Grand Theft Auto IV: Episodes from Liberty City

[OG_Monkey]

Sorry man, Rockstar already confirmed: No returning characters.

And it makes sense since it's a new GTA and a new series of GTAs.

GTA3, VC and SA werre one series.
Now GTA4 starts a new one.

oh yea

[LiquidEagle]

luxemburg is like, next door to germany.

I know, but importing is importing, and even though I'm like, right next door to Mexico I would feel weird if any violent game I wanted I had to import from Mexico...

[KRA]

I know, but importing is importing, and even though I'm like, right next door to Mexico I would feel weird if any violent game I wanted I had to import from Mexico...

it's more like something is banned in one state
so you have to buy it in another one :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

I know, but importing is importing, and even though I'm like, right next door to Mexico I would feel weird if any violent game I wanted I had to import from Mexico...

I import almost everything from the US, UK, or Japan. :shrug:

[KRA]

I import almost everything from the US, UK, or Japan. :shrug:

and i have brought ratchet& clank here in poland and it seems like some scandynavian version :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

OMG, you're from Poland!?

Czesc! (My classmate)

[KRA]

OMG, you're from Poland!?

Czesc! (My classmate)

cześć :)
haven't you noticed. i have marked point 7. in poland on that map earlier :)

[Delirious]

I'm hoping they add more original parody artists the way they did in GTA III. I've got my fingers crossed for the triumphant return on Dildon't. How about you guys?


This, I have been waiting for all of my life.

[cliffbo]

thinking about GTA4... i can't get off mind one thing.
many people was writting that Assassins Creed
had repetive voice work...
it was big budget game so it was due 9DVD limit.
i just can't get out of mind how xbox is limiting GTA4 :)
if not in content then in quallity and probablly both.

this topic just won't go away lol... if any game demonstrates why it's important to utilize blu-ray, this is it. it could have been as big as SA, but got shrunk down to one city!

[LiquidEagle]

it's more like something is banned in one state
so you have to buy it in another one :)

Yeah, and that would piss me off! :laugh:

[OG_Monkey]

man fuck trailers, show some god damn gameplay movies already

The game was "gonna" ship october, something has to be ready and showable besides trailers and screenshots

HUD, Controlls, SOMETHING

[cliffbo]

man fuck trailers, show some god damn gameplay movies already

The game was "gonna" ship october, something has to be ready and showable besides trailers and screenshots

HUD, Controlls, SOMETHING

give them some time... they're still trying to figure out how to put a pint into a thimble

[OG_Monkey]

and im still trying to figure out what a pint and thimble mean >_>

[cliffbo]

and im still trying to figure out what a pint and thimble mean >_>

put this:

http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/food/beer-in-pint-glass-held-in-right-hand-AJHD.jpg

into this:

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1422777/2/istockphoto_1422777_fingers_and_thimble.jpg

[Jay Gee]

The new box cover spawned some badass skins over at TripleTags.com.

[OG_Monkey]

put this:

http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/food/beer-in-pint-glass-held-in-right-hand-AJHD.jpg[/IMG]

into this:

[MG]http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1422777/2/istockphoto_1422777_fingers_and_thimble.jpg[/IMG]

Oh i get it!


([I]i really dont)

[cliffbo]

Oh i get it!


(i really dont)

lol... it's a metaphor for putting blu-ray content onto a DVD9

[Segitz]

The german would be "Ein Elefant durchs Nadelöhr bekommen" (to get an elephant thru a needle"head", or something along those lines).

But I concur, where's the media? This game was supposed to be released a month and a half ago, yet they didn't release a trailer beside the first to yet (which where shown before the game was delayed).

[cliffbo]

The german would be "Ein Elefant durchs Nadelöhr bekommen" (to get an elephant thru a needle"head", or something along those lines).

But I concur, where's the media? This game was supposed to be released a month and a half ago, yet they didn't release a trailer beside the first to yet (which where shown before the game was delayed).

yep, i agree. this game will sell no matter what. even if it's another Assassins

[OG_Monkey]

lol... it's a metaphor for putting blu-ray content onto a DVD9

ooooooooh, i got ya

[Segitz]

It would be great (from a fanboys standpoint at least), if the PS3 version would crap all over the 360 version in terms of... well everything^^ I mean, better textures and sound (and more music), because of the BDROM and the like...

It would rock, just because for retaliation for all those crappy EA and UBI ports we got. (Same goes for Burnout Paradise)

[Shadow Voa]

Lookin forward to that one...

[jaxmkii]

It would be great (from a fanboys standpoint at least), if the PS3 version would crap all over the 360 version in terms of... well everything^^ I mean, better textures and sound (and more music), because of the BDROM and the like...

It would rock, just because for retaliation for all those crappy EA and UBI ports we got. (Same goes for Burnout Paradise)

i would be happy if they just took fill advantage of the 50 gigs buy making 360 use 6 disk. that way we could get the proper GTA4

[OG_Monkey]

if i had a ps3 id get it for that system. The only reason im getting it for the 360 is because of the DLC they are getting

[Luis]

You'll end up paying twice as much for a single game :-| Since it'll have multiplayer (and it'll be free on PS3 only), I don't see the need for more missions. However, I fear that the main game will fall short on content.

[masteratt]

No. It. Won't!

It's Rockstar and more importantly GTA!
When was the last time you felt ripped off with a Rockstar game due to lack of content?

[Luis]

:shifty:

I still think GTA IV's storyline won't be fully fleshed out as in previous GTA games.

[KRA]

No. It. Won't!

It's Rockstar and more importantly GTA!
When was the last time you felt ripped off with a Rockstar game due to lack of content?

i am with VGA.
don't really know if it will be short.
but i am preety sure that the ghost of DVD9 will be hunting this game in one way or another :)
anyway
about rockstar sucking....
there always have to be first time.
metallica have been sucking around for along time now :)
and i am affraid that the time has come for rockstar ;)
ok maybe not.
i really like what they want to do with GTA4
but i just don't see it happen in way it should be done on dvd9 :)

[masteratt]

Two words: Mass Effect.

Hush about DVD limit now not to mention Rockstar has 1000 million more experience than who-ever made Mass Effect so they can do a better job.

[Luis]

Yeah, yeah. And Oblivion is a 5 GB game but it's not exactly the most varied experience ever.

[Fillibuster]

Two words: Mass Effect.

Hush about DVD limit now not to mention Rockstar has 1000 million more experience than who-ever made Mass Effect so they can do a better job.

I only rented it and played for about an hour, but I heard the main story line was only about 12 hours...is that true?

[masteratt]

I dunno lol

I just been reading it's a good argument for the DVD because it is a very expansive RPG.

Whatever man, all I know is GTA4 is going to be 100% awesome, 0% disappointment.

DVD, CD, floppy disc, whatever it comes in.

[Luis]

I only rented it and played for about an hour, but I heard the main story line was only about 12 hours...is that true?I've seen people saying they had beaten it the day after they bought it, so most likely yes.

[Diresu]

I've seen people saying they had beaten it the day after they bought it, so most likely yes.

Took me about 36 hours to beat the game but the main story is fairly short, 15 hours or so. Thing is, dvd limitations for that game are very clear due to a lot of repeated levels, barren areas etc.

Also Masteratt I wouldn't say R* is more experienced then BioWare. They have been around for a long long time.

[cybergrue]

Also Masteratt I wouldn't say R* is more experienced then BioWare. They have been around for a long long time.

Wiki to the rescue.
Rockstar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_North)(as DMA) started in 1988 and was best known for Lemmings, published by Psygnosis in 1990.

Bioware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare) was started in 1995 by a pair of Doctors who initially wanted to develop medical software (hence the name)

Hmm, 20 vs 13. That said, both are damn good game companies (I have both companies breakout hits; Lemmings and Balders gate)

[KRA]

Took me about 36 hours to beat the game but the main story is fairly short, 15 hours or so. Thing is, dvd limitations for that game are very clear due to a lot of repeated levels, barren areas etc.

