PS4 Rumours / News of the day thread

[D3adcell]

How I saw the idea was in a very simple way. I'm not talking about regularly upgrading the motherboard, I'm talking about using the 'build' of the new PS3 model as the base for the PS4 too. So you would buy the new model, which comes with a self contained motherboard that slips into a slot similarly to the HDD, and then at a later date you would have two choices: If you have the older PS3 models you would simply buy the PS4 (which would be the new build of the PS3 with PS4 tech inside). If you already have the new build you would buy the new motherboard for a fraction of what it would cost for the whole console and then just replace the PS3 with the PS4. Same box, next gen tech.



What could happen is that you would still be able to play Uncharted 4 on the PS3 through Gaikai, but you would have to pay a subscription fee to use the service. Or you could upgrade to the PS4 if you wished. Remember this is ALL speculation and is just something I would consider as a company.



It isn't that complicated. You would just be buying a PS3 with the ability to upgrade to a PS4. the bridge between the two would be Gaikai. Have a PS3 (stream PS4 games through Gaikai), have a PS4 (stream PS3 games through Gaikai)

To change the motherboard would mean to change every component. The processor, the RAM, videocard (as keeping the current one and just upgrading the motherboard is going to mean fuck all). The only thing that would be 'kept' from the previous system would be the blu ray drive (which lets be honest wear and tear from using on two console generations, isn't going to hold up well). All the USB ports and everything else are all mounted to the motherboard anyway so you wouldn't be keeping any of them.

The only thing you would be keeping is the case and maybe the powersupply/cable. Which why would Sony than give people the option to fuck it up in order to save the customer a measly 15-20$?

[Gribble-Grunger]

I take your points, Deadcell. Like I said I'm largely ignorant of the problems the idea might cause.

I'm posting this for new information and not to further my 'what if'. Like I said, if that IS 16GB of flash memory, it will likely be aimed at the casual market with bundles such as Okami and Wonderbook.

PS3-4000 skips gamescom, 16Gb Flash SKU goes cheap

A VG247 source has claimed that Sony will not announce PS3-4000 at its gamescom press conference on August 14.

PS3-4000, the latest, slimmest version of Sony’s current console, will not be announced at the main Sony gamescom press conference on August 14, VG247 has been told.

A gamescom reveal had been planned, but stock levels of the current build are said to be too high for Sony to move onto what is probably the last take on PS3 before PlayStation 4 is announced next year.

In addition, a source today said that the rumoured 16Gb version of PS3-4000 is in fact real, and is based on Flash memory. There was some confusion surrounding the figure, which originated from Anatel, the Brazilian Agency of Telecommunications, with many assuming it was intended to read 160Gb.

The new model will stack up against Microsoft’s 4Gb Flash-based Xbox 360. As the 16Gb PS3-4000 will have a flip-lid disc input and low-capacity storage, we’ve been told today that the announcement “may” be accompanied by a huge price cut, with the entry version potentially dropping as low as £99. Specifics are yet to be ironed out, though.

In addition to the 16Gb version, 250GB and 500GB options have been rumoured.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/23/ps3-...ku-goes-cheap/

[D3adcell]

I take your points, Deadcell. Like I said I'm largely ignorant of the problems the idea might cause.

I'm posting this for new information and not to further my 'what if'. Like I said, if that IS 16GB of flash memory, it will likely be aimed at the casual market with bundles such as Okami and Wonderbook.



http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/23/ps3-...ku-goes-cheap/

Well they could always sell an 'upgrade kit' including a hdd and instructions.

[masteratt]

Gribble, YouTube search how to change motherboard on PC. And that is the "simple" version. This is what the inside of a PS3 looks like:



See how everything is nicely covered and secured with no access to anything. Yeah, that's because Sony doesn't want you to go in and mess with their engineering 'genius'.
And motherboards are fragile things, you can easily mess with any part.

I threw you a bone and asked what you were thinking with the idea but in reality, it's literally impossible and it will never happen. And yes I can stand behind words like 'never' and 'impossible'. The only maybe is, and it is a huge maybe, 30 years down the line computers get so simplified we can switch everything as simple as plugging a USB but until it's literally at that stage, Sony won't be asking it's millions of fans, 80% of whom probably don't even know you can open machines to do DIY on their console. Which have very complicated designs and are no where near as simple as 'different parts in a box' like PCs are.

So that's why everyone here is not for discussing that idea much further, because it is literally impossible and never in a million years will Sony every think to do that. Hell you can't unscrew couple of screws without voiding your warranty.

Not to mention in your scenario Sony has gone from selling a brand new experience at $400 to a computer part dealer and excluded a huge number of fans and probably made most developers angry. In a world whee developers strive for portability, you give them a console that has "upgradable motherboards" and see how many seconds it takes before they chop your head off

[Gribble-Grunger]

Well I know it wasn't going to be an easy solution whilst things are the way they are. I was envisaging a plug in box that had everything inside. rather like a HDD but with all the necessary tech in one easy to replace box. That's largely why I say I'm ignorant of things like this and asked whether it would be possible. To see the PS3 displayed like that it does look like something a beginner like myself would find daunting and almost impossible. But what if Sony have developed it to be simple? Again, this is ONLY speculation and what I consider an interesting idea

[Viper]

But what if Sony have developed it to be simple? Again, this is ONLY speculation and what I consider an interesting idea

You have 2 routes you can go with this:

1) Extremely low end. We're talking even lower than Wii. I've taken Wii's apart and they are pretty damn complex despite their older technology and spec ratings.

