Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Z]

AND I NEVER WOULD EVER SAY RAIDEN IS BETTER THAN SNAKE. That utterance will earn you a serious flogging. Goodness. You can't even PRETEND about that kind of shit, Z! Ya crazy!
lol. but didn't you say Raiden was better? you said how he moved, his suit, and the idea of him taking down multiple Rays made him a better soldier. maybe it was another member who said that. I don't remember. what I do remember is someone saying that.

as for the Boss, let me see where the rest stand:

The Boss let Jack win. true or false?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Make a poll, lol.
I said Raiden was good, but snake is the baddest mother fucker on the world. Don't ever forget that, son. Prime example (not debate, I just feel like mentioning it) is when Snake breaks out of his hand cuffs and Raiden just sits there. Kojima did intentionally use that as a contrast of the two. I did say that the whole point of Raiden is that anyone could be shaped into "Snake". So he can do all the things snake can, and even do them with more style; it's just a difference in snake being confident veteran and raiden being a sissy boned, rookie boy, who needs some direction. Once he finds that direction, I really started believing in him, saying, Go raiden! this was somewhere around the time him and rose argue a lot, and he meets up with snake at the end to take on everyone.

[L3XO]

so with all the metal gear solids (1,2,3,4) + the nes ones, + the psp one, whats the order?

if possible has anyone got any idea what the date's might be?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

mgs3-1964
mg-1995
mg2SS-1999
mgs-2005
mgs2-2007-2009 .....MGA-2016 (senseless!) and MGA2...dunno.

[Z]

LaLiLuLeLo2003
raiden being a sissy boned, rookie boy, who needs some direction.
that is all I wanted to hear from you! *takes a picture of the screen and saves the film for future evidence* >_>'

now, if I can only get VG to crack...

mgs3-1964
mg-1995
mg2SS-1999
mgs-2005
mgs2-2007-2009 .....MGA-2016 (senseless!) and MGA2...dunno.
you forgot MGS4: X years after Big Shell. that makes it +2010 ;)

[LiquidEagle]

I'm still thinking MGS4 is 2 years after Big Shell, putting it at 2011. MGA is a total side story, just like Ghost Babel, so it doesn't really have to make sense with the MGS timeline. It's not canon, I guess you could say.

Did the Boss let Jack win? No, I don't think so. One of the things you notice in the game through each encounter between Jack and the Boss is that every time they fight in CQC, Jack does a little bit better. The Boss isn't dulling -- Jack's getting better. By the time they fight in the Shagohod hangar, Jack's almost holding his own, and when they fight at the end, Jack has surpassed his master.

Z, make no mistake -- Big Boss is every bit of the legendary soldier MGS1 & 2 say he is. There was a good 31 years (it's funny though because the MG Saga DVD says MG1 took place in 1999, wtf? I couldn't believe they made that mistake) in between Snake Eater in 1964 and 1995 with MG1. He established FOX-HOUND in 1971 according to Snake Eater's timeline, and you better believe from then on it was ass-kicking. If you only go by what you see then yes you'll be disappointed, you're just gonna have to take it on faith I guess :-p.

We saw the emergence of Big Boss in Snake Eater. Like the Boss says at the end, she's been waiting for his birth and for his growth. She finally saw that in Snake Eater when he grew and learned how to think like a soldier. I watched the Theater disc of Snake Eater two times in a row today so this is all fresh on my mind :-p.

Like LaLiLuLeLo said, people like Liquid and Solid Snake demonstrate their abilities by beating/controlling these people who have far-out powers. That's something we see throughout the games, and in the end that deserves the props over the people with powers IMO :)

I also don't take Twin Snakes to heart as Solid Snake's full representation. The miracles Snake worked with grenades and Stinger rocket launchers were ridiculous (by "ridiculous" I mean "ridiculously f***ing AWESOME"), and it was pretty clear that Twin Snakes was a game for fans of the original. Newcomers really couldn't appreciate the moves Snake pulled, or the humor in parts like where Johnny Sasaki interrupts the "DARPA Chief's" speech and when it goes to the corner where Snake hid in the original, he's not there -- he's doing a Spider-man move in the upper corner! Or the part where the guard tries to knock Snake out and he doesn't go down for a second -- things like that play on the expectations of people who played the original, but mean nothing to newcomers. Not to mention the single reference to the Patriots... Anyways you probably get my idea there -- not that I don't think Snake is that badass to begin with :-p

Anybody notice with all this talk about Raiden being "green" that Meryl has gotten so much more slack for being a n00b than Raiden (or even Jack/Naked Snake) did? I can't imagine why that is... :-p

I'm sure Meryl will be uber-awesome in MGS4 as well though. Naomi's returning, Vamp will be back, Raiden will be badass and he has a kid, Big Boss plays an unknown role in it, and holy moly MGS4 is going to explode brains :-D

[yoshaw]

Reading some of the last few pages, I think you guys ought to be more careful when talking about plots and in-game scenarios. There might be people on the boards that haven't yet tried these games or might want to buy it later on. These plot details could seriously hinder anyone's experience so y'all please be more careful, use spoiler tags or something like that, no?

As for on topic, I was never bothered by the fact that I had to play MGS2 with Raiden. Was I surprised? Hell Yeah I was! I mean who wasn't but everything else felt the same since the gameplay of Raiden didn't feel much different from how Snake would play, just a teeny bit different obviously. But not to the point that I start screaming hatred towards Raiden. He was a character I was playing and the game still had crazy awesome Kojima directed cinematics.



Didn't bother me at all since Snake did showup later on and to be honest. This raiden character made me feel like how superior and cool Snake is. I mean who'd have thought we'd be watching snake from another perspective and knowing that with every step we're moving closer in on him only later to actually meet him in the game.



Didn't bother me at all if it was Raiden or Snake. I just wanted to play Metal Gear Solid. The gameplay was rocksolid, cinematics were cool as hell and the graphics were eons ahead of anything seen on competitors platforms.

[Z]

Anybody notice with all this talk about Raiden being "green" that Meryl has gotten so much more slack for being a n00b than Raiden (or even Jack/Naked Snake) did? I can't imagine why that is...

that is because Meryl wasn't trying to come off as a male. lol

[OmniStalgic]

Jack defintely turns into the legend after MGS3 is over with...I don't have to reiterate that, but I still would like to see just how he turned into the evil BIG BOSS where his son had to kill him? I wonder if it was the same situation with Jack and The boss. Anywho Raiden has got to be the next snake-maybe Snake will go "terrorist" and force Raiden to kill him?...lol All the other legends did

[Z]

he didn't turn evil. it is like you said, the relationship between the Boss and Jack. like Solidus, I see him as a true hero (without spoiling anything ;p).
the beauty here is that there is no black and white. things are complicated and many hands are involved. that is a part of the suspense this game has. :)

[Smokey]

sorry fellas been out ill play it again tonite or tomorrow. the reason i love mgs series is because it was the first game i ever played on ps1. it was the best game for making you feel like you were part of the game. i played it half a dozen times through (a few years ago though) ive actually just bought the original ps1 version again, because the only copy i had was a burnt ps1 version. played mgs2 a dozen times loved it. now im finally playing MGS3 im embarresed to say the last save was 8 months ago. so started again 8 am yesterday morning awsome what a game. brings back all the memories of the other games i have played. so here i go im going for some stealth now. weeeeeeeeeee lol :)

edit: ill try & keep ya updated handy

[Z]

better late than never ;)

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah one of the great things about MGS is that you can at least semi-agree with the villains by the end of the game, and Kojima has always given them a great point of view. Liquid's kind of an exception because you could see he suffered from a huge inferiority complex and just wanted to get back at daddy, but he still made some valid points. Big Boss in MG1 & 2 was trying to set up a world where soldiers were valued again, but he did that by creating an armed nation that bullied the world around and instigated conflicts. I think he lost sight of the ideals The Boss put in him in Snake Eater, because the way The Boss talks about war being continuous and The ________ being "war itself" and so on, it sounds like the wants to stop them from being so influential over that, and regain their original vision of uniting the world.

He's kinda like Vader I guess. Bad but also kinda not :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

MGS3 defintitely elevates boss to the level of Anti-Hero rather than straight up Villain in the light of the later games that have him or talk about him. Understanding his origin supplements the other games so well! It's so great because every game talks about big boss, but now you have some perspective on who he is and what made him what he was. He's not just this mythology that everyone loves or hates. It's like oooh man he's this real guy that lived and died.
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Remember when snake was captured in mgs1, and he's talking to naomi on the codec and she asks does he have any family. I remember this ALMOST by heart so I'll just type it.

naomi- any family?
snake- no. but there was one man who said he was my father.
N- where is he now?
S- Dead.
N- Oh, I'm so sorry.
S- By my own hand.
N- What?
Colonel- Big Boss
N- Snake! Big Boss was your father? I had no idea...
S- that's what he told me. That's all I know
N- And you were able to kill him...knowing that?
S- Yep.
N- But that's patricide!!
S- Yup.
N- How could you..?
S- He wanted it


Matter of fact, I'm gonna play through that last part. Anyway, pay attention to the last part, 'he wanted it'. Much like big boss had to kill the boss and carry the torch.

[LiquidEagle]

Good call on that. I haven't gotten far enough in MG2 (hell I haven't even beaten MG1 yet!) to say how things go down in that, but judging by that quote it's kinda the same thing. Big Boss did say that whoever lives on would know nothing but war, sort of like The Boss said so this doesn't surprise me.

[Smokey]

(hell I haven't even beaten MG1 yet!) yeah my mate was the same i dont think he ever beat it. i got to the orgasmic gun handy im lovin this game. but are there no BIG BOSS fights?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

you mean The Boss?

[LiquidEagle]

You're approaching some real boss fights, be patient :-p

[Handycrap101]

What part are you at right now?

