Hard Drive

[Schezo]

You are correct.. I don't know a thing about computers.. When someone gives out the specs to a system, I always end up saying "Is that good?". All I know about is Megabytes, Mhz, and Ram. I know pretty much, nothing esle.. I do know HTML though..

[fooman83]

There are many good reasons why X-Box will be ungood. People like Nintendo and Sony. To people with limited money (most game players) they will think: "Hmm, should I spend my money on a system like Gamecube or PS2 which I know will have good games and I trust... OR should I spend my money on the new guy who has no established game series?"

The choice is obvious.

[greenbirdz]

just buy a computer instead of an Xbox

[greenbirdz]

but yes, the harddrive will probably be specially created for the xbox's needs so it won't crash.

[stupoo007]

Originally posted by greenbirdz
just buy a computer instead of an Xbox

if you can buy a computer with the same specs a the x-bow for the same as the x-box then i will leave this forum!! (plus it has to be real)

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Lord Zeiler
There are obviously a few people here that know nothing about hard drives. First of all, the XBox can run just fine without a hard drive, it is optional. Second, Microsoft is the leader in computer technology and I think that if they want their system to survive, they will make a little better than your average hard drive. You know, one that won't crsh. If you want to insult the XBox and say the cube is better, use a legitimate argument.

Zeiler has Spoken

X-Box probaly won't even get past it's splash screen without the HDD. Now it's not nessacarily a part of the integrated architecture, but afer a few slave chaecks by the BIOS, it probaly won't be able to start up automatically. Also the 10GB HDD is standard equipment. It can't be taken out, and will most likley not be upgradeable.

Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT.

[sn0man]

Ok I'm goimg way of topic here but there was some stupid PS2 fan here that said somthing stupid. Then did not even back it then concluded that PS2 was beter than the Competetion. What the hell is he/she talking about 40gs? 40gs what the is that. Maybe he ment 40MB whatch Nintendo and Xbox destroy. After the Expansion Pack is added Nintendo will have 78MB RAM Xbox is somewhere neer that mark but a little below.

Anyways lets get back to the hard drive. Even if Micrsoft did make it so that there was no way it could crash, witch I highly doubt. theres still a posibility to pick up a virus when the internet capabilities are added. A hard drive makes Xbox seem more like a computer so that may influence wether a person will or will not buy a Xbox.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by sn0man
Ok I'm goimg way of topic here but there was some stupid PS2 fan here that said somthing stupid. Then did not even back it then concluded that PS2 was beter than the Competetion. What the hell is he/she talking about 40gs? 40gs what the is that. Maybe he ment 40MB whatch Nintendo and Xbox destroy. After the Expansion Pack is added Nintendo will have 78MB RAM Xbox is somewhere neer that mark but a little below.

Anyways lets get back to the hard drive. Even if Micrsoft did make it so that there was no way it could crash, witch I highly doubt. theres still a posibility to pick up a virus when the internet capabilities are added. A hard drive makes Xbox seem more like a computer so that may influence wether a person will or will not buy a Xbox.



I'd like to point out XB doesn't have any room for expansion. Since the only ports on it are Proprietary USB based. And USB only has a transfer rate of around 4MB/sec at the most. And since XB has 5 of them, thats divided up pretty bad. So no RAM, or HDD upgrades for it.

[GCMaster]

Originally posted by Lord Zeiler
they will make a little better than your average hard drive. You know, one that won't crsh. If you want to insult the XBox and say the cube is better, use a legitimate argument.



LOL, the XBox crashes at E3, and that was probably a unit manicured to the bone!

[neodragon]

the xbox's OS is on the DVD and not stored on the hard drive. So games will start up just like any other system. If you turn it on without a disc in it will load an options menu to set options like 5.1, wide screen and saved games. The PS2 hardive is a good idea but to late. It a fact that only 20% of designers will support an add on. Also EGM has already said that the hardrive for the Xbox is brilliant it make the games load as fast as carts.

