Console Sales and Debate Thread

[NeoPlayStation]

Playstation 3 Outsells Wii in Japan for Second Week Straight
by Patrick Steen on November 21, 2007

The latest sales are in from Japan for the week starting 12/11 and ending 18/11, and surprisingly the PS3 is holding on in there with its new 40GB model, fighting off Nintendo’s Wii for another week. The Xbox360 also sees a rise, and Super Mario Galaxy and Heavenly Sword also having respectable sales. Find out the numbers after the jump.

Hardware:

DSLite: 81000
PSP: 66000
PS2: 8800
PS3: 53000
Wii: 36000
Xbox360: 5700

Software:
1. Mario Party (DS)　115000 （Total: 357000）
2. REUC　(Wii) 105000
3. Dynasty Warriors 6 (PS3)　73000 （Total: 250000）
4. Game Center CX　(DS) 46000
5. Famista (DS)　45000
6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)　43000 （Total: 378000）
7. Heavenly Sword (PS3)　16000 (Total: 23000)
8. Wii Sports (Wii)　15000 （Total: 2106000）
9. Wii Play　(Wii) 15000 （Total: 1662000）
10. FFTA2　(DS) 14000 （Total: 249000）
11. Nishimura Kyoutarou suspense (DS) 11000 (Total: 123000)
12. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (DS) 11000 (Total:1.05m )
13. Dynasty Warriors 6 (360) 10000 (Total: 37000)
14. Complete Literature Works (DS) 8800 (Total: 100000)
15. My Household Budget Diary (DS) 8700 (Total: 286000)
16. Ratchet & Clank: Future (PS3) 8500 (Total: 19000) :(
17. Ghost Scad (Wii) 7500 (Total: 38000)
18. Mario Party 8 (Wii) 5500 (Total: 890000)
19. Cooking Mama 2 (DS) 4700

Source: Famitsu (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1212062_1124.html)

[masteratt]

And finally beats PS2! lol

...Why is PS2 so low?
I guess everyone got one by now lol

This is the first time I didn't *sigh* after looking at sales.

Now let me clarify that I don't really care, it's just that I was brought into gaming when PS owned the market and I'm just so used to seeing that brand on top so it's always very odd and striking for me to see PS3 sell so bad week after week but now it's looking like status-quo for me.

Two weeks, one week, hell, even one hour, I don't care, seeing PS on top (between consoles) is a good feeling.


And I guess we can tie this in with Wii shortages?

[GTAce]

Cool.

[Hisham]

Dynasty Warriors 6.

What a surprise haha.

[Luis]

Dynasty Warriors 7 in the making :shifty:

[masteratt]

Just like the cleaning of a house, it never ends.

[Luis]

Ha-ha!

[Viper]

Japanese Wii allocations have been diverted to the US and Europe. They are also holding back many units for the launch of Wii Fit on Dec 1.



PS3 hardware in Japan has been doing much better with the new SKU. Software, not so much. PS2 in Japan did the same thing. Hardware sold like crazy since it was the cheapest DVD player in Japan and DVD software spiked but PS2 software was weak. I recently saw that BR movies have increased in sales in Japan lately while PS3 software still falters (though DW 6 is doing damn good).

[Gaul]

Just like the cleaning of a house, it never ends.

At least for women. :-D
Just kidding.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Call me after 4 continuous weeks, then I'll get excited ;)

[Shadow Voa]

Dynasty Warriors haha.

[Red_Eyes]

2nd Week. Keep it up, Sony.

[dnpmakkah]

Japanese Wii allocations have been diverted to the US and Europe. They are also holding back many units for the launch of Wii Fit on Dec 1.So Nintendo only had 36000 Wii units in stores this past week?

[zero 7]

good stuff keep up the good work sony

[Nameless]

Call me after 4 continuous weeks, then I'll get excited ;)

Call me if Sony dominates in the US over the holiday season...

It's good to see Sony is picking up on their home court, but if they plan to make up ground they need to dominate in the UK & US; the UK is looking positive, but the US not so much...

If Sony can make up ground with their current lineup they should really start to make this a race in 2008 with all the well known IPs...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

So THAAAT'S how Koei stays in business. Motherfuckers LOVE the Musou games.


Japanese people are a crazy bunch.

[hybridofsteel]

Common Capcom, release DMC4 already so that the PS3 can retain this momentum against the Wii.

[Shadow Voa]

^ So that Nintendo can release Super Smash Bros Brawl? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction my friend. ;)

[Hisham]

DMC4 = multiplat now, so people like me who have both systems can see compare which one is better before buying it too, which could also hurt Sony. DMC was never a system seller in the first place (RE is probably more notable). But w/e, I still have faith Capcom will still make it a great game.

[Jay Gee]

So Nintendo only had 36000 Wii units in stores this past week?
I gotta rep somebody else before I rep you again. Nice post, smartass.:DDD

[Luis]

DMC4 = multiplat now, so people like me who have both systems can see compare which one is better before buying it too, which could also hurt Sony. DMC was never a system seller in the first place (RE is probably more notable). But w/e, I still have faith Capcom will still make it a great game.Feature-wise, both are going to be the same (not even achievements will be exclusive to the 360 version). However, the previewers are pointing out that the extensive use of the R1 button ever since the first DMC doesn't feel right on the 360 pad, as they found it more uncomfortable than on the PS3 controller.

[NeoPlayStation]

^ So that Nintendo can release Super Smash Bros Brawl? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction my friend. ;)

Super Mario Galaxy didn't help Wii in Japan.


DMC4 = multiplat now, so people like me who have both systems can see compare which one is better before buying it too, which could also hurt Sony. DMC was never a system seller in the first place (RE is probably more notable). But w/e, I still have faith Capcom will still make it a great game.

Dynasty Warriors 6 is multiplat too. And the 360 version sales are very low.
A game released for PS3 and X360 in Janpan is like a PS3 exclusive game.

[Luis]

The 360 sales are relatively high for a 360 game in Japan, but in absolute terms they're still very poor.

[cliffbo]

And I guess we can tie this in with Wii shortages?

which ties in with Stringer's tongue in cheek comment

[cliffbo]

So Nintendo only had 36000 Wii units in stores this past week?

yep... you see what i see. come on Viper, you have to be honest here and admit that Nintendo would have had more units on shelves than that... Sony beat them fair and square, just like Nintendo have been beating them fair and square for a while now. things are changing for the average buyer, they are beginning to pick substance over fad. their are hardcore Nintendo fans out there that will always be Nintendo and will continue to buy games like mario or Metroid prime, but a huge slice of Nintendos market have bought the Wii for fun and to play on 'special occasions' like parties and christmas.

things are beginning to pan out as many other forum users have suggested (and many analysts). the novelty will begin to wear off more and more. the Wii fit will help swing it back nintendos way for a while, but it will falter once again. Long live the Wii, i say, and long live the PS3

[Segitz]

yep... you see what i see. come on Viper, you have to be honest here and admit that Nintendo would have had more units on shelves than that... Sony beat them fair and square, just like Nintendo have been beating them fair and square for a while now. things are changing for the average buyer, they are beginning to pick substance over fad

Yeah, and keep in mind that the mega hype (and possibly very good) game "U R Mr Gay" (SMG) came out too, which till end of the week of 18th November "only" sold 384k units, which is rather bad, I think. (Mario Party DS sold about the same number of units in 2 weeks rather than 3)

[jaxmkii]

Japanese Wii allocations have been diverted to the US and Europe. They are also holding back many units for the launch of Wii Fit on Dec 1.



PS3 hardware in Japan has been doing much better with the new SKU. Software, not so much. PS2 in Japan did the same thing. Hardware sold like crazy since it was the cheapest DVD player in Japan and DVD software spiked but PS2 software was weak. I recently saw that BR movies have increased in sales in Japan lately while PS3 software still falters (though DW 6 is doing damn good).
you just can't let Sony have a scrap of victory can you?... oh well black friday should be a good look into the season.

[PSXBatou]

you just can't let Sony have a scrap of victory can you?...

+1000000000000

Had it been the Wii there would have been 0 commentary from said person... However since it was the PS3 with superior sales we can let the excuses/hating begin.... :loser::wtf::rant:

[cliffbo]

if PS3 can repeat this success, for another 2 weeks, then you can safely say that we have a trend, and if Uncharted does well in Japan, then 'Good times ahead for Sony'. we can also safely say that MS are dead in that territory

[Segitz]

if PS3 can repeat this success, for another 2 weeks, then you can safely say that we have a trend, and if Uncharted does well in Japan, then 'Good times ahead for Sony'. we can also safely say that MS are dead in that territory

I doubt Uncharted will fare much better than RnCF tbh. It's just not a japanese game. Look at Tomb Raider and the like. Those games didn't sell there either.

In Japan, there'll be however DMC4 and MGS4 to look out for, as well as other "soon to arrive" articles... I have no idea, what japanese publisher will bring out over the course^^

[Gegenki]

if PS3 can repeat this success, for another 2 weeks, then you can safely say that we have a trend, and if Uncharted does well in Japan, then 'Good times ahead for Sony'. we can also safely say that MS are dead in that territory

I doubt it will happen.
There was a weight concious girl in my school talking about wii fit the other day - (shakes head) - its called outdoor exercise.
So far I see wii fit as a peripheral that will boost sales due to it being different and the average person seeing the possible gain they can get from it but without having much merit for what it claims to be designed for. - But you know I could be wrong (not like we don't have a wii downstairs <secretly preorders wii fit>).

I have no doubts that it will sell though. I also have no doubts that members of the general public are stupid and that there are too many FPS games on the market and that 'casual' has been used in place of 'crappy' games and gamers suck too (in general - yea I'm talkin bout you fanboy!)
Man what a disappointment games are becoming. - But yea it will sell and playstation the sales streak will be broken.

Question - Have sales picked up since Christmas is coming in general? Or do people start shopping in December - or what? - I think people are more likely to buy a playstation for them self and a wii for someone else but that's just my speculation

[Sephiroth_VII]

I don't want to start a new thread for this, but:


PS3 outsells Wii in Japan for the 3rd week in a row

Notwithstanding a minor drop in hardware sales, the Sony PlayStation 3 continues to be the dominating console in Japan. Media Create, Japan's reliable source for weekly sales numbers in the video game industry, revealed in a report for November 11 to November 18 that the PS3 sold more than the Nintendo Wii in Japan for three weeks now.

Nintendo continues to top the handheld scene, but the Wii only came as close second in the console race. With 39,178 units sold, the PS3 enjoyed a small lead over the Wii which only got 36,230 off shelves. The Microsoft Xbox 360 is having a hard time trying to keep up after selling 6,525 units, trailing the Sony PS2's 8,855.

Just like previous months, the Nintendo DS is still top-seller with 76,069 sold. The Sony PSP, however, is not far behind as it posted 65,609 in sales. The ranking, by units sold in a week, follows:

1. Nintendo DS: 76,069
2. Sony PSP: 65,609
3. Sony PlayStation 3: 39,178
4. Nintendo Wii: 36,230
5. Sony PlayStation 2: 8,855
6. Microsoft Xbox 360: 6,525
And PS2 is still outselling 360 with more than 2.000 consoles, loll!

[dnpmakkah]

If those numbers are correct than 3 weeks for Sony is fairly good considering they were barely moving any units up until a few weeks ago. The numbers have been steadly declining the past 3 weeks so next week Wii will probably take the weekly lead once more.

[masteratt]

Damn that was a close call though but still, FUCK YEAH! :cheers:

Viper if you post something negative...God help me I will SHRED YOUR SOUL!

[Sephiroth_VII]

^^Possibly. And like I said, unless it's for 4 weeks in a row, don't expect me to be that excited.

[dnpmakkah]

It probably won't hold up for 4 straight weeks just yet but if it keeps close than that is still pretty good.

[masteratt]

Shhhh, positive thought guys, positive thoughts!

I'm sure some crazy game will catch the Japanese gamers' attention on PS3!

[cliffbo]

I doubt it will happen.
There was a weight concious girl in my school talking about wii fit the other day - (shakes head) - its called outdoor exercise.
So far I see wii fit as a peripheral that will boost sales due to it being different and the average person seeing the possible gain they can get from it but without having much merit for what it claims to be designed for. - But you know I could be wrong (not like we don't have a wii downstairs <secretly preorders wii fit>).

I have no doubts that it will sell though. I also have no doubts that members of the general public are stupid and that there are too many FPS games on the market and that 'casual' has been used in place of 'crappy' games and gamers suck too (in general - yea I'm talkin bout you fanboy!)
Man what a disappointment games are becoming. - But yea it will sell and playstation the sales streak will be broken.

Question - Have sales picked up since Christmas is coming in general? Or do people start shopping in December - or what? - I think people are more likely to buy a playstation for them self and a wii for someone else but that's just my speculation

what i can't understand is that the Eyetoy has already done this ahead of the Wiifit (sound familiar) i think it was called 'Kinetic' difference is it actually got you fit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4d5anfjnA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmoLE1lvF54

[edoshin]

I heard they only allocated 36,230 Wiis for Japan ;)

[Gegenki]

yea... my mum brought Kinetic...
It was crap... It got turned on once.
Needed a better camera. Might work better with a PSEye

[cliffbo]

yea... my mum brought Kinetic...
It was crap... It got turned on once.
Needed a better camera. Might work better with a PSEye

seems to work fine in those vids i posted :shrug:

[Gegenki]

perhaps our old house just had bad lighting
- Wow cool vid - never considered using it as a taekwondo workout <rumages through old games>

- It's probably down to the way the game was advertised - and when you play it - it doesn't come across as something where... you'd have fun. You are literally just there for the sole purpose of exercising with some random non-existant objects

[KRA]

- It's probably down to the way the game was advertised - and when you play it - it doesn't come across as something where... you'd have fun. You are literally just there for the sole purpose of exercising with some random non-existant objects

i don't think it had to be game in first place.
it's just a tool for people to exercise and to motivate them in some way.

[jako]

It's confirmed on vgchartz :
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=X360&reg3=Japan&start=39040&end=39404

[jaxmkii]

which ties in with Stringer's tongue in cheek comment

???

[Xerxes]

Shhhh, positive thought guys, positive thoughts!

I'm sure some crazy game will catch the Japanese gamers' attention on PS3!

Im betting it will be littlebigplanet, MGS4, Final Fantasy 13 (both), White Knight Story, and The Last Remnant. Littlebigplanet will be one that will move systems. In 2008 PS3 will trounce Wii in that region.

Offtopic: What ever happened to eye of judgement? Did it come out yet? I haven't heard anything about it...Did it bomb?

[cliffbo]

???

Stringer recently cited the improved sales of the PS3 and made mention that perhaps it was down to shortages of Wii's. a lot of people thought he was being serious, but i reckon he was being tongue in cheek... you know, preempting the obvious Nintendo rebuttals.

[pac4life]

woo! good job ps3.

man, seriously
when you REALLY think about it...considering the price tag, thats amazing news...plus MGS4 is coming out next year...ooo damn. I will admit the PS3 price drop entices me like CRAZY cause of that...and its got a lot of killer games coming down the line like Killzone 2...

Still though, why you guys gotta hate on nintendo? Nintendo im sure brought you guys up on video games...no need to get all cheeky at viper like that i mean its not like sony's systems struggled for the past 14 years with an image problem and people just hating on it for the hell of it...ps3 has it like a king compared to what gamecube and n64 had. I congratulate them with their success man, all odds were against them


Oh well, dont flame me now - im a fan of games FIRST

[LaLiLuLeLo]

woo! good job ps3.

man, seriously
when you REALLY think about it...considering the price tag, thats amazing news...plus MGS4 is coming out next year...ooo damn. I will admit the PS3 price drop entices me like CRAZY cause of that...and its got a lot of killer games coming down the line like Killzone 2...

Still though, why you guys gotta hate on nintendo? Nintendo im sure brought you guys up on video games...no need to get all cheeky at viper like that i mean its not like sony's systems struggled for the past 14 years with an image problem and people just hating on it for the hell of it...ps3 has it like a king compared to what gamecube and n64 had. I congratulate them with their success man, all odds were against them


Oh well, dont flame me now - im a fan of games FIRST


NON-PARTISAN GAMERS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED HERE!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/1195790052330.gif

j/k, just needed an excuse, any excuse to employ that gif. hehehe.

[dnpmakkah]

I think almost everyone is surprised at how well the Wii is doing. I know I am. I still remember when the name 'Wii' was annouced....I think everyone and their mommas laughed, yet no one cares anymore.

[LiquidEagle]

I've already stated my issues with Nintendo & the Wii in a previous thread, so that rant is still on a cooldown :-p

[CreativeWriter]

woo! good job ps3.

man, seriously
when you REALLY think about it...considering the price tag, thats amazing news...plus MGS4 is coming out next year...ooo damn. I will admit the PS3 price drop entices me like CRAZY cause of that...and its got a lot of killer games coming down the line like Killzone 2...

Still though, why you guys gotta hate on nintendo? Nintendo im sure brought you guys up on video games...no need to get all cheeky at viper like that i mean its not like sony's systems struggled for the past 14 years with an image problem and people just hating on it for the hell of it...ps3 has it like a king compared to what gamecube and n64 had. I congratulate them with their success man, all odds were against them


Oh well, dont flame me now - im a fan of games FIRST

Well, if you really want to know why some of us dislike Nintendo, it starts with marketing. Yes, I grew up gaming with Nintendo, but I grew up. The Gamecube (and sometimes now the Wii) felt marketed to a younger audience. The Gamecube's thick, wonky (yet comfortable) controllers looked like Fisherprice toys. The cube itself seemed a jack-in-the-box, with its lid popping up to reveal silly, small discs. Even the new console's name, Wii, seems like the name of some flash-in-the-pan toy, even if it appears to have the same market impact as ipod and yahoo, other silly names (but I resisted those products initially, too).

Coupled with the "gimmicky" controller and the de-emphasis on graphics, the Nintendo console is aimed at a different audience than the HD gaming systems, one I feel distanced from by several years. Speaking psychologically, one of the primary motives of young adults (so as to establish their adulthood) is to destroy links to the past--a pun!--(move away from home, branch out from parents' political/religious views/etc). For some people, Nintendo, while holding nostalgic value, appears a relic from childhood, a system for kids not allowed to see blood in Mortal Kombat 2 or watch The Simpsons by themselves.