Also Masteratt I wouldn't say R* is more experienced then BioWare. They have been around for a long long time.

i remember not so long ago threads 'is blu-ray really that important for gaming ?'
and people stated that it will be in a few years hehe
sorry it's now.
it's already clear in any bigger game.
dvd limitasions in multiplatform games are obvious and will be even more.
repeated levels, artwork, voice work, short story lower qualitty ect.
anyone who deny is blind.

[Diresu]

Wiki to the rescue.
Rockstar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_North)(as DMA) started in 1988 and was best known for Lemmings, published by Psygnosis in 1990.

Bioware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare) was started in 1995 by a pair of Doctors who initially wanted to develop medical software (hence the name)

Hmm, 20 vs 13. That said, both are damn good game companies (I have both companies breakout hits; Lemmings and Balders gate)

Compare the number of hits. I think BioWare is in the lead on that one. Point was, don't discount BioWare they are a damn well known company with quite a long history of success.

[OG_Monkey]

No. It. Won't!

It's Rockstar and more importantly GTA!
When was the last time you felt ripped off with a Rockstar game due to lack of content?


You'll end up paying twice as much for a single game :-| Since it'll have multiplayer (and it'll be free on PS3 only), I don't see the need for more missions. However, I fear that the main game will fall short on content.

I dont think the DLC will be more than $20. Add when your adding HOURS of gameply to an already good game, thats a plus

[Luis]

I dont think the DLC will be more than $20. Add when your adding HOURS of gameply to an already good game, thats a plusWell, the Oblivion expansions are $30. They intend to release two expansion packs and they want each to be a significant extension of the game, so I wouldn't expect them to be cheap.

[OG_Monkey]

$30 on xbox live!? Or you mean the expansion packs on a disc for computers

Microsoft chooses the price of everything that goes on marketplace. Oblivion is one long ass game! So expansion packs for that game IS practically a game itself. However, DLC for GTAIV will so called add "hours" of gameplay but wont be worth mroe than $20 tops.....but then again, they paid what, $5 Million dollars for exclusive content? Microsoft will want ever dime back when it hits marketplace lol

[jaxmkii]

im prAYing 360s GTA will be multidisk.

[Luis]

$30 on xbox live!? Or you mean the expansion packs on a disc for computersYes, the latest expansion does cost that much on Live. If I were you I wouldn't be so sure on $20 tops. They paid 50 million for the two packs, and they said they were going to be huge expansions, so...

[OG_Monkey]

meh, im still not the one paying for it so i could care less

[Segitz]

Compare the number of hits. I think BioWare is in the lead on that one. Point was, don't discount BioWare they are a damn well known company with quite a long history of success.

Well, I will give this "fight" to Bioware...

I mean, just look at their lineup!

Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights, two multimillion sellers, which are still played online! And R* basically had Lemmings and GTA (Manhunt is crap imho^^) as really good sellers.

And lol, according to Wiki, Mass Effect 2 and 3 are already in production. If I were a mean ass, I'd say, they are already done (cut out of ME1 because DVD9 was too small^^).


I couldn't care less for that DLC. I mean, if they only add missions or a small story, then it isn't worth the money imho (GTA games never really where good at storys, imho). If they do as much sidemission stuff as in GTA3, I am content. I am just a bit sad, that there will be no planes. I liked those, to get fast from A to B. (Maybe they'll add those because of the delay)

[LiquidEagle]

Wow, none of you guys remember Space Station Silicon Valley for N64? For shame...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Silicon_Valley_Artwork.jpg

That game was badass...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think I remember that game, well, the box art.
What in god's name is that.

[LiquidEagle]

It's kind of a puzzle/platformer made by DMA Design, the studio that made GTA -- it's sweet :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, but the hook line on the cover is, 'in the year 3000 there are no petting zoos.' Um...sure whatever you say man.

[jaxmkii]

im prAYing 360s GTA will be multidisk.

seeing that OG_monkey neg repped me for this i should explain.

I would rather see it multidisk on 360 than be choped to fit onto one dvd.
so that way the Blu-ray could be taken advantage of seeing us PS3 owners wher willing to pay extra for that.

thanks for the neg rep OG your now on my shit list.

[julps31]

I got what you meant. Not that you wanna see it multi-disc so you can point and laugh...but don't wanna see the game hindered by the dvd format (and OG...you better put on your vest lol).

[OG_Monkey]

seeing that OG_monkey neg repped me for this i should explain.

I would rather see it multidisk on 360 than be choped to fit onto one dvd.
so that way the Blu-ray could be taken advantage of seeing us PS3 owners wher willing to pay extra for that.

thanks for the neg rep OG your now on my shit list.

LOL;

[Shadow Voa]

seeing that OG_monkey neg repped me for this i should explain.

I would rather see it multidisk on 360 than be choped to fit onto one dvd.
so that way the Blu-ray could be taken advantage of seeing us PS3 owners wher willing to pay extra for that.

thanks for the neg rep OG your now on my shit list.

Haha oh man that's priceless. Calling someone out for neg rep...

Let me try it, here's some rep OG_monkey just cause I laughed.

[frosty]

neg repping over someone expressing an opinion is something only a little bitch would do.

[Shadow Voa]

Uhhhh.. ok... party van's here. :(

[OG_Monkey]

neg repping over someone expressing an opinion is something only a little bitch would do.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x263/Blaze929/61xpvo0.gif


Uhhhh.. ok... party van's here. :(

haha lol

u was right man. so snappy

[Segitz]

http://www.vavavoomstudio.com/lol/oops.gif
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http://www.gsgraham.com/misc/shades.gif
http://www.walkersweb.org/~shannon/images/dajesusshake.gif

[dnpmakkah]

This shot looks like something out of a movie.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2126/gta02rl0.jpg
I can so picture this scene. He just got done with a high security bank heist. Packs the money into the bag, takes care of the witnesses and as he's walking away the camera goes in slow motion then pans behind him as the music kicks in.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6231/gta01dg4.jpg
So the trailer is out on the 6th, which is PSN update day. Seems like Rockstar and Sony plan this. Didn't they release their last trailer on a Thursday also or no?

[GTAce]

The 2nd pic is from the last trailer, dont know about the first one.

[NeoPlayStation]

New screens?

[GTAce]

HELL YEAH!

Looks great, smoother to me.

[Luis]

It looks slightly different now, but it's about the same as before.

[masteratt]

Holy fuck are you serious?

Woah, it's like they got a new engine lol
Kudos to Rockstar as always, these guys don't have the word "disappointment" in their dictionary.

[wotter]

Those two new pics look very good imo, can't wait for the trailer tomorrow.

[Luis]

Holy fuck are you serious?

Woah, it's like they got a new engine lolHoly fuck are you serious?

Woah, just show me what's so improved lol

[masteratt]

:p

The Niko character model I think looks much smoother.

That's the main thing and remember that shot of the two black guys in a pool place early on, compare that interior shot with the new one and the difference is very clear.


Oh and in case you didn't notice guys: You can change costumes.
But I hope it's more like GTA: VC where you change into a costume set instead of the game turning into a Barbie dress-up mini-game like in SA.

[Luis]

But I'm lazy to compare :( Can't you show me yourself? :-p

[masteratt]

*sigh* All the mouse clicking I do for this forum....Jeez:

Look at this, the interior looks like it was copy and pasted from GTA3:
http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/screenshots/011.jpg


And now look at this:
http://forums.e-mpire.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9150&d=1196859991

[Luis]

I really don't see how it looks far better than before :shrug:

[masteratt]

Wow okay then........¬_¬

*rolls eyes until they fall out of socket*

[Fats]

Things are a little smoother, but nothing too drastic.

[masteratt]

Oh another new one here. (http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1041)

The one with the sunrise/set.
I appreciate the scale but....fucking ew lol.
That looks pretty ugly.

[KiLLA2006]

just improved the textures a bit nothing too amazing! models look a bit more detailed so... added a few polys... overall the exact jump i expected...

[Luis]

Oh another new one here. (http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1041)

The one with the sunrise/set.
I appreciate the scale but....fucking ew lol.
That looks pretty ugly.But, but, but... tehy're liek tehy got a new vagine!!!!!1!!11eleven!!!2

:shifty:

[masteratt]

They got a new vagina? What? lol

[HighOnSunoco]

It looks slightly different now, but it's about the same as before.

agreed, it looks a little better. It could be just from different builds. Like the first trailer could be from the pre-alpha build. The second trailer from alpha build. These new screen shots and new trailer could be from the beta build of the game.