[Korbinn]

Plus, the supposed "crash" was unfinished software running on unfinished hardware.

[neodragon]

Originally posted by Pretendo
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I'd like to point out XB doesn't have any room for expansion. Since the only ports on it are Proprietary USB based. And USB only has a transfer rate of around 4MB/sec at the most. And since XB has 5 of them, thats divided up pretty bad. So no RAM, or HDD upgrades for it. [/B][/QUOTE]

No expasion is a bad thing? Its proven that only 20% of game developers support expansions. One complaint in Japan is about how big the Xbox is. How big will the PS2 be with its hard drive, and network expansions. At least the Xbox wanted to give it all to everyone that buys their system.

[imported_Unreal]

Originally posted by PS2FAN
ps2s hardrive will be 40gs

Yeah, but it is an PS2 Addon, don't think that many people will buy it.

[imported_Unreal]

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Korbinn
Plus, the supposed "crash" was unfinished software running on unfinished hardware.

Everybody had a crash in one form or the other at E3, but not as severly or embarissingly as Microsoft's.:D

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Unreal

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

It's quite obvious you've got your facts wrong. Unlike the GPU developed by nVidia, ArtX built 'flipper' from scratch with aid's from Nintendo, and tips from Miyamoto who gave briefs on the kind of gameplay GCN will host and the boys at ArtX put in the required hardware. The flipper's architecture's also based off the OpenGL API, developers know it's more efficient, easier to tweak, easier to de-bug, and easily expandable to name a few. Yes the GF3 based XB GPU can run OGL, but it's chip architecture was not optimized for the API, which is why so many cards these days have such trouble running OGL as they where optimized for DX.

As for the processor GCN simply has Xbox beat. Xbox uses a pretty much off the shelve PIII, yeah they say it's been modified, but that only means a few extentions to the BIOS, and a few communication tags. GCN's is based (keyword) off the powerfull Power PC architecture, but has been customized by IBM with Nintendo's parameters for optimal performance. Also a 400Mhz PPC based chip can outperform a 700Mhz PIII. You also left out GCN is chock full of 1T-SRAM, the fastset RAM availble on the planet mind you, and with extremely high bus bandwidth's.

GCN does more with less for a lot cheaper. End of argument.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by Unreal

Originally posted by jstultz
"Micro$oft the leader in computer technology?*SMIRK* All the hardware design, and testing was done by contractors. M$FT just paid the tab. Nintendo on the other hand with their ingenuity, and know-how designed GCN themselves, and paid for it. If theirs any computer technology laeader in the world it's definatley IBM. Their always releasing the most powerfull super computers, and basically gave birth to M$FT."

Hmmm....speaking of market leaders and innovators....how about that nVidia company? What did they do again? Wasn't it something about creating the most powerful graphics chip ever? I think it was something along those lines....

Oh yeah, and Nintendo really designed GCN all by themselves..and to a much greater degree than Xbox...with they're 750CXe processor from IBM, their video chip from ArtX.....and their media format from Matsushita..

Why do you think the xbox is so fast. the best hardware of a PC is selected to be a part of the xbox.

Brining in opinion doesn't help further anyones argument. And by "the best" your probaly refering to performance. Wel ask yourself this how many times have intels CPU's been outperformed by AMD's bag of tricks?

[BigSky]

Pretendo erronously writes:
"GCN does more with less for a lot cheaper. End of argument."

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Sorry, completely wrong there buddy.
For $100 less the GC will not have a HDD, and EtherNet Adapter. Nor have I yet to see much from Nintendo showing it's graphics. This close to launch and XBox is so much further ahead.

The GC will be mired down with lack of software just like the N64 was.

Good luck though, I hope they surpass 30 million units, but something tells me that will take Nintendo a long time.