Nintendo's marketing strategy (low prices, family friendly) reinforces this already existing desire in young-adult gamers. This is why the Wii seems to have trouble among the "hardcore" audience (who tends to be a bit older these days). Add to this Nintendo's propensity for relying on the same staple franchises from our youth (Mario Golf, Soccer, Tennis... Frisbee, Skeet-shooting, Snorkeling, etc), and you have your explanation for Nintendo-hate. Perhaps we ought to get over our youth-complexes, but I think it explains some of the nastiness you're anticipating. Maybe older Wii owners are more secure in their adulthood. We might say the same thing about guys with fast cars and expensive guitars. At a certain age you begin to be able to afford these things, and you feel they are marketed towards you. They sell you an ethic, a worldview, a lifestyle that's appealing. Fast car = sex. Taylor guitar = sex. The Wii does not equal sex. (For me) The Wii represents gaming with your (male) buddies, sneaking alcohol and pot in Jimmy Monighan's basement. The Wii isn't aimed at me (yet). The PS3 is. The PS3 = social status which = sex. Even the 360 feels aimed at someone a few years younger than me (my college-age students perhaps).

Now I'm married, and I'm not thinking about sex much these days, but I can't deny that there are some underlying psychological drives going on to explain my console preference. And I never hung out with Jimmy Monighan or smoked pot or snuck alcohol, and all that (social gaming) wasn't really my thing to begin with. But my point is that this is the perception, right or wrong, I have about the Nintendo product. If Nintendo wants me to buy a Wii, they'll need to market it to me, but I think they're pretty happy with who they're appealing to right now (everyone else)...

[KRA]

Still though, why you guys gotta hate on nintendo? Nintendo im sure brought you guys up on video games...

why did you do that ?
now people will write why they hate/ why the don't hate...
this is what you wanted ?! to change this thread into that ?!
and by the way
where do you have this idea that we are hateing nintendo from ?
is it about this viper thing ?!
you get it all wrong...
first i don't hate nintendo... i don't think about it. i just don't care.
and yes that's the reason vision of people writing here why they
hate/don't hate nintedo is even more anoying.
making fun of viper and his crusade off wiigreatness.
and teaching us about martyrdom of nintendo fans in past all the time.
has nothing to do with hating nintendo or anything else.



no need to get all cheeky at viper like that i mean its not like sony's systems struggled for the past 14 years with an image problem and people just hating on it for the hell of it...ps3 has it like a king compared to what gamecube and n64 had. I congratulate them with their success man, all odds were against them

ogod! you are his follower...
or lover or something... yeah i understand now...



Oh well, dont flame me now - im a fan of games FIRST

ok.

[HighOnSunoco]

Well, if you really want to know why some of us dislike Nintendo, it starts with marketing. Yes, I grew up gaming with Nintendo, but I grew up. The Gamecube (and sometimes now the Wii) felt marketed to a younger audience. The Gamecube's thick, wonky (yet comfortable) controllers looked like Fisherprice toys. The cube itself seemed a jack-in-the-box, with its lid popping up to reveal silly, small discs. Even the new console's name, Wii, seems like the name of some flash-in-the-pan toy, even if it appears to have the same market impact as ipod and yahoo, other silly names (but I resisted those products initially, too).

Coupled with the "gimmicky" controller and the de-emphasis on graphics, the Nintendo console is aimed at a different audience than the HD gaming systems, one I feel distanced from by several years. Speaking psychologically, one of the primary motives of young adults (so as to establish their adulthood) is to destroy links to the past--a pun!--(move away from home, branch out from parents' political/religious views/etc). For some people, Nintendo, while holding nostalgic value, appears a relic from childhood, a system for kids not allowed to see blood in Mortal Kombat 2 or watch The Simpsons by themselves.

Nintendo's marketing strategy (low prices, family friendly) reinforces this already existing desire in young-adult gamers. This is why the Wii seems to have trouble among the "hardcore" audience (who tends to be a bit older these days). Add to this Nintendo's propensity for relying on the same staple franchises from our youth (Mario Golf, Soccer, Tennis... Frisbee, Skeet-shooting, Snorkeling, etc), and you have your explanation for Nintendo-hate. Perhaps we ought to get over our youth-complexes, but I think it explains some of the nastiness you're anticipating. Maybe older Wii owners are more secure in their adulthood. We might say the same thing about guys with fast cars and expensive guitars. At a certain age you begin to be able to afford these things, and you feel they are marketed towards you. They sell you an ethic, a worldview, a lifestyle that's appealing. Fast car = sex. Taylor guitar = sex. The Wii does not equal sex. (For me) The Wii represents gaming with your (male) buddies, sneaking alcohol and pot in Jimmy Monighan's basement. The Wii isn't aimed at me (yet). The PS3 is. The PS3 = social status which = sex. Even the 360 feels aimed at someone a few years younger than me (my college-age students perhaps).

Now I'm married, and I'm not thinking about sex much these days, but I can't deny that there are some underlying psychological drives going on to explain my console preference. And I never hung out with Jimmy Monighan or smoked pot or snuck alcohol, and all that (social gaming) wasn't really my thing to begin with. But my point is that this is the perception, right or wrong, I have about the Nintendo product. If Nintendo wants me to buy a Wii, they'll need to market it to me, but I think they're pretty happy with who they're appealing to right now (everyone else)...

Its the Cell it drives you to the PS3. LOL

[jaxmkii]

humm... its not like viper to back down from a chance to Wiifend

[Segitz]

Well, if you really want to know why some of us dislike Nintendo, it starts with marketing.

Coupled with the "gimmicky" controller and the de-emphasis on graphics, the Nintendo console is aimed at a different audience than the HD gaming systems, one I feel distanced from by several years.

Nintendo's marketing strategy (low prices, family friendly) reinforces this already existing desire in young-adult gamers.

Fast car = sex. Taylor guitar = sex. The Wii does not equal sex.

Now I'm married, and I'm not thinking about sex much these days, but I can't deny that there are some underlying psychological drives going on to explain my console preference.

I cut down your post to the essential bits and pieces.

First, I never was and probably never will be a Nintendo guy. I grew up with a five year older brother (I am born in 1982, my brother in 1977). He got an Atari VCS 2600 when I was about 4 or so. Then he got a C64 when I was 6 and some years later he got an Amiga 500 (which I still have and it WORKS!)

In my youth, some of my friends had a NES... I was never really envying them, because I had a 100 times bigger games selection on the Amiga and copying games (legal back then for Germans) was as easy as pi(e). Thus, I never got the whole Nintendo shebang. I got a Gameboy in 89 or 90. I never got Super Mario (but 2 and 3 iirc). And I got a Mega Drive in 92 or so. Sonic was DA MAN. Mario just couldn't cut it.

What I am trying to say is, there are also kids who don't like that kiddy image. Back in the day, the Amiga was the PS3 is nowadays. It was 4 times as much as the NES (200DM against 800DM) but it could do so much more, even online gaming with a modem in Fire Power^^ (great tank game).

I never really liked what Nintendo did (and I never had a Nintendo console beside the Gameboy, my brother owns a GC though and probably gets a Wii down the line). Emulators offered me to taste what Nintendo did in the past. I played some hours of Zelda on the SNES as well as SMW... But it just didn't cut it. There's no strange feeling of melancholy in my stomach, no nothing. Just a nice platformer with good mechanics. It's different when I play Sonic nowadays^^ I see Zelda on the Wii and I think... I like Shadow of the Colossus more or I see Mario Sunshine and I think Jak and Daxter is nicer. The themes of the games are mature and the characters have... well a character. Mario still is the mute he used to be. The only thing that makes Mario Mario is his looks.

For me, graphics play as big a part as gameplay. If I don't like the looks of a game, I don't want to play it. This even boils down to Solitaire in Vista. The looks are great and the gameplay is good too. The Wii on the other hand, compared to its direct competitors just loses out on so much. SMG looks good, no question, but I am not awestruck like I was when I first played the Uncharted demo or Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Graphicswise it is more of the same, and I want diversion and progression. This is what the Wii does not offer me. And, me being an oldschool PC gamer (well, coming from the C64 and Amiga) I prefer control pads and keyboard/mouse over anything. For a change, I'd use some waggle, but not as the whole concept. That's what I find great about the Sixaxis. If offers me a change every once in a while, not a forced diversion from a tried and true concept.

Games need change, no questeion, but a change in controls? I don't know. I'd rather have a change in game mechanics. Every game I played, you are contrained by the story and what your character is said to be. (hard to explain^^).

And sex^^ I dunno, for me neither of those things spell sex to me. A car maybe (if you own a great car, getting sex is easier, the rest, I dunno), but the rest surely not. For me, a great accessory is just what it is, a great accessory. I have great fun with it. Those things offer me the opportunity the shut down from the reality and relax. And the better the hardware, the more immersed I am. Escaping from reality to dive into a different world.

[solidus]

I don't want to start a new thread for this, but:


And PS2 is still outselling 360 with more than 2.000 consoles, loll!

That's actually not the third week, it's the same week as the one represented in the beginning of this thread. These are merely Media-Create's numbers while the others are from Famitsu.

They are usually pretty close to each other, but this week there's a vast difference between the two sources...

[GTAce]

I started playing with my moms PC and my first console was a PS1.
Nintendo didnt brought me in to gaming at all.

And i agree almost 100&#37; with Segitz here.

[jaxmkii]

I've already stated my issues with Nintendo & the Wii in a previous thread, so that rant is still on a cooldown :-p

link?

as far as nintendo... yea i got started on the NES but it ended there im not surprised that i did not stay a nittyboy as my favorate nitty game was as unnitendow as you could get "silent service"
from the NES i got a Genisis played that for a while before i traded it for a go-kart.

it was many years later before i was pulled back into gaming buy a title some of you might of hurd of called Granturismo i played the demo at a party and hated it... now a decade later its the reason i spend saturday mornings scowing the forums for tidbits.

[Chris]

Well, if you really want to know why some of us dislike Nintendo, it starts with marketing. Yes, I grew up gaming with Nintendo, but I grew up. The Gamecube (and sometimes now the Wii) felt marketed to a younger audience. The Gamecube's thick, wonky (yet comfortable) controllers looked like Fisherprice toys. The cube itself seemed a jack-in-the-box, with its lid popping up to reveal silly, small discs. Even the new console's name, Wii, seems like the name of some flash-in-the-pan toy, even if it appears to have the same market impact as ipod and yahoo, other silly names (but I resisted those products initially, too).

Coupled with the "gimmicky" controller and the de-emphasis on graphics, the Nintendo console is aimed at a different audience than the HD gaming systems, one I feel distanced from by several years. Speaking psychologically, one of the primary motives of young adults (so as to establish their adulthood) is to destroy links to the past--a pun!--(move away from home, branch out from parents' political/religious views/etc). For some people, Nintendo, while holding nostalgic value, appears a relic from childhood, a system for kids not allowed to see blood in Mortal Kombat 2 or watch The Simpsons by themselves.

Nintendo's marketing strategy (low prices, family friendly) reinforces this already existing desire in young-adult gamers. This is why the Wii seems to have trouble among the "hardcore" audience (who tends to be a bit older these days). Add to this Nintendo's propensity for relying on the same staple franchises from our youth (Mario Golf, Soccer, Tennis... Frisbee, Skeet-shooting, Snorkeling, etc), and you have your explanation for Nintendo-hate. Perhaps we ought to get over our youth-complexes, but I think it explains some of the nastiness you're anticipating. Maybe older Wii owners are more secure in their adulthood. We might say the same thing about guys with fast cars and expensive guitars. At a certain age you begin to be able to afford these things, and you feel they are marketed towards you. They sell you an ethic, a worldview, a lifestyle that's appealing. Fast car = sex. Taylor guitar = sex. The Wii does not equal sex. (For me) The Wii represents gaming with your (male) buddies, sneaking alcohol and pot in Jimmy Monighan's basement. The Wii isn't aimed at me (yet). The PS3 is. The PS3 = social status which = sex. Even the 360 feels aimed at someone a few years younger than me (my college-age students perhaps).

Now I'm married, and I'm not thinking about sex much these days, but I can't deny that there are some underlying psychological drives going on to explain my console preference. And I never hung out with Jimmy Monighan or smoked pot or snuck alcohol, and all that (social gaming) wasn't really my thing to begin with. But my point is that this is the perception, right or wrong, I have about the Nintendo product. If Nintendo wants me to buy a Wii, they'll need to market it to me, but I think they're pretty happy with who they're appealing to right now (everyone else)...

I don't really get the how being older makes one need to distance themselves from things that are socially accepted as "childlike". If anything, it seems as though it is an exercise in comformity to the social standard and just plain immaturity, that if you were to be seen with it you'd suddenly be "uncool", as if that should matter at all.

And why should a company's marketing influence you as to whether or not you want to own something? When I see the Wii commercials, they have this family friendly vibe, and I get it, but they're definately not marketed to the "hardcore" obviously. Now you see the PS3 commericals, and they're just as lame with the whole "PS3 in a white room" motif, but because they're edgy and slick, you find them more stimulating?

I base my decision on what games and consoles I purchase on what I want and what I like, not what's marketed towards my demographic. I have a Wii, and I got it because I wanted to, not because some marketing influenced me to do it, and I enjoy owning it. I don't own a PS3 because I simply can't justify buying it for the few games that I want on it which still retain exclusivity, if that changes in the future, so be it, I'll probably buy it, but for right now, I just won't own it. Please don't take this as a flame, I'm just generally trying to understand why you feel that way because I just don't see it.

And since when does any video game console = sex? If so I've been totally missing out.

"You press that A button faster than anybody I've ever seen Chris."

"Yeah, I practice 8 times a day, 15 reps 2 times with 20 second breaks inbetween."

"You're so hot."

[jaxmkii]

And since when does any video game console = sex? If so I've been totally missing out.

"You press that A button faster than anybody I've ever seen Chris."

"Yeah, I practice 8 times a day, 15 reps 2 times with 20 second breaks inbetween."

"You're so hot."

lol... see i guess you just don't understand women.

actual conversation taken from one of my partys:

"Wow Josh you have quite the setup its like NASA's mission control in here"

looking at the PS3, sound system and massive Sony HDTV that my freinds where all hooting and holering playing 4player Warhawk.

"you must have a good job i know that PS3 is expencive i can only imagine what the TV was?" she ask

and without sounding like i was braging sayed

"BMW techs get there fair share..."
Criss this conversation eventualy did lead to SEX!

even surrounded buy other more costly items the sexy PS3 grabed attention as a icon of fiscal health, and played on her female tenencys to atract a good male provider for her children.

im willing to bet if it was my friends crouded around a 27" TV VCR combo playing with there Wii's it would of lacked impact

[LaLiLuLeLo]

People wouldn't shut up, and some still won't, about how expensive ps3 is/was. So having one makes it look like, 'oh shit this dude has money.'
And no, not all women are hoes. About, 20..25&#37; of 'em, so chances are, it's gonna impress whoever sees it.

[cliffbo]

woo! good job ps3.

man, seriously
when you REALLY think about it...considering the price tag, thats amazing news...plus MGS4 is coming out next year...ooo damn. I will admit the PS3 price drop entices me like CRAZY cause of that...and its got a lot of killer games coming down the line like Killzone 2...

Still though, why you guys gotta hate on nintendo? Nintendo im sure brought you guys up on video games...no need to get all cheeky at viper like that i mean its not like sony's systems struggled for the past 14 years with an image problem and people just hating on it for the hell of it...ps3 has it like a king compared to what gamecube and n64 had. I congratulate them with their success man, all odds were against them


Oh well, dont flame me now - im a fan of games FIRST

i myself don't hate Nintendo, i think what they have pulled off is amazing to say the least, but it's just nice to see the PS3 doing so well against the Wii, which in turn throws up the questions of why. in answering that question and exploring the possibilities, it inevitably leads to looking at the negative aspects of Nintendos strategy. when we talk about BC in the 40GB PS3 that inevitably leads to looking at the negatives too. this is conversation not an attack as far as i'm concerned. what MS has done with downloadable Xbox games is a masterful stroke, but that leads to questions of price... it's not hate or fanboyism, it's a progression of inevitable debate

[Domination]

This is just my opinion, but in no way do I ever despise Nintendo. In fact, I'm quite elated to know that they'll continue to produce hardware in the gaming industry. To me personally, I feel that they belong in this industry, probably not for everyone but a demographic, no less. They, to me, are seen as innovative, and because of that, it helps breed new ideas to other platform holders.

Growing up, I've alway been a Nintendo supporter. Their consoles were just more targeted to what consumers needed and wanted out of them at the time. Probably not as violent as one would have desired, but the fact that they took care of the general users more so than others for it period is what distant them from every other platform holder in my eye. But agan, that was the pass and this is the present.

Since the dawn of the NES and SNES, my love for the family and youngling's label have gradually left me. Now, I can't say for certain that I'm suddenly a hardcore user since I do prefer a wide variety of genres, but I can say for certain that since Sony entered the industry, my love for Nintendo's direction of marketing seems to no longer exist. The fact is, too much and, at the same time, not enough has changed from their marketing. To better elaborate on that, the controller mechanism is changing way too fast for my comfort (this started with the N64) while things like online, multi media functionality, more mature content, flexiblity and so on have not. So as I do my peers, if it came down to me having to recommend the console, I would only do so if the individual wanting it is either under age or don't care that much about anything too high tech.

I have to applaud their ability to take risks with new innovative ideas, though. This is what I admire the most about Nintendo. Rather they appeal to me or not, they have always been the most riskful when it came to targeting a certain market (this has been the case since the original Nintnedo), and I think we need that to help the market evolve. In fact, I'm more inclined to the fact that Sony probably would not have done some of the things they did if not for Nintendo initiating the first step despite them being innovative, risk takers themselves. So for that, I've developed great respect for Nintendo over the years.

Moving on to another note, sales to me mean nothing. You can accumulate as many sales as you'd like to justify how great a particular platform is, but if I'm not seeing that experiece when I use that product, I could care less, and to honest with a lot of you, that's exactly how I feel about Sony's consoles. They might be viewed as the underdog right now in sales, but the experience I get from them is clearly telling a different tale to the others in direct competition. Their vision is just more targeted at the general user and not just those in search for games or a particular mascot or genre, kinda like how I used to view Nintendo growing up but far more flexible.

[Segitz]

Just a quick run up of germanys sales for the month of November (OCTOBER, you dimwit^^)...