[dnpmakkah]

I bought my PS2 because of Vice City so I'm really looking forward to GTAIV. One thing I've learned from this generation is that games look better in motion than they do in still images. However, just going by those pictures they don't look too good IMO. I was most excited with the graphics from the 1st trailer, the last one didn't strike me as much so I'm hoping this one is sharper.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I bought my PS2 because of Vice City so I'm really looking forward to GTAIV. One thing I've learned from this generation is that games look better in motion than they do in still images. However, just going by those pictures they don't look too good IMO. I was most excited with the graphics from the 1st trailer, the last one didn't strike me as much so I'm hoping this one is sharper.

I reckon that's because before you saw the first trailer you were expecting the game to look like shit. :P

[Diresu]

Looks good for GTA.

[OG_Monkey]

this shits gonna be insane!

[cliffbo]

downgrade?

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/839/839703/grand-theft-auto-iv-20071205114854906.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Be quiet. >_>

[OG_Monkey]

i dont get it

[curryking1]

Game looks...

Ultimate? Maybe sexy is more appropriate... god damn...

P.S. Enough with the game length/storage size crap. Use your god damn heads people.

Uncharted is a 10 hour SP experience on one playthrough. 22 GB.

Oblivion is like 10 hours ignoring essentially all of the non-story things to do in it. The game can be 200+ hours doing all the stuff in it. 5 GB.

Chrono Trigger is ONE MEGABYTE (IIRC). It has the length of 20 hours of gameplay rushing through the story.

Now what the ***k does that tell you?

It tells you game length is 99.9% independent of the size of the game on the disc, ok? Only when you get to data sizes far lower than 1 MB will space become an impassable obstacle for game length.

What's important about Uncharted's size is that it gives it other things. Absurdly detailed worlds due to varied textures, varied models, so much brute individualized data, and so much opportunity for artists to go crazy (not increased texture sharpness). It's textures are sharp, but what truly sets it apart is the size of the game which allows so much crap to be stored in it.

Ok? There's your advantage in BD. Artists (visually, musically, etc) can go ***king bonkers, it has nothing to do with the god damn game length for the last god damn time!

P.P.S.

GTA IV > you. I await my awesome trailer.

@OG - Go live under a virtual internet rock. *All I want is to see gameplay*

Go cry about it. R* is going to show the game to us through means that will make us enjoy the final product even more.

You want up to the minute updates? Go follow some other craptacular game that needs all the media-hungry fandom it can get to get it sales because it can't on it's intrinsic quality alone.

GTA IV is something that will have great intrinsic quality, and R* knows what they are doing and you need to appreciate that.

P.P.P.S. I didn't mean to be so cruel OG lol! It just sounds better this way XD

[masteratt]

3 new shots here. (http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1042)

wow wow wow.
And confirmation that the other two shots are form tomorrow's trailer.

[cliffbo]

3 new shots here. (http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1042)

wow wow wow.
And confirmation that the other two shots are form tomorrow's trailer.

tomorrows trailer!? i'm behind the times here! where can i find that tomorrow? those pics give me a little more heart too

[masteratt]

UK Time of the trailer launch is 8pm.
6th December.

[Luis]

That looks nicer.

[GTAce]

Dayum that helicopter shot.
Nice shadowing and like i said it looks smoother than the old shots/videos.

[OG_Monkey]

P.P.P.S. I didn't mean to be so cruel OG lol! It just sounds better this way XD

...


3 new shots here. (http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1042)

wow wow wow.
And confirmation that the other two shots are form tomorrow's trailer.

nice, those buildings look amazing

[Fats]

:grouphug:

[OmniStalgic]

I'll agree it does look better than before...

but still iffy on this one because the last two GTa's left a bad taste in my mouth. Vice City not so much, but I didn't feel an urge to progress through the story and I found it to get repetitive fairly quickly when I did:shrug:

I'm hoping this one changes and really puts a gripping story in there with varied gameplay. And why not just have the story progress on it's own rather than having everything labeled as "missions". Give it a cohesive feel.

[Segitz]

I'll agree it does look better than before...

but still iffy on this one because the last two GTa's left a bad taste in my mouth. Vice City not so much, but I didn't feel an urge to progress through the story and I found it to get repetitive fairly quickly when I did:shrug:

I'm hoping this one changes and really puts a gripping story in there with varied gameplay. And why not just have the story progress on it's own rather than having everything labeled as "missions". Give it a cohesive feel.

I soooo agree^^

In most GTA games, the story felt so tacked on, it wasn't funny anymore. SA was different a bit (it had more... "heartfelt" moments) but the rest was boring imho. In GTA3 you didn't even open your mouth (damn you HL^^). If making something cinematic, you cannot emulate Jay and Silent Bob... I mean, if it would be soo very cool and original, why don't more directors do such movies?

[cliffbo]

anyone got a link to the new vid yet? i know it's 8 tonight, but i'd like to have it loaded and ready to hit

[OG_Monkey]

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2924.html

???

[cliffbo]

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2924.html

???

no, that's the box art vid... there is another vid out tonight at 8 GMT

[OG_Monkey]

i mean, thats where you can go to view it as soon as its released

I dont think a DIRECT link to the vid is out yet anywhere

[seahorse]

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/trailer_splash.html

it'll appear there. probably.

[masteratt]

Yeah but you'll probabl have to wait an hour at least until servers are usable on the official site.

I couldn't watch the 2nd trailer for hours since the site was either overloaded or it loaded veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowly.

I'm going to wait until around 11pm and then go get the HD version without a hussle :thumpsup:

[seahorse]

lol, i doubt you'll be able to wait that long.

[OG_Monkey]

i know

[Luis]

It should be quite easy to get it from PSN, but we'll see.

[masteratt]

lol, i doubt you'll be able to wait that long.
I did last time.
The trailer doesn't change so who cares, I rather get it hassle free then get it soon but wait 4 hours for it to download.


It should be quite easy to get it from PSN, but we'll see.
lol the speed Sony works at with PSN you'll see this trailer on there once the game releases.

[OG_Monkey]

lmfao

[Luis]

I remember some Xbots making fun of Sony because Microsoft made the latest trailer available the same day it was released on the official site, but minutes later it appeared on PSN as well.

[masteratt]

My bad.

The main idea I have from looking at the PS Store updates on the blog is that most things are a bit late.

I see demos and videos that are new to the PSN and I'm like "pfft, that's a bit old, no-one cares now."

Anyway, 2 and a half hours left for the launch.
Probably around 3 and a half/ 4 hours until I watch it in HD.

[Luis]

Yeah, and they're late with many things to be honest, mostly in Europe (where's my Blast Factor Advanced Research add-on? :(). However, they did have the previous GTA IV trailer on PSN the very same day it was released. Better than nothing I guess.

[OG_Monkey]

5 Mins

[masteratt]

I'll try to watch it but I don't think servers will handle it.

Here is to hoping!

[OG_Monkey]

we'll find out and see

[solidsnakejej]

it's up here
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_6003722_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000174181&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_r=0P9TDNMKC72FRW70ZY6H&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=337057901&pf_rd_i=507846

[OG_Monkey]

30 seconds!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28633.html

[masteratt]

solid's link works!

And
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

My expectations were through the roof but Rockstar took it to fucking heaven!

HELL YEAH!

[Overload]

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/trailer_splash.html

[OG_Monkey]

OH YEA MAN! THIS TRAILER WAS THE SHIT!l IM WATCHING AGAIN!

[masteratt]

Rockstar does it again.

Plain and simple, these guys own the industry.

[Luis]

Direct feed 720p (http://media.rockstargames.com/06ladies12/trialer3/1280x720.zip) :hugegrin: Don't download any other version, this is the original one and the rest are reencoded BS from gametrailers and whatnot.

[Epix]

Can someone MegaUpload?

[masteratt]

Man this makes Hollywood action flicks look shit.

Few things I noticed straight away:

The damage models for vehicles are SPOT-ON!