[RavenFox]

For reference, the scene of Snake fighting the Harrier (wasn't it the Verazzano bridge?) was in the E3 2001 trailer. Along with lots of scenes where Solid Snake would later be replaced with Raiden. And yes Z, Raiden was easily the best-kept secret in gaming history :-p
Nah the verazzano bridge was the extraction point. Also if this was not said another scene that was edited out was the cargo bay battle between fortune and snake. She carries the very compact and well modified version of the metal gear tech rail gun. The scene showed crates being decimated as Snake hurries for cover. And by the way the term is dextrocardia for the rare placement of her heart. Fortune was actually Telekinetic. After oceleot placed that bullet in her chest and fired the missiles it wasnt the electromagnetic force field it was fortune who repelled them with her own telekinesis. The device was shut down when those misslies came upon her. Do not be so quick to throw away this character fellas. If kojima didnt have to redo so many things before the launch of this game her role would have been significantly more in the game. She was an important part of the patriots plans. Snake also knew about the device hehe

[Goki]

She is lady luck!

[RavenFox]

You know it.:smoke:

[LiquidEagle]

Nah the verazzano bridge was the extraction point. Also if this was not said another scene that was edited out was the cargo bay battle between fortune and snake. She carries the very compact and well modified version of the metal gear tech rail gun. The scene showed crates being decimated as Snake hurries for cover.


I know the verazzano bridge was the extraction point, and we see the bridge at the beginning of the Big Shell chapter (the helicopters fly over it) and towards the end when Arsenal Gear passes under it. Looking at the trailer again, I think you were right -- it looks more like the George Washington bridge. A lot of bridges in NYC have those lights along the ropes though, so that's not just a defining characteristic of the GW bridge. I learned that when I went to NYC for my 20th birthday and I even took a stroll on the GW bridge to check it out and get some bearings on the geography of locales in MGS2. Federal Hall was certainly awesome to check out :-p

Ocelot dismisses Fortune as not having psychic powers, but yeah, she proves him wrong when she pushes those missiles away, and then Snake says, "She is Lady Luck."

[Voidler]

MGS3 defintitely elevates boss to the level of Anti-Hero rather than straight up Villain in the light of the later games that have him or talk about him. Understanding his origin supplements the other games so well! It's so great because every game talks about big boss, but now you have some perspective on who he is and what made him what he was. He's not just this mythology that everyone loves or hates. It's like oooh man he's this real guy that lived and died.
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Remember when snake was captured in mgs1, and he's talking to naomi on the codec and she asks does he have any family. I remember this ALMOST by heart so I'll just type it.

naomi- any family?
snake- no. but there was one man who said he was my father.
N- where is he now?
S- Dead.
N- Oh, I'm so sorry.
S- By my own hand.
N- What?
Colonel- Big Boss
N- Snake! Big Boss was your father? I had no idea...
S- that's what he told me. That's all I know
N- And you were able to kill him...knowing that?
S- Yep.
N- But that's patricide!!
S- Yup.
N- How could you..?
S- He wanted it


Matter of fact, I'm gonna play through that last part. Anyway, pay attention to the last part, 'he wanted it'. Much like big boss had to kill the boss and carry the torch.Makes me think Raiden or someone else is going to kill Solid Snake

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, kojima clearly said snake won't die. so get that out of your head. And solid snake isn't really raiden's father figure, that was solidus snake.

[Undercover Cop]

Metal Gear Solid 4 will be demoed on the PS3 at E3:


Conference Program assembles big games, names, from creative front; super session puts Cliffy B, Kojima, and Xavier Poix on same panel.

The E3 Expo Conference Program came into clearer focus this week after the last of three big titles was added to the Sneak Peeks session, one of 34 presentations and panels in a program that takes place along side the action of the main show floor.

Most notable for game enthusiasts was the addition of Red Steel (Ubisoft's upcoming Nintendo Revolution exclusive) to a session that already had Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gears of War listed.

Demoing each of the games are their respective creative leads: Hideo Kojima (shown above, center) will personally demo Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PlayStation 3, Cliff Bleszinski (left) will take the reins of Gears of War on the Xbox 360, and Ubisoft Paris boss Xavier Poix (right) will show off Red Steel.

Other panels in the 34-session program include participation of a number of top designers: Richard Garriott joins a session on massively cross-platform gaming, Ed Boon of Mortal Kombat fame joins a session on building franchisable properties, and the designer behind Killer 7--one the year's most sinister titles--Gouichi Suda (Suda 51), will sit on a David Perry-moderated session that will look at game design of the future. Joining Suda and Perry on that panel are The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion's lead designer Todd Howard, id Software design lead Tim Willits (Doom 3), and Irrational Games president and co-founder Ken Levine (Freedom Force vs The Third Reich).

Another noteworthy sessions is one that will look at the importance of story and character development. Included in that panel are David Cage of Quantic Dream (Indigo Prophecy); Richard Dansky, Red Storm Entertainment 's lead Clancy writer, David Jaffe off the God of War team, long-time Half-Life and Half-Life 2 writer Marc Laidlaw, and EALA boss Neil Young. They share the speaker's table as Mad Doc Software (Empire Earth II) founder Ian Lane Davis leads the discussion.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah we knew that already. Isn't it in another thread?

[julps31]

Yeah we knew that already. Isn't it in another thread?Yea but i think Xb closed it and nobody really reflected on it in this thread. I expected it but it feels nice to have some comfirmation.

[LiquidEagle]

That's actually a very welcome surprise that he's demonstrating it in a workshop/conference like this. This is different from a press conference that companies like Sony will be holding -- it's more like a discussion panel. I tried to attend the one that had Tetsuya Mizuguchi (Rez!) speaking at last year, but those things fill up fast, and this year they started charging money :(

If he's going to be playing it at this kind of conference, you can expect a trailer to be shown that'll be something like this (http://crayons1.ytmnsfw.com/)...

:-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

lmao.
hahaha.
Everyone will be staring in awe, and simultaneously screaming 'WHAT'S REAAAL, WHAT'S REALLL?!!!"

[L3XO]

i shot snake when i was raiden in mgs2. Anyone else try that?

[Smokey]

yeah im pretty sure i did it lol :)

[LiquidEagle]

lmao.
hahaha.
Everyone will be staring in awe, and simultaneously screaming 'WHAT'S REAAAL, WHAT'S REALLL?!!!"


I'll do it!

My friends took pictures of me reacting when I saw the MGS3 subsistence trailer for the first time and it showed online play + the old Metal Gears & the new camera, and I looked like such a jackass :laugh:. People almost always have strong responses to the MGS trailers at E3, it's kind of a big deal. By "kind of" I mean "REALLY" :-D

[curryking1]

i shot snake when i was raiden in mgs2. Anyone else try that?

Ya, then he kicked me in the face lol.

And anyways, you gotta tranquilize him to get the dogtag! Must get the dogtags!

[Epix]

I think this has turned into a MGS tribute thread rather than a MGS4 thread. lol

[RavenFox]

Yeah you gotta love the man-the legend.:smoke:

[Luis]

It's funny that there haven't really been any MGS news in the last 3 weeks and this thread got 200 more posts.

The Metal Gear series are just too good :)

[Danji]

Has anyone taken into account the rare possibility that Raiden is the "bad guy"? Just a thought..

[venomv]

Has anyone taken into account the rare possibility that Raiden is the "bad guy"? Just a thought..

That has crossed my mind, seems like it would work, Snake is pretty much free-lance (as of MGS2 anyway), so he could easily be working against anyone.

[curryking1]

Even tho it's a possibility that Raiden may be a bad guy, I highly doubt it, like you said, rare possibility. I am seeing them working alongside each other again like in the Big Shell operation.

I bet we'll have Snake working with Raiden both remotely sometimes and in at other times literally together, just like in MGS2. It has been like 10 years or whatever since Big Shell for Raiden to get his act together so maybe he joined Otacon and Snake in Philanthropy or whatever their organization is called .

P.S. Snake and his infinity bandana... when u fight alongside him... pffft... well he doesn't have a brown wig! bwahahaha! Although he did have a sweet M16 that we could never get a hand on in the game... sigh... did he even have to reload??

P.P.S. Is anyone else hoping that we will get to play Raiden for a portion of the game (he better still have his sword lol)? I hope we get to play him for up to, let's say, 1/5 of the game, maybe in a prologue-esque way (to introduce some story and maybe tie a few loose ends, like what some characters are doing after Big Shell, or just play Raiden in some important story changing event) like we played Solid in MGS2.

[OmniStalgic]

I hope Grey fox comes back some how in this one...Oh wait he's dead...dammit! yea i wanna use Raiden then so i can slash people up. Meryll is probably gonna be playable to. Funny thing is, the game probably won't see the light of day untill sometime Holiday season NEXT YEAR and i couldn't be more excited about it...lol

[LiquidEagle]

Snake's got a knife for a variation of CQC, we'll probably get our blade fix with that, even though Snake said "I'm not a fan of blades" :-p

If you mean Raiden being a "bad guy" in that he's still unknowingly working for the Patriots, I don't think he will be. I think Raiden is through being pushed by the Patriots, and Snake probably kept him posted about how things were going once Raiden got his family started. I'm sure we'll fight along side him, plus Kojima said we'll love him by the end of MGS4. Definitely not a bad guy, at least not by the end :-p

Curry, I still think it's only about 2 years after Big Shell. In the only official artwork from E3 2005, Raiden is holding a baby. Chances are that it's his baby since Olga's baby was born about a year (maybe a little more) before Big Shell, so he'd be a minimum of 3 years old here. Raiden is probably holding the child Rose was pregnant with at the end of MGS2 (I'm just tossing the spoilers out here :laugh:), and he'd be much closer to "infant" status than anything else. Unless he had another child 9 years later...

Don't worry, it'll be less than a month before we get a good amount of information on the game, including a release date :-D

[Otacon305]

Haha, it would be great if they explained Snake's new knife with some convo between him and Otacon, vaguely eluding to Snake Eater, without actually mentioning it.

[LiquidEagle]

:-D that would be sweet, I hope Kojima adds something like that.

[Luis]

I'd have to support the theory of MGS4 events happening 2 years after MGS2 events. Despite Snake's appearance, everything else in MGS4 teaser trailer points to this. X years doesn't have to mean 10 after all, and we should have expected that from Hideo since the beginning.