The PS3 outsold the Wii with 37000 to 28000 units. The 360 sold 12000 units. Germany now is at ~172.000 PS3s, 389.000 Wiis and 328.000 360s.

EDIT: I actually meant October^^ Scratch that!

[frosty]

^that's a pretty comfortable lead over the wii.

[Sephiroth_VII]

That's actually not the third week, it's the same week as the one represented in the beginning of this thread. These are merely Media-Create's numbers while the others are from Famitsu.

They are usually pretty close to each other, but this week there's a vast difference between the two sources...

DAMN YOU QJ!!!

[jaxmkii]

but but but... teh realocations!!!!

[cliffbo]

a hiccup? or a genuine decline in interest in the Wii?

[JasonXe]

you just can't let Sony have a scrap of victory can you?... oh well black friday should be a good look into the season.

Thats why I don't post negative stuff on the ps3, it's way to easy. The last thing I want to do is scatter the small glimmer of hope in everybody tiny winy eyes. MAWHAHAHAHAHahaha im evil. :queer::queer::queer:

[edoshin]

a hiccup? or a genuine decline in interest in the Wii?

I think Wii has really found its niche this gen, so it may decline a bit, but I think the console will remain strong. I just purchased 2 games for the Wii for my daughter .. the new Naruto game, and that Rayman Rabbid game. But the good stuff for PS3 is well hidden for Christmas morning. I rarely touch the Wii myself except for tennis every now and then.

[Khaos]

The Wii is still selling at a constant rate; it's sales have not decreased. The PS3 is selling much more than usual though. This seems to show what Ninty has been saying: Wii is not competing against PS.

I really have a hard time understanding some people's posts in this thread regarding Nintendo-hating. A tad childish to hate a games company unless they actually do something worth hating (manufacture shoddy hardware, perhaps?).

[edoshin]

I dont think its so much Ninty hating as much as its light-hearted jabs at Viper's suggestion that PS3 only outsold Wii b/c of re-allocations. Anyone who takes this as an opportunity to bash another console is an idiot.

[Red_Eyes]

The Wii is still selling at a constant rate; it's sales have not decreased. The PS3 is selling much more than usual though. This seems to show what Ninty has been saying: Wii is not competing against PS.

I really have a hard time understanding some people's posts in this thread regarding Nintendo-hating. A tad childish to hate a games company unless they actually do something worth hating (manufacture shoddy hardware, perhaps?).
Are you suggesting we hate on Microsoft?

[KRA]

Are you suggesting we hate on Microsoft?

well actually it's something more than some plain hating.
i hate microsoft with passion...
anyday anytime anyhow...it just feels so right :)
it's just like fighting the evil...
ok i don't have anything agains evil but microsoft.....fuck yess :)

[Khaos]

Are you suggesting we hate on Microsoft?

Sure, atleast you'd have a good reason for doing so.

[Media]

I'm one of the few PSWii supporters.

[Segitz]

Hate?

I am not THAT involved into anything that does not regard living, breathing people, to be honest... I do not hate MS, I just passionately dislike their ways (not because of the 360, but because of their more than dubious business practices and their shameless exploitation of their monopoly).

I never really thought about getting a second console really, why would I? I don't get 2 MP3 players, because iTunes only works with iPods, do I? (yes, bad analogy, but you get the point). Thing is, for each exclusive game on one console, there is a direct comparison on the next console. For every GT there is FM, for every God of War there is Ninja Gaiden etc. etc.

To me, it REALLY isn't worth getting two consoles. I have a great PC and a PS3. It would have never been a 360 or a Wii, just because I grew up on the PS1 and PS2 (well, I was more or less grown up when the PS2 arrived, was about 18 at that time), so the next logical step was to only look at the PS3 also (and I believe many people think the same).

If Sega was still in the market, I believe I'd have their console, because my first home console was a Mega Drive and I loved Segas franchises (which they have passionately destroyed over the past 6 or 7 years).

I find it rather exceptional, that Sony now sells that well in Japan AND in Germany (or rather more than that, looking at Spain or Italy for example, dunno bout the UK), since they outsell the other consoles on a constant basis now. None of my local stores was ever sold out on the Wii, and at this rate, it isn't likely that it will change. Seems like the Germans really embrace the HD concept (The Wii was launched back to back worldwide, so higher sales are normal, as they now get into their second XMas season).

I still hope, my brother gets a Wii. Since I'd really like to play Galaxy and some other games, but I won't get one... 250€ is not something I pay for just some waggle in SD^^ (not to offend anyone, but HD is THE best thing that happened to gaming AND tv in the recent years!)

[curryking1]

I'm one of the few PSWii supporters.

I'm in that camp too! Super duper high five! :D

The games on these systems are just 'me.' That is all :)

[Media]

I'm not much of a sports or shooter gamer, so Playstation and Nintendo are where I find myself having the most fun.

[Hisham]

Hate?

I am not THAT involved into anything that does not regard living, breathing people, to be honest... I do not hate MS, I just passionately dislike their ways (not because of the 360, but because of their more than dubious business practices and their shameless exploitation of their monopoly).

I never really thought about getting a second console really, why would I? I don't get 2 MP3 players, because iTunes only works with iPods, do I? (yes, bad analogy, but you get the point). Thing is, for each exclusive game on one console, there is a direct comparison on the next console. For every GT there is FM, for every God of War there is Ninja Gaiden etc. etc.

To me, it REALLY isn't worth getting two consoles. I have a great PC and a PS3. It would have never been a 360 or a Wii, just because I grew up on the PS1 and PS2 (well, I was more or less grown up when the PS2 arrived, was about 18 at that time), so the next logical step was to only look at the PS3 also (and I believe many people think the same).


Sorta doesn't work that way really. The systems themselves are doing a lot more to define there worth nowadays. I mean, they did so in the past too, but now it goes above and beyond. So I could see why people would want all the consoles or such. I mean if you aren't into PC gaming much, you could get a 360 for online shooters (lets face it, PS3 pales in comparison right now, really), the PS3 for Sony franchises and the Wii for party games, a unique experience, and Nintendo first parties. I don't think that logic (no need for 2 systems cuz they are basically the same) works.

[curryking1]

But you just gave two scenarios where that logic does work.

If you have a PC for that kind of stuff, or the stuff that differentiates that other console simply doesn't appeal to you enough to warrant the purchase and you get enough of whatever that is available on it on another console anyway.

Make that kind of 2 and a half scenarios.

Suffice to say that is my scenario. I have a good PC (yet I rarely even use it for gaming now, and when I do all I do is play Warcraft and Starcraft on it, with the occasional Half Life 2 or something), I have a PS3, and all I need to complete my gaming satisfaction is a Wii.

[dnpmakkah]

My sister, my co-worker (female) and my special someone (female) all want a Nintendo Wii. Each one of them use kids as the excuse but deep down inside they want it for themselves. Props to Nintendo for doing what they are doing. I'm still shocked.

Personally I'm a Playstation gamer mainly due to PS2. I moved over to PS3 because I was able to play my old games that I love. Besides that incentive I just feel Sony has MY type of games. There's a ton of variety and I'm loving it.

Honestly the 360 is an awesome system and much more worthy of purchase as compared to the original Xbox. I wouldn't even argue the fact if someone claims that the 360 has the better games (which it might) but for me I'd rather have Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Uncharted not because they are better but those are the type of games I like. I'm eagerly awaiting MGS and GOWIII.

[Hisham]

But you just gave two scenarios where that logic does work.

If you have a PC for that kind of stuff, or the stuff that differentiates that other console simply doesn't appeal to you enough to warrant the purchase and you get enough of whatever that is available on it on another console anyway.

Make that kind of 2 and a half scenarios.

Suffice to say that is my scenario. I have a good PC (yet I rarely even use it for gaming now, and when I do all I do is play Warcraft and Starcraft on it, with the occasional Half Life 2 or something), I have a PS3, and all I need to complete my gaming satisfaction is a Wii.

But your still buying 2 consoles to satisfy your gaming. On the flipside, you have me. Who has a shitty laptop, and a PS3 and a 360. And I still want a Wii beacuse they all offer a different experience. I use my 360 for games like Gears of War, Dead Rising, and Bomberman Live and the online experience. On the PS3, I basically have Uncharted and all my PS2 fighting games. On the Wii, I would have a totally different sort of experience, so that validates the purchase for that console too. It isn't as simple as company loyalty anymore or something like that. There are too many games on each system that are worth getting IMO. Which is why I have always held the notion of fuck console makers, just be a fan of games in general.

[curryking1]

Ok, that's the thing, you're a different scenario, I was just pointing out that there are other of us with different scenarios which wouldn't need all three consoles, maybe even 2 consoles, just pointing out the inconsistency in your post before ;)

I know you're saying ***k consoles wars, but be careful not to categorize us that don't need all three consoles into the console wars.

I'm not getting 360 because I've just really never wanted one. I could've got two for the price of my PS3, but I just want the PS3. I'm not a fanboy for that.

I'm an RTS, JRPG, Action Adventure, and Platformer gamer with the slightest tinge of FPS on the side.

Of course there's stuff from genres on all systems, yet what's on the Wii and PS3 have only genuinely appealed to me. My RTS games are literally Starcraft and C&C and Warcraft III, my RPGs are almost exclusively FF games and by and large Squaresoft material, my action adventure and platformer taste is for light and humoured and lovable for the most part. I've played Jak and Ratchet and Crash and all sorts of stuff that is just exactly 'me.'

The few FPS games that have truly appealed to me have been ones I've seen that set them apart entirely. Half Life 2, Halo, Killzone, and what Insomniac has gone and made with Resistance. If you notice, the only game I'm chasing on the Xbox is Halo 1, but I have it for PC now and I've played through it like 20 times now, I love that game. I haven't really had a lot of fun playing the other 2 and I've played them both enough to know that I don't need them for myself.

It's not about brand loyalty, it's simply about knowing exactly what I want.

P.S. And moreover than that, I don't buy a lot of games, my taste is absurdly specific. My PS2 library is FF X, FF XII, MGS2, MGS3, GTA VC, GTA SA, GT3, GT4, KH1, KH2, KZ and Dark Cloud if that tells anymore of a story. The only other games I want on my PS2 and essentially from the rest of last generation are Okami, Dark Cloud 2, SOTC (which I've already owned, can't believe I sold it now), and ICO.

So after that, can you really tell me I need or let alone even reconsider another system not for me and concern me with being a brand loyalist?

[Hisham]

Ok, that's the thing, you're a different scenario, I was just pointing out that there are other of us with different scenarios which wouldn't need all three consoles, maybe even 2 consoles, just pointing out the inconsistency in your post ;)

Yeah, I see where it is, and that wasn't the way I wanted to word it. Anyways, PC gaming is still good for RTS games, and you will never get the same experience on consoles because IMO, RTS games have to be played on a PC with a mouse and macroing the Keyboard.

Just the thing that urks me is the loyalty to these companies. I mean, like I said, I'm a fan of games and everything else can fuck right off. Console wars, and all that bullshit, that is just stupidness. The reason I have a PS3 and 360 is because games on both systems drew me in. It isn't because I was a Sony or MS fanboy. And now I want a wii for the exact same reason.

I am neutral on each company, I don't care how they run business, as long as I am satisfied then that is the bottom line. I give Sony and MS both shit because I am not satisfied with the games on either system. With the exception of Uncharted and Gears, both systems, to me are lackluster. Even though I was Sony through and through last gen, they haven't really shown me a reason to keep faith in them, other than Uncharted. Same with MS. Me and my bro decided to take the risk, and I was very pleased, untill I got bored with Gears. Now it is basically the same thing as the PS3. People need to get out the notion of supporting a company just because they were great before, and gauge everything, and make a supported decision on what you want. Now I'm not saying anybody here doesn't do this this, but there are some blatent fanboys on this forum for each system. You need to get off that shit, and just talk about the games rather than the companies. Saves everyone the headaches.

Now, I realize somebody could have bought the PS3 as something like a blu-ray player first, but I am sure that if you are posting on the forums, you bought it for gaming first and foremost.

And yeah, this is off on a tangent, but I just like to throw this into the mix now too.

EDIT: Damnit curry, why did you edit your post, I'll respond soon.

[curryking1]

Aright, cool, I get you now, that's where I thought you'd be too, grounded ;)

To me too, it's just the bottom line. If they got something I really want, I'm gonna damn get it :)


People need to get out the notion of supporting a company just because they were great before, and gauge everything, and make a supported decision on what you want. Now I'm not saying anybody here does this, but there are some blatent fanboys on this forum for each system. You need to get off that shit, and just talk about the games rather than the companies and the systems. Saves everyone the headaches.


:)

It's cool to discuss the business and what's going on, but even the relatively, I stress relatively, low amount of snarky comments and fruitless arguing, it's just not right dammit! :P

[qzak]

Sorta doesn't work that way really. The systems themselves are doing a lot more to define there worth nowadays. I mean, they did so in the past too, but now it goes above and beyond. So I could see why people would want all the consoles or such. I mean if you aren't into PC gaming much, you could get a 360 for online shooters (lets face it, PS3 pales in comparison right now, really), the PS3 for Sony franchises and the Wii for party games, a unique experience, and Nintendo first parties. I don't think that logic (no need for 2 systems cuz they are basically the same) works.

I think you missed the part where he said he passionately disliked MS's business practices. Which probably makes purchase of a 360 unlikely, whether he's into online shooter games or not. It sounds more like you're justifying your own preferences (and assuming he must need the same thing) rather than paying attention to what he's saying.

Personally, I can see exactly where he's coming from.

[curryking1]

^I'm ok with that too. If you simply don't want something, it really doesn't matter what the reason is.

The only thing uncool is the arguing between people for no reason that gets nowhere fast. You can do whatever you want for yourself, but when it comes to other people, you gotta respect.

[qzak]

LOL dude, I got done replying and then saw your last response. Did you really write these two things on the same page of the same thread?


I don't think that logic (no need for 2 systems cuz they are basically the same) works.


Same with MS. Me and my bro decided to take the risk, and I was very pleased, untill I got bored with Gears. Now it is basically the same thing as the PS3.

Heh, not trying to belittle you, really, just noticed the humor since I was replying to the earlier post just now. I do agree with your point that to stick with a system solely because you were a fan of the last iteration (or a fan of the company for the company's sake) is a bit silly (with the exception if you want BC for your old games). However, as above, other factors may apply. ;)

[Hisham]

I know you're saying ***k consoles wars, but be careful not to categorize us that don't need all three consoles into the console wars.

I'm not getting 360 because I've just really never wanted one. I could've got two for the price of my PS3, but I just want the PS3. I'm not a fanboy for that.

I'm an RTS, JRPG, Action Adventure, and Platformer gamer with the slightest tinge of FPS on the side.

Of course there's stuff from genres on all systems, yet what's on the Wii and PS3 have only genuinely appealed to me. My RTS games are literally Starcraft and C&C and Warcraft III, my RPGs are almost exclusively FF games and by and large Squaresoft material, my action adventure and platformer taste is for light and humoured and lovable for the most part. I've played Jak and Ratchet and Crash and all sorts of stuff that is just exactly 'me.'

The few FPS games that have truly appealed to me have been ones I've seen that set them apart entirely. Half Life 2, Halo, Killzone, and what Insomniac has gone and made with Resistance. If you notice, the only game I'm chasing on the Xbox is Halo 1, but I have it for PC now and I've played through it like 20 times now, I love that game. I haven't really had a lot of fun playing the other 2 and I've played them both enough to know that I don't need them for myself.

It's not about brand loyalty, it's simply about knowing exactly what I want.

P.S. And moreover than that, I don't buy a lot of games, my taste is absurdly specific. My PS2 library is FF X, FF XII, MGS2, MGS3, GTA VC, GTA SA, GT3, GT4, KH1, KH2, KZ and Dark Cloud if that tells anymore of a story. The only other games I want on my PS2 and essentially from the rest of last generation are Okami, Dark Cloud 2, SOTC (which I've already owned, can't believe I sold it now), and ICO.

So after that, can you really tell me I need or let alone even reconsider another system not for me and concern me with being a brand loyalist?

Yeah, that is fine. You aren't a fanboy in my books. And you are one of the most informed posters too. I see the reason why one would only want one console, but when you start insulting other gamers and letting your judgement get clouded by seeing Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo on it, and think it is automatically the shit and the other systems can fuck right off, then you are being an idiot. If you don't like another consoles games, you can state that, but then attacking each other for the choices you make on games is idiotic IMO.


I think you missed the part where he said he passionately disliked MS's business practices. Which probably makes purchase of a 360 unlikely, whether he's into online shooter games or not. It sounds more like you're justifying your own preferences (and assuming he must need the same thing) rather than paying attention to what he's saying.

Personally, I can see exactly where he's coming from.


^I'm ok with that too. If you simply don't want something, it really doesn't matter what the reason is.

The only thing uncool is the arguing between people for no reason that gets nowhere fast. You can do whatever you want for yourself, but when it comes to other people, you gotta respect.

Yeah, obviously, I was just making a comment (straight from gamers perspective, taking nothing else into account) that each system defines itself enough so I can see why people would buy more than 1 system. The thing is though, everything that comes in after that (personal feelings and such) was something that I wasn't taking into account. So if you don't want to buy a 360 because of business practices, then that is fine.

Just like curry said, the "uncool" thing is not to respect other peoples choices. The only thing I don't respect is people who jump on brand loyalty, because they aren't informed purchasers. And now I wouldn't normally jump on anybody either for this, but these people who have "brand loyalty" turn out to be the fanboys and end up bad mouthing everything else. And that is what I do have a problem with.


LOL dude, I got done replying and then saw your last response. Did you really write these two things on the same page of the same thread?

Heh, not trying to belittle you, really, just noticed the humor since I was replying to the earlier post just now. I do agree with your point that to stick with a system solely because you were a fan of the last iteration (or a fan of the company for the company's sake) is a bit silly (with the exception if you want BC for your old games). However, as above, other factors may apply. ;)

It isn't the same in gaming terms though. What I mean by that is that I have had different experiences on the PS3 than the 360. I played gears, everyday for 6 months online because it was that fun. I played Uncharted for the awesome storytelling. But now that I am on a gaming drought on both systems, they both suck. Last gen started off 10x better too IMO (dreamcast has the best first year of any console ever.) And then with the PS2, you had a constant barrage of games, so you were never bored with the console. Me and my brother racked up about 100 games for it in the 2 years we had it. Now we are down to 40 or 50, but still, with the way the PS3 is going right now, I don't see that happening.