Fire looks great.

Amazing voice acting.

Car handling looks like it will be much better.

The fucking graphics went up a notch to say the least.

Smoother framerate.

Niko can get blood stains on his clothes


and man whatever, fucking awesome.

[OG_Monkey]

It was like a movie trailer. If this was a movie, this is what id want to go see

[GTAce]

Great.
Nothing more.

Bit sad that theres not so much in-game action (not graphics wise but from the gameplay).
The cutscenes are always different to the actual gameplay.
But overall incredible, cant wait to play this.

[OG_Monkey]

you just had to ruin the moment >_>

[curryking1]

Wicked, downloading at 1800 kb/s :)

Watching in.. now :P

I think I am going to be blown away reading masteratt's impressions :P

[masteratt]

Man I don't want to set the bar too high so after you watch it you won't go "wtf was masteratt so excited about" but man....shit.

Just..just watch it!
Thanks for the 720p link VG.
I can't wait until i see this in HD.

[GTAce]

you just had to ruin the moment >_>


GTAss
Ruins your moments incredible fast!
Order now: 555-THATJERK-FROMGERMANY

[Luis]

The trailer is on the US PSN already. Heh.

[OG_Monkey]

JUST pre-ordered it off Amazon lol

[masteratt]

Guys I don't want to be this excited!

Wtf am I goign to do until this release?! AAAAAAAAAHH!


The trailer is on the US PSN already. Heh.
masteratt am pwned :-[

[OG_Monkey]

Wait a minute....these trailers are actual cut scenes arent they?....great spoilers >_>

[masteratt]

Meh, not that much detail.
Those are probably not even 0.1% of the cutscenes the game will have.

And man *watches the HD version*
*a single tear runs down his cheek*
I don't LOVE a lot of things but I love GTA......*sniff sniff*

[Fredag]

:)
:)

[Luis]

Well, it's certainly looking better than before, but they surely need the extra time to work on the frame rate and whatnot. Still, I'm liking what I'm seeing :) I'm not sure I'll love the storyline, but the gameplay should be amazing.

[curryking1]

GET THE FUCK OUT!

@#$*@#*$#@*$*@#!!!!!!

ROCKSTAR IS KING!

That's mother ***king quality ***t right there mother ***kers!

Cinematic to the ***king height of... damnnnn!!!!!

You guys, wow, Rockstar is just wow. The world looks so cohesive, and hells ya to how awesome the driving looks, hopefully that is respective of how it plays during gameplay.

I mean ***k people. Look at the damn lighting in that ***t, seriously, look at the lighting, that's just frigging wicked for a 'flowerbox' game.

The water looks nice too, but what really has me is the people and the just the overall world environments in this title. It's just so god damn.. full of feeling it seems, especially from past screens we've seen and past trailers that just show how much stuff can be on screen at once.

The backgrounds, the world, the lighting, the fire was wicked sick... god damn Rockstar, release this mother ***king game ASAP!!!

I love this world that GTA always keeps making, it feels so much more 'there' than a lot of other games. It's not the freedom of walking around everywhere, it's more the look, the art, how everything 'fits' so ***king well, and this game is an order above any of the other games quite clearly.

I love the focus on the detail of the people the most though I must stress, this GTA game is looking like it will be major personal and in your face and realistic... just like Rockstar promised.

GTA IV.... you own me....

This ***t is just god damn sickkkkk!!!!

P.S. masteratt a few of your things are a bit presumptious, for example the blood getting on one's clothes, that may simply be from the cutscene. And a few others, even the driving physics even like I said, it might just be the cutscene, so we'll have to wait and see... but I know what you mean just by you mentioning it.

[masteratt]

haha, hell yeah man!!!!!

and I thought I was going over the top!!!!!!


about the cut-scene, you are right driving might be simply from a cut-scene but i think blood does get onto stuff.
Rockstar usually hint at gameplay features with these trailers!!

but omfg!!!!

shit man wtf we gonna do while waiting?!?!

[Luis]

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High res @ http://www.gamersyde.com/gallery_7160_en.html

Link to the direct feed 720p trailer (http://media.rockstargames.com/06ladies12/trialer3/1280x720.zip) for those who missed it in the previous pages.

[OG_Monkey]

wow, gifs and pics already

[curryking1]

haha, hell yeah man!!!!!

and I thought I was going over the top!!!!!!


about the cut-scene, you are right driving might be simply from a cut-scene but i think blood does get onto stuff.
Rockstar usually hint at gameplay features with these trailers!!

but omfg!!!!

shit man wtf we gonna do while waiting?!?!

I dunno!!! Everything else has suddenly become terribly boring!!

I downloaded all the GTA IV trailers in HD again.... I'm going to watch them over and over...

That's all I got :ohno:

VG...

***KKKKKKK!!!

Those gifs are ***king amazing!! I'm telling you people, look at the mother ***king lighting, and the mother ***king ambience and the mother ***king backgrounds and mother ***king effects and mother ***king detail! This game is going to be unbelievable... ***k! I'm so glad that videogames can claim they have something so awesome such as GTA....

Omg I love GTA....

[masteratt]

haha, that's exactly what i did as soon as a new trailer was announced.

they are now sitting at my desktop, known as the awesome 3rio.
GODS of trailers if you will.

Until MGS4 strikes.......But honestly...Okay okay I won't say it ¬_¬

*sigh*
*plays the waiting game*

[curryking1]

My stomach... hurting... to play... this game....

I feel terrible... I need to... distract... self... *runs away*

[Garfunkel]

OH SHIT! I'm downloading now, OMG OMG OMG!

Someone hold me while i start it.

[masteratt]

Just wear a diaper before you hit play.

[Fats]

Omg... That was SHIT!

[masteratt]

:p Good old reliable Red.

[Fats]

Just kidding, I haven't even watched it yet. :)

[masteratt]

Obviously.

You have to HATE gaming to say this trailer sucks.

[Fats]

GTA does have it's haters though.

Mostly Nintendo fans.

[masteratt]

Also, Vg- Those pics are big spoilers for people who haven't viewed the trailer yet.

[HighOnSunoco]

WOW I just watched the trailer :shocked:

boy has it gotten better since the last trailer, I hope RockStar doesn't delay it again.

^^^^ I know one person *coughs* MILR *coughs*

[Nameless]

I have to admit I was not excited for GTA, but now it's a day one purchase period! I know GTA can put together compelling stories with great voice acting, but this trailer is on another level with the upgraded visuals. I'm very impressed and expect many well known voices to be used in the game.

The trailer was fucking bananas!!! :shocked:

[Fillibuster]

*is speechless*

[Garfunkel]

Shitty bloody vc1 makes it so hard to play on linux...anyway, i got it working, it was ... Um.... FUCKING BLOODY AWESOME BABY!!!

That fire looks amazing!

[Overload]

Anyone else see that the video from the Playstation store is darker then the one from Rockstars site. I downloaded it the 720p video and transcoded it to see the difference.

One scene where I see particular difference is the one with the guy and the two chicks, both the chicks hair is black and for some reason you can barely see the difference between her hair and the background which also appears to be black for some reason.

[PUNK em 733]

I never was a GTA fan, just caused mayhem, and did crazy jumps, that about all for me. This game is the shit! I NEED this game, finally what looks to be a cohesive storyline.

Let the countdown begin.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Anyone else see that the video from the Playstation store is darker then the one from Rockstars site. I downloaded it the 720p video and transcoded it to see the difference.

One scene where I see particular difference is the one with the guy and the two chicks, both the chicks hair is black and for some reason you can barely see the difference between her hair and the background which also appears to be black for some reason.

Rockstar is responsible for the encoding, so blame them ;)

Oh, and the trailer is awesome :hugegrin:, the story looks really good this time.

[OG_Monkey]

What would be cool is if you can aim FPS style with guns now if oyu dont wanna auto lock

[Diresu]

Exactly what you expect a next gen GTA to be like (with better story).

[makeitlookreal]

I'm downloading the trailer now.

[makeitlookreal]

It looks slightly better than it did.

[Luis]

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gtaiv/screenshots/043.jpg

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[Sephiroth_VII]

Speedboat! Nice water for a GTA game, too.