Otacon's appearance, Raiden's baby, the weapons, the Mobile Gun System tanks (MGS, oddly enough ;))... everything makes sense. Besides, every other character would be a bit too old if 10 years had passed.

[LiquidEagle]

Ocelot would be 75 if it took place in 2019! That's roughly Big Boss' age when Snake fought and killed him I think.

If you look at the Boss's grave in MGS3, you see that her birth year is 192X, so no -- it doesn't have to mean 10 ;)

[RavenFox]

Snake might not be old at E3 also.

[LiquidEagle]

Haha that would line up with my post (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1059993#post1059993) the other day describing what the MGS4 trailer will be like with that link. ;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Nah, raiden isn't bad enough to be a bad guy, if you get what I mean. If you were able to use the sword throughout the entire Big Shell chapter of mgs2 that'd have made raiden that much more awesome. hahaha... I would like to play a segment of the game as him though. That'd be cool. When I first started palying Plant Chapter of MGS2 that's what I thought (hoped) was gonna happen; the player goes from playing as raiden, into a cutscene where he meets snake, plays as snake, into another cutscene, and so forth like that. But no. Kojima had other designs.

[LiquidEagle]

haha yeah, every time I met up with Snake in MGS2 I was like "Okay, this is the part where I get to be Snake again!" Nope. Never. pwned... :-p

I'd like to see a small sequence as Raiden in MGS4 though... gets my vote and I'd love to see Kojima pull a trick like that on people.

[Luis]

If you look at the Boss's grave in MGS3, you see that her birth year is 192X, so no -- it doesn't have to mean 10 ;)Indeed! I didn't think about that before. Will that "X" be the key to either amount of years? I wouldn't be surprised if it is :)

[curryking1]

Haha, it would be great if they explained Snake's new knife with some convo between him and Otacon, vaguely eluding to Snake Eater, without actually mentioning it.

That's a good thought, and the knowledge we have of Kojima it seems pretty likely lol. I love all the humour and comical references in the MGS games, they are great for comedic relief (that is the term right? lol) and keep the game fresh the whole way through.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, even with the serious themes and tugging your heart strings, the whole ride still has some humor moments to punctuate certain parts.

[LiquidEagle]

Indeed! I didn't think about that before. Will that "X" be the key to either amount of years? I wouldn't be surprised if it is :)


Assuming it is, 1922 would put The Boss at 22 years old in WW2 when she gave birth to Ocelot (1944) and 42 in Snake Eater. Sounds about right. I don't expect them to line up though since for all we know X could be a double-digit number. We'll just have to see, but I'm not holding my breath for a whole lot of story info at E3... Look at how little story info Snake Eater's first E3 trailer had...we had to wait until E3 2004 for character information & stuff, and that was about 6 months before the game came out! If MGS4 is on for a Fall/Holiday 2007 release like I'm guessing, we may not see big story info until E3 2007 :'(

[Luis]

Look at how little story info Snake Eater's first E3 trailer had...we had to wait until E3 2004 for character information & stuff, and that was about 6 months before the game came out! If MGS4 is on for a Fall/Holiday 2007 release like I'm guessing, we may not see big story info until E3 2007 :'(I loved the first Snake Eater teaser. No spoilers, just the concepts. And a few jokes ("This is not Vice City! Go eat snakes!"). I don't know about you, but I chose not to learn about MGS3 at all (no pictures, videos and plot) until I played it so that I could be surprised as much as possible. And when I did, I felt it was a great decision: nearly all characters were new to me and I didn't know any situation throughout the game. The wait was tough, but rewarding! MGS4's teaser hardly contains any spoilers, so I loved it in that way too. However, I believe the next E3 trailer and gameplay footage could feature voice acting and some spoilers or concrete hints, so I will most likely want to watch it only once and then wait until I can play it. I will stop posting in this thread too!

I just want to be totally surprised.

[LiquidEagle]

Hehe that must be a tough philosophy to live by :-p

I know each MGS game is guaranteed to have surprises even past what the trailers show. I remember after E3 2001 and I had downloaded every single trailer, I felt I had almost ruined the experience because I watched all the trailers and all the story information presented. Needless to say, I was very, VERY wrong. :-D

[OmniStalgic]

I really don't like that old snake, we haven't seen the real Solid Snake since MGS2-I mean..I sort of miss that dude a little bit, but I guess he had his glory days in MGS1 though. Anywho, I don't think the teasers reveal too much of anything on Metal Gear's plots-by the time the games over, the plot is completely different from anything you were expecting anyway. Still, I hope snake gets back to his old self a least for a little while, I want to re-live the glory days of the legendary soilder, not the breaking down ones.

[Luis]

Hehe that must be a tough philosophy to live by :-pYeah, it is for a while, but it feels so good when I achieve my goal that I always want to do it again :)


I know each MGS game is guaranteed to have surprises even past what the trailers show. I remember after E3 2001 and I had downloaded every single trailer, I felt I had almost ruined the experience because I watched all the trailers and all the story information presented. Needless to say, I was very, VERY wrong. :-DLOL! Sure, I've probably watched all MGS2 and MGS3 trailers after playing the games and they were interesting to see because of what they actually showed.

When I bought MGS2, the only thing I knew about it was that Snake had to sneak in a tanker at the beginning. Everything else was totally new to me. Now that's being surprised :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

You're a tougher breed than me VG Aficionado. I'm like...METAL GEAR SOLID AAAHHH!!!!!WATCH EVERY TRAILER 100 TIMES! They're just...so fun to watch. So well put together.:( :XD: It's much akin to the feeling I get eating mass quantities of brownies. Or tearing wrapping paper off of christmas presents.

[L3XO]

are there any mgs fangames out there?

[Loc]

You guys just convinced me to go out and purchase MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 just for the sake of playing MGS4. And damn it was a good decision. But yea has any of you guys played Metal Gear Acid 1/2? In Metal Gear Acid 2, there's a few shocking revelations given about Snake that ultimately questions whether it's an alternate universe or not. That's about all I can give away.

[L3XO]

just make sure you play it in the right order! 3, 1, 2

[LiquidEagle]

Actually you'll get more out of 3 if you beat 2 first :-D

I own MGA but I haven't played it yet, and I haven't bought MGA2 yet (obviously...). MGA is definitely a side-story though, so I don't take everything in there as true-to-story stuff, y'know?

L3XO: No fangames that I know of, but I remember a guy I knew online was writing a fan-fiction novel about the first Metal Gear, but I think it kinda got thrown off when MGS3 was shown and it gave a backstory on Metal Gear that contradicted his :-p

About the trailers, I dare say Hideo Kojima wants us to see the trailers. I'm not saying you should do it because he said so, but he does it for fans and I think he really likes creating new trailers that push the limit and get fans riled up, and I think he likes betraying the expectations set by those trailers. To each his own though, I won't try to convince you otherwise VG :-p

And OmniCloud: I wouldn't count on that. You might be right, but as Hideo Kojima gets older and MGS fans get older, he wants Snake to reflect that and mature as well, and almost inspire people who are getting older. Sort of like a "he's still got it!" thing, I guess.

[L3XO]

so does anyone know at this stage what resolution the mgs4 game will run at? and is it interlaced? what fps?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7316/std51iq.jpg

[Luis]

The teaser was originally in 720p60 (1280x720 @ 60 fps progressive, 16:9). PS3 will automatically convert and downscale/upscale and/or interlace the format when necessary, that doesn't really depend on every game.

And L3XO, please don't start one of your "spot the difference" contest again. It's totally pointless, nobody cares and you were wrong the last time anyway.


About the trailers, I dare say Hideo Kojima wants us to see the trailers. I'm not saying you should do it because he said so, but he does it for fans and I think he really likes creating new trailers that push the limit and get fans riled up, and I think he likes betraying the expectations set by those trailers. To each his own though, I won't try to convince you otherwise VG :-pYou're very probably right, but when I saw a few more MGS3 trailers after beating the game and I realised of a few deceptive things combined with a good number of spoilers, I still thought I made the right decision.

[L3XO]

no my other post was 'see whats wrong with this picture'. This is a totally different game.

[Luis]

In that case, there are two different pixels. On the green door shadow (below) and on the barrel in front of the soldier on the left (above).

Was it pointless or not?

[L3XO]

theres still 3 other pixels!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Stfu.

[Z]

I want to say that I am glad they won't be using those annoying exclamation marks ontop of alerted soldiers. they were good for their time, but with MGS4's level of visuals, they will take the wind out the moment. they will now use facial expresions. you can actually 'see it' in the enemies face that he spotted you or not. of course, they may still use an alarming sound alert (for you, not the game) but I am happy I won't see the 'over the head' markers anymore :)

[LiquidEagle]

Hehe it'll be an interesting move. I wouldn't mind if there was an option to have them turn on for old time's sake. Also, I'm sure the music will pick up if you're spotted. One thing I've always wanted an MGS game to do is for the guards to sneak up on you if they think they can get the drop on you. That would be so intense if a guard snuck up on you and did CQC on YOU to try and detain you or whatever. That's some next generation stuff :-D

[Mr_Nothin]

You, my friend, have solved the OOOO puzzle. :)

[Z]

but how can anyone sneak up on you; the player? you'll have the camera hovering around you like a bee over a hive. it would be hard for a real player through online to do so, let alone a poor AI.

but the idea of having CQC with enemies will be there nevertheless. by that, you will think twice before jumping a soldier. of course, it would be much easier if you are not detected.

[LiquidEagle]

Well yeah, the camera presents some problems, but I still think it's do-able. you could even use that to your advantage in that the rotatable camera doubles as your senses as a soldier and the fact that Snake is the most badass man alive basically means he has eyes behind his back :-p. If you're not paying attention they'll rock you from behind, and if you catch them trailing you, you could let them think they're sneaking up on you but then *BAM* you get them as they turn a corner. Something like that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

spoiler for those who haven't played snake eater
There's plenty of times The End snuck up on me when I was in first person mode. Well, a couple.

so...it might be possible. Maybe a guard sees you, then quietly gets backup to surround you. OHHHH SNAAAP!

By the way, I like the exclamation points. I think it's part of the charm that makes MGS what it is.

