I'm surprised there isn't any sticky for the XBOX720 so I wished to start one because I'm very interested in the next move from microsoft and about what will be the capacities of this machine.
So now we've only got rumors , so here are some of them :
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2011/11/0...#disqus_threadMicrosoft may be keeping quiet about development of the next generation Xbox, but a couple of crucial aspects of the console have surfaced by way of reputable Microsoft leak blogger MS Nerd.
The Xbox 720, as it has become commonly referred to as, is allegedly codenamed "loop," and will be much smaller than the Xbox 360. Moreover, MS Nerd claims the system will cost less to produce in the hopes for achieving higher Kinect adoption. In addition, the console will be based on a modified version of the yet-to-be-announced Windows 9.
MS Nerd continues by stating that "It will use a Zune HD-like hardware platform—a 'main' processor with multiple dedicated assistive cores for graphics, AI, physics, sound, networking, encryption and sensors. It will be custom designed by Microsoft and two partners based on the ARM architecture."
Microsoft has yet to divulge in any information regarding their next console, although it is rumored that it will be revealed next year at E3.
The Next Xbox codenamed “Ten” and Slated for Release “Holiday 2012″ (doubtfull)
2012 isn't just doubtful, it's downright illogical. In the past decade, each and every console was shown first at E3 the year before release... i.e. if it was to release next year, it would've been shown this year. And since this didn't happen, it will not be released next year... though, there probably are exceptions to this rule... but MS being an american company, I really doubt it.
As with PS4 discussions, I think it's too early to have any speculations on the hardware, yet. But if I had to guess, the next Xbox will feature some form of Kinect 2. And probably as a standard pack in. This in turn means one of two things. One, higher launch price, or two less powerful hardware. If it is not a pack in, then the next Xbox will probably launch with a similar price configuration as the 360 did. It worked out for MS, more or less. If the 360 hadn't RROD'd so much, I guess sales could've been higher, as price shouldn't have been an issue (see PS3).
The speculations by MSNerd are, in my opinion and a lack of a better word... "mumpitz" (or humbug, if you don't speak German). The "explanation" of the CPU doesn't really make sense to me, as it describes a modern smartphone SOC. My phone has a lot of these "dedicated cores" (rather called DSPs in normal language). Though it's missing the AI and physics one. It might more likely be an Apple/GoogleTV by MS with Kinect support under the Xbox brand. Nothing to write home about. Or rather, nothing that us gamers should be interested in, if it's true, anyhow.
If I had to... choose how the consoles were designed, I'd make them distinguish themselves more from the others. It's hard to explain. Say, Sony is a lot more open with a lot of their stuff... They should make indie games, even in retail, more affordable. Just look at PC gaming. There's tons of interesting stuff out there that allows the use of the most ridiculous input devices there are.
What I am trying to say, gaming needs ... new inspiration in a lot of directions. Nintendo did VERY well in that regard, though the massively bad graphics pulled me away from the Wii very fast.
Kept you waiting
If it's backwards compatible with 360 then there's no reason for me to wait... If this report is true I doubt it is.
And if it's Kinect first core gaming second then nooooo thanks.
A BC 360 on steroids is an instata buy. It's crept from being my second favorite console to being my third favorite, but me and that box still had some good times together.
MS needs to step up there first party support before I think about buying another one of there consoles. I'm not into MW, Halo *after the original, or Gears, so what's left for me? New Kinect 2 titles? As soon as Sony's PS3 stopped sucking, I lost most of my interest in 360, Sony is not likely to blunder the first two years of there platform next-gen, so yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing Xbox720 too, need to come hard this time instead of trying to emulate the PS2 strategy and release first, gobble up 3rd party support.
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Windows 9 is bullshit. MS has already said Win9 wouldn't even have core development until 2013 anyway.
I don't see ARM cores being the foundation either. It might have some in a complementary role but not as the main CPU and GPU.
The date is just laughable.
This will be quite interesting to see as well...