All opinion btw.

EDIT: This post it probably all over the place too, I'm doing homework at the same time, so my bad for typo's and randomness.

EDIT 2: Fixed up the last paragraph. It is easier to read now.

[Segitz]

Phew... I may have stirred a nice conversation here^^

Thing is, what I meant with, for each GT there's FM et al...

Look at the casual gamers. I would consider myself one, as I rarely dive into games often (these days I do more, because I have enough free time and games come in a galore). A casual does not look at everything nook and cranny to see, which console is best to him. He either has already decided (because of a past experience) to buy a certain console, or is going to buy one, because it promises one certain feature, the other may or may not have. A good friend of mine has bought his PS2 solely for GT3... Did he even bother to look at the XBox? No, because his neighbour had a PS1 with GT2... So he was already sold on this specific console. He doesn't need another, because his initial lust was stilled. Later down in the timeline, as gaming is only one of his less intensive hobbys, he may look at XBox games, yet as he already has a PS2, why should he shell out that much cash to buy another console?

Statistics prove my analogy to be right. The grand majority of console buyers usually only owns one console per generation. There are major differences, especially now, as that early into a consoles live, only real gamers and early adopters like us take that deep plunge, which every so slightly emptys our wallets. None of my friends, no matter if hardcore gamer (don't know that many) or casual gamer has bought a next gen console yet (except one, where the GF bought a Wii, and she left him some weeks ago, taking the console with her^^). Some of my friends are considering one (mostly PS3 for them, afaik) for this XMas, and I doubt, that many will buy a second console next year or even the year after.

And then there's also the industry as a whole to put into consideration. There's the official 360 magazine and the official PS3 magazine (dunno if Nintendo Power is still around^^)... These magazines do not talk about games on other systems. There are multiplat magazines, yet compared to the official ones, their sales pale in comparison. This brings me to the point on where would the casual gamer know from, which games come out for the other system. We are avidly looking at gaming sites on the internet and have our forum... They do not. They go into Gamestop and ask for a good racing game on the PS or whatever... Why should they ask for a good racing game on another console, that would be much more expensive! The sales person might point this stuff out, but that's only hypothetical.

Whoa... I think this got a bit out of hand here^^

Brand loyality also is a major factor... And I guess, I AM a Sony fanboy in that regard, because I grew up on that stuff... Guess this comes from my father and his love for a good stereo. He ONLY bought Sony stuff (except for the speakers), the cassette deck, the cd player, the amp... all Sony. The TV, the LP player, the radio tuner... All in black! I grew up on a major Sony monopoly during the 80s (Sony was the first japanese company to set foot on german homeland!). Sony still has this advantage of their name. Their stuff is very good quality (my fathers stereo still works completely, but it is already 15 yrs or so old) and in stores, they still get very prominent places (talking bout tvs and stereos and the like)

[kaphwan]

This seems to show what Ninty has been saying: Wii is not competing against PS.

I could count on one hand the number of Nintendo people I've seen on the internet that have actually acted like Wii and PS3 aren't competing.

[Khaos]

Oh, you Sony fanboy you! ^.^

[cliffbo]

When compiling weekly data for Japan, ioi uses a bevy of sources. By Sunday Night (East Coast USA time), both first day data and preliminary weekly data is available for analysis. Taking both into account, here is an early take on how some of the figures will look this week. These figures are not to be taken as gospel, just an early take on approximately where the market will be for the week.

This week saw a huge amount of software sales, and seems to mark the seasonal upturn in videogame sales as December approaches. However, the release of Dragon Quest IV for the Nintendo DS – at any time of year – would have caused an enormous increase in software sales all by itself. What makes this week huge is the fact that seven titles sold over 50,000 units this week. As expected, Dragon Quest IV was indeed the top selling title of the week, although it looks as though both the PS3 and PS2 versions of Winning Eleven 2008 debuted to strong sales as well. As always, the breakdown of the top twenty titles to appear in the preliminary data – by platform – can be found below.

Wii Software – Three titles for Wii were in the preliminary top twenty this week. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games debuted to sales of 22,000 to 30,000 units. Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles sold another 17,000 to 20,000 units in its second week. Lastly, Super Mario Galaxy sold through another 15,000 to 20,000 units, although it will probably be slightly higher in the final data. Wii hardware sales should remain flat – in the 34,000 to 40,000 unit range – until Wii Fit debuts next week.

PS3 Software – Two titles for PS3 were in the preliminary top twenty this week. Winning Eleven 2008 debuted to sales of 140,000 to 180,000 units. Holdover Dynasty Warriors 6 sold through another 15,000 to 19,000 units. PS3 hardware will likely drop a bit (by VGC and Famitsu, MC showed the drop last week) and should be nearly identical to Wii hardware this week – at 30,000 to 45,000 units.

Xbox 360 Software – The only Xbox 360 titles in the preliminary top twenty this week was Winning Eleven 2008 – which sold 7,000 to 10,000 units in its debut. Xbox 360 hardware should be in the 3,000 to 5,000 unit range this week.

PS2 Software – Four titles for PS2 were in the preliminary top twenty this week. Winning Eleven 2008 debuted to sales of 240,000 to 300,000 units. Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess debuted to sales of 92,000 to 102,000 units. A title which does not translate well into English, but involves a Catapult (in some way) sold 34,000 to 38,000 units this week. Lastly, a title known simply as ‘48’ sold 4,000 to 7,000 units this week. PS2 hardware should see a bit of boost this week from Winning Eleven 2008 – to the 10,000 to 15,000 range.

PSP Software – Two titles for PSP were in the preliminary top twenty this week. AIR sold 8,000 to 12,000 units in its debut, while Monster Hunter Portable 2’s incredible run continued with an added 8,000 to 11,000 units sold this week. PSP hardware should remain roughly the same (58,000 to 70,000 units), despite the alarming drop off in software sales since the PSP Slim launch only a few weeks ago.

DS Software – Seven titles for DS (one of which has two versions that appeared in the data) were in the preliminary top twenty this week. The big title for the week was Dragon Quest IV – which debuted to sales of 530,000 to 630,000 units - the highest debut number of any game in Japan since ioi asked me to collect data from this retailer (7 months). Other titles effectively pale in comparison this week on DS, but Dinosaur King debuted to sales of 60,000 to 80,000 units, and Mario Party DS sold another 75,000 to 95,000 units. Mega Man Starforce 2 (both versions combined) debuted to sales of 55,000 to 65,000 units. Another title (which makes no sense when translated into English) sold 24,000 to 28,000 units, while DS Drum Master sold 12,000 to 16,000 units, and Final Fantasy Tactics sold another 10,000 to 14,000 units. DS hardware should be well over 100,000 units again with the release of Dragon Quest IV – likely in the range of 100,000 to 140,000 units.

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=669

[Sephiroth_VII]

PSP Software – Two titles for PSP were in the preliminary top twenty this week. AIR sold 8,000 to 12,000 units in its debut, while Monster Hunter Portable 2’s incredible run continued with an added 8,000 to 11,000 units sold this week. PSP hardware should remain roughly the same (58,000 to 70,000 units), despite the alarming drop off in software sales since the PSP Slim launch only a few weeks ago.

Why won't they release AIR over here, WHY!?

:cry2:

[Hisham]

Phew... I may have stirred a nice conversation here^^

Thing is, what I meant with, for each GT there's FM et al...

Look at the casual gamers. I would consider myself one, as I rarely dive into games often (these days I do more, because I have enough free time and games come in a galore). A casual does not look at everything nook and cranny to see, which console is best to him. He either has already decided (because of a past experience) to buy a certain console, or is going to buy one, because it promises one certain feature, the other may or may not have. A good friend of mine has bought his PS2 solely for GT3... Did he even bother to look at the XBox? No, because his neighbour had a PS1 with GT2... So he was already sold on this specific console. He doesn't need another, because his initial lust was stilled. Later down in the timeline, as gaming is only one of his less intensive hobbys, he may look at XBox games, yet as he already has a PS2, why should he shell out that much cash to buy another console?

Statistics prove my analogy to be right. The grand majority of console buyers usually only owns one console per generation. There are major differences, especially now, as that early into a consoles live, only real gamers and early adopters like us take that deep plunge, which every so slightly emptys our wallets. None of my friends, no matter if hardcore gamer (don't know that many) or casual gamer has bought a next gen console yet (except one, where the GF bought a Wii, and she left him some weeks ago, taking the console with her^^). Some of my friends are considering one (mostly PS3 for them, afaik) for this XMas, and I doubt, that many will buy a second console next year or even the year after.

And then there's also the industry as a whole to put into consideration. There's the official 360 magazine and the official PS3 magazine (dunno if Nintendo Power is still around^^)... These magazines do not talk about games on other systems. There are multiplat magazines, yet compared to the official ones, their sales pale in comparison. This brings me to the point on where would the casual gamer know from, which games come out for the other system. We are avidly looking at gaming sites on the internet and have our forum... They do not. They go into Gamestop and ask for a good racing game on the PS or whatever... Why should they ask for a good racing game on another console, that would be much more expensive! The sales person might point this stuff out, but that's only hypothetical.

Whoa... I think this got a bit out of hand here^^

Brand loyality also is a major factor... And I guess, I AM a Sony fanboy in that regard, because I grew up on that stuff... Guess this comes from my father and his love for a good stereo. He ONLY bought Sony stuff (except for the speakers), the cassette deck, the cd player, the amp... all Sony. The TV, the LP player, the radio tuner... All in black! I grew up on a major Sony monopoly during the 80s (Sony was the first japanese company to set foot on german homeland!). Sony still has this advantage of their name. Their stuff is very good quality (my fathers stereo still works completely, but it is already 15 yrs or so old) and in stores, they still get very prominent places (talking bout tvs and stereos and the like)

Your an exception. Your a smarter poster, and you know your bias. I was talking about the people who attacked me for things like not liking Heavenly Sword, and the like. If people didn't agree with me, I am fine with that, but saying that I am wrong because I don't like a certain game, then that pisses me off.

[Viper]

you just can't let Sony have a scrap of victory can you?... oh well black friday should be a good look into the season.
Oh, I can't huh?


So congrats to PS3 just as X360 the week before it for outselling their sales rival for the week.


I thought I saw this one here before.

No matter. Congrats.


That stood out to me as well.

Congrats to the 3 PS3 AI machine.


So with that, congrats on 1 mil in 9 weeks.


Congrats. I do believe this is faster than the PS2's first million seller.


Congrats Sony. It's amazing how many can sell at a launch when we actually see enough stock to meet initial demand.


Congrats. Of the nominees listed, I agree.


Congrats. The loss of rumble sucks but the addition of tilt, though sly by nature, is a good move none the less.


Congrats to Sony and MS on their online plans

All in the PS3 board and all just by searching the word congrats. There are dozens more positive comments and accolades given but it's amazing how you guys want to only remember the "negative" comments.


+1000000000000

Had it been the Wii there would have been 0 commentary from said person... However since it was the PS3 with superior sales we can let the excuses/hating begin.... :loser::wtf::rant:
What? I can't interject reality in here? I have to allow numbers to float around with no context for their existence?



Question - Have sales picked up since Christmas is coming in general? Or do people start shopping in December - or what? - I think people are more likely to buy a playstation for them self and a wii for someone else but that's just my speculation
Sales have picked up since October. I'll show you the sales for all three in each territory since October plus their monthly average for comparison.

Monthly averages before October:
US:
PS3 - 148k
X360 - 276k
Wii - 446k

Europe:
PS3 - 138k
X360 - 148k
Wii - 293k

Japan:
PS3 - 82k
X360 - 18k
Wii - 295k

Global Monthly average:
PS3 - 368k
X360 - 442k
Wii - 1,034k


October:
US:
PS3 - 153k (5k above average)
X360 - 737k (461k above average. Halo.)
Wii - 598k (152k above average)

Europe:
PS3 - 380k (242k above average. Includes price cuts and new model)
X360 - 282k (134k above average. Also includes cuts and new SKU I believe)
Wii - 488k (195k above average)

Japan:
PS3 - 67k (15k below average)
X360 - 23k (5k above average)
Wii - 127k (168k below average)

Global October:
PS3 - 600k (232k above average)
X360 - 1,042k (600k above average)
Wii - 1,213k (179k above average)


November up to the 18th:
US:
PS - 223k
X360 - 425k
Wii - 545k

Europe:
PS3 - 218k
X360 - 167
Wii - 312k

Japan:
PS3 - 130k
X360 - 30k
Wii - 107k

Global November up to the 18th:
PS3 - 571k
X360 - 622k
Wii - 964k


I don't want to start a new thread for this, but:

And PS2 is still outselling 360 with more than 2.000 consoles, loll!
Solidus beat me to it but that's just the 2nd week. Famitsu, Media Create and VGChartz will all have different numbers since they poll different retail and that can make it look like a new week if you're not careful.


Viper if you post something negative...God help me I will SHRED YOUR SOUL!When are you going to realize what I post isn't negative but simply context? If A then why? If B then why? It's not about it being negative but about how the circumstances came to be.


I heard they only allocated 36,230 Wiis for Japan ;)It was actually about 40k but MC and Famitsu don't poll every retailer. J/K...however, for those who think I'm bullshitting about the allocations, read this. Haven't you guys realized I don't spout shit for no reason yet? Huh? If I say it's due to inventory allocation, I didn't just pull that from my ass.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7965&Itemid=50

"We’re trying to make decisions on almost a weekly basis about which market to ship the product to"

"We’re really trying to follow each market’s performance. We review the performance every couple of weeks and try to have the inventory be as productive as possible, in other words, not to have it sitting in warehouse, but on store shelves."

"That’s why the decisions about what we can actually achieve in the holidays were really affected by inventory that we’ve received already and how we planned to spread that inventory across retailers."

"It’s almost an embarrassment of opportunity in terms of where to place those Wii hardware units."





humm... its not like viper to back down from a chance to WiifendThanksgiving and family took precedent.


That's actually not the third week, it's the same week as the one represented in the beginning of this thread. These are merely Media-Create's numbers while the others are from Famitsu.

They are usually pretty close to each other, but this week there's a vast difference between the two sources...
Thank you for paying attention.


They sell you an ethic, a worldview, a lifestyle that's appealing. Fast car = sex. Taylor guitar = sex. The Wii does not equal sex. (For me) The Wii represents gaming with your (male) buddies, sneaking alcohol and pot in Jimmy Monighan's basement. The Wii isn't aimed at me (yet). The PS3 is. The PS3 = social status which = sex. Even the 360 feels aimed at someone a few years younger than me (my college-age students perhaps). I know it's been pointed out before but did you just equate the PS3 as a status symbol of social acceptance and then being a status symbol of social acceptance with sex? That be the case, why don't we all just cut the middle man and fuck styrofoam Starbucks cups and small toy purse dogs with no hair?

If you want to psychoanalyze videogaming and the 3 consoles, I'm all for it in a different thread but.....the sex equation. Not all sensual stimulation is sexual.


Just a quick run up of germanys sales for the month of November (OCTOBER, you dimwit^^)...

The PS3 outsold the Wii with 37000 to 28000 units. The 360 sold 12000 units. Germany now is at ~172.000 PS3s, 389.000 Wiis and 328.000 360s.

EDIT: I actually meant October^^ Scratch that!
Incorrect.

PS3 - 25,454
X360 - 16,447
Wii - 30,993

What you listed were shipments, not sales.


I dont think its so much Ninty hating as much as its light-hearted jabs at Viper's suggestion that PS3 only outsold Wii b/c of re-allocations. Anyone who takes this as an opportunity to bash another console is an idiot.

And I just proved I was correct. It wasn't a suggestion I made, it was a statement dictated by the current allocation process from Nintendo.



Seems like some of you guys can't handle some reality mixed in with your cheerleading. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but I'm not going to hold my keys back just to appease the rah rah crowd. This is the industry we live in and there are going to be times when shit isn't rosy 24/7 and if you're just eating the whipped cream on top and can't smell the stale old pie, that's your fault. No, I'm not equating the PS3 to a stale old pie. I just means ignoring the whole of reality and accepting only the subjectives that you feel validate your support.

[Media]

That's a fucking dedicated post.

Jesus Christ.

[KRA]

viper you are hurting my feelings...
but cosidering your pain last gen i think you deserve it :)
+rep

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If you want to call Viper out on something, you better be goddamn sure you know what you're talking about.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1195348168780.gif

[Hisham]

Lali with another perfect gif haha.

[dnpmakkah]

November up to the 18th:
US:
PS - 223k
X360 - 425k
Wii - 545k


That equates to about 13 PS3 sold every day across the entire U.S for the 18 days in November. Think about it, you have huge cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Miami etc and only 13 PS3 are sold daily. Damn when you think of it like that, that's an awful number. Going by Vipers numbers it looks like the PS3 is going to be in the 300K range for November in the US. That's pretty bad.

[Viper]

See that "k" after each number. That means 1,000. So 223k would mean 223,000. Or a little more than 12,000 sold per day.

[cliffbo]

LOLOL!!! only 13 a day! Sony are Doooooomed... (should i have put a 'the' in there somewhere?) lol

[Segitz]

Incorrect.

PS3 - 25,454
X360 - 16,447
Wii - 30,993

What you listed were shipments, not sales.


What I listed where sales, reported by GFK!!!

German Source (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/99497)

Googlified Version (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker %2Fmeldung%2F99497&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

They don't state what kind of numbers these are, but I think, the GFK numbers are the same as the NPD numbers in the US.

[Viper]

My understanding is that GfK has underrepresented the Wii every reporting period due to retailers they poll. Similar to how NPD just admitted they will be underreporting Wii, DS and PS2 sales because they'll no longer track Toys R Us.


I'll see if I can find the link for GfK to back that up. Here's the one for Wii, DS and PS2 from NPD (http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-defends-integrity-of-its-video-game-data/18586/).

[jaxmkii]

That's a fucking dedicated post.

Jesus Christ. lol i would almost say crazed...

BTW i just observed over 100 sold in one day just from the small cross section of torrington CTs retail. i can only imagine what it will be if this is wide spread.

[cliffbo]

MONDAY, 26 NOVEMBER 2007 - 16:07 GMT
Japan gets excited about PS3 games
Story By Mark Podd
Four of the Famitsu top ten most wanted on PS3
The PS3 has received another boost in its homeland, after four PS3 games featured in the top ten most wanted games in Famitsu.

