Another "Is this TV good?" thread

[Sephiroth_VII]

Since I'm getting a PS3 sometime this week, I've been looking at some TV's. This one's cheap, compatible with HDCP, and has Full HD 1080p.

I've translated some of the phrases from German, so I hope it's legible for the English speaking majority here.

Specifications:
- Price: 1928.71 USD
- 42"
- Helligkeit 550cd/qm
- Kontrast 1.200:1
- Full HD Auflösung 1920 x 1080
- Reaktionszeit 8ms
- Format 16:9
- HDMI/DVI mit HDCP
- exklusive Channel Rename Funktion
- V-Chip und CCD Funktion
- Color correction
- eingebauter ATSC-Tuner(?)
- 1000 TEXT-TV pages
- 2x SCART
- TV System: PAL/SECAM/ATSC/NTSC
- VESA kompatibel.

Source (https://www.cyberport.de/item/1252/1019/0/70460/item.html)
Is it good?

[Epix]

Looks good. Double check that the HDMI inputs ACCEPT 1080p signals if you want to maximize your PS3 experience.

[gogogow]

Looks good. Double check that the HDMI inputs ACCEPT 1080p signals if you want to maximize your PS3 experience.
It's an 1080p TV and only has an hdmi port as digital input, and 2 scarts which are analog inputs, so there's no way the hdmi port doesn't accept 1080p signals.

Specs looks good, aside from the contrast which is kinda low for a 1080p TV, but not terrible.
You really have to see it in action before we can judge the quality, the most important thing is how bad the bleeding is.
Many "no name" TV's has horrible bleeding, which destroys the image quality of the TV.

[Epix]

It's an 1080p TV and only has an hdmi port as digital input, and 2 scarts which are analog inputs, so there's no way the hdmi port doesn't accept 1080p signals.

Specs looks good, aside from the contrast which is kinda low for a 1080p TV, but not terrible.
You really have to see it in action before we can judge the quality, the most important thing is how bad the bleeding is.
Many "no name" TV's has horrible bleeding, which destroys the image quality of the TV.

What do you mean "no way the hdmi port doesn't accept 1080p signals?" I've seen plenty of 1080p TV's with HDMI ports that DON'T accept 1080p signals.

[Raitei]

but he means there is no other way to get 1080p on that tv aside from HDMI as every other input is analog.

[Epix]

but he means there is no other way to get 1080p on that tv aside from HDMI as every other input is analog.

Right, but you don't need to get 1080p in order for the TV to be 1080p. It could just be upconverting everything to 1080p. And FYI, analog can carry 1080p as well.

[karibu]

I'd say, if you are crazy enough, this is better choice
http://www.cyberport.de/item/1254/1019/0/76399/sony-kds-55a2000aep-50-zoll-dvb-t--hd-ready--.html

It's abit expencive but overall better and has amazing quality, watched some Corpse Bride from BD in a store. It's FullHD.

[gogogow]

And FYI, analog can carry 1080p as well.
scart inputs don't carry 1080p. And the tv doesn't have component inputs. So the statement that
"analog can carry 1080p" isn't very meaningful here.
Even if it has, it's still very very uncommon to support 1080p via component. Only a few TV's support can do that.
And it will stay that way, cos hdmi is the future.

[Epix]

scart inputs don't carry 1080p.

Well, I don't know what scart means, but if it's a component analog connection then it can.

[gogogow]

scart=scart. A PAL analog input. You'll get better quality with scart than composite and s-vhs, but not as good as component.
It's not component and component doesn't mean it will support 1080p.
Actually for component to not support 1080p would be the rule, for component to support 1080p would be the exception.

[D3adcell]

I would get a TV that has component inputs aswell for anything else you may want to hook up. Say you get a 360 or wii in the future.

[Epix]

^^ Ah, thx. What about your "the hdmi input must support 1080p" statement?

[gogogow]

^^ Ah, thx. What about your "the hdmi input must support 1080p" statement?
What about it?

Read my posts again, I've never said "must", but rather "should".

I work in a electronic store for years, and I know that hdmi doesn't automatically means 1080p support, but that's because some tv's around 2005 still uses first generation hdmi ports, but having a tv with a 2nd or 3rd gen hdmi port would have a bigger chance supporting 1080p signals. Manufacturers choose to use older versions becos they were cheaper and at that time, not many 1080p content (digital tv content) were available anyway, most were 1080i/720p.