Some questions that come to my mind are: Is MS going to change "totally" it's ideology with consoles and start to serve the casual crowd with a new idea or kinect style gaming with a cheap and not so powerful console packed with kinect 2 in every unit sold, or do they take a similar aproach as they did with Xbox and 360, targetting the hard core audience first and making a powerful console? When are they going to release (It depends on various things, but my guess is some time in 2013 or possibly early 2014. Perhaps they might launch not that much later than Wii U though, if they feel it would be a direct competitor to them)? Then what about storage media for the games? I would assume they can't go with DVDs anymore. Will they go with blu-ray or is that out of the question just out of principal, as in not supportting it? They can't go 100% to downloadable games just yet, so what will they choose? Any ideas?
They'll likely use either Blu-ray itself or at least blue diode based optical disc. There are several manufacturers of blue diode based optical discs. But if they want movie playback, they'll have to use Blu-ray.
Blue Ray makes sense... they should just do it like with the original Xbox and sell a remote to circumvent the licensing issue with movie playback, to save costs.
Kept you waiting
The hollidays 2012 release sounds weird I know, but knowing that XBOX will probably go to "close to" PC components, MS can developp an XBOX pretty fast. And if they really want to release a cheap console that is also something that could could accelerate the release of it.
It's not like Sony on current gen that took a long time to developp the Cell processor and Bly-ray.
Still Xmas 2012 sounds too close for me.
Jako, keep in mind the X360's Xenon processor is actually a derivative of the CELL. So it's not a close to PC part. The Xenos GPU is also as custom as the PS3's RSX.
The Xbox being a PC issue was a matter belonging to the original Xbox which was largely an off the shelf Intel Pentium III or Celeron CPU and an nVidia GeForce 3 Ti500 GPU.
probably be a xbox with kinect built in?
Whenever MS stops with this kinect b.s is when I'll start to give a damn about it.
Agree with Viper *shock*. This report is complete BS. Thing for Microsoft to do which makes most sense is...
2012/13 - Cost reduced 360 with built in Kinect
2013 - Real XBox Next, best CPU/GPU reasonable money can buy. No underpowered ARM BS.
Keep the Core gamers happy.
Let's keep this thread alive with new rumors. Actually I like this period of a gen-cycle where you can only speculate
http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/...umor-analysis/Next-generation Xbox Announcement on January 2012?
Just to be more specific, this news came from a French-based site in which its source came from “very close” individuals who are linked with the Redmonian company. The bomb? Aside from its expected partial announcement on the upcoming Consumer Electronic show happening on January 10-12, Xboxygen did confirm the new xbox will use a hexa-core type of CPU with 2GB DDR3 Memory and a prototype dual-GPU from AMD.
The interesting part here is, it’s said the company has already been working on this project ever since 2005 which was the same year when Xbox 360 had its first launch. This news is connected with last week’s report that “Loop” division will handle Xbox 720’s software parts while a division called “Infinity” will be tasked for its hardware. As reiterated by the site, MS will only reveal tidbits of the new console this CES and will tackle more about its hardware parts – a move similar with Nintendo’s Wii U announcement earlier this year.
If you’ve been following the news for Xbox’s next-gen kin, you can see there are two stories behind it. One is this console going to be announced as early as next year but will only have its shipping date by the end of 2012. Its specifications will be high-end claimed to be powered by an ARM CPU (processor commonly used for netbooks and tablets) or a six-core processor along with added support for Windows 9.
The other story was the one we heard earlier this year which claims there’ll be no Xbox hardware upgrade until we hit 2015 which is really absurd considering some game developers are already showing their opinions why the old Xbox may not be able to support their future titles soon.
As the French site hinted, in case Microsoft did really reveal any clues for Xbox’s next hardware update on CES, this will put the pressure on the side of Sony to reveal something soon for its customers. If you’ll analyze Xbox 720′s rumored specs, a six-core CPU may be more powerful than any ARM processor today. Actually, its first models are now out for desktop courtesy of Intel. However, the interesting tidbit was the one given for its GPU which will be branded by AMD along with a “dual” sauce – perhaps, its build will be an upgraded version of AMD Trinity.