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, I like them too, as I like the Z's above a sleeping guard's head & stuff. With games getting more advanced in every way though, I kinda like the idea of MGS launching itself to the forefront of that by letting players look their enemy in the eyes to see their reactions. I'll welcome the change, but it would be nice if there was just an option to turn them on or off.

[Voidler]

but how can anyone sneak up on you; the player? you'll have the camera hovering around you like a bee over a hive. it would be hard for a real player through online to do so, let alone a poor AI.

but the idea of having CQC with enemies will be there nevertheless. by that, you will think twice before jumping a soldier. of course, it would be much easier if you are not detected.That's not necessarily true, none of us truly know what the camera in MGS4 will be like. If they move to something like RE4 / GRAW's camera then that won't be true at all

[LiquidEagle]

Kojima already said though that Subsistence's 3D camera is a sort of prototype for MGS4's and they'll use their experience/our feedback from that to create the camera in MGS4. So, it'll be very similar and by all rights should be fully-rotatable.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I had a dream about the next mgs4 trailer.
:Carrot: :Carrot:
sigh...COME ON E3!!!!

I can't wait to see how Meryl and Raiden show up/appear in the game...
I pictured some soldiers got the drop on Snake (absurd I know) and just when they think they have him licked, they get gunned/cut down by Raiden and Meryl. who, after the surprise assault, decloak from stealth camoflauge.
Meryl: What would you do without me?
Snake: I had it under control. (snake never giving her credit, especially since they allegedly broke up)
-------------
Ohh, it'll be interesting to see how those two behave together, since they apparently broke up at some point, and parted ways. Does snake know she's involved beforehand? Or....is she even on his side?! Or what?

[cliffbo]

i still think that the new MGS game in developement for the PSP is in fact the hud for MGS4. there will be players actually playing of course, but there will be commanders giving tactical orders and information through the hud (ie PSP)

[Voidler]

Kojima already said though that Subsistence's 3D camera is a sort of prototype for MGS4's and they'll use their experience/our feedback from that to create the camera in MGS4. So, it'll be very similar and by all rights should be fully-rotatable.That's not necessarily true. I'm sure Kojima is experimenting with a bunch of styles and playing a whole lot of games for inspirations aswell. Just because what is essentially the default version of 3D cameras was in Subsistence, doesn't mean it will fly with MGS4

[LaLiLuLeLo]

but the possibility isn't neglectable.
--
I have a feeling the psp connectivity to the game, if there is one, will be limited, as being overly ambitious with it could be a failure if fans don't adopt it in large numbers. Paying 50 bucks for the main game, and then paying another 40 or 50, or however much for the psp supplement, assuming you have a psp, isn't that attractive from a consumer or business standpoint (in the sense of them losing money bothering to make it).

[cliffbo]

but the possibility isn't neglectable.
--
I have a feeling the psp connectivity to the game, if there is one, will be limited, as being overly ambitious with it could be a failure if fans don't adopt it in large numbers. Paying 50 bucks for the main game, and then paying another 40 or 50, or however much for the psp supplement, assuming you have a psp, isn't that attractive from a consumer or business standpoint (in the sense of them losing money bothering to make it).

granted but i think the PSP will be optional not neccessary.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Then it'll have to be like 20 bucks. Or included with the game, and they charge 60 for it.

[cliffbo]

Then it'll have to be like 20 bucks. Or included with the game, and they charge 60 for it.

or perhaps you can download it to the PSP off the blu-ray you bought with MGS4 on?!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

another possibility.
If anyone in the gaming industry is, Kojima's an unpredictable man, so I won't put one thing or another past him. Maybe [one of] the online component itself will be a download for psp. It'd be pretty hefty in size though.

[Luis]

The next MGS title for PSP is not a game. It's an interactive comic.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The next MGS title for PSP is not a game. It's an interactive comic.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COMIC, WE KNOW ABOUT THAT.

[Luis]

All right, all right, excuse me.

Jeez.

[cliffbo]

The next MGS title for PSP is not a game. It's an interactive comic.

there are two new MGS games being developed for the PSP. but think: why compete against yourself. to me there has to be something that makes one of these games unique. unique enough to warrent you buying both. thats why i considered the hud idea.

[LiquidEagle]

Well I think the comic book is the unique idea here... :-p

I think it'll be able to double up as MGM II and Otacon can talk to us on that, so there won't be a codec like before. We'll just have to wait & see.

[Luis]

Two MGS titles in development for PSP? First time I hear about it. Can anyone fill me in? Links?

Anyway, I'm aware of the possible interaction between PS3 and PSP regarding MGS4.

[cliffbo]

Two MGS titles in development for PSP? First time I hear about it. Can anyone fill me in? Links?

Anyway, I'm aware of the possible interaction between PS3 and PSP regarding MGS4.

it was mentioned a while back. my thought are that lets say you and a few friends have entered a war zone and you are surrounded by enemy troupes, but have no map. you contact HQ (guy with PSP) and he has an overview of the area you are in including satalite views of troupes movements. he relates them to you and directs your movements. like the real thing!

[LiquidEagle]

http://psp.ign.com/articles/678/678002p1.html


This new game is not a new Metal Gear Acid, nor is it based off Metal Gear Solid B.D., a digital comic set for Japanese PSP release in Spring of 2006.

[Luis]

Hmmm, I believe I read that article back then, but I probably didn't pay attention to it. However, I'd still refuse to think it's a proper MGS title. I expect something else.

Thanks for the link though.

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, I don't know what to think. Trying to predict KoPro game directions is fun but in the end a waste of effort because it'll never be what you expect :-p

[RavenFox]

I had a dream about the next mgs4 trailer.
:Carrot: :Carrot:
sigh...COME ON E3!!!!

I can't wait to see how Meryl and Raiden show up/appear in the game...
I pictured some soldiers got the drop on Snake (absurd I know) and just when they think they have him licked, they get gunned/cut down by Raiden and Meryl. who, after the surprise assault, decloak from stealth camoflauge.
Meryl: What would you do without me?
Snake: I had it under control. (snake never giving her credit, especially since they allegedly broke up)
-------------
Ohh, it'll be interesting to see how those two behave together, since they apparently broke up at some point, and parted ways. Does snake know she's involved beforehand? Or....is she even on his side?! Or what?
Your post got me so hype. The onscreen graphics are going to own me hard. The story will lay me down to rest. E3 I await thee.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I love MGS. No matter how good you imagine it, it's better.
Kojima is that much ahead of the game.

[Z]

there is a way for you to actual chose what you want to dream. they way to do this is to think about everything you know about the subject you want to dream about- every little detail. of course, it is easier if you are very sleepy at the time since it wouldn't take long. chances are you will dream about what you were thinking about. with practice, the chances if it happening (and the way it happens) gets better. try it. it works :)

the funny thing is that how much I try to see Killzone in game play, I failed. all I get is the E3 demo replaying again and again. damn, even my imagination isn't strong enough to see that quality in my control. -__-'

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: is there a "nerd alert" emoticon for this thread now? :-p

It's okay, I've had some funny/good dreams about MGS as well. ;)

[masteratt]

Dude, forget dreams!
I stay up at night in my rocking chair humming "Metal..Gear..Solid...4..."
This game can't come soon enough!
When the release date is announced I promise you I'll be the first guy to pre-order this game and when it's THE day (just getting exctied thinking about it...forget wedding day) I will run to the shop in snow, storm if I have to, to get this game.

Oh yeah: Otacon's droid can be controlled by a second player via PSP connectivity. For me, it's a *YAWN* news but I thought some of you will like it. Link you ask? Somewhere on IGN. (Sorry)

[LiquidEagle]

Cool cool.

Hehe your story reminds me of my MGS3 release story. I stayed up all night (it was like the night before Christmas for me!) watching MGS3 trailers on PSM DVDs and playing MGS2's ending & stuff, and just goofing around to kill time, then at 9:30 AM I marched down to EB, got my copy of the game, and ran home, and I played it for 16 hours straight until I beat it, at 2:30 AM the next day. I somehow got away with taking only one bathroom/snack break. Needless to say, my grip on reality was loose by the middle of this. I was so wigging out by the time I got to the Fear, I was hitting R1 to shoot him like a FPS :laugh: Took me 15 1/2 hours to beat though, start to finish, my PS2 never turned off in that time and I never stopped moving forward -- I HAD to know what was going on!

Anyhoo, MGS4 will be no different. And if this adds to my nerd points, "The Best Is Yet to Come" has been on my playlist for many many months now :-D

[Sephiroth_VII]

Ok, I'm about yo hook up my never-touched-before origignal non-platinium-copy of MGS1, fresh of eBay. Any specific characters/battles/scenes that I should look forward to?

Look below for a photo of my new MGS. It still has that sweet-synthetic smell!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

awesome. Psycho Mantis is one of the best fights in the game. And the ninja is sweet.

[Luis]

Nice. I've got mine here too.


Any specific characters/battles/scenes that I should look forward to?ALL of them.

[section]

^^At Sephiroth 7th I can only say:

wow^18 :)

[Smokey]

heres mine i bought on ebay too lol :)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/BFG-SMOKEY7/DSCF3630.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/BFG-SMOKEY7/DSCF3632.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/BFG-SMOKEY7/DSCF3634.jpg

[Luis]

By the way, it included a Silent Hill demo, didn't it? Mine does, at least.

[Smokey]

huh mine has an extra disk space but no disk, thats what its for! awsome game silent hill 2 i never actually played the ps1 version :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Off topic but the silent hill movie is out today! Going to see it tonight, woot.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah. Mine included the Silent Hill demo.

Smokey, had yours been opened before? If so, he might've thrown it out when he bought it. Mine's from a collector who're selling old games for profit.

[Smokey]

yeah mine was used before, not a mark on the disks though.

[LiquidEagle]

I have to wait until tomorrow to see Silent Hill because my friend is coming into town tomorrow and wants us to wait to see it... :'( Looks fantastic though!

btw, f u Europeans :laugh: I have no chance of getting a premium pack of MGS1 without losing an arm and/or leg

[venomv]

Any specific characters/battles/scenes that I should look forward to?