It was by summer 2006 that most 1080p tv's would support 1080p input signals
And Europe hasn't even got 1080p tv's untill well into 2Q of 2006.
Since this Amoi TV was made for Europe, I know this cos it has SCART inputs, which are analog inputs used only in PAL countries, it should accept 1080p signals via HDMI.

Peace.

[Epix]

Read my posts again, I've never said "must", but rather "should".


It's an 1080p TV and only has an hdmi port as digital input, and 2 scarts which are analog inputs, so there's no way the hdmi port doesn't accept 1080p signals.

Specs looks good, aside from the contrast which is kinda low for a 1080p TV, but not terrible.
You really have to see it in action before we can judge the quality, the most important thing is how bad the bleeding is.
Many "no name" TV's has horrible bleeding, which destroys the image quality of the TV.

There you go.

Honeslty, I don't care this much to keep this debate up. Peace.

[err_ok]

This whole thing made me panic... i didn't check if my TV on order had component cables(for my wii) before i bought it... don't scare me like that people !! ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

I would get a TV that has component inputs aswell for anything else you may want to hook up. Say you get a 360 or wii in the future.

I'll just have to live with the scart-input. I don't have that much money to throw around.

Anyway, could someone please lookup a few reviews and check it out?

[gogogow]

There you go.
:laugh:
Reading comprehension ftl.
I don't see the word "must". Also that particular statement was meant for the Amoi TV, not any TV on the market, got that?

Also do you read? Anything? You know.
This thread is about one particular TV, the Amoi, geez, how hard was that.
Read my previous post about HDMI and European 1080p TV's, I'm done in this thread.

[Epix]

:laugh:
Reading comprehension ftl.
I don't see the word "must". Also that particular statement was meant for the Amoi TV, not any TV on the market, got that?

Also do you read? Anything? You know.
This thread is about one particular TV, the Amoi, geez, how hard was that.
Read my previous post about HDMI and European 1080p TV's, I'm done in this thread.

And neither do I read the word "should" you fucking retard. You said the TV is 1080p and has only one digital hdmi input and thus there's NO WAY (ie. must for the mentally challenged) that the hdmi port doesn't accept 1080p. I'm sure your high profile job at the local Comp USA has garnered you infinite electronic wisdom but I'm an electrical engineer, so the next time you feel like spouting off and looking like a jackass stop and get me some toner instead. Peace.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Whoa, whoa, Flop_King. Cool down, dude. No need to call each other names!

[Epix]

Sry, I hate when people just create accounts and start running their mouth (or rather their fingers) out of control.

[Goki]

HAHAhA little spice never hurt nobody lol....

[Garfunkel]

the "kontrast" on the tv is a bit low, and the lack of component is silly but it seems ok.

[stanDarsh]

I wouldn't trust it. I've never heard of the brand name "Amoi" before. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but they tend to be "cheaper" in design, and hence you get what you pay for.

[Garfunkel]

it would be best if you could go to a shop and have a look at the ones on display, that's the best way to tell which is the best for your money.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, yeah, but I don't want to go to Germany just to look at TV's. The ferry is 60 USD, you know:look:

Anyway, if you think this is a bad choice, can you give me a link to a good, cheap 1080p TV?

[stanDarsh]

Does it have to be a TV or can it just be a monitor?

If it can be a monitor I'd go for the 24" Monitor:
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/w_lcd?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs

or pay a little bit extra and get a BenQ with HDMI:
http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_show.php?art_no=monBEfp241w

both have HDCP, all prices in AUD

[overclocked]

Ah go for a Sony 2000w instead Seph lol.. ;)

[Garfunkel]

some on this site recommended a Westinghouse, for the life of me can't remember the model and there website is down for me, hopefully someone will fill you in on which model. It may be outside your price range.

EDIT: i did a search on the forums for you and nobody has actually posted a link or a model to the one i was talking about.

You may be better of with a good quality 720p LCD if you are stretching your budget, you won't find much in your price range that has 1080p and supports hdcp.

[Sephiroth_VII]

It has to be a TV, since my parents and I are in this together.

Also, since we only buy a new TV like every 10 years, it has to be 1080p. My parents agree, luckily.

[Garfunkel]

If it has to be 1080p you won't find much in your price range, unless it's from a cheapy brand.

[stanDarsh]

Couldn't you buy a monitor and a digital set top box?

[rpgamer_2k5]

Go grab an Acer AT3705-DTV for :

http://global.acer.com/products/lcd_tv/spec_at3705-dtv.htm

It's selling for $1599.99 CDN so it should be much cheaper in the US, EU, etc.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Do you know the TV? If so, I'd really appreciate a short review.