[MATRIX-X]

As for the processor GCN simply has Xbox beat. Xbox uses a pretty much off the shelve PIII, yeah they say it's been modified, but that only means a few extentions to the BIOS, and a few communication tags. GCN's is based (keyword) off the powerfull Power PC architecture, but has been customized by IBM with Nintendo's parameters for optimal performance. Also a 400Mhz PPC based chip can outperform a 700Mhz PIII. You also left out GCN is chock full of 1T-SRAM, the fastset RAM availble on the planet mind you, and with extremely high bus bandwidth's.


so why do we use alton and itel chips again?
and if you do a little rant like that i want to see some back up info like an actual compairison between the two.
like Dmips
and stop this debate buy the console you like and leave the other one alone.



[Edited by MATRIX-X on 06-19-2001 at 03:02 PM]

[simps]

I just say.. well.. i already have a computer.. i already have a DVD player... i already have a fast internet connection...

so what i NEED is a console that would give me gaming, good gaming, without all that extra crap. What next generation system gives me that? why, gamecube does!

easy decision for me.. i dont see why everyone is still arguing, this forum should be closed and this message posted instead of it because I jsut ended the argument..

ok so maybe you arent me and you want a DVD player and you dont have a computer.. ok then get XBOX.. you'll pay a bit more for it, but you'll get your standard DVD playing and file storage.. youll get your average games.. thats ok.. i mean its your money, isnt it?

[BigSky]

it's nice to state your opinion about the GC simps,
i feel the exact oppisite and side with XBox

i just see all those xtra's enhancing my game play experience, from playing my brother across the country in football, or make my own music soundtracks for any game I want, or even having faster loading times or having the bullet hole i shot 3 weeks ago in some wall still be there

xbox can offer that, while GC offers me a plumber with a vacuum, no thanks to gc

[MATRIX-X]

why add a hardrive?


http://www.msxbox.com/hardware_php/hd.php3

The built-in hard drive is one of the strongest features of the Xbox and will help take the world into a revolutionary gaming era. What about the hard drive makes it so significant? What could developers do with the hard drive? Lets take a look at just a few of the possibilities that have us so excited…

Huge Memory Card
Yes, you can save games on the hard drive. With 8GB of space, it will provide you with a virtually limitless space to save your games on. This is the largest "memory card" you can get right out of the box. Short of portability, why would anyone bother with a memory card?

Data Cache
Data Caching is the technique that lets the CPU/GPU to manipulate data files that are larger than the system's memory. To use a J. Allard favorite, imagine racing a track that runs through the whole country of Germany. That track has a size larger than 500MB. How can you fit it on Xbox's 64MB of RAM? That's when the hard drive comes to the rescue. By effectively streaming the level off of the hard drive and into RAM, the player is given nearly limitless levels without realizing that only a fraction of the level has been loaded at any given moment.

More Textures - Low Load Times:
The hard drive can also be used as a texture cache to store extra textures, so that Xbox games will have the most diverse and rich textures possible. When you're playing on a level, data of the next level and the previous level will be streamed and stored on the hard drive. When you access them, they will just pop up right on the screen for you, in other words; minimal load time.

Rewritability
Rewritability is the constant exchange and saving of game data. The hard drive can do an excellent job of modifications. What does this mean? Well, we'll see hair, grass, trees that grow over time. Imagine the corpses of the enemies start to decay in an hour or two rather than just laying there or "vaporizing" as seen in the current generation of games. Or imagine the bullets you shot at a wall are still there when you revisit the level, two days later! Starts to sound interesting, eh?

Increased Replayability
With the hard drive and modem, you can download new levels, tracks, arenas, characters, cars, weapons, costumes, spells, updated rosters, soundtracks, etc.! By allowing for software expansion, any given game can continue to grow in size and scope for as long as the developer and, possibly, the online community continue to work on it.

Music
When you finish playing games, you can download music from the internet in the forms of MP3, WMA, ect, and listen to them. Xbox's MCPX have hardware support for all these formats, and the only variable that remains is how easy Microsoft will make audio playback options.