[OG_Monkey]

i wonder if they kept that whole stats thing from San Andreas. Eating, going to the gym, speed, all that.

[masteratt]

Of course man.

[GTAce]

No it wont be in the game.
Eating yes, you can buy Hot Dogs to regain health iirc but you cant do that gym stuff and train your body etc.
The aiming will be like in RE4 which is perfect imo.

EDIT: Your pics dont show up VG but here theyre: http://www.gtagaming.com/

GOD DAMN!

[masteratt]

Oh I thought OG was just asking about the Stats page, my bad.

[masteratt]

Check out this thread (http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96951) guys should become interesting real quick.

It's an in depth analysis of the trailer.

[Fredag]

I have now seen the trailer frame by frame. *phew*

Some signs etc:
No problemo Bail bound
Girly Girl
Dental Center
Gym (Yes, a gym!)
Seeing Optical
Hero Shop
Spanky Beauty
Touchy Tuesdays (sign in the night club)

There is lots more, but I need a higher res vid to read them, or a less compressed one. But I was surprised to see that the rims on the cars are made of polys, and not just a texture, so you can see through the holes. I also find some textures that cheats the eye to look really highpoly, but they are well concealed from a distance. A good balance and some very nice attention to detail. (for a sandbox game)

When a gun is fired, the light from the mussel flash illuminates the face, the car and the ground for that single frame.

The streets are not crowded anymore though, I hope that's just temporary. I would rather have more people than a few highpoly ones.

[dnpmakkah]

Positives: music, story, acting
Negatives: graphics, animation

Still think it's going to be a really good game in the end. GTA's always are.

[curryking1]

OG you can manual aim with every weapon in GTA SA, just FYI.

Of course you will be able to in GTA IV. I wouldn't be suprised if they adopt even further TPS shooting angles like RE4's or something.

^Animation? Really?

I'm seeing some solid animation character wise for gameplay segments throughout all the trailers.

I wouldn't call it a negative, certainly not mindblowing, yet still over par at least. If this is negative where it really poops on almost all other games out lately which use mostly cookie cutter stuff that satisfied even mediocre last gen material...

The walking animations are nice. The eyes of characters look and move nice. The fist fighting is not so shabby for such a broad game. The characters even move around in their car seats. People make tons of hand gestures just on the side of the road and such (one guy was buying a hot dog in an earlier trailer).

That's a lot of attention to animation detail to me.

Physically the cars seem to 'animate' excellently as well. In the second and first trailer it's apparent, and same with the third trailer (not the car chase scene, but closer to the beginning where there's some cars just driving through and past intersections, they move a little bit exaggerated maybe but very convincingly).

[curryking1]

Check out this thread (http://www.gtagaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96951) guys should become interesting real quick.

It's an in depth analysis of the trailer.

Not very good analysis on some of the pictures..


The pedestrian circled can be seen running away while a police chase, which involves a helicopter, instead of just staring blankly.

It's funny because the pedestrian is almost for sure the player... lol.

One of them was nice though, the tattoos on the shirtless white dude are 1) Mommy and 2) "Me" in chinese letters, that was interesting.

Sorry for double post, oops :P

This one is sick btw, the dent on the back of the car, very slight dent.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n9/some_doing/dentedcopcar2.jpg

Interesting that one pedestrian also holds an umbrella in the rain as in the link masteratt posted, that's cool.

[OG_Monkey]

OG you can manual aim with every weapon in GTA SA, just FYI.




i didnt mean manual aim where you see the body, you walk slow, sidestep, all that and aim 3rd person. i mean, aim FPS style and look, well, like a FPS

[curryking1]

Why the hell would you want to do that in a TPS game exactly? Unless for the sniper rifle?

Serious question btw.

Unless it's a scope zoom for sniping with rifles and automatic rifles, I'm not seeing it useful at all.

They would've put that in GTA SA if they wanted FPS shooting mechanics.

Another cool picture btw is the one with the old man, someone awesomely pointed out a character from the second trailer in it. The lady who says "Please, no more killing!" is in a picture hanging on the wall on the right side.

I think it's best to guess the old man is related to Niko, as well as the girl. Maybe close family friends or something or the other, close in some way.

[OG_Monkey]

Why the hell would you want to do that in a TPS game exactly? Unless for the sniper rifle?

Serious question btw.

They would've put that in GTA SA if they wanted FPS shooting mechanics.



becaaaaaaaaause its COOL

Why WOULDNT i want to do that? Id like to FPS for manual aim then have it be like San Andreas where you, well you know what i mean.

[VideoGame mania]

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16549
Full trailer analysis.

[julps31]

Positives: music, story, acting
[]bNegatives: graphics, animation[/b]

Still think it's going to be a really good game in the end. GTA's always are.Not even worth mentioning imo. Its GTA..not known for having amazing graphics. Plus i'm satisifed with them.

With that being said.

That trailer was siiiiickkk!! Its like being in a movie!!! I can't wait.

[curryking1]

becaaaaaaaaause its COOL

Why WOULDNT i want to do that? Id like to FPS for manual aim then have it be like San Andreas where you, well you know what i mean.

I think you're stupid.

HA! I win!

XD

Man, everyone in this thread is bolding like there's gonna be no tomorrow! AHHHH!!

The big letters will eat everyone omg! PANIC!

[julps31]

Man, everyone in this thread is bolding like there's gonna be no tomorrow! AHHHH!!

The big letters will eat everyone omg! PANIC!
Lol yea. I had to follow the trend or i woulda felt left out. ;) lol..j/k

[OG_Monkey]

I think you're stupid.

HA! I win!

XD

I think....I do wanna be a french fry.

[CreativeWriter]

Yeah, the graphics look worse now that I've played the Uncharted demo. Like everyone else, I'm still hopeful for a great end product.

[HolyPaladin]

GTA does have it's haters though.

Mostly Nintendo fans.

Somehow I doubt that. I haven't met a Nintendo fan that hates GTA. I'm a Nintendo fan and I own all the 3D GTA games, from III through Vice City Stories, and have had IV pre-ordered for ages.

[LiquidEagle]

Trailer was awesome -- graphics were pretty rough around the edges, but overall a really cool trailer for what's looking like an amazing game. :)

[Garfunkel]

The graphical side of the game will never be considered good by today's standards, you just have to appreciate the scope and how difficult it must be for R* to perform on that size.

And also that the 360 hold R* back ;)

[Bsack]

Somehow I doubt that. I haven't met a Nintendo fan that hates GTA. I'm a Nintendo fan and I own all the 3D GTA games, from III through Vice City Stories, and have had IV pre-ordered for ages.

I'm not the biggest fan of the GTA series because I find them to get very repetitive as far as gameplay goes. This game looks to be pretty interesting, but I don't know how long it will be able to hold my interest though.

[Smokey]

i hated SA.. too much homeboy shit. this one looks cool a bit like VC

[Segitz]

i hated SA.. too much homeboy shit. this one looks cool a bit like VC

Yeah, I too thought so quite a bit... But later one (leaving your homecourt) it got better

But this still makes Rockstar look like they have really bad storywriters. Mafia, Yakuza, Russian mob... whatever their story involves has already been done to death in every other media.

They could have tilted the story different, like in Uncharted for example, where a "normal" guy gets involved in all that shit^^

But we'll see how it pans out in the end. I hope you can do really ridiculous shit like in GTA3, owning a used car lot (but to a bigger degree... making money that way for example, not only "get that car undamaged in 30 seconds")

And, I hope they don't force "timed" missions upon us, I hate that shit. And I hope, they don't make it too hard. There were some missions in GTA:SA that were simply impossible on the PS2 (but doable on a PC). The races for example sometimes are just too hard.

[Smokey]

a big reason i couldnt get into VC as well was id just into online Gaming on ps2 & it bored the shit outta me playing by myself haha. plus i loved the sound track (radio stations) on VC

[Smokey]

and theyve even got the hang right

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/SMOKEYseven/Mypics006.jpg

[curryking1]

I totally understand where everyone says the graphics are rough around the edges and such, and I also see that it's not bothering anyone, it is just the way it is.