All the characters and battles are good, but the one that is the most is Psycho Mantis and your fight with him.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I just beat Mantis. That battle is pure genius!!! I used my old Sony memorycard, so when he started reading it, I think I jumped five feet into the air!!! Also, the way he reads your controls is cool. Heck, that battle is just perfect!!!

Luckily, I saved right before I entered the room, so I'll play him again tomorrow.

[Goki]

dan dan dan data.. DAN DAN DA!

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: nice

I remember downloading .jpg files awhile ago that were scans of the MGS theme on piano in sheet music, I should try to get a friend to play that on piano :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I can play the theme on my guitar. woot!

[LiquidEagle]

yeah, it's not really arranged for guitar but you can learn the main theme for it. Once I saw the E3 2003 trailer for Snake Eater with the classical guitar playing the theme, I learned it too :-D

That and Halo's theme are fun to play on guitar, hehe

Anyways, only a couple weeks before a new trailer and E3 goodness... I'm so excited :-D

[Handycrap101]

I'm prefectly happy with my NTSC Greatest hits edition of MGS... the green stripe is PURDY. Sadly, the games only flaw is it's length. Such a shame it's so short.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm prefectly happy with my NTSC Greatest hits edition of MGS... the green stripe is PURDY. Sadly, the games only flaw is it's length. Such a shame it's so short.

It's not a flaw. The whole game is a sick ride all the way though. It doesn't try to lengthen itself with mundane things like a lot of other games try to do. I'm ripping this analogy from somewhere else, but I wouldn't judge a meal's quality based on how long it takes me to eat it. You judge the overall flavor(s). How does it make you feel from start to finish is a better index. So in my opinion I don't think the length (or lack thereof) is problematic. :shrug:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah, it's not really arranged for guitar but you can learn the main theme for it. Once I saw the E3 2003 trailer for Snake Eater with the classical guitar playing the theme, I learned it too :-D

That and Halo's theme are fun to play on guitar, hehe

Anyways, only a couple weeks before a new trailer and E3 goodness... I'm so excited :-D

I've got my broadband internet connection, my soda, and a fresh change of pants ready.:beer:

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, I don't fault a game for its short length (except for that Superman game for PS2 that was based on the cartoon, it ended when I honestly thought I was halfway done with the game) -- Zone of the Enders 2 took me 4 hours and 57 minutes to beat, and I can't think of a better game that I played in 2003. The experience I got from that 5 hour game was enough for me to place it in my top 5 PS2 games with ease, and it's probably in my top 5 of all-time games -- incredible game...

[Z]

I've got my broadband internet connection, my soda, and a fresh change of pants ready.:beer:
oh yeah. I am freeing myself up during the conference. I'll get alot of junk food, snacks, sodas, water and empty bottles ready.

don't ask why the empty bottles are for. use your imagination.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^:barf:
Anyways, when does the conference start, in GMT?

[Z]

hey, special times demand special procedures! things aren't so forgiving in the real world. it's a jungle ou there!

as for the time, check out VG's first post here (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=55101). if he's wrong, we can beat him up together.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Thanks Xb. And you'd better not film those "special procedures", and put them on the E3 DVD!!!

[Z]

*scraps it from the Special Features menu and moves it to the Main menu!*

[Sephiroth_VII]

^NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! We just lost about 1000 DVD pre-orders right there!!

[Revenge]

Just... WOW

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2006/04/27/mgs4-realtime-video/




It's a bit more on the technical side, but reveals such tastey nuggets of information such as Snake's mustache containing the same polygon count as an entire enemy soldier in MGS3.

[Luis]

Yeah, it's old (TGS 2005), but always nice to see.

[BillCosby]

Thats still got me zomg.

[Luis]

Better quality version here.

http://files.filefront.com/MGS4+PS3+Devkit+TGS+Demo+Eng/;4440530;;/fileinfo.html

[LiquidEagle]

Somebody needs to bump this in preparation for E3 :-p

There's a new Update on Hide-chan radio (HIDEOBLOG's podcast #14), and they mentioned that they've been hard at work on trailers, which they're gonna have to deliver by hand since mail isn't fast enough or secure enough. Ryan is taking one trailer with him and Ken is taking another one with him... They can't really go into specifics on the show since it gets bleeped out, but they did mention a pretty big surprise they've got going, and this certainly puts to rest any doubt that there would be an MGS4 trailer at E3 (shame on whoever doubted in the first place :laugh:)

Anyways, do you know what day tomorrow is? :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

expect mgs4 fanart after the trailer!!!!!

[yoshaw]

Somebody needs to bump this in preparation for E3 :-p

There's a new Update on Hide-chan radio (HIDEOBLOG's podcast #14), and they mentioned that they've been hard at work on trailers, which they're gonna have to deliver by hand since mail isn't fast enough or secure enough. Ryan is taking one trailer with him and Ken is taking another one with him... They can't really go into specifics on the show since it gets bleeped out, but they did mention a pretty big surprise they've got going, and this certainly puts to rest any doubt that there would be an MGS4 trailer at E3 (shame on whoever doubted in the first place :laugh:)

Anyways, do you know what day tomorrow is? :-D

I think one game out of these two is for the Revolution(err, Wii). We could argue that hideoblog is mainly setup for MGS fans but nowhere does it say that hideoblog has to keep only MGS fans in mind while podcasting. So I'm quite sure that one is the MGS4 trailer and the other is the surprise game for Revo ... err Wii.

Also checkout the new game from Konami story at Gamespot. It's also hinting at the new game for Nintendo courtesy of Kojima-san himself :)

I'm excited either way for both Ninty and Sony! Both have secured one of the most amazing videogames director ever.

[Luis]

Anyways, do you know what day tomorrow is? :-DSure I know :)

"Do you know what day it is today?"


Also checkout the new game from Konami story at Gamespot. It's also hinting at the new game for Nintendo courtesy of Kojima-san himself :)
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/news/04/28/mgs_screen001.jpg

[cliffbo]

It's not a flaw. The whole game is a sick ride all the way though. It doesn't try to lengthen itself with mundane things like a lot of other games try to do. I'm ripping this analogy from somewhere else, but I wouldn't judge a meal's quality based on how long it takes me to eat it. You judge the overall flavor(s). How does it make you feel from start to finish is a better index. So in my opinion I don't think the length (or lack thereof) is problematic. :shrug:

so if i gave you half a spoonful of your favourite meal you wouldn't feel cheated if i ate the rest. :)

[LiquidEagle]

Interesting! Those almost hint at a remake, unless they're part of MGS4. I can't imagine Kojima working on a Metal Gear for Revolution if he's been wanting to move away from it for years now and do something new...

Meh, I think those are part of MGS4, namely the "revolt" one. Although you could interpret that as Revolution, there will also be a similar theme to MGS4 IMO. Either way, expect big things :-D

[EvilTaru]

oh yeah. I am freeing myself up during the conference. I'll get alot of junk food, snacks, sodas, water and empty bottles ready.

don't ask why the empty bottles are for. use your imagination.

Just don't confused those bottles with other bottles of mountain dew, if you know what I mean.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/hem.gif

I can't wait to see MGS4 in its full glory, I'll be off work that week.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[venomv]

And you from experience don't you Taru?

lol, kidding.

[EvilTaru]

And you from experience don't you Taru?

lol, kidding.

I'll try to hold it in until the conference is over.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[LaLiLuLeLo]

so if i gave you half a spoonful of your favourite meal you wouldn't feel cheated if i ate the rest. :)

By that analogy, I'd be playing the first 20 minutes of a game and you'd be playing the last several hours of it. Yeah, then I'd be ticked. But you can't relate any game from start to finish to a bite or morsel of its greater whole. It's not like they let me go from one level to the next and teased me with the rest of the game, that's more along the lines of a game demo, that say, you get in the mail or with a magazine off the news stand. After I beat MGS inside and out, there is no 'rest of game' that I got gyped out of. It had a beginning middle and end and was friggin delicious. It's not a 7 course meal, but it's a nice 3 course dinner, and because it's amazing, every bite, or moment is amazing.

So in rebuttle, your analogy is flawed, so MEH!:doh:

and by the way, if you even got close to a plate of my own food you'd be pulling back a nub.:realmad:guns:

[venomv]

We need a fork stabbing smilley for that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah. Since there's no real news about, I want to ask, what do the little green bars on our avatars represent?

[LiquidEagle]

I'm pretty sure Cliff was just goofing around, LaLiLuLeLo, that's why I didn't respond to it :-p

Also, are you talking about the green rep bars?

Jack, do you know what day it is tomorrow? :laugh:

The fork smiley HAS to be stabbing Johnny Sasaki too -- nobody else!

[cornholio12]

i wouldn't be surprised if MGS4 blew the shit out of every game graphically at e3(including killzone e3 05 cgi). infact i expect it to

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm pretty sure Cliff was just goofing around, LaLiLuLeLo, that's why I didn't respond to it :-p

Also, are you talking about the green rep bars?


yeah do they follow how many posts you have or how many rep points you have? just curious.

[Luis]

yeah do they follow how many posts you have or how many rep points you have? just curious.Yeah, each one represents 100 points. However, everyone has one of them when they start posting and get a bit of +rep, so the first one just stands for that.

I'm about to get my fourth one :P

[overclocked]

I remember when i played MGS2, i thought a sequel should take place first on a military base. On this Base theres a secret Submarine you board witch takes you out to a BIG aircraft-carrier. In the Aircraft-carrier you would steal a plan to escape and it would be like an AceCombat/MGS-realistic Long flight escape scenario.. :smoke:

[LiquidEagle]

An escape scenario like MGS1's? That was great. I don't even have to mention MGS3's escape sequence -- nothing short of amazing to watch and play.

Even if MGS4 doesn't "blow the ****" out of every game at E3 graphically, it'll come very close, and here's the kicker: Graphics are not the focus of the game, and we'll see a good idea of the other stuff they're cooking up in this trailer. I was re-watching the MGS2 trailer yesterday and it was incredible how next-gen it was at the time, and I remember seeing a development timeline for Soul Reaver 2 in an issue of OPM where the MGS2 E3 2000 trailer was listed on the timeline, stating how it raised the bar for what's "next-gen" and they had to rework a bunch of stuff for their Legacy of Kain game :laugh: The whole shootout in the food storage room where things fall realistically, and then Snake sneezes because of the flour kicked up in the air -- that blew peoples' minds, and I'm sure that doesn't even come near what MGS4 will attain with things you aren't going to immediately notice.