Record It!
The Xbox controller has a slot for voice recognition devices. With a microphone, you can record you own voice and store it on the hard drive, then use it to play games. Imagine playing sports games in which your players will speak with you own voice, something like "You, son of a bit...", Ok, other, gentler phrases may work as well.

Create Your Game
More and more console games are beginning to ship with level editors. Similarly, Many Xbox games will have an editor section to let you create your own levels, tracks, and characters; then save them on the hard drive and perhaps share them with your friends or on the web.

For Online Games
The creators of EverQuest currently have their hands full with porting the PC favorite over to the PS2. A lot of the headaches come from the lack of a hard drive on every PS2. The PC version is continuously updated and expanded. So if PS2 users are to be able to play along with the PC gamers, they to will need a way to update their copy of EQ. By including a hard drive in every Xbox, gamers from both the console world and their PC brethren will be able to play the game together without concerns of version compatibility. With the assurance of a hard drive, a developer can continue to expand the land, add new threats and incorporate an evolving story so that the player is always faced with new challenges.

There you have it: Larger, Faster and more Interactive games. These all are exciting possibilities and, in the console world and next-gen console race, only the Xbox can do pull it all off. The possibilities seem limitless, so please let your ideas be heard!

[Pretendo]

Er-hum, Matrix, just FYI you haven't impressed me with your cut and paste skills. Now if you could get that off the top of your head thats a start. Now note who they'e failed to include the cons of a HDD.

Fragmentation....
This in my opinion makes Xbox a watered down PC. It'll be a cold day in hell when you have to defrag a HDD for a console. Know I know XB has a kernel version of Win2K and can defrag on the fly, well that doesn't mean a thing. Sure you can probaly play a CD but a game is out of the question, maybe even a DVD as I'm sure the MPEG 2 decoder is software based, but the CPU's working on swap files, not your entertainment, and thats only after you buy the $30+ remote kit that enables you to play a DVD.

Fragility....
One of the big things I'm a fan of console hardware for is the durability. My NES, SNES, and N64 had their bumps and bruises, hell even CD media consoles (PS2, DC) can easily walk off their falls, but not Xbox. Now the area between the read heads and read surface are measured in Nanometers. A particle of dust can't even be fit between the space. Now imagine the impact of a fall...the read head crashes into the read surface and you know have a $300 doorstop. You'll need to get it replaced by a Microsoft certified technician as you can't remove the HDD. More costs, more trouble, more frustration.

Patches....
Well if your one of the lucky %8 of American's who even have broadband most likely you'll be downloading patches. Now Microsoft has gaven way to their dislike for patches, but lets say a developer really does not account for latency in a online FPS, you'll be bugged with a laggy game that Microsoft refuses to have fixed.

Weight....
Another big reason why I'm a fan of console hardware is the ease of portability. Xbox doesn't even look like it can fit in a backpack. Hell it looks like it would be akward to carry around. The HDD is the main source of weight and large size behind this.

File Transfer....
Ok lets say you've managed to work up your way through Halo. Now you've been saving your games to your HDD, but you friend just got Halo and you want to play at his house. Then you're struck with the lack of a memory card. Since you can't take your HDD out you can't transfer files. Going online and doing it is limited to the people who have broadband. Not so good.

Viruses....
Yes I know Microsoft has said they'll prescan files and download for their site, but they can't as well do that for the entire internet can they? Lets say you're checking your email and you've got one of those pesty email viruses flying around again. Now you DL an attachment thinking you're safe, but you've got yourself a bona-fied virus sitting on your HDD. This is a worry no console gamer should have to face.

Well that covers just about all my the big woes when it comes to a HDD.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by BigSky
Pretendo erronously writes:
"GCN does more with less for a lot cheaper. End of argument."

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Sorry, completely wrong there buddy.
For $100 less the GC will not have a HDD, and EtherNet Adapter. Nor have I yet to see much from Nintendo showing it's graphics. This close to launch and XBox is so much further ahead.

