Petition to play AVI files on PS3

[533y4]

Anyone that owns a PS3 knows that you can't play AVI files. This will get Sony to notice that we really want to play AVIs on the PS3.

http://petitiononline.com/avips3

[archy121]

Hmm.. AVI is just a container & i think you will need to be more specific in the types of files you would like to see supported e.g. Xvid, DivX etc..

*EDIT* Just seen the petition. Seems you have covered Divx but maybe consider being little more specific such as particular versions to support. Also would be very useful to have Xvid on there as well & Subs support.

[BahnNZ]

*cough* mkv and ogm with subtitle support would suit me. :)

[iceman2654]

Couldn't this be done in YDL?

[digital neXus]

Playing AVI would be awesome, but firmware must contain Divx/Xvid codec but constantly updated because of new codec releases (Divx 5, 6 and even upcoming 7 eventualy). Mkv/Ogm would be great too, but codec also must be implemented also in firmware.

[Luis]

Why doesn't Sony add support for some open standard codecs like Ogg? The more, the better.

[Garfunkel]

Couldn't this be done in YDL?

yes, but not at standard, not legally.

.ogg (which supports video) should be added honestly, they should support the open source formats if they want an "open" platform. it's just laziness on their part.

obviously, i will sign your petition.

PS: now i know your name VG! haha.

[Luis]

PS: now i know your name VG! haha.=-o

[BahnNZ]

Playing back high def media in YDL sucks, big time.

Problem 1

You know how PS3 works. Simple dual issue PPE unit, on unoptimised code runs about as fast as a Pentium 3 1.6,better on optimised code, but it's ok the PPE is the conductor, 7 SPUs where the power resides, they're the orchestra. This all gets pipped to RSX. Vaguely how it works.

On YDL you're running VLC. You have codecs that don't use the SPEs at all. You're not using IBMs own Cell compilers, you're using generic GCC compilers. The video is then decoded and pushed into a basic frame buffer. No RSX access. No hardware scaling or other coolness.

Result: Choppy crappy video.

Problem 2: You've set your other os partition to 10GB right? You don't get access to the main PS3 partition.

Problem 3: Can't play it all by wireless controllers.

If you want to play video it's best to convert it to a format you can play off the XMB. From the XMB you can use codecs that use RSX and the SPEs. You can play absolute mad bitrate movie files at 1080p. Anything you throw at it, it'll play.

Supports these 4 main formats(AFAIK)

MPEG 1
MPEG 2 (I've managed to play MPEG2 off the XMB but it choked, I'll keep working on that).
MPEG 4 Base configuration (None of that enhanced MPEG4 stuff, that breaks)
MPEG 4 H264/AVC - Codec of choice.

Converting a DVD quality DIVX movie to AVC takes about 17 minutes on my old PowerMac, a brand new PC/Mac will do it faster, but you lose a little quality.

Converting a 720p movie to H264 takes rather longer. about 400 minutes....!

[Z]

I rarely use .ogg, but I use DivX/Xvid daily- yes, I literaly mean 'daily'.

it would be great to play my vids on my TV in a simple and direct way.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

they should allow wmv

[Luis]

It's funny that it can play WMA and that one of Blu-ray's codecs is based on Windows Media Video (VC-1), yet there's no WMV support. It would be nice to have, definately.

I wonder if I could fool the video player if I renamed a WMV file as MPG. It might simply accept the MPG file as VC-1 encoded.

[Z]

they should allow wmv

that is already supported with 1.6.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Lies.

[Kiwi]

I thought it was WMA that it supported rather than WMV?

[VonGak]

*cough* mkv and ogm with subtitle support would suit me. :)

I smell an anime fan.

[indiekid4]

that is already supported with 1.6.

WMA i believe....

[CrumCon]

it would be great, if you could play divx, ogg, xdiv etc, right away from the XMB.

but it will never happen unless sony support the codecs.

[Z]

WMA i believe....

yup. I thought they were the same. I looked it up and found out that one is for Audio and the other is for Video.

for that, I agree, WMV should have been default from the start. along with divx, it is like the MP3 of video.

[cpiasminc]

It's funny that it can play WMA and that one of Blu-ray's codecs is based on Windows Media Video (VC-1), yet there's no WMV support. It would be nice to have, definately.
The difference is that WMA and VC-1 are specific codecs, while .WMV is still a container/file format like AVI, and both .WMV are .AVI files are Microsoft-owned standards. Codecs, by comparison, are individually cheap to license compared to the fact that being able to play .WMVs and .AVIs (on a commercial product, that is) means licensing the entire Windows Media/Video-for-Windows package.

MKV, OGM, and maybe even MP4 containers should all be doable, but WMV and AVI and ASF are all problems due to a fat howler monkey and his bespectacled puppeteer.

[BahnNZ]

I smell an anime fan.

<*Smacks VonGak on the forehead with the butt of his sword and sends him to the soul society*>

I think the problem with all of this is you can get a very, very nice H264 720p full length movie on a DVD-5. I'm not even sure why Sony are letting us watch 1080p AVCs as it is, surely it'll cut into BD sales.