E3 can't come soon enough! (I think I've said that before...)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

James Mielke said in the e3 2000 issue of EGM how some developers watching it just hung their heads in defeat.

[Zer0-Sum]

James Mielke said in the e3 2000 issue of EGM how some developers watching it just hung their heads in defeat.

Hung their heads in defeat? That is funny and awesome at the same time. MGS4 will rock no doubt about it. I love the "No Place To Hide" thing and I imagine that is only the beginning.

[LiquidEagle]

Absolutely -- No Place to Hide will just be one of the many consequences of KoPro making this game more natural and...well...next-gen.

And Jack, do you remember what day it is today? :-p I'm awesome

[CARTIER90]

I am really hoping that MGS4 has a REALLY long campaign .....40-50 hours....Surely with Blu-Ray there is the room ?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

40-50 hour action game?
Don't bank on it pal.

[Zer0-Sum]

I am really hoping that MGS4 has a REALLY long campaign .....40-50 hours....Surely with Blu-Ray there is the room ?

That would be crazy. 40-50 hours of gameplay? Kojima would have to hold off on releaseing the game forever for that to happen. 30 hours would be just fine with me. Besides, it would have to be a tight story to fill 40-50 hours of gameplay. And we all know the story has always been one of the defining features of the MGS series. ;)

[masteratt]

As long as it's longer than MGS3, I won't be burning down the Konami HQ. ;)

[Luis]

I believe LaLiLu said a while ago that it's not about how long it is, but about how good it is. The first time I played MGS3, it took me around 25 hours to complete it, but I totally enjoyed it all and I wasn't in a rush to finish it. The second time I played it, I discovered a number of new things although it took me around 20 hours.

Now, if you're a "Rambo like" player who's just looking for non-stop action for 50+ hours, MGS is not your best choice. Besides, I'd take any 5 hours long game with MGS like quality experience anytime over anything longer than that with a lower quality experience. Asking for more than 50+ hours of MGS greatness is over the top.

[Zer0-Sum]

I second that one VG Aficionado! Quality over quantity! That is what MGS has always stood for. Besides, Kojima will make the game as long as the story takes, no more, no less.

[CARTIER90]

Yes, I am flinging figures around without really thinking of them :), 30 hours would be great, I havent played MGS3, only 2, and that was over way too quickly.

[Luis]

Quality over quantity, that's it :) Avoid filler crap and make every part of MGS4 worth remembering.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well be deliberate in your flinging of numbers! :troutslap 40-50 hours is your average RPG runtime (given you don't get sidetracked with mini quests and leveling up).

[LiquidEagle]

MGS3 took me 16 hours my first time through, and at least 19 my second time, and it's the longest of the 3 as far as I'm concerned... MGS1 took like 13 hours and MGS2 took me about 12 hours. I have no doubt that we'll get at least 20 solid hours of story gameplay when you factor in how ridiculously cool it'll be to mess around in a next-gen arena, then that doesn't even count online.... :-D

[eurotrash]

I remember Hideo Kojima at one point said that he could make his games 50% longer if he just decreased Snake's running speed... But he didn't want that, he wanted the game to be awesome all the way through. So yeah that's all...

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: that sounds like Hideo Kojima joking on people complaining about his game length by saying they're the complete package, and slowing his run speed (which would be a ridiculous change) would be the best way to make them longer.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If anything I always wanted snake to run faster if you're pushing hard on the analog stick. He should be able to bawl out into a sprint if you're getting gunned down. But noooo just always brisk jogging speed.

[LiquidEagle]

More incentive to not get spotted :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hey, let's be clear. I don't get spotted. In some places, I don't even need to fire a single shot.
But it'd be nice if he could haul ass sometimes. He's the legendary mercenary clone of the greatest soldier that ever lived, and he can't even sprint.
I can sprint.

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: I'm just kidding... nobody's perfect :-p

I think his run is fine though, a full on sprint might be a little much, plus I think it would have been hard to control in a lot of MGS's environments since it has a lot of closed quarters. Even MGS3 had some tight spots where you couldn't really move one way or another.

[curryking1]

Hey, let's be clear. I don't get spotted. In some places, I don't even need to fire a single shot.
But it'd be nice if he could haul ass sometimes. He's the legendary mercenary clone of the greatest soldier that ever lived, and he can't even sprint.
I can sprint.

Just keep doing rolls lol. Those make you go pretty damn fast and every guy in your way gets knocked to the ground lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hahaha. There's a mysterious man rolling through our fortress! We can't stop him! Radio for help!

[LiquidEagle]

Guards in MGS2 were quick enough sometimes that if you tried to roll at them they'd just rock you in the face, I didn't get quite as much trouble from MGS3 guards in that respect though. Rolling was definitely a good addition except for when I was first getting used to it and I tried to prone to go under the lasers on Deck D of the Tanker, but instead I rolled right into them :laugh:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah rolling isn't fullproof. Sometimes you just get kicked in the face.

[curryking1]

Rolling was definitely a good addition except for when I was first getting used to it and I tried to prone to go under the lasers on Deck D of the Tanker, but instead I rolled right into them :laugh:

Lol, "Oops, my bad, I just killed every important character in the game, and more importantly, myself" haha.

I liked how in MGS3 you could roll and go straight into prone, looked pretty sweet (can't remember if you can in MGS2, been a looong time). Remember Raiden's crazy ass cartwheel? Lol that was some funny shit. A great improvement on the rolling in MGS3 tho was that rolling up stairs didn't get you knocked down, I found that so annoying in MGS2 lol (when you cartwheel or roll up stairs).


yeah rolling isn't fullproof. Sometimes you just get kicked in the face.

That only happened when the guards were alert or with the reinforcement guards right? That stuff was really funny tho.
I wonder how they're going to make this look in MGS4. With the characters looking so realistic, it would be weird to have such a cartoonish and comical impact when rolling into enemies. They better have looked into that haha. Maybe you could see the guy get flattened into the ground if you roll directly over him in MGS4 lol that would be awesome.

[EvilTaru]

Lol, "Oops, my bad, I just killed every important character in the game, and more importantly, myself" haha.

I liked how in MGS3 you could roll and go straight into prone, looked pretty sweet (can't remember if you can in MGS2, been a looong time). Remember Raiden's crazy ass cartwheel? Lol that was some funny shit. A great improvement on the rolling in MGS3 tho was that rolling up stairs didn't get you knocked down, I found that so annoying in MGS2 lol (when you cartwheel or roll up stairs).



That only happened when the guards were alert or with the reinforcement guards right? That stuff was really funny tho.
I wonder how they're going to make this look in MGS4. With the characters looking so realistic, it would be weird to have such a cartoonish and comical impact when rolling into enemies. They better have looked into that haha. Maybe you could see the guy get flattened into the ground if you roll directly over him in MGS4 lol that would be awesome.

The character models would improve, and the animations would definitely improve along with it, it's pretty clear Kojima and his team are very good in terms of attention to details.

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah you can go straight into a prone in MGS2 as well. I thought it was pretty funny (though kinda annoying if I was on the run) when my character would eat the stairs if I tried to roll up them. I'm not complaining that it's gone though :-p

[yoshaw]

Some details on MGS4 and Metal Gear Solid The Movie and a brand new MGS game for PSP.

- The Otacon robot has been scrapped from MGS4 permanently. It was too difficult to implement.

- Online will play a major role in MGS4.

- New game for PSP in the MGS series.

- UWE BOLL will not be the director of any MGS movie project.



'It's going to be a Hollywood film. It won't be that German director [Uwe Boll]. Viggo Mortensen would make a perfect Snake, but maybe he's a little too old. Metal Gear Solid, which was set in Alaska, would make a perfect setting for the movie.'

Article Translation:
Declare Hideo Kojima, the famous creator of the series Metal Gear Solid, who confirms with English magazine PSW that its play will be adapted soon to the cinema. Hideo Kojima reveals some small information in addition relating to Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots envisaged on PlayStation 3, one learns as well as the Otacon robot could finally be withdrawn definitively from the final version of the play because of problems of implementation. The person in charge for the project also announces that the aspect of play on line will take an important place in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Hideo Kojima finishes by evoking the possibilities of a new play Metal Gear Solid on PSP. To follow.

PSW

[Voidler]

That sucks, the robot was so cool :(

[EvilTaru]

Well, that's a frickin' downer. Any happy news?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/indifferent.gif

[Voidler]

New PSP MGS game, was that ever officially confirmed before now?

Online playing a major role is good news aswell

[LaLiLuLeLo]

NOOOOOOOOOO that robot was awesooooome.

That makes me sad, I was so looking forward to that.
METAL GEAR SOLID MOVIE IS GOOD NEWS (I hope)!!!

[cornholio12]

didn't someone who saw the trailer(e3 06 one) say that they were impressed and said "now this is next gen"?. if the tgs video impressed people then geez i can't wait to see the e3 06.

[Voidler]

didn't someone who saw the trailer(e3 06 one) say that they were impressed and said "now this is next gen"?. if the tgs video impressed people then geez i can't wait to see the e3 06.Alot of people said that

[LiquidEagle]

Voidler, I don't think a lot of people have seen the E3 '06 trailer so the only impressions we have to go by is Sony's when Kojima showed it to them a few days ago. The PSP MGS was announced in HIDEOBLOG but nothing else was said... scrapping of the robot kinda sucks, but I wonder just how much they'll be scrapping. Are they just scrapping the interactivity with that thing on PSP, or are they scrapping the whole idea that Otacon is helping you via MGMII and he'll assist via codec instead?

Lastly, Viggo Mortensen was an interesting choice for Snake, I haven't really considered him. After seeing Equilibrium & Batman Begins though, I'm convinced Christian Bale would make an awesome Solid Snake. Sean Bean gets my vote for Liquid Snake, personally. If they do this, they better do it right, though! Judging by Silent Hill and Konami's great level of involvement in that movie, I think they can pull it off :-D

[cornholio12]

Alot of people said that

sooo...a lot of people have already seen the e3 06 video?