The GC will be mired down with lack of software just like the N64 was.

Good luck though, I hope they surpass 30 million units, but something tells me that will take Nintendo a long time.

Ok for $100 more I pay for a console with a few great exclusive titles, a 10/100 Ethernet Adpater I don't even need, and for the ones with broadband, won't expect much online support.

As for graphics not only was your comment on very biased filtered, but you're just plain wrong. GCN's games at E3 where running at high framerates. Most games where locked at 60FPS. Need I bring up Halo? It's a lot easier to render 20M/polys at 5FPS than 60FPS, not to mention with full dobly surround sound up and 5 layers of special effects to boot (5 out of 8 possible layers per pass)

I'll give you a simple :rolleyes:

[BigSky]

oh pretendo, you bring your lack of knowledge to this subject to fruition

Pretenod Erronously Comments: (once again)

Fragmentation....
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Sorry Pretendo, fragmentation is strictly a Software OS problem, not a physical HDD problem. For instance Windows NT does not produce fragmentation, well it does a bit, but not nearly as bad as 95 and 98. Fragmentation is strictly a OS issue. So your assumptions is off the mark there.


Pretendo decides to continue:
Fragility....
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A problem indeed with all HDD's. Laptops especially. And don't say nano like you know what it is. Nanos are measurments on the scale of atoms. No hdd in the world needs to be so precise to be measured in Nanos. Sorry pal.

But back to your topic. MS has included break-away controller cords to prevent such instances of your console flying across the room.

But that brings up one more additional point. The XBox is not for kids, but for mature people who are into hi-tech gadgets and know how to take care or them.

Pretendo continues his fallacy some more:

Patches....
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No such things as patches for XBox games, MS will not allow them. More levels sure, but not game fixes. And yes I can't wait to enjoy BB gameplay with my XBox.


Weight....
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YOu are correct on this issue, the XBox is not a purse like the GC. But I hardly plan on moving it out of my entertainment center, but when I do it will be no more difficult than a VCR or DVD player, sigh.

More Pretendo ignorance appears:
File Transfer....
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That's why MS has a Memory Card for purchase.
But the best thing is, you don't need to buy one like you have to buy one with PS2 and now GC, as they are not included, thus another $20 out of pocket just to bring the PS2 or GC home.

The Weakest Link is Pretendo with this:
Viruses....
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Bwahahaha!!!! MS is not making an internet surfing machine my friend. There is no browser. This is a game machine, not an e-machine. And exaclty how do you expect a vbscript to run on a systems without a OS??? The Kernel will be loaded into XBox memeory everytime you put a game in.


I can understand your ignorance about the XBox, but try not to show it. Thanks in advance.

[Pretendo]

"oh pretendo, you bring your lack of knowledge to this subject to fruition

Pretenod Erronously Comments: (once again)"

"Fragmentation....
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Sorry Pretendo, fragmentation is strictly a Software OS problem, not a physical HDD problem. For instance Windows NT does not produce fragmentation, well it does a bit, but not nearly as bad as 95 and 98. Fragmentation is strictly a OS issue. So your assumptions is off the mark there."

Uhh no...You're attempt at grasping the fruits of a de-fragged hard drive lack total cognitive thought on your behalf. When you delte and write files fragmentation occurs. It's inescapable and for maximum drive performance you'll need this to be done on a regular basis. Now if your aiming to make this a war of who can make the biggest words I'm not in. My point in this forum is to un-officially moderate the fanboys making intentionally false, biased, and defamatory allegations. My aurthority you ask? look below...

"Pretendo decides to continue:
Fragility....
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A problem indeed with all HDD's. Laptops especially. And don't say nano like you know what it is. Nanos are measurments on the scale of atoms. No hdd in the world needs to be so precise to be measured in Nanos. Sorry pal.

But back to your topic. MS has included break-away controller cords to prevent such instances of your console flying across the room.