But you guys gotta pay attention to the lighting in this game. And the colours. And the intracacies yet simplicities of the art. I dunno, R* just knows how to do a lot of crap, they seem to have so much talent. They know how to just get everything in a make it work so cooperatively.

The lighting is absurdly soft, watch how it curls around characters (noticeable mostly in the scene with the screaming old man and the other one being the tough guy who asks 'who are you working for?'

It is also a low resolution shadow, but it matches the quality of resolution to everything else, giving that more consistent look. It's softness makes up for everything, it doesn't give the impression that it's low resolution nearly as much as it probably is.

Also note the hair how they've had it light up around it's edges. It's a nice touch for the tone of the game.

Some other things I've noticed, old man animation of walking is really slow and jittery, there's people holding cups and drinking while walking, and the people have different walking paces.

Also about the density of pedestrians and cars, you gotta take a look at the backgrounds and go frame by frame through the trailer, there's lots of pedestrians and cars in a few shots and what's even better about it is that there are a lot of them that aren't even very close to the player at all. Also glad they have bullet holes in the cars now (shown at a part where Niko is crouched beside a car and shooting an AK, it's like a 1.5 second clip), and the cars are really, really nicely modeled for what kind of game this is.

The wheels are amazingly well done, and also a really nice touch is the light from the headlights (which is only one light source but looks like two artistically, not actually two as I noticed) actually works as a 'flashlight' now and changes intensity and how much it lights up the area in front according to the angle it coordinates with the ground in front (in GTA SA it always maintained the same length). Another nice thing about the light is that the white paint marks on the road actually reflect more than than the road itself, another expert touch that really shows how interested R* is in atmosphere and the expression of it just through the most minute things in the world.

There's so many little things to mention it's actually hard to go through all of them.


and theyve even got the hang right

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u251/SMOKEYseven/Mypics006.jpg

Exactly! This is what I mean! This is what R* is capable of and they can do it to every little corner of their game. Seriously, appreciate what the next gen systems power allows R* to do now, it's pretty much pay attention to everything, or at least 10 or maybe even 100 times more than what they could've even hoped to get on the PS2. Their artists and programmers can do a crapload more and it shows just through a 2 min trailer (obviously they've used parts to highlight all these features).


Yeah, I too thought so quite a bit... But later one (leaving your homecourt) it got better

But this still makes Rockstar look like they have really bad storywriters. Mafia, Yakuza, Russian mob... whatever their story involves has already been done to death in every other media.

They could have tilted the story different, like in Uncharted for example, where a "normal" guy gets involved in all that shit^^

But we'll see how it pans out in the end. I hope you can do really ridiculous shit like in GTA3, owning a used car lot (but to a bigger degree... making money that way for example, not only "get that car undamaged in 30 seconds")

I'm COMPLETELY missing this basis of your criticism of the story Segitz (glad you got Uncharted btw :P). This is the same deal actually. Niko is a normal guy and isn't going to get rich, he is simply thrown into New York as a normal guy.

It's like criticizing HL3 for probably having aliens. You should also appreciate the fact that this guy is a normal guy, and it's also a heavy exploration of the world of New York through the eyes of a new immigrant during his most early years of being an immigrant.

How many other mob movies are about some Ukrainian guy just fresh off the boat? This isn't Mr. Italian 101 getting thrust into the biggest mob in town right away. This is Niko struggling outside mobs and with smaller criminals. Realise and look and how much further this story is personal to Niko and not to the grander scale of Italian Mafia #1 of New York. Especially considering this one isn't going to get rich right away and be able to cop 100s of millions of dollars right off the bat as R* has made it clear in interviews about.

Why isn't he going to get rich, own a bunch of businesses, and have a car show? Because R* realises that a guy with a million bucks and a car show home isn't going to be running errands for mob X on the streets.

Also note the characters Niko is meeting. None of them are extreme stereotypes of characters facially. The white muscular guy, he doesn't look 100% like a stereotype character through his face. He really just looks like 'some dude' who happens to fall into wanting to reach that stereotype. Some have a few choice features to draw their characters (like the muscles and tattoos of the muscular guy), but also notice the girl who asks 'so, where are you taking me?' She looks just like... a person. Some girl, she isn't overly gorgeous, but she has that light sensual sweet beauty look.

This isn't Scarface as should be duly noted, and it's certainly not The Godfather in pretty much every sense. This is some FOB Niko from Ukraine being tossed around in the wind of New York. There is no 'The World is Yours' motto for this game.

As well, Uncharted was new, but remember that it took the idea straight out of fiction from the 80s and 90s kind of film, guy just thrown into the coup. New for gaming, but keep in mind this game is not much different in this respect.

And please... Rockstar has bad story writers? R* is arguably the most talent rich developer in gaming today. Concerning atmosphere as well? I would call them the best. I haven't seen another game that sets mood even remotely like these trailers have, not one. Uncharted's quality of 'bringing you in' is the only game I would even remotely parallel to this stuff that R* is doing with GTA IV.

The art in this game has me astounded. It looks 'full.' Everything is on the same page. This game is seriously going to display what R* can do. For a flowerbox game on the PS2 realise how absurdly limited they were technically to do anything remotely meaningful emotionally and how hard it was to get environments totally immersive through graphics and they recognized that. This is a good lead into why they went into making the fiction of the world, like Clucking Bell and having brands and having real places and things being modeled after so they could emulate that feeling of a city and world. The next gen systems open some serious room for all sorts of effects, and god damn I must stress the lighting model.


And, I hope they don't force "timed" missions upon us, I hate that shit. And I hope, they don't make it too hard. There were some missions in GTA:SA that were simply impossible on the PS2 (but doable on a PC). The races for example sometimes are just too hard.

Really? GTA SA missions hard? I can't name one I had any degree of major difficulty with. I know in GTA III and GTA VC there were a few ridiculous missions concerning their difficulty, but as far as I can remember SA's were a lot easier, the chasing missions the enemy would actually wait for you quite often if you fell behind in SA (not so for either VC or III).

[dnpmakkah]

Wouldn't it be crazy if all the big games come out next fall for example

September: Killzone 2
October: GTAIV
November: MGS4
December: GT5

**Throw in the possibility of FFXIII (doubt it) but still that would be an awesome lineup.

[curryking1]

God... I want those games so bad... That's my big 5...

Metal Gear Solid 4 - Guns of the Patriots
Grand Theft Auto IV
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy XIII
Killzone 2

Gahhhhhh... when I have all of those on my desk... I'm going to be very.. very... super... happy.

I hope to god MGS4 and GTA IV are early 07 releases... I need some of these games.. now...

[KRA]

Wouldn't it be crazy if all the big games come out next fall for example

September: Killzone 2
October: GTAIV
November: MGS4
December: GT5

**Throw in the possibility of FFXIII (doubt it) but still that would be an awesome lineup.

i think white knight story will be first :)
and resident evil 5 is going to be out in 2008 ?

[dnpmakkah]

RE5 is 2009 I believe.

[Luis]

Yeah, I too thought so quite a bit... But later one (leaving your homecourt) it got betterIndeed, I didn't like that either but it got so much better after that.


I hope to god MGS4 and GTA IV are early 07 releases... I need some of these games.. now...:look:

So... who's going to give Curry the bad news? :look:


RE5 is 2009 I believe.It doesn't have a tentative release date at all, I'm afraid. The developers even hinted at maybe not having it ready before 2010...

[curryking1]

=-o

I.... am crying...

:cry2:

[CARTIER90]

As good as the trailer is, framerates a bit choppy...still!.....

[cliffbo]

call me wrong! i've changed my mind! this is SWEEEEEEET!

[Luis]

It's still a few months from being finished, they'll improve that. Don't expect a perfect framerate in any case... just by looking at previous GTA games anyway.

[cliffbo]

Pachter: GTA Dev Rockstar North May Eventually 'Pull a Bungie,' Split from Take-Two
by Chris Remo Dec 06, 2007 9:14am CST
Speaking to Shacknews, frequently-cited Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter expressed his belief that acclaimed Grand Theft Auto series developer Rockstar North may look to split off from parent Take-Two Interactive in 2009.