2) Very large case. You'd need lots of room to handle the removal and insertion of a full sized motherboard plus cooling solution.


But you still run into a problem and that is that the motherboard and cooling solution must be designed in parallel. If the cooling solution were not to be upgraded from the original casing, then the design of the motherboard and the wattage of all the components would be limited to that cooling solution. Same with the power supply.
If the cooling solution and the power supply were included in the new motherboard then you've done nothing but reused the same case and there's not much benefit to that.

Also note that the back of the case is usually shaped very specific with cutouts for power, A/V, USB, etc... A new motherboard would then be limited to that same configuration. No new USB ports than before, no new A/V options, etc...

I understand your desire to try something new but a console was not designed with those PC style concepts in mind. In fact, they were designed to be the opposite. The intricacies involved with enabling PC style changes nullify the benefits gained by being a closed system console.

If that's the direction you are wanting to go in, then you may as well develop nothing but a Sony branded GPU for the PC and call it the PS4.

[Gribble-Grunger]

LOL... Okay, I'm convinced (for now). It'll have to be Gaikai all the way then

[KRA]

that was exciting...
not boring at all.

[Gribble-Grunger]

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

[KRA]

[Smokey]

TBH ive never got the arse shaking thing? has never done anything for me lol

[Gribble-Grunger]

no because you have to be an Arse to understand it

[frosty]

Ugh... the horrific style of "music" known as "New Orleans Bounce"... Take one gay black guy, have him say 1 phrase into a mic, chop it up and repeat it 7000 times over the most annoying beat you can possibly come up with, and you have yourself a bounce song.



One of the worst things to ever come from my part of the world.


Anyway, PlayStation 4!!!!!

[Viper]

Damnit guys....you're making Rebecca Black and Justin Beiber sound good. Stop that.


PlayStation 4.

[Smokey]

wheres that pic of saddam, osama & beiber when i need it lol

found it

[TimmyJ]

Gribble, quoting that poem might have been legitimate if, just a few posts earlier, you hadn't lost your head while those around you were keeping theirs.

As for PS4, how likely is it that memory would be upgradeable for system functions i.e. stick in a 512MB stick in order to use the browser at all times? Is it possible for the GPU & CPU to retain their memory's states, and use a third, custom pool of memory for tasks like a video streaming service (Lovefilm or Netflix for example)?

And how about state saves as seen in emulators? I'd love to be unbound by save points, instead being able to stop and start on a whim. The PSPGo did it, so why not a home console?

[venomv]

I wouldn't think there would be any hardware issues preventing state saves.

Upgradable RAM for non-game tasks would be doable I would think, but there needs to be a market to be worth the effort. They would probably set it up like the PS3's HDD, have a section with a panel that would need to be removed that has a port or 2 for RAM and that is the only thing you could access from there. It's likely impractical from a business standpoint though.

[Smokey]

only way i see anything upgradable for memory would be if they had flash memory on top of system memory. as these are reasons why consoles are closed systems as viper has pointed out. i just have a hard time seeing anything really 'upgradable' other than HDD as is now but im no technician lol

I understand your desire to try something new but a console was not designed with those PC style concepts in mind. In fact, they were designed to be the opposite. The intricacies involved with enabling PC style changes nullify the benefits gained by being a closed system console.

[venomv]

only way i see anything upgradable for memory would be if they had flash memory on top of system memory. as these are reasons why consoles are closed systems as viper has pointed out. i just have a hard time seeing anything really 'upgradable' other than HDD as is now but im no technician lol

I agree, but I think it is a business issue (no market) not a technical one.

[Segitz]

But... "pcs are so complicated"... yes, if you believe they are, they are. Just buy a "fast" PC and get Steam... that's all you need. And if something goes awry, don't fix it yourself, get a guy that knows this stuff... don't get him later,and tell him you didn't do anything (he'll know!)

Back in the DOS and early Windows days, this was true, though. Making games run in DOS was... HARD at times, especially if you had quirky hardware (mostly soundcards). Today? It REALLY is plug and play. Most morons today buy Macs anyways, and that's standardized hardware too... if they actually had capable hardware (and moreso capable drivers), that actually would be a viable gaming machine.

Valve, in addition to a bigger hardware maker, say DELL or Asus, should establish a standardized gaming rig lineup, with yearly updates similar to Apple. With GOOD support. And that... running on Linux. By late next year, when Steam Linux has been established, this is a real option. And bear with me. With Linuxes "capabilities", it'll be easier to support. BC might be hampered, but new games will be there day one. Make it a bit "Android-ish" so to speak.

There doesn't need to be an upgrade option at all. Consoles never really had it, and those that did, didn't make it very far (Mega CD, 32X, Jaguar CD, PC Engine CD...). If the upgrade is half as expensive as a new console, but only gives you half the performance boost, then it's not worth it. Buying new makes just as much sense AND doesn't hinder software makers. A real "cut" from one system to another is easier to stomach. Look at Microsoft and their MASSIVE backlog they have to support. Linux doesn't have that (but also is designed to allow it, as anyone can just recompile the software with the new APIs).