But that brings up one more additional point. The XBox is not for kids, but for mature people who are into hi-tech gadgets and know how to take care or them."

Oh...wait a second when you grow up you become perfect machines? By gosh, no woner why I've never seen an adult make a mistake, espescially drop something, or trip over a wire. Simply put, that was the worst analogy I've heard for quite sometime. Thanks for the minor chuckle.

Oh BTW negative on the Nano scale, it is not the measue of atoms you arse, if I can remember off the top of my head correctly it's one billionth of a milimeter. I'd have to re-affrim that however.

"Pretendo continues his fallacy some more:

Patches....
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No such things as patches for XBox games, MS will not allow them. More levels sure, but not game fixes. And yes I can't wait to enjoy BB gameplay with my XBox.

That has yet to be proven. Also Microsoft won;t allow them, but there are other developers working for Xbox...right???"

Weight....
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YOu are correct on this issue, the XBox is not a purse like the GC. But I hardly plan on moving it out of my entertainment center, but when I do it will be no more difficult than a VCR or DVD player, sigh.

Well because it's pretty much common sense Xbox fanboys are straight up PC Gamers. Console games like portability, durability, and hey why not good gameplay? Besides VCR's and DVD player don't have hard drives, large amounts of RAM, and plenty of interactive a/v processors do they (well not compared to a console)? GCN- Designed for gamers, by gamers;)

"More Pretendo ignorance appears:
File Transfer....
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That's why MS has a Memory Card for purchase.
But the best thing is, you don't need to buy one like you have to buy one with PS2 and now GC, as they are not included, thus another $20 out of pocket just to bring the PS2 or GC home."

Uhh read what I said over again, I made my comment on memory cards. Also if PS2's 8MB memory card sell for $38 Xbox's will be in that range as well.

"The Weakest Link is Pretendo with this:
Viruses....
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Bwahahaha!!!! MS is not making an internet surfing machine my friend. There is no browser. This is a game machine, not an e-machine. And exaclty how do you expect a vbscript to run on a systems without a OS??? The Kernel will be loaded into XBox memeory everytime you put a game in."


I'm sure there will be a browser like PS2 and DC have, accept Xbox has a HDD, you can DL files. Also I highly doubt the OS has to be loaded off a game. Also DC's Planetweb browsers don't run off Windows CE.

"I can understand your ignorance about the XBox, but try not to show it. Thanks in advance."

Ignorance? Go re-read your dictionary young man and try to find a more fitting word...

And go brush up on proper ways address what your talking about acronym of fully spelled

[BigSky]

Your authority means little if you don't know what you are talking about. And apparently with the XBox you don't know that much.

Like I said about fragmentation.

Depending on the OS fragmentation occurs at different rates.
Look at files systems comparisons for FAT, FAT32, and NTFS. (these are just windows related) and you will see that each Files System writes data in different sized blocks. Depending on the size of blocks lead to fragmentation of varying amounts.

The OS for the XBox is stored on each game aas a 500K kernel. It is loaded each time a game is loaded.

Again fragility, with the MS break away cord all things are heavenly. (bet you didn't know it had a break away controler cord, no, you didn't know).

All new systems will have HDD and even the next generation of systems will have HDD's. It's a fact of life. Even the kids playing Nintendo will have to be careful if they get a HDD. Your point about fragility is merely a grasp at something so superficial that it's laughable.

Patches- gosh man, you don't get it. Prove to me there will be pathces then if it has yet to be proved there won't be. sigh again man, stretching

XBox fans are PC gamers??? Not me, can't keep up with all the system requirements. Have not played a PC game since Baldurs Gate. But if what you say is a bit true, then the XBox will do mighty well.

[Pretendo]

BigSky I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, not only have I covered what your saying, but I proved you wrong, over, and over again. Now instead of going in half assed circles of which your replies are only paraphrased, re-hases of what you already said, why not answer my point? A good example. All you talk about are the breakaway cords for the controllers. Well tripping over a cord is not the only way a console can fall. But I guess you Xbox fanboys are perfect so that doesn't matter right?