[Voidler]

Nevermind, I thought you said TGS :P Who said that about the upcoming E3 trailer?

[yoshaw]

scrapping of the robot kinda sucks, but I wonder just how much they'll be scrapping. Are they just scrapping the interactivity with that thing on PSP, or are they scrapping the whole idea that Otacon is helping you via MGMII and he'll assist via codec instead?

If we go by guesses. It'd be easier to say that the whole thing is scrapped. Why? I think maybe it has to do with the difficulty of keeping the robot safe from snipers, the organic legged metal gears or the 10's of soldiers that Kojima intends to implement in any one fighting sequence(maybe). It must be hard to keep track of the little bugger that they just called it quits on the poor fella, no?

;) Maybe we'll see him pop up in some cinematics. But if you read the official statement, it does give a bad vibe about the lil things existance.

[overclocked]

How good it is, and im speaking about generally all new footage etc of games or movie-CG. Theres NOTHING, nothing that could/will or have impressed me as much as the pre-MGS2 trailer covering the intro of the game!
Cause it was such a new standard in terms of gfx blending with movie and reality that for me that is "game-history" and i think it will be remembered in future lexicons as such also. The first... :smoke:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

my guess is it got scrapped altgother :( since you'd have to keep track of it, make sure it didn't get you noticed by enemies. Shouldn't whoever play solid snake just play liquid snake as well with a blonde wig? Makes sense to me. They're not like, fraternal twins, they're clone brothers, so they're identical abeit for their hairdos.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Must....seee.....meryl...raiden.....ocelot...naomi !!
edit: actually I don't think the woman in the hood is naomi (even though she's def in the game), she looks too young to be naomi, who was late twenties at the youngest in mgs one

[Mr_Nothin]

Tom Cruise would make for a good young snake (mgs1).
MEL GIBSON for the older (not old) snake.
In terms of looks of course :)

[LiquidEagle]

I'm pretty sure it was already confirmed that that was Naomi, LaLiLuLeLo. Even so, I definitely think that is her regardless of how old she may look in that particular drawing.

Now when I think about the sticky situations the robot could create, I'm glad they scrapped it since it'll prevent any problems with buddy AI. Even though KoPro are masters of all things game design, having a tag-along can always be a problem. Just look at Boomer from SOCOM 1 :laugh:

anyhoo, this trailer's gonna be incredible, but I dunno if I'm expecting the same impact MGS2 had. I was a lot younger & more impressionable back then -- we all were when it came to videogames :-p If there's any trailer that could top that though, it would be this one.

Voidler: Kojima/Hide-Chan radio mentioned that they personally demo'ed the trailer to Sony (which is right by their building in Roppongi, thus the Ape Escape collaboration) recently, and they got good feedback on it (of course they were gonna get good feedback on it :doh:). That's all we really have to go on though as to how good the trailer looks. Let your imagine fill in the rest for a little over a week and you'll survive ;)

LaLiLuLeLo, OPM did a "Dream Cast" for an MGS movie and they picked Hugh Jackman as fulfilling a double role as both Solid Snake & Liquid Snake, so you're not the only person to suggest that, but I personally don't like the idea. For one thing they have very different personalities and voices -- no actor could really fill both main roles at once and do a 100% job on both. At least I don't think so. Also, I think in a lot of ways they're identical (obviously you can see that in the briefing videos before Snake cuts/dyes his hair and when Meryl mistakes him for Liquid), but the fact is that they still led different lives so I think they should have defining characteristics that the other doesn't. Even if you have identical twins, they'll have differences later in life since they had different experiences. Since Liquid Snake is the type to have a maniacal smile on his face constantly (or just that smug look even), his face will wrinkle differently than Snake's more cold, expressionless face since different muscles got a different workout through their lives. Anyhoo, I think that justifies having different actors for Solid & Liquid Snake, and it would ensure that one actor wasn't biting off more than he could chew by being the main protagonist and the main antagonist. Hugh Jackman's a pretty good choice though, since Solid Snake does resemble Wolverine in a lot of ways IMO.

The only other Liquid Snake I can think of would be Dougray Scott, who was the bad guy in Mission: Impossible 2. He makes a pretty good maniac with some psychological problems and he's got a pretty close accent (though he definitely has an Australian/NZ sound to him rather than full-on British), but I dunno if he could pull off blonde hair...

[Luis]

MG MkII scrapped? :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: It can't be! I hope it's just about playable interaction while it will be making an NPC appearance. They wanted to do something similar since MGS2 though, but wasn't possible then.

However, if it was true, and knowing that Kojima and his team are geniuses, they're probably aiming too high while they're being ambitious with other departments, so I would not be surprised if they had to get rid of an extremely good feature.

I still don't want to believe this news though. What the hell is "PSW" anyway?

[LiquidEagle]

Oh yeah, another possibility about the robot getting kicked out of MGS4 -- was its Cell Processor too hard to program for? :laugh:

This also reminds me of the planned GBA~NGC connectivity Twin Snakes was supposed to have. It's a shame that that got scrapped too, but these are casualties of what can easily be argued as the most ambitious games we'll ever see :)

[yoshaw]

I still don't want to believe this news though. What the hell is "PSW" anyway?

It's a magazine name and I think its published in the UK.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

hugh jackman has the british accent when he speaks normally. it's funny thinking of someone having an 'american accent'.

[LiquidEagle]

Actually, isn't Hugh Jackman Australian? I don't mean to be a jerk, but IMO there can be a difference sometimes, and Christian Bale is British too (I'm pretty sure he has it in Reign of Fire but he can switch between the two on the fly it seems).

[EvilTaru]

Actually, isn't Hugh Jackman Australian? I don't mean to be a jerk, but IMO there can be a difference sometimes, and Christian Bale is British too (I'm pretty sure he has it in Reign of Fire but he can switch between the two on the fly it seems).

Yes, he is an Aussie, oy! His american accent is quite good though. Although he can't do a proper Canadian accent as Wolverine, eh hoser?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[LiquidEagle]

Do Canadians call people "Bub?" :laugh:

[curryking1]

Do Canadians call people "Bub?" :laugh:

Lol I haven't heard 'bub' ever in conversations up here haha. I do say eh and yo a lot tho haha (I curse a lot too when I talk but that's more just me haha).

I'm glad that little robot was scrapped. I honestly thought it would break the flow of the game and I'd much rather be focused on getting Snake from Pt A to Pt B and getting in firefights. I just see the robot as too much of a diversion from playing the game as Snake and kicking butt.

[Luis]

Diversion, reconnaissance, communication and ammo supply could be its main duties. I will be pissed if MGMkII is totally scrapped. I'd agree that it must be really hard to implement something like that efficiently and make the game exciting in that way, but I'd still like to see it in the final game somehow. It would set the MGS series apart from every other game, even more than it is now, and make MGS4 so unique compared to previous installments.

They might solve the problems and try to implement it later in Metal Gear Raiden though :)

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh:, assuming there is one (I wouldn't mind)

They may restrict its involvement to cinemas, or maybe make it more of a come-and-go thing where he'll be out & about scouting or whatever and then every once in awhile he'll come to you with something to report. It would be awesome though if it had a hard time finding Snake since he was sneaking around so it would wander the city looking for you at points.

[EvilTaru]

Do Canadians call people "Bub?" :laugh:

Actually no, we only use "aboot", "eh" and "hoser" in our sentences.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[Luis]

I wouldn't mind if it was just an NPC character. Interaction would be ideal, but well... Like I said, Kojima Prod. must be aiming really high with MGS4, so it's natural some amazing things can't be done yet.

[LiquidEagle]

Plus he could just be an annoyance if he gets you into trouble -- nobody likes those kinds of characters!

[Luis]

WHAT THE...???????!!!!!


http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8384/leakedmgs4raidene320068dg.jpg

Looks like fake to me, but...

[BlueTsunami]

Yep its fake. I believe it was taken from the Snake Eraser thing at last E3. Its not real though.

Can't wait to see how Raiden looks like this E3 though

;)

[makeitlookreal]

Hello Everyone,

I finally found a link several days ago to one of MGS 4's clips and viewed it. The game does indeed look pretty good! Again, I hope that what we get this time around at E3 will at least match what we already have and that we will not loose any quality. From what I have read most of what we already saw was done in real time just like it would be done on a console. After having longer to work on the system and of course art and so fourth I just hope we will get something special at E3. Personally, I never played any of the MGS games, but my younger brother was hooked on them a number of years ago. If I get a PS3 perhaps I will get this game and become hooked myself.

[LiquidEagle]

makeitlookreal: it's all real-time. MGS hasn't used CG since the first MGS on PSOne, and even then they got rid of it because it wasn't looking good enough and they could do it in the real-time polygon demos just fine still. I'm guessing you saw the TGS trailer (since there's nothing else available), but I'm sure there's also a link somewhere in this beast of a thread that shows Kojima personally demonstrating the game by moving the camera around during the cinema and playing with different effects like HDR and Depth of Field Rendering (or whatever it's called), and he talks about creating Snake's character model & whatnot. Also, he says that the final game will look even better and they're still fiddling with the hardware as of that video's creation. :-D

[masteratt]

link somewhere in this beast of a thread that shows Kojima personally demonstrating the game by moving the camera around during the cinema and playing with different effects like HDR and Depth of Field Rendering (or whatever it's called), and he talks about creating Snake's character model & whatnot.

Skimmed throuygh, couldn't find it.
I heard about that video months ago but never came across it :(

Anyone kind enough to link me again?
Greatly Appreciated.

[Luis]

Yep its fake. I believe it was taken from the Snake Eraser thing at last E3. Its not real though.Feel free to take a look at Snake Eraser and you'll see it's not the source of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pJHGJCttEA&search=snake%20eraser

Snake Eraser was shown at TGS 2005, BTW.

Any ideas about what is that? Raiden's face (a mask?) looks PS2, but everything else looks MGS4 quality.

