 10 times as fast as PS360. It'll be Wii graphics all over again, but not as bad. Think about it... take away the tablet and you gain at least 50€ additional BOM to include into your GPU or CPU. Plus the supposed subsidy by Sony or MS, which Nintendo is less likely to give.

[AC!D]

The funny thing is that i see Wii U extending the life of 360 and PS3 well into next gen. Wii U games should be easy enough to port maybe with small downgrades. Hell PS3 and 360 might even hold back Wii U development from third parties.

Nintendo really need new software that caters to all.

[Gribble-Grunger]

this is a first for the games industry! Sony follow by releasing a year before!!

for those of us that repeated said that the WiiU is already released with the Vita/PS3 combo, i say well done, it appears that Sony got wind of us and made it happen over night.