Although it was DS game Dragon Quest IX that took top spot, it was trailed home by Final Fantasy XIII, Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 in second, third and fourth respectively.

These were joined by the PS3 version of Devil May Cry 4 in ninth spot, with The Last Remnant (14), White Knight Story (15) and Final Fantasy Versus XIII (18) also making appearances in the top 20.

By contrast, the Wii and 360 could only manage one game each in the top ten. Smash Bros Brawl was fifth, while Mistwalker’s Lost Odyssey came in seventh. Monster Hunter 3 (Wii) finished 11th.

Even the usually dominant handhelds have been shown up somewhat: the usually rampant DS managed four entries in the top ten, while the PSP had but one game in the top 20.

Whether this will translate into a huge increase in sales is open to debate, however. The chart itself is compiled using votes cast by Famitsu’s readers rather than taking a representative cross section of the games market itself.

On the whole though, it seems things are on the up for the PS3 in Japan, which we’re sure will keep its fans happy. Or at least, give people on forums more stuff to argue about.

Here’s the top 20 in full (with the number of votes cast in brackets):

01. Dragon Quest IX (DS, 2,544)
02. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, 2,525)
03. Resident Evil 5 (PS3, 1,894)
04. Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3, 1,498)
05. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii, 1,327)
06. Dragon Quest IV (DS, 1,018)
07. Lost Odyssey (360, 998)
08. Dragon Quest VI (DS, 973)
09. Devil May Cry 4 (PS3, 861)
10. Final Fantasy VI (DS, 818)
11. Monster Hunter 3 (Wii, 743)
12. Layton Kyouju to Akuma no Hako (DS, 737),br> 13. Super Robot Taisen Original Generation Gaiden (PS2, 724)
14. The Last Remnant (PS3, 701)
15. White Knight Story (PS3, 690)
16. Animal Crossing (Wii, 652)
17. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP, 652)
18. Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PS3, 586)
19. Dragon Quest V (DS, 566)
20. SD Gundam (PS2, 562)
Tell The World:

http://www.gamer.tm/news.asp?id=1783

[Viper]

Cliff, that's been this way for almost a year now.

[dnpmakkah]

See that "k" after each number. That means 1,000. So 223k would mean 223,000. Or a little more than 12,000 sold per day.Sorry I meant roughly 13K per day. Still not that great given it's November and lots of cash being spent. I thought it would be more.

[frosty]

My understanding is that GfK has underrepresented the Wii every reporting period due to retailers they poll. Similar to how NPD just admitted they will be underreporting Wii, DS and PS2 sales because they'll no longer track Toys R Us.

Why just the Wii? would that not affect the PS3 as well?


That equates to about 13 PS3 sold every day across the entire U.S for the 18 days in November. Think about it, you have huge cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Miami etc and only 13 PS3 are sold daily. Damn when you think of it like that, that's an awful number. Going by Vipers numbers it looks like the PS3 is going to be in the 300K range for November in the US. That's pretty bad.

Do those weekly numbers not show almost that much moved in a week?

[Viper]

Frosty, Toys R Us has stated in the past that Wii, DS and PS2 sells far higher than the PS3 and X360 at their stores. The loss of PS3 sales is much more minimal than the loss of sales for the other 3.

[cliffbo]

VGChartz - European Charts for Week Ending 25th November 2007

Meus Renaissance - contributor - Tipsed by: Marty8370
Published: 6 minutes ago | News | PlayStation 3 | Xbox 360 | Wii | Sony PSP | Nintendo DS | PlayStation 2 | Industry News
Info Report
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Despite a lacklustre performance from Sony in the software sales in Europe, it seems that they're doing pretty well in the hardware department, if you were to believe the latest figures from VGChartz. Yet it isn't the PS3, Wii or Xbox 360 that raises a few eyebrows.

Japanese sales:

PS3: 56,566 (-1&#37;)
Wii: 33,020 (-6%)

hit the jump for the European figures

http://vgchartz.com/eweekly.php

[Viper]

Cliff, what the hell kind of Sony Defense Force post is that?

You talk European numbers in the headline and in your comment yet the only figures you have displayed are the Japanese numbers from the previous week and your link is Japan too.



Actual Euro numbers:



Console Weekly Total
DS - 430,089 19,200,251
Wii - 172,852 4,337,843
PS2 - 117,898 44,799,111
PS3 - 100,168 2,298,243
PSP - 82,915 9,707,205
X360 - 69,799 4,356,975
GBA - 9,078 21,324,345

[Khaos]

After these posts by Viper, I very much want to get a certain operation that will allow me to mother his children.

Anyway, let's see if Sony can keep up their pace in Japan this week!

[cliffbo]

Cliff, what the hell kind of Sony Defense Force post is that?

You talk European numbers in the headline and in your comment yet the only figures you have displayed are the Japanese numbers from the previous week and your link is Japan too.



Actual Euro numbers:



Console Weekly Total
DS - 430,089 19,200,251
Wii - 172,852 4,337,843
PS2 - 117,898 44,799,111
PS3 - 100,168 2,298,243
PSP - 82,915 9,707,205
X360 - 69,799 4,356,975
GBA - 9,078 21,324,345


it's not a 'defence' force!? i'm just posting news and got the links mixed up

[dnpmakkah]

^ Your avatar is distrubing man.

[KRA]

what a stupid threads...
i can't stand viper throwing those numbers at me from his posts all the time...
and how he enjoys it ;)
stop giving him the reasons hehe

[OmniStalgic]

The system war thing is really getting old:shrug:

I think Wii sucked moNKEY Ballz when it released!! It was GC games with a new controller scheme!

I still don't think it's even that enjoyable. I'd play the new Metroid for a few hours and then probably get bored with it. and the new Mario looks like Sunshine again, with just a new controller scheme. The only game that I'm like "Damn, wish I had a Wii" is Smash brothers.

Why am I saying that? Because there's a bunch of people that are like "WHOA--I'm jumping and flying Mario all over the place just by shaking my arm!!!" lol...

There' some people that don't care how deep MGS story is, or how close Uncharted gets to an actual film. It's just everyone's preference. Somethings are boring to some, and fantastic to others. I just don't see why we still have such long discussions on what sells here and what sells there. Who likes this and who likes that.

I should be able to say "Man, that Mario game is Whack" and Viper not get offended by it.

I won't be offended if someone says "Sony games are whack, if i want a story, I goto the freakin movies...:duh:"

This is just stuipd...

Now, let's just let Viper post some more numbers, be happy that more people are getting PS3's. DON'T EVER SAY PS3 isn't competing with Wii (just because Ninty made a less-expensive console doesn't mean there not competing) play the games you like, and see how this console war turns out.

Either way, it looks like all three companies will at least be successful enough to make another console--so shut yo face with the school girl bickering:rant:

I do hope MS gives up and just gives Sony Halo:drool:

:lol:

[masteratt]

I do hope MS gives up
Yes!


and just gives Sony Halo
Ew, no.

:p

Nice and peaceful/ natural post as always Omni :thumpsup:

[cliffbo]

The system war thing is really getting old

I think Wii sucked moNKEY Ballz when it released!! It was GC games with a new controller scheme!

I still don't think it's even that enjoyable. I'd play the new Metroid for a few hours and then probably get bored with it. and the new Mario looks like Sunshine again, with just a new controller scheme. The only game that I'm like "Damn, wish I had a Wii" is Smash brothers.

Why am I saying that? Because there's a bunch of people that are like "WHOA--I'm jumping and flying Mario all over the place just by shaking my arm!!!" lol...

There' some people that don't care how deep MGS story is, or how close Uncharted gets to an actual film. It's just everyone's preference. Somethings are boring to some, and fantastic to others. I just don't see why we still have such long discussions on what sells here and what sells there. Who likes this and who likes that.

I should be able to say "Man, that Mario game is Whack" and Viper not get offended by it.

I won't be offended if someone says "Sony games are whack, if i want a story, I goto the freakin movies..."

This is just stuipd...

Now, let's just let Viper post some more numbers, be happy that more people are getting PS3's. DON'T EVER SAY PS3 isn't competing with Wii (just because Ninty made a less-expensive console doesn't mean there not competing) play the games you like, and see how this console war turns out.

Either way, it looks like all three companies will at least be successful enough to make another console--so shut yo face with the school girl bickering

I do hope MS gives up and just gives Sony Halo



Halo sucks!

[Segitz]

Why just the Wii? would that not affect the PS3 as well?



Do those weekly numbers not show almost that much moved in a week?

Well, those consoles are cheaper and thus a younger audience is possible (younger children don't want expensive consoles, at least they should not^^), so as Toys R Us (in Germany it being a store for the very young up to maybe 14 or such) is a kids store, the expensive consoles don't sell there that much, but the cheap do.

At least that's how I would explain it.

And this is why none of those analysts can ever post absolute correct numbers week to week, as they would have to check every store there is.

[cliffbo]

Well, those consoles are cheaper and thus a younger audience is possible (younger children don't want expensive consoles, at least they should not^^), so as Toys R Us (in Germany it being a store for the very young up to maybe 14 or such) is a kids store, the expensive consoles don't sell there that much, but the cheap do.

At least that's how I would explain it.

And this is why none of those analysts can ever post absolute correct numbers week to week, as they would have to check every store there is.

a good Christmas for the PS2 then...

[Khaos]

The system war thing is really getting old:shrug:

I think Wii sucked moNKEY Ballz when it released!! It was GC games with a new controller scheme!

I still don't think it's even that enjoyable. I'd play the new Metroid for a few hours and then probably get bored with it. and the new Mario looks like Sunshine again, with just a new controller scheme. The only game that I'm like "Damn, wish I had a Wii" is Smash brothers.

Why am I saying that? Because there's a bunch of people that are like "WHOA--I'm jumping and flying Mario all over the place just by shaking my arm!!!" lol...

There' some people that don't care how deep MGS story is, or how close Uncharted gets to an actual film. It's just everyone's preference. Somethings are boring to some, and fantastic to others. I just don't see why we still have such long discussions on what sells here and what sells there. Who likes this and who likes that.

I should be able to say "Man, that Mario game is Whack" and Viper not get offended by it.

I won't be offended if someone says "Sony games are whack, if i want a story, I goto the freakin movies...:duh:"

This is just stuipd...

Now, let's just let Viper post some more numbers, be happy that more people are getting PS3's. DON'T EVER SAY PS3 isn't competing with Wii (just because Ninty made a less-expensive console doesn't mean there not competing) play the games you like, and see how this console war turns out.

Either way, it looks like all three companies will at least be successful enough to make another console--so shut yo face with the school girl bickering:rant:

I do hope MS gives up and just gives Sony Halo:drool:

:lol:

All I have to say is that it sounds like you're judging some books by their covers. Why not play the games before you pass judgement upon them? Metroid Prime 3 was so amazing that I almost had to cry in awe of it. ;-] Before you say "Man, that Mario game is Whack," atleast have played it first so you can make that judgement.

[dnpmakkah]

I'm starting to think Wii sales are somewhat hurting the PS3. I know a lot of moms who would have bought their kids a PS3 when it hit $300 bucks or lower but now that the Wii is the 'cool' toy they just went with it instead. IMO the 360 is still considered hardcore and moms wouldn't have considered it much anyways but the PS3, well thats a different story.

[Segitz]

a good Christmas for the PS2 then...

That's not exactly what I meant, but theoretically, if there were to stores, right. Both had all three consoles to the same conditions and parents go shopping for their 10 year old son. Where do you think, they'll buy their son a Wii? Surely at Toys, because the parents are more likely to already know that place from previous shopping tours for their kid.


And then again, yes I think the PS2 will still have a good christmas this year. Mostly in Europe, because we got a new Sing Star bundle here for 170€ or somesuch.

My mum goes to a Bruce Springsteen concert for Xmas^^ (some days before Xmas actually) So I have the complete house for myself for several days of party :P (dunno why I mentioned this now though^^)

[curryking1]

All I have to say is that it sounds like you're judging some books by their covers. Why not play the games before you pass judgement upon them? Metroid Prime 3 was so amazing that I almost had to cry in awe of it. ;-] Before you say "Man, that Mario game is Whack," atleast have played it first so you can make that judgement.

I think he made it pretty clear what his preference was, he did give examples of what his taste is. Stuff like MGS4 where it's the wicked story and how Uncharted moves gaming closer to a film like experience that you can play. And stuff like Halo that is awesome action gaming to him.

He didn't say the other stuff is whack, he just said it's not for him.

He's trying to say if someone else is like 'ah I don't like this' he wants people to not respond and interrogate why. Which is exactly what you did. Because that's just the way it is, people like different stuff.

Read his post again :)

[Viper]

I think he made it pretty clear what his preference was, he did give examples of what his taste is. Stuff like MGS4 where it's the wicked story and how Uncharted moves gaming closer to a film like experience that you can play. And stuff like Halo that is awesome action gaming to him.

He didn't say the other stuff is whack, he just said it's not for him.

He's trying to say if someone else is like 'ah I don't like this' he wants people to not respond and interrogate why. Which is exactly what you did. Because that's just the way it is, people like different stuff.

Read his post again :)

But we haven't always had games with a film like experience and not all games are MGS story driven so I doubt he's limiting himself that much and enjoyed plenty of games that had neither of those qualities in the past.

[VideoGame mania]

MS should stay alive, this way Sony will try do things better.
They screwed up first 10 months all by themselves, but they're learning quickly.
Lately I've been seeing better commercials and price drops from Sony.
Without competition this industry would suck. I wanna see good fight not monopoly from one side. If people had accepted the Ps3 at $600 the next gen would have risen prices even higher. My prediction the next gen systems won't cost more than $400. People ain't that stupid.

[EvilTaru]

MS should stay alive, this way Sony will try do things better.
They screwed up first 10 months all by themselves, but they're learning quickly.
Lately I've been seeing better commercials and price drops from Sony.
Without competition this industry would suck. I wanna see good fight not monopoly from one side. If people had accepted the Ps3 at $600 the next gen would have risen prices even higher. My prediction the next gen systems won't cost more than $400. People ain't that stupid.

I would rather if MS just leaves the console business, there are way too many platforms splitting developers and forcing developers to make multiplatform titles, it's not viable. Winning Eleven sold like 100k in Japan on the PS3 and like 4k on the 360, but essentially it costs Konami MORE money to make TWO versions of the same damn game, with little to no extra payoffs. Don't forget without MS we might not even have the tech driven so high, essentially the console maker is giving away hardware just to get a chance to sell you software, it's insane.

[Viper]

EvilTaru, it's been stated by many publishers that it only takes an extra 10&#37; of the development cost to make it multiplatform and you get around 50% more in revenue.

Just thought I'd point that out.

[Hisham]

I think three systems is too much too. I was sorta glad that sega backed out because then it would be four consoles this gen. But with that being said, people don't give MS enough credit. They did do somethings right, like setting up an online service better than anybody else and improving it greatly with the 360. If it had just been Nintendo and Sony, I would be guessing PSN wouldn't exist in the same way that it does now.

[Theo]

With all this sale figure discussion going on, I want to ask something even though it's not directly connected to sale numbers... Well, what I have been wondering about is the actual money made or lost in this console business. I mean I'm assuming Sony is still losing money with every ps3 unit sold and trying to make profit from the software as it is now. But what about the ps2 and psp? Sony should have been doing serious money with those two for a good amount of time especially with the ps2, but how much exactly? I'm very intrested about MS and Nintendo as well. MS lost money massively with xbox, or so they say, but I have absolutely no idea about how the 360 is doing. And what about Nintendo? Again, I have gotten this idea in my head they have made and are making good business with their consoles, but in reality I don't know for sure...

Now is there some actual numbers released regarding this or is it all estimations? Viper, do you have any information about this? I would like to see some numbers :). Anyhow, if there is no factual information I would like to read thoughts of the ones who know about these things to come up with a estimation of how much profit is lost and made as I have no idea of the production costs etc..

[frosty]

Ninty always comes out on top, because they never make a "cutting edge" system so to speak (N64 was their last attempt at this). They always go for the middle (or in wii's case the bottom) as far as power goes, and always seem to sell their systems at a profit from the start. While I feel Wii would be completely untouchable if they had simply sold Wii at cost with no profit and used the extra cash to put a better GPU and maybe more memory in it, they are still doing very good making roughly $50 per system from the start. Problem is the system is dated and no matter how much you deny it, it is hurting it's sales (most people I know don't want a wii for that reason).

[Diresu]

EvilTaru, it's been stated by many publishers that it only takes an extra 10% of the development cost to make it multiplatform and you get around 50% more in revenue.

Just thought I'd point that out.

and 90% more of the screwups.

[Viper]

With all this sale figure discussion going on, I want to ask something even though it's not directly connected to sale numbers... Well, what I have been wondering about is the actual money made or lost in this console business. I mean I'm assuming Sony is still losing money with every ps3 unit sold and trying to make profit from the software as it is now. But what about the ps2 and psp? Sony should have been doing serious money with those two for a good amount of time especially with the ps2, but how much exactly? I'm very intrested about MS and Nintendo as well. MS lost money massively with xbox, or so they say, but I have absolutely no idea about how the 360 is doing. And what about Nintendo? Again, I have gotten this idea in my head they have made and are making good business with their consoles, but in reality I don't know for sure...

Now is there some actual numbers released regarding this or is it all estimations? Viper, do you have any information about this? I would like to see some numbers :). Anyhow, if there is no factual information I would like to read thoughts of the ones who know about these things to come up with a estimation of how much profit is lost and made as I have no idea of the production costs etc..
The game companies do not breakdown their revenue or profits by each console and usually not even by hardware/software so it's tough to say just what actually lead to this big money or that big loss sometimes.

From the PS2 launch until 2006, Sony games division made about $2 billion in profit. It's surprisingly low for some people but the figures can be followed. Since 2006, Sony has lost $2.98 billion. This actually erases all the profit generated from the entire PS2 era.

MS has lost between $4-6 billion on the Xbox depending on the source you ask. Since 2004, they've lost $3.36 billion.

Since 2004, Nintendo has made $5 billion in profit.

[dnpmakkah]

Sony right now is not in a good place specially since software sales are lacking. Nintendo is like the little engine that could and Microsoft...well if they were any other company they would have been in a much worse spot fortunetly for them they can withstand such loses.

[curryking1]

But we haven't always had games with a film like experience and not all games are MGS story driven so I doubt he's limiting himself that much and enjoyed plenty of games that had neither of those qualities in the past.