[amuront]

Due to license and legal reasons as mentioned by cpi, I think it is a futile exercise for Sony to support all these media formats.
While it is good an extra one or two format supported, it won't be useful (IMO) until a wide range of formats are supported. So we have avi working....but how about wmv, mkv, ogm, ogg, rmvb, vob, and oh...tta, ape, wv, flac, mpc, and all other current or future formats.
It will a waste of resources for Sony to accommodate all these.

My strategy? Leave all these to the communities, only them know what they need. In other words, use their resources and ours.

Enter the idea of YDL "Media Center Edition". This is basically a light-weight linux that focuses only on the media capability of the console and that should boot in less than 30 seconds. All the codec and format support will be provided by fans. Initially, it could behave like shit, but as the popularity of PS3 grows, the feature sets will become more and more complete. With the extensive range of I/O ports on PS3, the possibilities are limitless.

Now, how to get the fans involved quickly enough? That's where Sony's part comes in.
First, they need to push PS3 Linux hard, much harder than currently. My vision would be:

1) Create a PS3 Linux community website. The role of this website to provide all links to PS3 Linux support, to provide latest official PS3 Linux news, to aggregate all other PS3 Linux blogs newsfeed. Sony do not need to generate news, it just needs to be the central hub. But Sony cannot wait for things to get started, they need to get things started.

2) Make that you can choose to boot among several OS (more than 2).

3) Develop/Help develop the light-weight Linux.

What would be the benefit of this? Well, PS3 fans would be happy; PS3 would become a much superior system and would gain its perceived value; Linux would become more recognized; PS3 may do things that Sony would have ever dreamed of.

But is it worth (revenu > cost) for Sony doing this? I would say yes, but don't ask for kind of proof, because I have none :splitspin

[CrumCon]

It's nice to see we could launch 'Media Center' from the XMB.

500GB of HDD on ps3 should be enough

[Z]

<*Smacks VonGak on the forehead with the butt of his sword and sends him to the soul society*>

screw Soul Society and their shemales. there is only Zaraki there.

it is Holo-land all the way baby!!

[LiquidEagle]

PSP supports AVI, right? It also supports .wma and .ogg I believe, and it's weird that PS3 now has support for .wma but not .wmv and .avi. Aren't Microsoft's ties to .wmv and .avi just as close as they are to .wma??

[gozirah]

... are all problems due to a fat howler monkey and his bespectacled puppeteer.


Wha? That part was too technical. Please explain! :shrug:

[cpiasminc]

Wha? That part was too technical. Please explain! :shrug:
Howler Monkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc) == Steve Ballmer (returns 1)
Bespectacled Puppeteer == Bill Gates (also returns 1)

[OmniStalgic]

meh...I convert to MPEG2 or MP4...Increase the bitrate and the quality looks the same:shrug: Nice petition-but unnecessary for some...

Tks-Frosty!

[CrumCon]

meh...I convert to MPEG2 or MP4...Increase the bitrate and the quality looks the same:shrug: Nice petition-but unnecessary for some...

Tks-Frosty!

But many people doesnt have the time to convert their movies...

first they have to download their divx movies from the internet which take alot of time... and i cant imagine average people will convert their movies, which take time again and put them to their ps3.

It is nicer when you're done downloading your divx or xvid movies and put them to your ps3 HDD and play them.

[OmniStalgic]

Well it doesn't take that long to convert really-depends on your PC...but yeah would be nice, but not a must-have feature update...

Accessing the XMB in-game is a must-have!

[Sypher]

Could we also get an ISO loader?

[EvilTaru]

The media sites should just release MP4 versions of anything remotely related to the PS3, problem solved. Frankly I don't like the idea of stuff like xvid and divx running on my PS3, my PC is a trash box, I treat it like trash, but leave my PS3 alone with this crap.

[Jay Gee]

I smell an anime fan.
I smell a hentai anime fan.:smirk:

[Sypher]

The problem with allowing such containers is that alot of them can support 1080p/720p efficiently and null the need for a Sony Movie store in the future.

[Z]

I smell a hentai anime fan.:smirk:

who isn't?

[BahnNZ]

You guys are naughty.

Continuing in my quest to play a 5GB 720p mkv on a PS3. It's tricky.

First, convert mkv to an mp4. I can't find a way to just copy the video data so this takes 600 minutes on my old PowerMac G5. Uh oh.

That leaves you with a giant file, only PS3 won't play video files larger than 2GB. So you need this software called MP4Box, a GPL MP4 converter.

You use that to split the file then you should get the file in a playable format for PS3. Yaahoo.

[section]

Howler Monkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc) == Steve Ballmer (returns 1)
Bespectacled Puppeteer == Bill Gates (also returns 1)

You mean Humongous Crocodile and Genius Puffin (http://www.metalgearnamegenerator.com/), dear Cranky Beaver? :D

Steven Ballmer would have been Humongous Gorilla.

Uhhuh I'm still Lone Eel. Love Eel would have been more catchy :D