[Smokey]

i hope they can give you the good quality link not the crappy ones :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pJHG...snake%20eraser

lol vg ive never seen that one before too funny :)

[LiquidEagle]

His face definitely looks PS2 -- the video's clearly doctored, but I'm pretty sure you already knew that.

As for the backgrounds, yes they look like MGS4 in that MGS4 looks like real life -- I wouldn't be surprised if those background pics were footage from a real video of some random city. Or it could be from the new Medal of Honor or something....

I'll try to track down that real-time demonstration :-)

EDIT: Here ya go, it was still in my history :-p I'm not sure if this is the "good quality" one like Smokey's talking about, but it'll do until somebody finds the better one (if there is a better quality one). It was linked to in that 360vsPS3 thread that's been going and I think xb said something about The_One translating it or something, what's up with that? Anyhoo....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDudPTOznE&search=metal%25%20gear%25%20solid%25%204

[frosty]

Hello Everyone,

I finally found a link several days ago to one of MGS 4's clips and viewed it. The game does indeed look pretty good! Again, I hope that what we get this time around at E3 will at least match what we already have and that we will not loose any quality. From what I have read most of what we already saw was done in real time just like it would be done on a console. After having longer to work on the system and of course art and so fourth I just hope we will get something special at E3. Personally, I never played any of the MGS games, but my younger brother was hooked on them a number of years ago. If I get a PS3 perhaps I will get this game and become hooked myself.

Also take note that this clip was running on INCOMPLETE hardware on a geforce 7800 (or 2 6800 SLI-forgot) And an incomplete cell processor that only ran @ 2.6 GHZ. The game will look a good bit better.

[Smokey]

ill look on me disks im pretty sure there was a bigger picture one i downloaded yonks ago, but if im talking shit & its a figment of my imagination lol im sorry :)

yeah ive got the same one its just clearer & cleaner looking but the same size still looking though,, so me sorry for talking shit!

[Luis]

lol vg ive never seen that one before too funny :)Actually, it's the second part of this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZZ_W5pzUXk&search=metal%20gear%20solid%204). You may have watched it before, or maybe not. Just don't miss it!

[Smokey]

id like to know where to down load them from, seen the first one but still very funny thanks vg :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hello Everyone,

I finally found a link several days ago to one of MGS 4's clips and viewed it. The game does indeed look pretty good! Again, I hope that what we get this time around at E3 will at least match what we already have and that we will not loose any quality. From what I have read most of what we already saw was done in real time just like it would be done on a console. After having longer to work on the system and of course art and so fourth I just hope we will get something special at E3. Personally, I never played any of the MGS games, but my younger brother was hooked on them a number of years ago. If I get a PS3 perhaps I will get this game and become hooked myself.

Pretty...good?:nervous:
pretty good?:buldge:

pretty good?:mad:

PRETTY GOOD?!!!:guns: :guns: :guns: :guns:

I'm slapping myself because I can't reach you!


Pretty good...compared to what?

[Smokey]

Pretty...good?:nervous:
pretty good?:buldge:

pretty good?:mad:

PRETTY GOOD?!!!:guns: :guns: :guns: :guns:

I'm slapping myself because I can't reach you!


Pretty good...compared to what?
lol always get a laugh around here :)

[LiquidEagle]

...You're pretty good... :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

'you're not cut out for an automatic in the first place.'

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: this thread is one step away from turning into the MGS quote thread...

Anyways, Kojima will probably be demonstrating MGS4 next Tuesday, and I think Konami has their press conference that Tuesday as well, so that's when we'll get the flood of info, but I think I'm going to keep myself in the dark so when I watch the MGS4 trailer on the big screen at E3, it's my first time seeing it :-D

[Luis]

"It has a nice ring to it!"

"Of course, you will find none of these in the history books."

"Did you say 'nerd'?"

[taxloss]

A demonstration may come sooner than you think. Keep your eyes peeled.

[LiquidEagle]

VG...



Shut up in there, will ya! :laugh:

okay I'm done. we need more information. Also, thanks for that link to Snake Eraser, VG -- that's the first time I watched it! I always assumed it was the same thing as the MGS4 trailer from E3!

[taxloss]

Metal Gear real time demo is what we are waiting for and I may have found something.

[taxloss]

Check this out! Don't know if this has been posted yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDudPTOznE&search=videogame%20mgs%20ps3

[Luis]

Metal Gear real time demo is what we are waiting for and I may have found something.Don't tell me you've found this (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=55436)!

[Luis]

Well, since you're a newbie, we'll forgive you this time :)

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=55436

[yoshaw]

Very very old stuff. Was made by Metalgearih and One from Beyond3D.

[cliffbo]

Check this out! Don't know if this has been posted yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDudPTOznE&search=videogame%20mgs%20ps3

we all do it mate lol

[taxloss]

Oh well, can't win them all!!! Always found the search engine to be rubbish.
Still worth another look. Yep, isn't it a thing of beauty!

Err, one more look...again!

[xbdestroya]

You know what I honestly think has happened?

I think people have been reading the 'graphics comparison' thread in this forum, saw post #279 on this page: http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=55354&page=14, hadn't seen the video before - like myself honestly - and freaked out at how awesome it was.

Since it was posted in that thread, I've seen it spread as 'new' information on every forum I visit. It's crazy!

Old news, great video, locked thread. :smoke:

[Smokey]

thats the one vg the bottom post, its cleaner & clearer looking than the yotube one

[LiquidEagle]

http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/2006/05/001618.html#more

HIDECHAN radio will be broadcasting the audio for the first 90 seconds of the MGS4 trailer this Friday! Considering that they're doing that for American HIDEOBLOG readers, could that mean the voices are in English!? It would definitely be a first time for that since they didn't have English voices on Snake Eater trailers until GC04 in Germany, 2 months before its release! Anyways, I won't be listening to this since I want to keep it a surprise, so that's probably when I'm going to Submerge (if you will :-p) from this thread to avoid any discussion about it that could spoil it...

Also, if it isn't English then we're either gonna have to listen to 30 seconds of Japanese talking or they'll put subtitles to it for us...

Oh yeah, is that picture on the blog entry blank for everybody else too?

Also notice that the entry says "rearmed" -- just like the postcard.

[julps31]

Sweeeet!!! And its the first 90 seconds by the way. Who knows maybe there wont even be a lot of dialog in the trailer. Maybe it'll be just action..punches and kick and explosions to peak our interest.

[LiquidEagle]

Bah! ...you've won this round!

I think there's gotta be some dialog, especially introducing the trailer, much like MGS2's first trailer. I hope at least one person in the trailer yells out "SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!" -- I'll cry tears of joy.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

*joy*.

[Luis]

A 90 seconds spoiler? No way I could possibly want that!!!

Why are they doing this? Don't they want to keep it totally under wraps? Maybe they want us to guess what it will look like by listening to the audio, and then totally blow us away with something unexpected.

I've got the feeling there'll be something unusual about the audio. But don't count on me to listen to it.

[julps31]

A 90 seconds spoiler? No way I could possibly want that!!!

Why are they doing this? Don't they want to keep it totally under wraps? Maybe they want us to guess what it will look like by listening to the audio, and then totally blow us away with something unexpected.

I've got the feeling there'll be something unusual about the audio. But don't count on me to listen to it.Who says its a spoiler? Do you know if we'll even learn anything? Like i said, i think it'll be something to peak our interest..we might hear some voices that we don't recgonize and we can speculate about who it is until the actual trailer is shown. In other words..fun!! lol

[LaLiLuLeLo]

@ VG- Dude, you underestimate kojima's deceptive abilities. He's the master of teasing and hinting without giving away things. You should just check it out.

[LiquidEagle]

Well I think it's true that Kojima wouldn't show anything to us unless he had good reason to, and the fact that he's letting this out possibly means that he wants us to hear it to get hyped/build expectations for the actual trailer... Either way I think I'll refrain since I want the MGS4 trailer on the big screen in Konami's booth to be the first time I see/hear it...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

meh. I don't believe in spoilers. Seeing it, even if someone told me about it already is always new to me. like, going to the moon, and someone telling me about the moon are 2 completely different things. For me, you can't ruin it by telling me.

[Luis]

Well, 'spoiler' might not be the word. I'm sure there has to be a reason beyond simply revealing something about it. There has to be something seriously good in it to release an audio teaser (first time ever for a videogame).

I don't know... I may just listen to it. I want to be totally blown away by MGS4 at E3, but at the same time I wonder if this will be an integral part of the MGS4 experience. This is so weird, it can't be real...

Kojima, you're the embodied devil, man.

[julps31]

I don't think the audio teaser will dilute the trailer at E3 any. If anything it'll get you more exited about it IMO.

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, I think I might listen to it to get more hyped for it, and I doubt it'll reveal anything major. I'm expecting about a 7 - 10 minute trailer at E3 (which sounds real long but that's standard issue for MGS), so I think Kojima wants us to hear this so it gets our hype level even higher! ARRRRRRRRRRRGH!!! I'm excited :)

I remember E3 2003 when part of the trailer leaked out for Snake Eater though...that kinda sucked, but it was great to see and it was great hype for the full trailer when E3 actually came.

Then E3 2004 I remember going to the convention center on the Tuesday before things started, and since Konami's booth is right by the doors, I was able to look in and see the display they had up, and they had the trailers already running (no audio) on the screen to make sure everything looked right. I looked in and saw the Snake Eater trailer at the part where he salutes in the beret and eyepatch (all I could say was "OMG BIG BOSS!!") and the part where young Ocelot (the first time we saw him was then) was juggling the revolvers. It blew my mind and my excitement to see the full trailer was through the roof. Just thought I'd share that pointless story (it's exciting for me :laugh:)... :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

haha, you lucky bastard.

[Luis]

I remember the leaked (partial, around 4 min) MGS3 trailer. Some people said: "Nah, it's fake, how can the setting be a jungle. Although it's the best fake ever!"

That early trailer impressed me anyway.

[LiquidEagle]

I was convinced it was fake simply because I refused to believe Kojima would ever let ANYTHING out that he didn't intend to :laugh:

That was probably the first and last time he entrusted the trailer to a second-rate carrier boy.