I didn't say he doesn't like other games entirely, just that's what he was saying that's one style that he really, really enjoys and that draws him to those kinds of games.

Were you expecting me to describe all of Omni's draws to videogames? He just mentioned his, I'm assuming, favourite one.

And I'd argue that we've had film like experiences advancing for a long time. Many PS1 games, and especially FF VII, were a huge step for such an experience just because of them having FMVs and having absurdly well detailed backgrounds. FF is one example of course as well including other titles like the Resident Evil series.

The PS1 provided experiences that really pushed the envelope in that direction, and similarly are a lot of PS3 games in more intangible methods like animation and acting.

^That's a SICK avatar dnp, nice! :)

[Khaos]

Problem is the system is dated and no matter how much you deny it, it is hurting it's sales (most people I know don't want a wii for that reason).

Oh the parts are new; the CPU and GPU were specially designed. As far as I'm concerned, people who play games solely because they look pretty are idiots. Read here: I am not saying "Olol, deez graphix are stupid and any1 who even lieks graphix even alittle bit is an idiot." Anyway, sales don't seem to be hurting at all, with the Wii being the fastest selling console in... well, ever.

[Fats]

The lack of graphical horsepower isn't hurting Wii sales at all in my opinion.

[PSXBatou]

The lack of graphical horsepower isn't hurting Wii sales at all in my opinion.

Do you still have your PS3 Fats? I never see you logged in anymore.

[frosty]

The lack of graphical horsepower isn't hurting Wii sales at all in my opinion.

So you mean to tell me that if wii had comparable visuals and such to a 360 that it wouldn't have sold more units?


Oh the parts are new; the CPU and GPU were specially designed. As far as I'm concerned, people who play games solely because they look pretty are idiots. Read here: I am not saying "Olol, deez graphix are stupid and any1 who even lieks graphix even alittle bit is an idiot." Anyway, sales don't seem to be hurting at all, with the Wii being the fastest selling console in... well, ever.

specially designed to not even be able to top the best looking xbox game. see: far cry, or if you want to blame that craptastic port on the devs, look at riddick. nothing wii has tops those games visually. Wii can't even match the sound output of the original xbox, it had DTS 5.1, wii has pro logic fake surround. and few people play games solely because of looks (unless you're milr), but for many a new controller isn't enough to justify buying a new system. I'm one of those. I want upgrades all around. not just over the gamecube either, over all of the previous gen systems. wii has yet to provide that. so though there may be millions upon millions eating wii up, there are also millions like myself who sided with one of the other systems because Wii couldn't provide what we were looking for. So yes, it has hurt it's sales. Wii would be totally dominating the other 2 (by more than just a few million, we're talking 3-4x the sales, maybe more than that) if it were able to close that audio/visual gap just a little more than it has.

[curryking1]

I wouldn't say it's hurting the Wii sales either, but I would agree that if it did have crazy hardware it would sell better.

Even still, I don't think it would sell that much better.

[frosty]

you can dress it how you like, it is hurting sales. every xbox 360 or ps3 sold to a consumer that only wants one console is a loss to wii, so it's sales are hurt.

and i totally disagree with your last comment, right now it's selling to mostly kids and the non 18-35 year old male demographic. that's a huge demographic that isn't being tapped by wii, and if it had the power and games to tap into that it's sales would skyrocket way above where that are even now. if I could play a decent port of unreal tournament 3 on wii (even if it had to be played at SD res to keep the price the same) I wouldn't have bought a ps3. wii just can't handle those games, and those are the games me and those in my demographic want to play.

[curryking1]

Well firstly, I'd want to actually see how well it's selling to the 18-35 demographic, that seems to be the first and foremost part of your argument; that it's leaving a gaping hole there and because of that it's cutting into sales badly.

And if it is really a big hole there, I wonder if maybe later they will pick it up. It'd be interesting to see some numbers there at least, and compare the portion of the 18-35 male population makes up the Wii user base and how much of the 18-35 userbase has a Wii.

[Khaos]

and i totally disagree with your last comment, right now it's selling to mostly kids and the non 18-35 year old male demographic.

If you could back that up with sources, I would be very much thankful.


specially designed to not even be able to top the best looking xbox game. see: far cry, or if you want to blame that craptastic port on the devs, look at riddick. nothing wii has tops those games visually. Wii can't even match the sound output of the original xbox, it had DTS 5.1, wii has pro logic fake surround.

If you only buy games with expansive enviroments, high polygon counts, and DTS 5.1, then Wii isn't for you, you're correct. I can sympathize with you not being attracted to some of the Wii's library, but there are several games out already that I would definitely categorize in the "melt-yer-face-off awesome" category.

[frosty]

If you only buy games with expansive enviroments, high polygon counts, and DTS 5.1, then Wii isn't for you,

or fast framerates, 32-40 player edge-of-your-seat online play, downloadable content, custom mods, cinematic motion capture animation both in game and during cutscenes, battles with thousands of people on screen at once... wii just isn't as good of an action game console all around. these are the games that the 18-35 year old male demographic like to play, and that is why I don't even need to cite any sources. all you have to do is look at the library, or go to a best buy and see who is picking up what systems. you don't see halos, warhawks, unreals, etc. on the wii.

i'm not bashing it, but simply pointing out that it caters (due to it's specs mostly) to a different demographic. and if it had included the horsepower to handle these games, it would be able to capture both and would be putting sony and MS out of business right now.

that said, it could still pull off some impressive stuff if ninty would get it's online setup in gear. look at what socom did for ps2, and ps2 has one of the worst online setups of any online enabled console ever released.

[Jay Gee]

Viper, what are the software sales of the Wii in comparison to hardware? Is the attachment ratio impressive? What games other than RE4 Wii edition have hit million seller status in a short time?

[curryking1]

Frosty, those online and framerate ones aren't as fair. We know very well that the Wii has enough under the hood to deliver good online gaming (I can't think of the name of the game that's a good example, is it MOH?) and the framerate thing is a per game and per development basis. Framerates are dependent on how the dev develops the game on a particular hardware, not the hardware itself.

I'm only disagreeing with those two points btw. And I do agree that less horsepower of course has it's drawbacks like the other ones you named, but I don't think with a Cell or Tri-Core processor and some 7600-7800 esque GPU it wouldn't be doing far better.

Your main idea I already posted about I think. But the reason I think it is because of two things.

1) The price of the Wii would be far higher with those things, comparable to the 360, maybe inbetween it and the PS3, and I'm pretty confident that would hurt sales more than a lacking in graphical fidelity, especially to start.

2) I think in the long run Nintendo realises that this 18-35 demographic is both going to be eclipsed and then eventually spilled into with such high sales and software support.

And I think they also realise that either way, years 3, 4 and 5 are going to provide sales that are reminiscent of the PS1 or PS2 years 3, 4 and 5.

I mean, the PS2 even hasn't really hit the whole American mainstream yet. I think that's the aim of the Wii. Regardless of what the Wii misses at first, it will make up for in the mainstream and then some. 150 million Wii's out there in 10 years doesn't seem that farfetched to me if Nintendo can maintain the appropriate mindset that is selling the Wii now.

I think they've been really smart, it's almost like some crazy damn blitzkrieg tactic or something. Not that I actually know what that is, but it sounds strong, and that's what Ninty's been.

[frosty]

price wise, I'm talking about if ninty were to take say, a $100 hit per system at launch rather than profiting immediately from it like they have now. It wouldn't be a ps3 or a 360, but it would be close enough to where at it's price point it wouldn't matter as it would still be able to run most of the games on those systems (albeit at SD res). The online comments could be fixed (as I stated) but as of now wii's online simply sucks.

[curryking1]

^That's the thing I also differ in opinion about. I think Ninty realises they don't need to have a system that requires them to lose money to start at just a good and even say better than average console start in terms of rate of sales. They have a current business model that allows them to make profit right away and get amazing sales to start.

That's really their business ethic, and it's a good one really. It's like why take a hit for a year when you can make profit at the beginning and get more profit in the end as well? I think that's what they think, that this is going to serve them far better than even a slightly more expensive system or one that is priced the same and they take a $100 hit on.

[frosty]

or would it? will wii's sales keep pace? or will it begin to show it's age (as in it's dated tech) as the generation moves forward and will it's sales slow? there's a lot of uncertainty there. especially if the other 2 start coming up with creative ways to exploit their system's horsepower (think eye 3 and way beyond).

[woundingchaney]

Given that the demand for the system seems to be non-stop I personally dont give much credit to predictions stating that the console is going to "fizzle out". It seems that the majority of potential consumers dont care about online, BD, HD graphics, 5.1/7.1, or anything even remotely along those lines.

[curryking1]

^Definitely.

I think gamers (even me) are conditioned to think that hardware advancement is necessary. But it seems that all other consumers just want this thing that plays some sick games and that it's the newest model of machine (no relation to new tech).

[Viper]

if I could play a decent port of unreal tournament 3 on wii (even if it had to be played at SD res to keep the price the same) I wouldn't have bought a ps3. wii just can't handle those games, and those are the games me and those in my demographic want to play.
You do know that the UE3 engine is now under development by a 3rd party for Wii, don't you? That's right. The impossible to handle engine on Wii is on its way.


or fast framerates, 32-40 player edge-of-your-seat online play, downloadable content, custom mods, cinematic motion capture animation both in game and during cutscenes, battles with thousands of people on screen at once..How do you mean it doesn't have fast framerates? 60 fps is in several games including the 32 player online MOH: Heroes 2. Downloadable content is on the way and cinematic motion capture doesn't have anything to really do with the hardware but the animation capturing methods.


Viper, what are the software sales of the Wii in comparison to hardware? Is the attachment ratio impressive? What games other than RE4 Wii edition have hit million seller status in a short time?

Attach rate is 4.9969.

SMG hit 1 million in its first week. Guitar Hero III will be there once it hits Europe. Most of the million selling launch window titles hit 1 million pretty quickly.

[curryking1]

Dammit, I knew it was MOH!

[BluBoi]

I didn't even know any of the Wii games had online lol. My Wii hasn't gotten much attention lately but I think I'll give MOH a rent. I'm saving Mario and Metroid for Christmas.

Viper what is the PS3's attach ratio? I would hope it's better than the Wii's since many of its owners are actual gamers.

[Viper]

I didn't even know any of the Wii games had online lol. My Wii hasn't gotten much attention lately but I think I'll give MOH a rent. I'm saving Mario and Metroid for Christmas.

Viper what is the PS3's attach ratio? I would hope it's better than the Wii's since many of its owners are actual gamers.

Sony didn't offer up actual software sales in their last financial report so I've had to extrapolate the numbers and they're right in line with previous quarters so I'd say it's quite accurate.

PS3 - 5.1


And just because someone will eventually ask, you'd have to ask MS about the X360 as they've never given software sales totals for X360 but I've read it's pretty high as in the upper 6 range.

[Hisham]

Nintendo systems have always had low attachment rates haven't they? I remember on the GC, third party games always would sell less then the first party games, regardless of how good they were.

[Viper]

Nintendo systems have always had low attachment rates haven't they? I remember on the GC, third party games always would sell less then the first party games, regardless of how good they were.

The Wii is doing far better than the GC did in both regards.


Hmmm, a lot of this talk can be done in the Black Friday thread. This one is about Japan and PS3's current run of success.

[Segitz]

You do know that the UE3 engine is now under development by a 3rd party for Wii, don't you? That's right. The impossible to handle engine on Wii is on its way.


So what?

The Doom Engine could surely be tailored to run on the C64, but would it equal in a good game? I surely doubt that

They just do it, so that they can earn money by it, not because it makes sense. The Wiis GPU has no hardware shaders and is severely lacking in other areas. An engine port news is just completely uninteresting for any of us. I even doubt, that I would look any different than UE2 games

[Viper]

You missed the point. Frosty wanted an SD version of UT3 and it just so happens a 3rd party is porting the UE3 to the Wii. The engine that powers UT3 so it opens a door previously thought permanently shut.

You're speculating what it can and can't do, what it will and will not look like, whether it will make a good game or not while not giving any credit for the fact that the tool set itself is capable of running on Wii.

The engine itself surely doesn't dictate the graphical quality of the game itself not whether the game will even be good at all but it's the sheer fact that what was previously supposed as an inherent impossibility due to the Wii hardware is now becoming a reality.

Will it look like an SD version of the currently scheduled for release title? No, but porting it down to Wii would be a far easier process, and plausible for that matter, than before.

[Segitz]

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough^^

I don't see a sense in porting the engine to the Wii, at least not a real one beside for Epic making money.

The UE2 can use all of the Wiis featureset already, so why make something new that can do the same but is called differently?

And porting UE3 titles to the Wii? I highly doubt that, even if it could render the same size of stuff as the PS3, 360 and PC. I mean, a port would force the devs to redo all of the assets, ALL of them. It is just not realistic. The other way round would work perhaps, but to what end? The controls are too different for a Wii game to work on the other systems.

Could you imagine a port of Bioshock or Rainbow Six Vegas on the Wii? I certainly can't. I mean, take away all shaders and then look at Bioshock^^ It would be a horrible horrible mess, even if the rest was still in order (which it wouldn't be for that matter). They could use the TEVs to simulate all that stuff, but would it really make sense? I doubt that.

[Viper]

I said a 3rd party is doing it, not Epic. Epic has their hands full at the moment and will for a while so a 3rd party is doing it. UE2 was ported back at launch and didn't push the system according to the dev.

Also, how do you know that a UE3 Wii toolset will simply be UE2 with a different name? Are you dev?

I didn't say that things wouldn't have to be scaled back. I already know most assets wouldn't be able to be simply scaled down but with the engine in place it wouldn't take nearly as much to redo them. Geometry can be taken away quickly, textures can be formatted into a lower resolution, game physics adjusted, etc...

Funny, I get blasted for supposedly never letting PS3 have a victory yet the tables don't work the same way.

[Smokey]

come on people we should all love & be merry :)

[Segitz]

Seems like we still don't speak the same language^^

When I said featureset, I meant using the console and what it can do, and UE2 can do what the Wii can do, as it can do the same stuff the GC can do, only a little faster (simplified, but more or less true).

I am not blasting you^^ I just find the notion of UE3 being ported to the Wii a joke, that's all. I am no dev, and I don't want to be one, tbh, but still, I have extensive knowledge in these things.

Even if a third party ports the engine, still someone must have endored this... And the only owner of the UE3 is Epic, which in turn profit from this.

I didn't mean UE3 toolset will be the same, I said UE2 supports all what the Wii can do already. The toolset is something completely different and was never mentioned in my posts, iirc.

And that the UE2 never pushed the system is purely idiotic. It may not use all of what the Wii can do, but it surely can max out the Wii pretty easily. This could be remedied by adding stuff to UE2 instead of porting the whole engine. I think this would be the easier way to go.

And, I never blasted you for "protecting the Wii and being biased against the PS3", I never commented on any of this^^ I only posted the GFK numbers I read on Heise.


And then there's "lowering geometry" and all that stuff. It is not that easy I am afraid. There's much more stuff to consider. Like AI or the size of a level and the like. There's only so much the Wii can chew on. (not to bash the Wii here, but it is not as powerful as the rest) If a game level like the endgame stuff in HS would have to be ported to the Wii, it would just not work, even if you lowered the geometry and textures, because there's too much stuff needed to make such a scene work (a bit farfetched, but I think you know what I mean). And then there's the artistic value that will suffer with it. Lowering all the fidelity changes how something looks, so the art department needs to redo much stuff. (this is generally speaking, not just UE3 but PS3/360 to Wii ports. I do not think it is really commercially viable to do so as such a port work cost much money).

[Theo]

The game companies do not breakdown their revenue or profits by each console and usually not even by hardware/software so it's tough to say just what actually lead to this big money or that big loss sometimes.

From the PS2 launch until 2006, Sony games division made about $2 billion in profit. It's surprisingly low for some people but the figures can be followed. Since 2006, Sony has lost $2.98 billion. This actually erases all the profit generated from the entire PS2 era.

MS has lost between $4-6 billion on the Xbox depending on the source you ask. Since 2004, they've lost $3.36 billion.

Since 2004, Nintendo has made $5 billion in profit.


I see. It's quite wierd to me to be honest. I'm sure MS is able to keep it going while losing billions (what ever the point is), but what about Sony? It seems a bit risky to say at least IMO. The ps3 sure is expensive lol and by that I don't mean for the consumers this time...Well I guess they know what they are doing, but I wonder how fast will Sony be able to turn the ps3 profitable as it still keeps making losses insted of profit I believe. Nintendo seems to be doing more that fine thugh :). I have more respect for MS and especially Sony for risking their money for the sake of pushing things forward and creating more powerful systems and for selling those advanced systems at loss (for some time line at least) for the consumers.

[KRA]

come on people we should all love & be merry :)

hey smokey nice fringe !
and yes wii is the greatest piece of hardware.
it can run ue3 engine and anything! so stop the crap.
i really hate to read in the mornig what wii is capable of...

it really isn't like... some people was so unhappy last gen because lack of nintendo success
that now when it sells great they just refuse to think and are out of their mind.
and they would act likke that no matter how shitty nintendo console would be.
it seems everything that matters is that it sells and numbers...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Was that sarcasm?

[Fazares]

.

Could you imagine a port of Bioshock or Rainbow Six Vegas on the Wii? I certainly can't. I mean, take away all shaders and then look at Bioshock^^ It would be a horrible horrible mess, even if the rest was still in order (which it wouldn't be for that matter). They could use the TEVs to simulate all that stuff, but would it really make sense? I doubt that.
i was of the same advice before i played smg...u gotta see how good is the shading on mario and bowsers chars models....for example....
way above anything a current gen console could achieve....

[frosty]

no, not the xbox. it actually had some impressive shader capabilities. look at riddick.

[cliffbo]

The lack of graphical horsepower isn't hurting Wii sales at all in my opinion.

that's because the majority of people still have SD TVs. once more people buy HD TVs and subscribe to HD channels or want to watch HD movies or play HD games... the relevance will become clearer. we must stop thinking short term and realize that some companies have a long term plan and others have a short term plan. what's the betting that Wii2 will have HD? this isn't knocking Nintendo, they have played the market perfectly. in terms of numbers sold, Nintendo are competing with the PS3 (because that's the way some people think), but in terms of market, they are not competing. the only reason i am happy that the PS3 is outselling the Wii (at the moment) is that it means there are more PS3s out there and so more incentive for devs to give us what we want.