According to Pachter, Sam and Dan Houser, founders of Take-Two publisher subsidiary Rockstar Games, have a contract with Take-Two that expires in February 2009. Following the precedent of Bungie Studios' epic maneuver to independence in October, the Housers may then attempt to gauge the company's value on the market.

"I don't think that this is an issue of dissatisfaction with Take-Two; rather, I think it is rational to believe that in the wake of the $850 million Pandemic/BioWare deal, high quality developers like Bungie and [Rockstar] North would look to test their market value," said Pachter. Rockstar North has famously enjoyed a great amount of freedom under Take-Two, as the developer of what is by far the company's strongest property.

Pachter also pointed out that the Housers remain close to key members of the Rockstar North development team, including Les Benzies, who is part of the studio's management team and also directs development of the Grand Theft Auto games. The studio was formerly known as DMA Design, and became part of Take-Two prior to the release of Grand Theft Auto III.

Rockstar North's next game, Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3, X360), is expected early next year. New screenshots were just released, with a new trailer expected today.

In a GameDaily piece published yesterday, Pachter characterized the possibility of a split as "pull[ing] a Bungie." He does not expect EA to look at Take-Two as a potential acquisition in order to compete with newly created behemoth Activision Blizzard. "An EA acquisition would not happen unless there was some assurance that the key employees at R* planned to stick around," he added to Shacknews. "That risk is enough to scare EA away."


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50234

[belgarn]

I so need a console when this game hits the streets... looking hawt :lick:

[OG_Monkey]

Wouldn't it be crazy if all the big games come out next fall for example

September: Killzone 2
October: GTAIV
November: MGS4
December: GT5

**Throw in the possibility of FFXIII (doubt it) but still that would be an awesome lineup.

the hell it wouldnt. You know how long of a wait that is, that would kill me

You really think GTAIV will come out October 08? I mean, they've all been released in October....

[VideoGame mania]

New pictures, they should turn down the bloom. I can easily recognize the locations.
http://www.n4g.com/News-91077.aspx
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6262/91078medim4.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8636/91079medyh1.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/38/91086medpv2.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3154/91087medrt7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8324/91083medxs5.jpg
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5395/91082medks4.jpg
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4656/91080wy5.jpg
more here http://www.consolewars.eu/news/18813/grand_theft_auto_iv_neue_screens/

[OG_Monkey]

love this one:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x263/Blaze929/GTAIV/consolewarsimage.jpg

[curryking1]

Oh my ***king lord.... it looks spectacular... I feel like I'm back in 1999 looking at some GTA III screenshots again, this is ***king wicked...

[woundingchaney]

Screenshots confirmed by Quaz at B3D to be 720p 2xAA in both version, should be relevant to actual game resolution (hopefully anyways).

Game is looking impressive on many levels.

[masteratt]

My imaginations is not even great enough to imagine playing this......When I get it in my hands I'm going to go nuts.

[belgarn]

Lets hope that the online mode will be great, I cant imagine all the possibilities when playing with a friend!

[curryking1]

*Tries to imagine playing...*

*Head overheats from too much awesomeness trying to be imagined*

*Starts to hyperventilate, needs... more... energy... for imagination...*

*collapses from heat exhaustion and lack of blood flowing to brain...*

[masteratt]

haha, exactly.

[julps31]

Oh my ***king lord.... it looks spectacular... I feel like I'm back in 1999 looking at some GTA III screenshots again, this is ***king wicked...Hell yea...i'm gettin that same feeling lol. This looks like it'll be the Gta's that really moves the series along and keeps it fresh. Looks so cinematic and...big lol. Man this games gonna be classic and i loved all the GTA games.

[Fats]

*Tries to imagine playing...*

*Head overheats from too much awesomeness trying to be imagined*

*Starts to hyperventilate, needs... more... energy... for imagination...*

*collapses from heat exhaustion and lack of blood flowing to brain...*

WTF?

How many times have you actually busted a nut in this thread?

[curryking1]

4?

5?

27?!

I dunno... When I love things... I LOVE them :-D

And when I love stuff, there's always damn good reason for me too :):):)

I may have been overstudying lately too, so... I'm a bit crazy right now :'(

I'm going to have to distract myself again.... have a nice day everyone... :(

Edit - One more thing!!!


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50234

I think we all know who needs to pick up R* North if this happens..

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>.>

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.......especially since SCEWW does give people buttloads of money and provides amazing creative freedom...

[venomv]

It was an ok trailer, that's about it....

[dnpmakkah]

You really think GTAIV will come out October 08? I mean, they've all been released in October....Yeah that's mainly the reason why I think so. GTA, MGS4, Killzone 2 I think they say early 08 so people can still talk about them and be excited for them...then push it back to fall later. I hope I'm wrong but I don't know.

[Luis]

For the first time, a GTA game will be released in two different platforms and for the first time too, it has been delayed for a few months (the PS2 GTAs usually were delayed for a week for manufacturing purposes, to coincide with the release of the PSTwo and other things not related to development). It could be the first time in years a given GTA title is released around March or April.

[curryking1]

Smart point VG, and not only because I hope you're right.

An early year release might make sense just because the situation is quite different in the ways you said and because R* tends to start releasing the waay awesomer trailers that are relatively close to release (so we should hope they haven't changed their trailer release habits too).

The next time we see a big magazine blow out on the title that names tons of gameplay features (without all the 'guessing' but actual run downs and explanations for stuff straight out of R*) I think will be most indicative of when exactly we GTA IV. Big blowouts from magazines have usually been a month or two (three?) before the GTA releases in the past I think.

As always, hoping for earlier over later.

[cliffbo]

My imaginations is not even great enough to imagine playing this......When I get it in my hands I'm going to go nuts.

LOL... i'm with you on that! the mind boggles

[OmniStalgic]

meh...

This would've been a nice boost for Sony to catch up to worldwide sales with X360:-(

Rockstar probably wanted like a Gazillion dollars this time tho lol...

I'm not overly impressed, but I'll wait for someone to play the game on the forums to see if I'll pick it up or not. Its looking better than the first trailer that's for sure. But it's still not on my must-have lists yet...

[curryking1]

Just FYI to people, www.planetgrandtheftauto.com claims that the latest release date for GTA IV will be April 2008.


Rockstar Games, Microsoft and Sony are bringing Grand Theft Auto IV to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. The original release dates were October 16, 2007 in the United States and October 19, 2007 in Europe. However, due to a delay announced on August 2, 2007, the game will now not be out until, at the latest, April 2008.

Just saying because a site like that is the one to follow GTA IV news the most.

www.GTA4.net has a buttload of screenshots btw, a lot of great ones in the screenshots section. Most are from the trailers but they seem to have all of the screens released or leaked not from the trailers.

Also read the feature list on GTA4.net, maybe not all are completely confirmed but it's a nice read I guess.

Also, the particle effects are beautiful in this game.

The two things I really like with what they've is 1) they've put particle effects pretty much everywhere you want them. Watch when the car jumps into the intersection in the third trailer and then lands. It kicks up all kinds of sweet splashes around the tires.

2) is that they've kept the particles for the most part mono-coloured and monotonous as well, so when there's a ton of particles together, they don't clash but blend in for the impression of a thicker effect than if they were more clearly distinguishable.

It's very noticeable when water is kicked up by the car (trailer 3), when the boats are traveling through the water (trailer 3) and also when the helicopter is close to the water body splashing the ocean or when it kicks up water from the wet roads (trailer 3).

All have lots of particle effects and they look even better as they blend in.

Shooting particle effects are nice too, they've put some nice touches like having a different effect for behind the gun (the light is far brighter, example the shotgun as you can see through frame by frame viewing of trailer 3) and when you are in the sights of the gun the light effect is more concentrated. And I like how they've exaggerated closer coronas as opposed to farther ones (this is apparent in the screenshot with the Audi and the cab part of a truck down an alleyway).

The explosion effects seem to have taken a little inspiration from MGS3 btw (not that I'm claiming they looked at it and went 'Oh we should copy it' etc etc). Look at a death of a boss character other than The Boss and then look at these explosions, you'll notice a few similarities (which I really like from both) like a main grey smoke effect, a nice light effect partially covered by the grey particles for the combustion part of it, and grey 'streamers' coming from out of the base of the explosion. And of course the awesome 'firework' kind of sparks.