Likewise, everything we have for today are still speculations and we expect there’ll be some discrepancy with the specs we’re hearing today with the unit’s actual innards when it gets a proper launch in the near future. Remember what happened to Wii 2 a.k.a Project Cafe?
Dual GPU is pointless in a console. They don't scale 100%, generate extra heat, add lots of cost and cause major development headaches.
And AMD Trinity is an APU, not a full scale GPU. Trinity is simply using a few of the cores from a full GPU coupled with cores from a CPU into one unit.
If they went with a Trinity based system, it would get absolutely crushed by Wii U and PS4.
Just because and for no other reason having a dual GPU would be nifty for having the Xbox10 output to two displays. much like how I wish my PS3 could do now... and which actually does make that Wii U tablet thing kinda interesting.
unless you're talking about 2 of the 360's GPUs, it ain't gonna happen. as said earlier, the heat output, added cost, inability to scale 100%, etc. make it too impractical, especially just to output to 2 displays (a feature only a select few will even use).
IF MS go with AMD again, which to be fair in my own mind at least is quite likely - ie not having the best relationship with Intel and Nvidia (xb1) and the CPU from IBM was not the be all and end all chip even Carmak said he didn't understand why either maker would not just use a nice fast X86...* but anyway... *in the end though through blood sweet and tears the CELL did come good
I'd expect/hope we get a SOC with “x amout of” bulldozer cores + integrated AMD GPU + maybe... eDRAM -> not needed next gen?
2gb of ram seems a little low but if its 2gb of super fast GDDR5+ then I could see that vs a design which has "many gigs of" slow DDR + fast GDDR for the GPU. The PC gamer in me says chuck in some cheap DDR3 to boost the amount of RAM why? Voice chat, open apps on the console - Xboxlive game paused in the background while in another game – make / receive a Skype call mid game ect.
Oh and NO to dual GPU's we all know its foolish esp when we have really nice performing traditional GPU's here and now more than capable to be re-tooled for next gen.
Of course this would kill BC... again... MS has done it before and I hope they do it again.
The other more conventional possibility :sigh is another PowerPC type CPU + OoO + more eDRAM for 1080P & High precision HDR + AF -> but no need for conventional AA moving towards shader based AA at this point ala FXAA + Faster AMD GPU pretty much a super duper Xbox360... yaw boring – but this would maintain BC at the expense of raw performance... again boring esp if MS can just sell a Cheap 360 with Kinect alongside the XboxNext which is what I think they will do. Market the 360 as a cheap fun Kinect console for the kids. While the $499.95 Xbox next can sell to the hardcore early adopters. Improved Kinect Next / 2 could come out later and make MS more money!? (Though there is a strong argument to say next Kinect must ship on Day 1 with the new console.
If Sony or MS is willing to break BC and start again they could have the faster console, I foresee if one maker goes the other will too so maybe no more PowerPC / Cell for next gen?
I don’t see ARM powering anything but smart phones / handhelds and tablets – I do see cheap Word Processing / Internet / Client PC’s shipping with ARM for businesses and entry level home PC’s but our beloved consoles hmmm.
– If it is ARM there will need to be a ton of cores in the thing – and then what the point? Could have just gone a fast CELL2 with lots of SPU’s then of course MS would not call it a Cell – probably a hybrid Power PC or something.
Many many variables personally I want to see another console maker try an X86 console again.
Last edited by freeman2; 11-16-2011 at 07:54 AM.
On tenth anniversary of xbox written by the biggest fanboy/cheerleader
These two article would provide history and future direction of xbox gaming console.
My take, it is a worthwhile read of xbox history and as usual one-side cheer leading effort by the fanboi. Xbox did improve on existing things and made it better, which is how any normal system works. Dreamcast introduced networking but xbox made networking better improving upon Dreamcast and using the computer experience. Doom LAN parties were legendary before Xbox live and xbox made LAN easier. The same goes for Kinect too, improved upon existing technology and made a better magic sauce with the software.
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