[masteratt]

I swear we had this discussion before and I said:
God forbid people enjoy their Wii on a HD set.

What you think because they watch stuff in HD they are going to say "lol fuck Wii it doesn't do HD ololz" *binned*

Yes relevance [of HD] will become clearer but not for Wii owners, for PS3 owners.
Wii owners will continue playing on black an white, coloured, HD, cinema screen, whatever.
They will never care.

Get used to the fact that Wii is a an unstoppable tank.
Much like DS.
You never hear people saying people will care that DS can't play movies or whatever.
It's the same logic, HD in basic is just a luxury feature after all.

Don't worry it doesn't effect Sony's plans dramatically at all and devs will do what they want still.

[cliffbo]

I swear we had this discussion before and I said:
God forbid people enjoy their Wii on a HD set.

What you think because they watch stuff in HD they are going to say "lol fuck Wii it doesn't do HD ololz" *binned*

Yes relevance [of HD] will become clearer but not for Wii owners, for PS3 owners.
Wii owners will continue playing on black an white, coloured, HD, cinema screen, whatever.
They will never care.

i take your point, Masteratt, but there are a lot of people that will want to 'justify' their new purchase of a HDTV and then they will look to hardware and channels to do that... a percentage of people will go to their friends house and look at COD or KZ and be wowed by the clarity and resolution. these people don't expect the same from their PS2s or Wiis, but i think it will make them consider buying a second console: one for 'fun' one for HD

edit: and why do you think i'm not used to the idea of the Wii being an 'unstoppable tank'? i don't get that logic. i want the PS3 to do well, not 'beat' the Wii

[masteratt]

WHOOOOOOOOOSH!
That's the sound of the discussion taking a swift turn from "Wii sales are hurt because HD is your god" to "well, people will want one for HD and one for fun".

In latter case I agree with you to an extent though let's not think the majority will want both.


edit: and why do you think i'm not used to the idea of the Wii being an 'unstoppable tank'? i don't get that logic. i want the PS3 to do well, not 'beat' the Wii
I'm sorry but to me, no matter how many times you say that, it's just going to sound like denial.
Your overall attitude on the board is clearly Pro-Sony which I think 98&#37; of this board is but what 98% of us isn't is that you are also pretty anti-competition.
I saw you making trouble at some Wii/ X360 threads and you seem to ridicule the Wii and bash the X360 in some occasions.

[Shadow Voa]

WHOOOOOOOOOSH!
That's the sound of the discussion taking a swift turn from "Wii sales are hurt because HD is your god" to "well, people will want one for HD and one for fun".

In latter case I agree with you to an extent though let's not think the majority will want both.

Well said Masteratt, Im surprised from these quality posts you've made well done... so that deserves some rep.

[<3frosty]

yep... you see what i see. come on Viper, you have to be honest here and admit that Nintendo would have had more units on shelves than that... Sony beat them fair and square, just like Nintendo have been beating them fair and square for a while now. things are changing for the average buyer, they are beginning to pick substance over fad. their are hardcore Nintendo fans out there that will always be Nintendo and will continue to buy games like mario or Metroid prime, but a huge slice of Nintendos market have bought the Wii for fun and to play on 'special occasions' like parties and christmas.

things are beginning to pan out as many other forum users have suggested (and many analysts). the novelty will begin to wear off more and more. the Wii fit will help swing it back nintendos way for a while, but it will falter once again. Long live the Wii, i say, and long live the PS3

Things are beginning to pan out? Yet this is only occuring in Japan. This has happened for two weeks. I dunno about you, but i dont see this as a prediction of Nintendos long term success. The novelty and fad you speak of may or may not be true for some users, but there is no doubt in my mind that it is NOT fact.

Speaking of substance over fad, what does the PS3 provide gamewise? So far, it seems pretty weak considering the price point still. So, keep taking shots at the Wii.

As far as the amount of units sold, i dont know why it has taken a dip.

[cliffbo]

WHOOOOOOOOOSH!
That's the sound of the discussion taking a swift turn from "Wii sales are hurt because HD is your god" to "well, people will want one for HD and one for fun".

i don't understand how you are reading what i am writing lol. check back at some of the threads i have started and you will find one about a duel console future... that is where we are at. i apologize to hardcore Nintendo fans who are interested in hardcore games, but 99.9% of adverts on British TVs are selling it based on 'fun' and everyone barring one that i know with the console is playing it for that reason. it's up to Nintendo to change that mindset, although then they risk a direct comparison. they went out of their way to brand the Wii as a 'new generation' of consoles and not 'next generation' to avoid the comparison and monopolize the niche market that they are doing so well in now. that was their strategy.

[Shadow Voa]

Just watch yourself since you dont want to open Pandoras box there, you'll only find fanboy origami....

[cliffbo]

Just watch yourself since you dont want to open Pandoras box there, you'll only find fanboy origami....

read what i wrote! have i said Nintendo are shit? have i said they will lose the console war? what exactly is upsetting some people here? Nintendo have done a brilliant job and the success speaks for itself...

[masteratt]

i don't understand how you are reading what i am writing lol. check back at some of the threads i have started and you will find one about a duel console future... that is where we are at. i apologize to hardcore Nintendo fans who are interested in hardcore games, but 99.9&#37; of adverts on British TVs are selling it based on 'fun' and everyone barring one that i know with the console is playing it for that reason. it's up to Nintendo to change that mindset, although then they risk a direct comparison. they went out of their way to brand the Wii as a 'new generation' of consoles and not 'next generation' to avoid the comparison and monopolize the niche market that they are doing so well in now. that was their strategy.
Okay great for them....What is the discussion now?

I admit I am a bit tired but to me you are just jumping..Hell, jet boosting from one point to another without any clear link.
I don't even know what you are discussing now.

first it was HD market effecting Wii sales, now it's Nintendo's strategy about how their console is fun...??

I really don't mean to pick on you cliffbo, it just seems that way because no matter how hard I try to understand your point you just seem to be running around in circles.

[NeoPlayStation]

Third week


Charts : http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1212171_1124.html
1. DQ4 (DS)
2. Winning Eleven 2008 (PS2)
3. Winning Eleven 2008 (PS3)
4. Mario Party DS (DS)
5. Mega Man Star Force2 (DS)
6. FF XI: Wings of the Goddess (PS2)
7. Mario & Sonic at Beijing Olympics (Wii)
8. Dinosaur King (DS)
9. Pa*****o Hissatsu Shigotonin III (PS2)
10. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)

Sales Data of　Shinobi : http://sinobi.ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-10057590819.html

DQ4 (DS) : about 600k
Winning Eleven 2008 (PS2) : about 300k
Winning Eleven 2008 (PS3) : about 140k
Winning Eleven 2008 (360) : about 10k

Console :
DSL : about 115k
Please see below data about others .

Sales Data of Other sources :
DQ4 (DS) : about 602k
Winning Eleven 2008 (PS2) : about 305k
Winning Eleven 2008 (PS3) : about 145k
Mario Party DS (DS) : about 97k (total about 454k)
Mega Man Star Force2 (DS) : about 84k
FF XI: Wings of the Goddess (PS2) : about 83k
Mario & Sonic at Beijing Olympics (Wii) : about 67k
Dinosaur King (DS) : about 53k
Pa*****o Hissatsu Shigotonin III (PS2) : about 42k
Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) : about 37k (total about 415k)

Won! tertainment Music Channel Dokodemo Style (DS) : about 34k
FF XI: Wings of the Goddess (360) : about 13k
Winning Eleven 2008 (360) : about 12k
Dynasty Warriors 6 (PS3) : about 31k (total about 281k)
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Wii) : about 29k (total about 134k)
Famista DS (DS) : about 18k (total about 63k)
Pok&#233;mon Mystery Dungeon (DS) : about 12k (total about 1.07m)
Nishimura Kyoutarou suspense (DS) : about 10k (total about 133k)
FFTA2 (DS) : about 10k (total about 259k)
My Household Budget Diary (DS) : about 10k (total about 296k)
Monster Hunter Portable 2 (PSP) : about 9.5k (total about 1.38m)
Game Center CX (DS) : about 8.9k (total about 55k)
DS complete literature works(DS) : about 8.4k (total about 109k)
Heavenly Sword (PS3) : about 8.4k (total about 24k)
(others are skipped becase there are many infos)

Console :
Wii : about 47k
DSL : about 116k
PS3 : about 58k
PS2 : about 15k
PSP : about 89k
360 : about 5.8k

PSP has no games in Top 10 and sold about 89k!

PS3 numbers are great too.

[Viper]

Forehead meets brick wall at medium velocity. Repeat.

_________________________________________________


Winning Eleven 2008 (PS3) : about 145k
DQ4 (DS) : about 602k

Dayum. Those are double what I expected...easily.

[Diresu]

Forehead meets brick wall at medium velocity. Repeat.

_________________________________________________


Winning Eleven 2008 (PS3) : about 145k
DQ4 (DS) : about 602k

Dayum. Those are double what I expected...easily.

DQ is unexplainable when it comes to sales. That series is insane.

[cliffbo]

Third week



PSP has no games in Top 10 and sold about 89k!

PS3 numbers are great too.

i'll wait to see if those figures are verified elsewhere before i praise them

[PSXBatou]

Aren't those Famitsu numbers? If so I'd call them valid

[cliffbo]

Aren't those Famitsu numbers? If so I'd call them valid

i tend to wait for two or three reports before i see them as fact. if this is true though, it's a very good sign. are there any games coming out in that territory next week that could keep the momentum going?

[Diresu]

i tend to wait for two or three reports before i see them as fact. if this is true though, it's a very good sign. are there any games coming out in that territory next week that could keep the momentum going?

Im sure they finished the next Dynasty Warriors already. I mean the other one HAS been out for a week already. THey had more then enough time. I mean how long can it take to change the title number and reprint the game.

[cliffbo]

Im sure they finished the next Dynasty Warriors already. I mean the other one HAS been out for a week already. THey had more then enough time. I mean how long can it take to change the title number and reprint the game.

LOL... i could never understand why that franchise did so well! it does though, so it's all good (well the result not the game)

[Viper]

are there any games coming out in that territory next week that could keep the momentum going?

Nothing next week will release for PS3 but here is what PS2 and PSP are getting. Wii Fit releases so that might have an impact on sales for other systems if it turns out to be a big title.

[PS2]

11/29

* SD Gundam G Generations Spirits

* Another Century Episode 2 Special Vocal Edition

* Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes


[PSP]

11/29

* Disgaea Portable with Network Play

[cliffbo]

i wouldn't be surprised to see the Wii outsell the PS3 next week then. maybe the PSP could close the DS sales gap with that title though.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

so when it's a friend it's 'he's got a right to his opinion' when it's someone not quite as close it's 'that's enough now' end of discussion, well you know what i mean lol

No. when it's anyone, and you're a broken record brow-beating the rest of us, and perpetuating a dead argument, it's time for me to intervene.

[Diresu]

Yea, them fat japanese people need to get in shape good..unlike us Americans.

[cliffbo]

Yea, them fat japanese people need to get in shape good..unlike us Americans.

LOL... and Britain are catching up fast (thank you Mcdonalds)

[Diresu]

LOL... and Britain are catching up fast (thank you Mcdonalds)

Or as my friend calls them ...McLaxative

[<3frosty]

Or as my friend calls them ...McLaxative

*shudders*

Also, the only people that know why the Dynasty Warriors franchise keeps selling well are the people who buy the game. But i think they live in caves.

[Luis]

Or as my friend calls them ...McLaxativeThat's funny, as a friend of mine told me this summer she always had trouble in regards of being "regular" for the three following days after having a hamburger there.

[Diresu]

That's funny, as a friend of mine told me this summer she always had trouble in regards of being "regular" for the three following days after having a hamburger there.

lmao. THe name fits.

[cliffbo]

Budget PlayStation Titles Hit the Archives
Three bucks for a (budget fishing) game.
by Anoop Gantayat

US, November 28, 2007 - Sony Japan's impressive lineup of PlayStation Classics for download to the PlayStation Portable and PlayStation 3 took an unexpected twist today with the announcement of the second set of November downloads.

Included amongst the standard 600 yen games like MidiEvil, Armored Core Master of Arena, and Wild Arms 2nd Ignition, are the first 300 yen titles for the service. Success has set its three SuperLite budget fishing titles at 300 yen, meaning a quickie PSP and PS3 download for just three bucks!

The full list of titles available as of today in the Japanese PlayStation Store follows.

Seireiki Live Red (Winky Soft)
Poitter's Point (Konami)
SuperLite Fishing: Port no Tsuri-hen (Success)
SuperLite Fishing: Bouhatei no Tsuri-hen (Success)
SuperLite Fishing: Hama no Tsuri-hen (Success)
Wild Arms 2nd Ignition (SCEJ)
MediEvil (SCEJ, PSP-only)
Arcade Hits Frisky Tom (Hamster)
Formation Soccer '98 (Hamster)
Armored Core Master of Arena (From, PS3-only)

Unless otherwise specified, these are compatible with both the PSP and PS3.

this will help cement the sales and encourage more online activity

[Viper]

Well, no one should be expecting to do much more. It's capable of more than last gen and we will see games that prove it with no doubt.


PS: I like the PS3 beat Wii for the 3rd week now.

DS - 130,031
Wii - 47,497
PSP - 90,034
PS3 - 56,211
X360 - 6,006


PSP did pretty good too it looks like.

[dnpmakkah]

PS: I like the PS3 beat Wii for the 3rd week now.Liar :) BTW I am only kidding. Media Create will be closer in fact Wii might be up in that one. I wonder how much SMG will help Wii and how much GT5P will help PS3.

[Viper]

Lol, that was a typo. It was supposed to read, "I see the PS3 beat...." I was thinking "looks like" and "I see" and I ended up typing like George Bush speaks.

[EvilTaru]

The key is that PS3 version of Winning Eleven is selling surprisingly well (>100k, no. 3 behind PS2 version), it points to the trend that PS2 owners in Japan are starting to pick up the PS3 as well, and more importantly, for major titles like WE, are picking up the PS3 version.

[PSXBatou]

Well, no one should be expecting to do much more. It's capable of more than last gen and we will see games that prove it with no doubt.


PS: I like the PS3 beat Wii for the 3rd week now.

DS - 130,031
Wii - 47,497
PSP - 90,034
PS3 - 56,211
X360 - 6,006


PSP did pretty good too it looks like.

Did you post the numbers for all 3 weeks in the Gen Video games area? I'm curious to see the trend over all 3.

At least it beat it by real margins and not like when the X360 beat the PS3. :D

[Viper]

I'll set up a thread to cover all sales for the month for all territories tomorrow.

[CreativeWriter]

Well, no one should be expecting to do much more. It's capable of more than last gen and we will see games that prove it with no doubt.


PS: I like the PS3 beat Wii for the 3rd week now.

DS - 130,031
Wii - 47,497
PSP - 90,034
PS3 - 56,211
X360 - 6,006


PSP did pretty good too it looks like.

Can we just start handing DSes out to Japanese kids when they're born and skip the middle man? Handheld gaming dominates over there. Is the commute time that bad that every kid needs a DS? I don't understand the phenomenon.

[Sephiroth_VII]

The problem probably is that the apartments are so small, so maybe they don't want to be there for too long?
Also, schools, High Schools and colleges have lots of student-founded clubs, so you'll want to bring your gaming system to the "Video Game Research" club to play with your mates.

And let's face it, most consoles aren't easy to carry, so of course handhelds are going to dominate.

:2cents:

[Viper]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=81342

Go there for the ET vs BR debate.

[Viper]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=81360

Go here for the Wii vs Graphics debate.


This thread has branched off twice now...

[PSXBatou]

2 weeks, not 3 I guess?

2007年11月19日～11月25日
DSL 116,694
PSP 75,027
Wii 54,362
PS3 50,564
PS2 14,875
Xbox360 7,117

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

[cliffbo]

2 weeks, not 3 I guess?

2007年11月19日～11月25日
DSL 116,694
PSP 75,027
Wii 54,362
PS3 50,564
PS2 14,875
Xbox360 7,117

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

that's still good though. less than 4,000 in it.

[dnpmakkah]

Media Create shows the PS3 less than the Wii but the other source shows it as higher than the Wii. Which one is correct?

[Viper]

2 weeks, not 3 I guess?

2007年11月19日～11月25日
DSL 116,694
PSP 75,027
Wii 54,362
PS3 50,564
PS2 14,875
Xbox360 7,117

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/
Depends on the source. Media Create has it pegged at 2 weeks but Famitsu and VGChartz say it's still 3 weeks.

[PSXBatou]

Depends on the source. Media Create has it pegged at 2 weeks but Famitsu and VGChartz say it's still 3 weeks.

Why can't they make it less confusing :(

[Viper]

Why can't they make it less confusing :(
Different retail chains in their samples can do that.


Here's something funny, recall that other sales thread with the debate over VGChartz? I made a comment on how even respected tracking firms, MC and Famitsu specifically, can differ....


So how can NPD and VGC differ? Very easily and I'll use a couple of well respected tracking firms as an example. Famitsu and Media Create both cover Japan but there numbers can be off by as much as 40% at times.

Let's see Fastasleep say something about it now.

[cliffbo]

so basically numbers are meaningless

[Shadow Voa]

Fanboy fodder to argue about, since they just can't play their games without attacking the competition. Right Cliff?

[Hisham]

Fanboy fodder to argue about, since they just can't play their games without attacking the competition. Right Cliff?

Best.Post.Ever.

[PSXBatou]

Sony sold 183,217 PS3s in Japan in the four weeks to November 25, while Nintendo sold 159,193 Wii consoles, according to magazine publisher Enterbrain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071130/ennew_afp/lifestylejapangamecompanysonynintendo;_ylt=AmbBe.y 3f3mk6rIWl.pJsU0jtBAF

Sorry if that adds to the confusion.

[Viper]

so basically numbers are meaningless

Not entirely. Just be sure if you are comparing sales that you use the same source to compare with. You can't compare Famitsu vs MC numbers because the samples are different.

Both are respectable, just depends on the source you prefer.

[cliffbo]

Not entirely. Just be sure if you are comparing sales that you use the same source to compare with. You can't compare Famitsu vs MC numbers because the samples are different.