Last thing I wanted to mention was the rolling water which is really awesome. I was scared they wouldn't implement it this time around but just like console versions of GTA III, VC, and SA, the water does 'wave' up and down instead of stay static for example like in most other titles with water which just do a shader effect. I'm still wondering whether or not the boats make a split in the water, I can't tell (they did not in any previous GTAs as the PS2 was not nearly worth expending the power for it as it obviously needed the power elsewhere).

[cliffbo]

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_188869.jpg

[frosty]

^ guess that answers your question curry, no wake created by the boats.

[dnpmakkah]

I know this means little but it's still worth mentioning. On Amazon they always have this graph up of multiplatform games that shows which system it is currently selling the most on. The number constantly changes ususally every hour or so. Most games that have been featured on here (for example Assasins Creed & COD4) always have the 360 version selling the most. Today they have GTAIV and surprisingly (or not) the PS3 version is much higher than the 360.

Granted this means very little and it's only one site but I wonder which platform GTA is really going to help. A lot of people point to the DLC the 360 has for it but on the opposite side you have a lot of people who associate Playstation and GTA as one of the same. Could get really interesting when this game comes out if these numbers stay constant till then.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5044/gtabr0.jpg

[curryking1]

It's possible many mainstream consumers still think of Playstation when they think of GTA.

The onus would be on Microsoft to make sure consumers know that GTA IV is on the Xbox as well, which of course I'm sure they will. How good they do so will be the difference. I don't see any real problems in them being able to do this as long as people are letting the consumers know on the frontline of the retail business.

Hypothetically it could be difficult, it also may be easy, I don't know to say which it would be. Hypothetically as well it is that the association might not change with GTA and PS, but hypothetically it also has already changed against the PS3s favour, again I don't know enough to say which way, I don't think any of us can do so.

Sony should also be keying in on this title, it's release it certainly going to be a pivotal point in the console race. They should do everything they can to make sure PS3 is associated with GTA as much as they can. Ideally they would have an advertisement similar to Assassin's Creed only ending in the PS3 brand name.

[dnpmakkah]

I don't think it will happen but could you imagine if PS3 drops to $299.00 when this hits. The low price along with the PS3/GTAIV namebrand could be huge. Of course the 360 could lower it's price and pretty much negate everything I just said.

[curryking1]

Don't assume a price difference is equally relevant at all stages of a generation.

399 vs 299 and 299 vs 199? Changing one variable changes the effect of other variables, everything is interdependent.

I'm not saying when either is better, I'm just saying everything changes when price changes, not just the appeal to a new lower price.

If I had to guess, brand and image gets a lot more integral at lower prices.

[OG_Monkey]

I know this means little but it's still worth mentioning. On Amazon they always have this graph up of multiplatform games that shows which system it is currently selling the most on. The number constantly changes ususally every hour or so. Most games that have been featured on here (for example Assasins Creed & COD4) always have the 360 version selling the most. Today they have GTAIV and surprisingly (or not) the PS3 version is much higher than the 360.

Granted this means very little and it's only one site but I wonder which platform GTA is really going to help. A lot of people point to the DLC the 360 has for it but on the opposite side you have a lot of people who associate Playstation and GTA as one of the same. Could get really interesting when this game comes out if these numbers stay constant till then.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5044/gtabr0.jpg

dont wanna sound like a xbox fanboy, but you shouldve did that post months ago. The 360 number was way higher, most the 360 owners have pre-ordered their copy and are done. Now all the PS3 owners are doing the same and the 360-ers are already done.

[dnpmakkah]

dont wanna sound like a xbox fanboy, but you shouldve did that post months ago. The 360 number was way higher, most the 360 owners have pre-ordered their copy and are done. Now all the PS3 owners are doing the same and the 360-ers are already done.I wouldn't be surprised. The thing changes so much and they put a new poll up every few minutes I probably missed the one when the 360 SKU was in the lead. Everytime I'd see Assasins Creed, COD4, Rockband, Guitar Hero it would always have the 360 selling more. This is still the first time I've seen any PS3 multiplatform game in the lead ever so it was a bit of a shock.

[Sephiroth_VII]

If we can trust what Amazon writes, this thing is based on all sales of the game upto this point, and not just an hour. This means that the PS3 version has definitely outsold the 360 one on Amazon.

[frosty]

dont wanna sound like a xbox fanboy, but you shouldve did that post months ago. The 360 number was way higher, most the 360 owners have pre-ordered their copy and are done. Now all the PS3 owners are doing the same and the 360-ers are already done.

what difference does it make, considering it is based on all time sales (which means the numbers from when 360 was on top are still there) and the fact that there are at least 2 360's out there for every one ps3 sold, I'd say that's a pretty damn impressive feat.

[OG_Monkey]

yea, i didnt know it was all time sales

I also didnt notice it was for the Special Edition, not the regular.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by the Evolved dude
The PS3 version of GTAIV doesn't have to have audio chat of any kind for any online mode

is this true?

[masteratt]

Doesn't HAVE to, obviously but I'm sure Rockstar will put it in.

[Kiwi]

He said it doesn't have to have it, not that it won't. But it should have it anyway.

Damn you masteratt! *shakes fist*

[Smokey]

be fucking gay if ya cant voice chat online. might not be a buy if i cant :(

[Kiwi]

You wouldn't buy it if it didn't include voice chat?!

I think you've got your priorities wrong smokey.....

[Smokey]

playing offline bores the shit out of me now... but i think im going through another transistional stage of not minding a bit of Offline. there are certain games wich ill only play online eg Racing, shootin. but there are certain games which i like to keep to myself eg MGS, SH... GTA could be one of those. to me that Formula One game was crap no online chat i mean c'mon why would ya bother?

[Kiwi]

I guess you're right. It not being included in GTA wouldn't stop me from getting it though. I'd probably be more bothered if I had a headset.

Actually, while we're on the subject, can somebody recommend a good bluetooth headset?

[Smokey]

ive got a

Plantronics EXPLORER 320

its fuckin awsome usually get 2 nights of 4-6 hours gaming before needs a charge

[Fats]

^I had a Plantronics something or other and it was a piece of shite.

[Kiwi]

If that's the one you were using when we played Motorstorm, then I'd agree with that.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Just buy the Eye, you'll probably want it at some point anyway.

[Kiwi]

Oh yea, I forgot the PSEye has microphones on it. What's the sound quality like?

[GTAce]

The mic is unbelievable awesome, even when youre a few meters away the sound is still loud and clear.

[Kiwi]

Sweet, I'll probably get one after Christmas.

[Sephiroth_VII]

The sound really is perfect, the array of 4 mikes makes a difference.

[OG_Monkey]

I just hope if this IS online it sure as hell will be better and more fun than Saints Row. God that was awful

[julps31]

Yea Gta would be crazy online if done right. Definantly alotta potential in it. Not a neccesity cause its always been a great single player experience imo. But would be a nice addition to keep everything fresh..

[OG_Monkey]

Yea, i could care less about this game being online. I really dont want it to. But id want a MMO type GTA for sure. But hey, if its done right it could be cool

[julps31]

Agreed. I'm just excited about what i've seen so far lol... Can't wait till I can play it myself.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Wow, this is actually page 100! Been a while since a thread grew that big outside of the Madhouse.

[cliffbo]

Wow, this is actually page 100! Been a while since a thread grew that big outside of the Madhouse.

eh? i've got page 34! achievements or virtual rewards in HOME? what do you think?

[masteratt]

Steam introduced Achievements and it never made me think "oh i should play again to get achievements".

I've said since day one I think they are pointless.

And I wouldn't care less if GTA doesn't have online.
Online and achievements are placed too highly on must-have list of devs and to me it's annoying.

Just make an awesome game to play.

But the general attitude now is like "omg it doesn't even have online?!?!" Like reaction to Uncharted.

[Fats]

Some games just don't need online, it's as simple as that. I would not regard GTA IV as being a game that needs an online mode, it'd be a nice addition, but the game is going to rock with or without it.