[F089/H]

I kinda made an HDTV watch thread in the Video Games Section. U.S.A or Not,post good deal..

[Sephiroth_VII]

Ok, thanks.

I'll check it out.

[MasaC]

I have this TV, Amoi LC42T1E.

It's absolutely excellent!

The LCD-panel is manufactured by Chi Mei OptoElectronics and it's very good. (Westinghouse and Toshiba uses the very same panel on their 42" sets)

The Amoi LC42T1E has these input slots: 1 HDMI, 1 Component, 1 VGA, 1 composite (side) and 2 SCART (1 RGB, 1 CVBS/Svideo).

The HDMI-, Component- and VGA-slots accepts video signals up to 1080p/60. The TV does correct deinterlacing and 1080i/50/60 is displayed correctly with all 1080 lines.

There's also a fast and simple way to select video source on this TV. You just press "source" on the remote and then press a number key to select input source, i.e 6=HDMI, 7=Component and so on.

One nice thing is the TV remembers your personal image settings for each input source.

The only shortcoming is poor support for picture-in-picture features. You can only use PiP when you use VGA as selected input source.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^Finally someone who own the TV!! Thanks for the info, I think I'll buy it tomorrow.

[FantasyGhost]

Is this (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Farena.nikkeibp.co.jp%2Fto kushu%2Fgen%2F20070112%2F120506%2Findex2.shtml&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) TV any good?

[Epix]

^ Not a TV. (but nice :))

[PUNK em 733]

I'm looking at this one...Over at AV forums it seems to be a decent TV, though the contrast ratio worries me.



http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11195976&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&N=4001382&Mo=17&pos=1&No=3&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=3316&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&Sp=C&ec=&topnav=



The Vizio Gallevia GV47L features the most powerful and highest resolution in High Definition entertainment today. Capable of 1080P, and a fast response panel, enjoy sports, action movies, and your favorite television show in life like imagery and color. You may never go to the movie theater again.



Features:

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Tuner: Integrated NTSC/ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner
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Format: 1080p
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Resolution: 1920 x 1080
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Contrast Ratio: 1600:1 (with DCR)
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Brightness: 500 cd/m2 (typical)
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Colors: 8 bit 16.77 Million colors
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Panel Type: Active Matrix LCD
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Panel Specifications: Anti-Static and hard-coated surface
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Pixel/Dot Pitch: 0.5415mm (H) x 0.5415mm (V)
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Display Compatibility: FULL HDTV (1080P)
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Signal Compatibility: 480i (SDTV), 480P (EDTV), 720P (HDTV), 1080i (HDTV), 1080P (FULL HDTV)
*
Response Time: 8 ms (typical)
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Viewable Angle: >178 degrees (horizontal and vertical)
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3:2 or 2:2 Reverse Pull-down
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ATSC with 8VSB & QAM demodulation
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ATSC with MPEG-2 decoding
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NTSC Video decoding via RF: Yes, thru Antenna, Cable, or Satellite
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NTSC Video decoding via Video: Yes, thru CVBS, S-Video, or Component
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Progressive Scan Video: Yes, thru Component YPbPr, VGA or HDMI
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HDTV: Yes, thru HDMI or Component YPbPr
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Computer: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1360 x 768 thru VGA or 640x480 thru HDMI
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Sound enhancement: Yes, SRS TrueSurround XT
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Color Temperature: 6500K (standard), 5400K and 9300K
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Color Fine Tuning: Independent Red, Green and Blue
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Audio: Built-in 10W x 2 plus 20W x 1 Subwoofer
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Lamp (LCD) / Panel (PDP) Life: 50000 hours
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Power Consumption: 400w
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Removable Base
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Removable Speakers
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Weight: 88.7 lbs
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Dimensions: W/ out Stand: 44.5" W x 29.8" H x 4.5" D
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Dimensions: W/ out Stand and Speakers: 44.5" W x 26.9" H x 4.5" D



Inputs/ Outputs

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RF(F Connector for internal Tuner: x1
*
HDMI with HDCP: x2
*
Analog Stereo Audio for HDMI Inputs: x1
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Component YPbPr plus Stereo Audio: x2
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Composite Video: x2
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S-Video plus Stereo Audio: x1
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Computer RGB plus Stereo Audio: x1
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Service Port: x1
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Analog Audio out (RCA): x1
* 5.1 SPDIF Digital Optical Audio: x1

[Garfunkel]

that's not too bad Punk.