Both are respectable, just depends on the source you prefer.

for all we know though the Wii could have actually outsold the PS3 over the last three weeks... it works both ways. it would be hypocritical of me not to point that out, being a fanboy and all that lol...

[cliffbo]

Fanboy fodder to argue about, since they just can't play their games without attacking the competition. Right Cliff?


Best.Post.Ever.

? i guess this will never stop

in my experience, those that feel it necessary to point out someone thinks they're always right, is someone who can't handle being wrong

[Viper]

This is very true but considering the speculative nature and the fact that we now have 3 sources that state 2 of the past 3 weeks has had PS3 in the lead, it's pretty safe to accept Wii was beat.


In fact, that's another thing to bring up. Having more than one source validates each other. If you had just 1 tracking source, you'd never know how far off they could be. Having 2 sources with similar numbers adds credibility to each other because the chances of both of them always being way off is unlikely. Toss in a 3rd firm and you see where I'm going.

You can average out the 3 to get an aggregate total which probably isn't a bad idea.

[cliffbo]

This is very true but considering the speculative nature and the fact that we now have 3 sources that state 2 of the past 3 weeks has had PS3 in the lead, it's pretty safe to accept Wii was beat.


In fact, that's another thing to bring up. Having more than one source validates each other. If you had just 1 tracking source, you'd never know how far off they could be. Having 2 sources with similar numbers adds credibility to each other because the chances of both of them always being way off is unlikely. Toss in a 3rd firm and you see where I'm going.

You can average out the 3 to get an aggregate total which probably isn't a bad idea.

if i agree with you, will that make me a fanboy? lol... i'm more interested in the PS3 doing well than in the console war. as long as the PS3 equals the sales of the Wii, i'll be happy. i'd sooner see a PSWii situation than a Wii60 one because at least Nintendo have imagination and that can only be good for gaming.

[frosty]

I don't care so much about ps3 beating out wii in the long run, but in the short term it is something I deem important as right now the system really needs to grow it's install base in order to continue to have the industry leading developer support that the brand name has enjoyed for so many years (nearly a decade now...). PS3 needs it's games and this is the one way it will continue to get them.

[Viper]

Fanboys are just fans with no regard for logic and reason.

I don't think agreeing with me makes you a fanboy one way or the other.

[cliffbo]

I don't care so much about ps3 beating out wii in the long run, but in the short term it is something I deem important as right now the system really needs to grow it's install base in order to continue to have the industry leading developer support that the brand name has enjoyed for so many years (nearly a decade now...). PS3 needs it's games and this is the one way it will continue to get them.

with all consoles it seems that 6 million sales is the point at which devs get serious, so it's all good from here on

[FantasyGhost]

Things looking up for Sony as PlayStation 3 sales pick up - analysts (http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/12/02/afx4394477.html)

TOKYO (Thomson Financial) - Things seem to be looking up for Sony Corp. After a tough first year, sales of the PlayStation 3 (PS3) are finally gaining momentum while the company's new flat television is reviving its reputation for innovation.

The iconic Japanese company, recovering from a profit slump, is enjoying brisk sales of digital cameras and other electronic goods and expects its operating earnings to soar more than six-fold this year.

Since Howard Stringer, a Welsh-born US citizen, took over in 2005, Sony (nyse: SNE - news - people ) has axed thousands of jobs, floated its financial arm on the stock market and struck a deal to sell its advanced semiconductor operations to Toshiba Corp. (other-otc: TOSBF.PK - news - people )

Even Middle East investors, flush with petrodollars, have taken note, with a Dubai fund recently buying a substantial stake in the group, helping its shares to rocket up 14 percent over the past week.

Adding fuel to the rally, the company announced that PS3 sales in North America had more than tripled in the crucial Thanksgiving holiday week after a 100 US dollar price cut.

The icing on the cake came on Friday when magazine publisher Enterbrain reported that the PS3 video games console had finally outsold Nintendo Co Ltd (other-otc: NTDOY.PK - news - people )'s Wii in Japan in November.

The upturn in sales came after Sony cut the price of the PS3 by 10 percent in Japan and launched a new slimmed-down version, ratcheting up the competition with its rivals ahead of the crucial year-end sales period.

A better line-up of games compared with a year ago is also making the PS3 more attractive, analysts said.

Sony is 'making up lost ground,' said Hiroshi Kamide, an analyst at KBC Securities.

'Going forward another 12 months or so I'm sure we'll see better titles turning up as well. I wouldn't say Sony's back on form and everything is going to be OK now but it feels like the proper launch (for the PS3) this year,' he said.

Sony put the emphasis on chip power and ultra-realistic graphics for the PS3, but since its release a year ago it has trailed badly behind Nintendo's cheaper, user-friendly Wii machine that aims to appeal to a wider audience.

Analysts said that although the PS3 might not maintain its lead over the Wii in Japan for long, the company should be able to gradually cut its losses in its game division as it sells more consoles and reduces production costs.

'It's certainly a sign that the momentum of the PS3 business is improving,' Macquarie Securities analyst David Gibson said of the recent sales upturn.

'The PS3 and the games business is past the worst in terms of financial losses and the sales momentum is improving because of the price cut and the new model,' he said.

Sony sold 183,217 PS3s in Japan in the four weeks to November 25, while Nintendo sold 159,193 Wii consoles, according to Enterbrain.

'The PS3 has already seen the worst and finally you are seeing sales rebounding,' said an analyst at an investment bank who asked not to be named.

'The fact that you are seeing the PS3 already gaining traction in Japan and also putting a lot of pressure on Nintendo I think is significant,' he said.

Sony, which changed the way the world listens to music with the Walkman, is now fighting back after being caught off guard in recent years by innovative new products such as Apple (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) Inc's iPod and Nintendo's Wii.

The iconic company is trying to regain some of its reputation for cutting edge technology, and this weekend launched the world's first organic light emitting diode (OLED) television.

By sandwiching a very thin layer of organic material between two plates, the television is said to use less power and offer brighter images and wider viewing angles than liquid crystal display panels.

With the group's fortunes apparently improving, Dubai International Capital, a fund owned by the oil-rich emirate, announced last week that it had bought a 'substantial' stake in Sony without disclosing the value.

The purchase 'does to some degree confirm that value players see some opportunity in the company and we would agree with the idea that at these prices the shares are attractive,' said Macquarie's Gibson.

[Diresu]

Good press for Sony? Its official, world ends tommorow.

[CreativeWriter]

This is very true but considering the speculative nature and the fact that we now have 3 sources that state 2 of the past 3 weeks has had PS3 in the lead, it's pretty safe to accept Wii was beat.


In fact, that's another thing to bring up. Having more than one source validates each other. If you had just 1 tracking source, you'd never know how far off they could be. Having 2 sources with similar numbers adds credibility to each other because the chances of both of them always being way off is unlikely. Toss in a 3rd firm and you see where I'm going.

You can average out the 3 to get an aggregate total which probably isn't a bad idea.


Yes, of course, unless each source uses the other sources to estimate their own sales figures. Without careful study of sample size and tracking methodology it's possible that an error in one source can skew the entire field's perceptions... With the NDP blackout and the discrepancies between MC and Famitsu tracking seems more an art than a science at this point...

[EvilTaru]

The key is that PS3 is gaining a lot of momentum in Japan, and improving significantly in NA, that puts pressure on companies like Capcom to stop and think about their lead platform priorities as well as how they will approach their platform choice in terms of their next set of games to be released. More importantly the strong sales of Winning Eleven showed Konami that the PS3 is a viable platform for their franchise in Japan and not the 360. If only Capcom and Koei would realize this. I wonder if we'll see anymore Ace Combat 6-type situations in terms of how much longer Namco would like to see their franchise tank despite MS subsidizing them.

[Hisham]

^To be real, Capcom didn't pull anything from the PS3, they just made RE5 and DMC4 multiplatform. That statment would be valid only if they pulled support away. Now I dunno about Koei's situation, but I am pretty sure all there games are also multplat and I don't remember hearing anything about pulled support.

[frosty]

not to mention, as cpiasminc pointed out, it's very likely these games were meant to be multiplat from the start but they simply did not announce the other version(s) of the game until a later date (possibly for strategic reasons, such as MS wanting them to wait until just the right time for the announcement to have maximum impact).

[Segitz]

Well,

Capcom didn't really play fast and loose. No Dead Rising, No Street Fighter (PSN), No Lost Planet (on time, that is), No Ghouls and Ghosts...

What DID Capcom release up until now? That would be ONLY Super Puzzle Fighter II (and NO, it is NOT HD, that is a BAD joke, not one sound was remade, the "fighter" neither, the menu was, but that was about it).

It's not like Capcom is near bankruptcy other something like that, I mean they do release 360 games.

[amuront]

^To be real, Capcom didn't pull anything from the PS3, they just made RE5 and DMC4 multiplatform. That statment would be valid only if they pulled support away. Now I dunno about Koei's situation, but I am pretty sure all there games are also multplat and I don't remember hearing anything about pulled support.

Monster Hunter 3 :(

[Hisham]

Well,

Capcom didn't really play fast and loose. No Dead Rising, No Street Fighter (PSN), No Lost Planet (on time, that is), No Ghouls and Ghosts...

What DID Capcom release up until now? That would be ONLY Super Puzzle Fighter II (and NO, it is NOT HD, that is a BAD joke, not one sound was remade, the "fighter" neither, the menu was, but that was about it).

It's not like Capcom is near bankruptcy other something like that, I mean they do release 360 games.

Super Turbo HD is still comming out, and wasn't Dead Rising annouced for the 360 even before the 360 was released? DMC4, RE5, Super Turbo HD, Bionic Commando, Rocket Man, and some other games are still comming to the PS3, so MH3 is the only "offically" pulled game. I am tired of people saying Capcom is so pro 360 when they have always been a multi-platform developer (with clear support for Sony last gen) and they have as much comming out for the PS3 as they do for the 360. It is only Dead Rising and the SF HF XBLA game that the PS3 owners didn't get. It doesn't matter in any case because Super Turbo HD will be better than SFHF. And Bionic Commando will probaby turn out better than Dead Rising anyways.

[Segitz]

Super Turbo HD is still comming out, and wasn't Dead Rising annouced for the 360 even before the 360 was released? DMC4, RE5, Super Turbo HD, Bionic Commando, Rocket Man, and some other games are still comming to the PS3, so MH3 is the only "offically" pulled game. I am tired of people saying Capcom is so pro 360 when they have always been a multi-platform developer (with clear support for Sony last gen) and they have as much comming out for the PS3 as they do for the 360. It is only Dead Rising and the SF HF XBLA game that the PS3 owners didn't get. It doesn't matter in any case because Super Turbo HD will be better than SFHF. And Bionic Commando will probaby turn out better than Dead Rising anyways.

Well, they "come"... But they are not out, especially games like SF2 or GnG, which take a day to make^^

I am not saying Capcom is pro 360 or anti Sony, I was only trying to say, Capcom cannot complain about lacking PS3 sales, if they don't release much. And I know Capcom since my Amiga and C64 days, so they do have some sort of warm spot in my heart.

What does Bionic Commando have to do with Dead Rising? Only because the C64 game was great doesn't mean, the new iteration will be too. I would have gotten Dead Rising for the PS3, I really looks wicked^^

But somehow I feel, Capcom is losing ground fast ever since the PS2 era. They didn't have too many new IPs (ok, two already this generation, but look back) and most of their old IPs are starting to get stale (imho only except RE4)

[cliffbo]

i doubt if this month is any real indication of a trend but it is nice to be roughly on a par with the Wii in sales (remember it was outselling the PS3 6 to 1 at one point!)

[Hisham]

Well, they "come"... But they are not out, especially games like SF2 or GnG, which take a day to make^^

I am not saying Capcom is pro 360 or anti Sony, I was only trying to say, Capcom cannot complain about lacking PS3 sales, if they don't release much. And I know Capcom since my Amiga and C64 days, so they do have some sort of warm spot in my heart.

What does Bionic Commando have to do with Dead Rising? Only because the C64 game was great doesn't mean, the new iteration will be too. I would have gotten Dead Rising for the PS3, I really looks wicked^^

But somehow I feel, Capcom is losing ground fast ever since the PS2 era. They didn't have too many new IPs (ok, two already this generation, but look back) and most of their old IPs are starting to get stale (imho only except RE4)

Honestly, I thought Dead Rising was a 7.5 game. And yeah it was fun, but I don't think it was GREAT. Atleast not on the level of there last gen games, and that is probably because of the getting used to "next-gen" hardware that every company needs to do. And about SF2 or GnG, do we really need those on PSN? Hell, I haven't even bought SF2 HF for the XBLA because I've been waiting for Super Turbo. I really doubt it would be worth the effort for Capcom to put those games on PSN, when they have so much stuff already comming out. And what do you expect by that first statment. Any good game takes atleast 2 years in development, and great games ususally take more, so the best we can do is sit tight untill the games are released. I'd rather that, then a shitty game being rush released.

And I don't necessarily think anything is getting stale (with the exception of Mega Man) but yeah, I do agree they haven't been making "ub3r" games as of late. I am hoping that will change when DMC4 drops.

[LiquidEagle]

The key is that PS3 is gaining a lot of momentum in Japan, and improving significantly in NA, that puts pressure on companies like Capcom to stop and think about their lead platform priorities as well as how they will approach their platform choice in terms of their next set of games to be released.


^To be real, Capcom didn't pull anything from the PS3, they just made RE5 and DMC4 multiplatform. That statment would be valid only if they pulled support away.

Taru was also talking about lead platform, see the part I bolded? Also, Capcom may have indeed pulled support from PS3 with Dead Rising going to 360, I dunno... Anyhoo, things are looking up so w/e :)

[Mirai]

Intriguing...

[cliffbo]

why is that intriguing? it's about how i thought it would be

edit: or are you talking about the 6.36 million PS3s when we keep getting told it's only 5 million?

[Hisham]

Taru was also talking about lead platform, see the part I bolded? Also, Capcom may have indeed pulled support from PS3 with Dead Rising going to 360, I dunno... Anyhoo, things are looking up so w/e :)

Wasn't Dead Rising annouced for 360 before the 360 was even released? And wasn't it also released before the PS3 even came out? So I don't see how this is relevant. All through the dev cycle it was 360. I don't remember having any mention of it being on PS3. And that was to be expecting seeing as it came out 3 months before the PS3 even launched.

I don't doubt they started to favour the 360 more because of its install base and attach rate, but the only thing they have pulled is MH3. Making a game multiplatform early in development (DMC4 and RE5) is a whole lot different. And chances are it was going to be made with Capcom's own multiplatform engine from the start, so it doesn't matter in any case. More people get to play the game, is that bad?

[KRA]

Wasn't Dead Rising annouced for 360 before the 360 was even released? And wasn't it also released before the PS3 even came out? So I don't see how this is relevant. All through the dev cycle it was 360. I don't remember having any mention of it being on PS3. And that was to be expecting seeing as it came out 3 months before the PS3 even launched.

I don't doubt they started to favour the 360 more because of its install base and attach rate, but the only thing they have pulled is MH3. Making a game multiplatform early in development (DMC4 and RE5) is a whole lot different. And chances are it was going to be made with Capcom's own multiplatform engine from the start, so it doesn't matter in any case. More people get to play the game, is that bad?

would it be bad if they make dead rising port ps3 launch or post launch title ?
more people would get to play the game. and anyway i don't really want to
get in disccusion abut good and bad sides of multiplatform titles :)

[woundingchaney]

From my understanding DR and LP where both intended to initially be 360 exclusives although not the perpetual exclusives. MS bought the rights to DR and passed on LP, hence forth we see LP going to the PS3 (I would suggest skipping the title).

I dont really see how anyone can blame Capcom in these decisions. With the cost of development and the low install base of both consoles there really isnt much of an outside choice for them even with their AAA titles of continuing favoring any one console manufacturer (outside of monetary gain associated with purchasing exclusive rights). Further more, game sales on the PS3 havent been very uplifting for the vast majority of either first/second or third party developers so large scale exclusive investment into the PS3 at this point may be premature.

Personally I thought DR was a very good game. Outside of a few issues I had surrounding gameplay and pacing I very much enjoyed the title.

Im in agreement that Capcom really hasnt been supplying outstanding games so far this generation (honorable mention for DR). At the same time however they really havent hit with any of their blockbuster titles. DMC4, RE5, and SF are all still in development.

[OmniStalgic]

IMO--the DMC series hasn't been as good as the first one and RE was getting kinda whack until RE4 came. Code Veronica, these remakes for GC (which were pretty good, but still remakes) spin-off FPS titles--all pretty lame.

And it looks like RE5 will be RE4 supped up which isn't really bad because RE4 was very innovative and polished from the get go. I must say tho--that DMC4 doesn't look like it's gonna be this awesome experience that I've never played before. It looks fun and I'll pick it up (only because God of War won't be out yet:shifty:)but I wish they went further with the title visually/gameplay wise.

Like Metal Gear looks like a completely different game from it's previous iteration (which it should, it's on two very different platforms) same can be said for R&C (it might not play that differently, but definitely looks & feels different) DMC4 doesn't even look that different in either category:shrug: and I doubt there gonna take the storytelling further than past games.

I'm banking on Re5 and Street Fighter to be Capcom's big titles. Monster Hunter should be big in Japan as well. To be perfectly honest, I really just hope they don't mess up Street Fighter and really just give us a deep ultra pretty fast 60fps 2D fighting game. I really haven't played a good fighting game since the Smash brothers (n64) and Soul Calibur days:shrug: A little third Strike and Tekken every now and then, but man want a new awesome street fighter game!!!:drool:

Rant officially over...

[Shadow Voa]

Most know how much I hate Blu-ray and I dont support the format war since I still buy DVD's regular. But, I heard about the demo of DMC4 being bundled with the BR version of the Resident Evil Extinction movie coming out later this month I believe...

Frankly Im willing to pay like $35 bucks for the movie since I need a new drink coaster (Talladega BR aint cutting it no more) and play this game, my friend and I have been going on about how awesome the trailer was, felt like a movie it was really neat. February is brutal this year, DMC4, No More Heroes, and the ace of spades... Smash Bros Brawl. 2008 is going to have have such a kick ass beginning!!!

[OmniStalgic]

And it would be even better if MGS4 actually releases in February!!!!:drool:

[Shadow Voa]

Its ok let it have its time to simmer the perfect blend that is the MGS franchise.


































A demo wouldnt hurt though... <_<