Well I guess I'll go and re-answer over everything your talking about. These circles are meaningless wastes of bandwidth.


Your authority means little if you don't know what you are talking about. And apparently with the XBox you don't know that much.

Well it appears you can't even properly address Xbox/XBOX, doesn't help much critiquing others when it's yourself you should be concerend about.


Depending on the OS fragmentation occurs at different rates.
Look at files systems comparisons for FAT, FAT32, and NTFS. (these are just windows related) and you will see that each Files System writes data in different sized blocks. Depending on the size of blocks lead to fragmentation of varying amounts.

Still fragmentation occurs, you can't escape it and you can't excuse it. Also gamers tend to be hard on everything, HDD's not excluded. Thats just plain common sense right there.


The OS for the XBox is stored on each game aas a 500K kernel. It is loaded each time a game is loaded.
Give me a link and we'll just see about that...


Again fragility, with the MS break away cord all things are heavenly. (bet you didn't know it had a break away controler cord, no, you didn't know).

Umm yes I did, I do tend to like to know what I'm talking about before I talk:p I also addressed that in my frist paragraph.


All new systems will have HDD and even the next generation of systems will have HDD's. It's a fact of life. Even the kids playing Nintendo will have to be careful if they get a HDD. Your point about fragility is merely a grasp at something so superficial that it's laughable.

Well when a $300 piece of audio, visual hardware becomes a doorstop I tend to care quite a bit. Also take a look at you sig "buy american, buy xbox" first you could capatalize 'American', then properly address Xbox/XBOX, next American's tend to care about the quality and durability of their purchase.


Patches- gosh man, you don't get it. Prove to me there will be pathces then if it has yet to be proved there won't be. sigh again man, stretching

Once again you're leaving out key points of my argument. Microsoft said they won't have patches, now they can't nessecarily say the same for the thousands of potential 3rd party customers out there can they? fools....:rolleyes:


XBox fans are PC gamers??? Not me, can't keep up with all the system requirements. Have not played a PC game since Baldurs Gate. But if what you say is a bit true, then the XBox will do mighty well.

Not quite so. I spend quite a bit of time on PC hardware forums, reding PC Gamer, and playing PC games myself, and if you don't understand it all ready, PC gamers aren't to fond of consoles.

Now instead of paraphrasing what you've already said why not answer what I'm saying this time?:rolleyes:

[BigSky]

can't find the link for the kernel

even if it's ROM based, how could anyone write to it?
thus Virus potential is very small.

but lets say it does exist, which when you look at the DC I don't recall anyone getting a virus ever.

but when you add the hdd how high is the potential to get a virus? and according to your opinion here, the the GC and PS2 would be just as likely to get a virus

again, you are addressing the XBox but seem to miss that the PS2 and GC have the same potential of viruses and fragmentation

if you posted any signifigant questions or complaints it's obvious I have answered all your questions in you folly to put down the XBox

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by BigSky
can't find the link for the kernel

even if it's ROM based, how could anyone write to it?
thus Virus potential is very small.

but lets say it does exist, which when you look at the DC I don't recall anyone getting a virus ever.

but when you add the hdd how high is the potential to get a virus? and according to your opinion here, the the GC and PS2 would be just as likely to get a virus

again, you are addressing the XBox but seem to miss that the PS2 and GC have the same potential of viruses and fragmentation

if you posted any signifigant questions or complaints it's obvious I have answered all your questions in you folly to put down the XBox

Do you understand at all what I'm talking about? You can't seem to bring up a argument without going in cricles, or completely off topic.

First Xbox has a HDD. 2nd since you probaly won't need to insert a disc to manage files on the HDD, the kernel OS is in the BIOS.

Second, Xbox has a HDD, you can DL files to it, within those files can be a virus. Unlikely you'll get one from Microsoft, but lets say you're doing a file transfer, via-email, the possibilities are endless.

Also you can't get a virus on the DC as there is not storage medium whatsoever in the system architecture. That was another horrible comparison of yours.

Now please do yourself a favor and quit acting like you know what you talking about. Just listening to you has made everyone in this forum stupid-er.:rolleyes:

[BigSky]

again your are talking about e-mail and programs that might not even be available through the XBox, especially when there isn't a browser

i am afraid you keep bring up this topic and the PS2 will be far more suspect to these things you present

you are so biased I don't see how you can be a mod in this chat area

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by BigSky
again your are talking about e-mail and programs that might not even be available through the XBox, especially when there isn't a browser

i am afraid you keep bring up this topic and the PS2 will be far more suspect to these things you present

you are so biased I don't see how you can be a mod in this chat area

Email and websurfing capabilites almost assuradely to be there.

PS2 doesn't have a NIC/56K modem, or HDD standard.

I'm a mod here as I believe "...equal justice under law" and as you can see by my recent forum closings/deleteion (singular) I'm supporting that quite well. Lets not forget I'm on the team creating the rules and regulations for the GCXL forums.

[MATRIX-X]

xbox hardrive auto-defrags.
there will be no browser like you stated.
and the internet-network will be a closed one.
for the patches ms stated that no game may come with patches,MS does quality control each game has to pass it.
as a mod these are basic concepts.

[neodragon]

Pretendo here is your link.

Xbox OS is a Windows 2000 core under 500k and will be loaded off of the DVD.

http://www.msxbox.com/features_php/newspecs.php3

[BigSky]

thanks neo

there is so much XBox info out there that it's easy to lose where you saw something

too bad the mods here don't need to pass a general knowledge test to be considered a mod for the XBox forum

[Pretendo]

There is still a base OS factory loaded into the system BIOS. Unless you need to load a OS off a DVD to play a mere CD. Once again you leave out points. And doing your best to rasie a 'rebelion' against the mods won't get you anywhere.:rolleyes:

[BigSky]

ah, ok

whatever you say

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by BigSky
ah, ok

whatever you say

Well with that it's now obvious you have nothing to combat what I've said.

[neodragon]

The dashboard is a menu which will allow you to modify various Xbox settings (sound type, language, clock time), rip your music CD's onto the hard drive, play CD's and DVD's, and manage your saved games, but can you find I virus that corrupted Windows 2000 and not just a macro in Windows. I have heard of many viruses that corupted Windows 3.x to 9x but not Windows NT or 2000. Many viruses now are macros that you get from e-mails and since Microsoft will not support browsing or e-mail then this won't be a problem. If you need a link for no browsing and e-mail I will provide one, but I want a link to something about a virus corupting a Windows NT of 2000 kernel.

The Windows OS is on the DVD only. There is nothing saying that the dashboard is a Windows based ap so writing a virus for it would be like writing one for the menu program on my DVD player or VCR.

[Edited by neodragon on 06-30-2001 at 11:15 PM]

[neodragon]

Originally posted by Pretendo



The OS for the XBox is stored on each game aas a 500K kernel. It is loaded each time a game is loaded.
Give me a link and we'll just see about that...


Patches- gosh man, you don't get it. Prove to me there will be pathces then if it has yet to be proved there won't be. sigh again man, stretching

Once again you're leaving out key points of my argument. Microsoft said they won't have patches, now they can't nessecarily say the same for the thousands of potential 3rd party customers out there can they? fools....:rolleyes:

Now instead of paraphrasing what you've already said why not answer what I'm saying this time?:rolleyes:

Link for OS http://www.msxbox.com/faq.php3

And as far as the patches go, Microsoft can control it. There will not be a browser, the Xbox conects to MS's servers only so they control how you access software and from who. So if they don't want patches they don't let 3rd party companys post them. As you would say Fools!....:rolleyes: