Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Otacon305]

Whatever, as long as no one contests Gary Oldman can be the only Ocelot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Oldman01.jpg

[Pro A.]

Hard to argue with that, especially since he's played a Russian multiple times.

[curryking1]

FUCK Bale, I don't care. Metal Gear deserves perfection, and Bale is not perfection. Hugh Jackman is the best choice.

[masonite]

Lol, that poster looks fake, im pretty sure the bale photo is from a T:S poster, and the Craig one looks definately like one from the 007 franchise. And is it just me or does the poster look like its jutting out over the frame on the upper left?!

But speaking of casting....

I would have said David Carradine for Ocelot, but now....

Oldman seems a decent choice.

Definately jackman for Solid, he's got that perpetually grumpy look and the gravelly voice that snake needs. I appreciate that bale has put a lot of effort into some of his roles, particularly the machinist, but simply having dediaction doesn't override casting. Bale just doesn't fit.

I'm thinking Naomi could be Jennifer Connolly? and perhaps Elizabeth Banks for Meryl (although it'd be a very different movie for her)....

[Otacon305]

Amen, Masonite.

I gots ya Naomi right here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Monica02.jpg
Monica Belluci

[masteratt]

Just let her play every role :heybaby:

[Segitz]

YEAH, Gary Oldman as Ocelot is PERFECT... (5th Element is on atm :D)

But... NO Bale and NO Jackman for Snake... DON'T DO IT.

I'd rather see someone less known. And, "cast" someone CAPABLE of directing and writing! Most Game to Movie adaptions suck because they have bad writing (same for Comicbook films). But the ones that do not suck don't not because of better actors, but because of a better script.

Look at movies like Lord of the Rings or Reservoir Dogs... those movies didn't have THE most prominent actors, but good writing. I mean, they shouldn't cast a bad actor, but there's no need for known ones. Writing is MUCH more important. I'd even go as far and say cast David Hayter... His voice is Snake, and the appearance can by dialed to what they want (just look at Gary Oldman transforming from Zorg, via the cop from Leon to Commissioner Gordon^^).

Rutger Hauer (like he portraied Roy Batty in Blade Runner) as Thunderbolt (might be too old though now)

Terry O'Quinn as Major Zero

Steve Buscemi as Otacon (this man is... THE best ugly actor there is :D... I know I know, most people will think this won't work, but Steve CAN pull it off convincingly!)

and women... dunno, I have the slight feeling that women can't act^^ I'll let you cast them.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

YEAH, Gary Oldman as Ocelot is PERFECT... (5th Element is on atm :D)

But... NO Bale and NO Jackman for Snake... DON'T DO IT.

I'd rather see someone less known. And, "cast" someone CAPABLE of directing and writing! Most Game to Movie adaptions suck because they have bad writing (same for Comicbook films). But the ones that do not suck don't not because of better actors, but because of a better script.

Look at movies like Lord of the Rings or Reservoir Dogs... those movies didn't have THE most prominent actors, but good writing. I mean, they shouldn't cast a bad actor, but there's no need for known ones. Writing is MUCH more important. I'd even go as far and say cast David Hayter... His voice is Snake, and the appearance can by dialed to what they want (just look at Gary Oldman transforming from Zorg, via the cop from Leon to Commissioner Gordon^^).

Rutger Hauer (like he portraied Roy Batty in Blade Runner) as Thunderbolt (might be too old though now)

Terry O'Quinn as Major Zero

Steve Buscemi as Otacon (this man is... THE best ugly actor there is :D... I know I know, most people will think this won't work, but Steve CAN pull it off convincingly!)

and women... dunno, I have the slight feeling that women can't act^^ I'll let you cast them.

They're fine in character pieces and rom coms but once you put 'em in an action movie they just eat bricks.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

FUCK Bale, I don't care. Metal Gear deserves perfection, and Bale is not perfection. Hugh Jackman is the best choice.

Christian Bale is a better actor.

[seahorse]

so is this game ever going to come out with trophies?

[cliffbo]

You can't blame a movie sucking on one actor. And as far as the movies he's been in, it's the exception to the rule. The movies I've seen him in are damn good. Equilibrium, American Psycho, Nolan's Batman series, 3:10 To Yuma, The Prestige...

two exceptional films

[Jay Gee]

American Pyscho is incredible. The Prestige is probably his best film, IMO. Want to see how far the guy goes to get into character? Watch the Machinist. Guy literally eats apples for months to lose most of his body mass. He looks like a damn skeleton in that film. But the ending explains exactly why he's the way he is, and almost makes it worth it.

[Segitz]

No question about that... but I don't want to see Bruce Wayne starring in a Metal Gear movie... that doesn't work out.

[masteratt]

Whole week of announcements for the one year anniversary of MGS4. Starting with Bikinis for MGO
[youtube vid removed for space sake]

So where is the rest of the announcements?

[solidsnakejej]

MGO updated with Shadow Moses + Snake Playable on all game modes free for those w/Scene expansion
MGS4 on Greatest Hits Announced
MGS1 Available on PSN
MGO tournament for those w/Scene expansion


Nothing special.

[Otacon305]

YEAH, Gary Oldman as Ocelot is PERFECT... (5th Element is on atm :D)

But... NO Bale and NO Jackman for Snake... DON'T DO IT.

I'd rather see someone less known. And, "cast" someone CAPABLE of directing and writing! Most Game to Movie adaptions suck because they have bad writing (same for Comicbook films). But the ones that do not suck don't not because of better actors, but because of a better script.

Look at movies like Lord of the Rings or Reservoir Dogs... those movies didn't have THE most prominent actors, but good writing. I mean, they shouldn't cast a bad actor, but there's no need for known ones. Writing is MUCH more important. I'd even go as far and say cast David Hayter... His voice is Snake, and the appearance can by dialed to what they want (just look at Gary Oldman transforming from Zorg, via the cop from Leon to Commissioner Gordon^^).

Rutger Hauer (like he portraied Roy Batty in Blade Runner) as Thunderbolt (might be too old though now)

Terry O'Quinn as Major Zero

Steve Buscemi as Otacon (this man is... THE best ugly actor there is :D... I know I know, most people will think this won't work, but Steve CAN pull it off convincingly!)

and women... dunno, I have the slight feeling that women can't act^^ I'll let you cast them.

Lesser known actors are lesser known for a reason. Look at that chump they got to play Superman. He sucked.

Jim Piddock could play Zero just fine. He's probably the only voice actor who looks enough like the character he voices.

Steve Buscemi? You're smoking crack. How about Cillian Murphy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Otacon01.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Murphy04.jpg

[Smokey]

Christian Bale is a better actor.

ya he is... and im aussie & im not a big fan of jackmans. its funny Bales best movie for me is still Equilibrium i love him in that movie lol


still no MGS for AU yet :(

[Segitz]

Lesser known actors are lesser known for a reason. Look at that chump they got to play Superman. He sucked.

Jim Piddock could play Zero just fine. He's probably the only voice actor who looks enough like the character he voices.

Steve Buscemi? You're smoking crack. How about Cillian Murphy?



Just because they look alike doesn't make them fit... this is Scarecrow from Batman, right? Didn't like him there... but... dunno (still a good movie)

And the thesis of lesser known actors sucking... I don't let that count for a second. Arnold Schwarzenegger, one, if not the most known actor in the world sucks big time^^ Thing is, Otacon, in the games, is mostly just talk... thus you need an actor than can convey feelings just by speaking, and Buscemi is one of the best actors, imho.

Hugh Jackman doesn't work... I mean, his movies aren't bad... but they aren't good either... they are all mediocre at best (don't try to persuade me with IMDB ratings... they are skewed beyond belief). Bales movies are much better, but I have my doubts that he can portrait Solid Snake convincingly. It just doesn't fit.

And I don't mean completely unknown actors either... Bale has become too big. Just like Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt... both some of my all time favourite actors.

Someone like Silvester Stallone in Rambo (First Blood), but with more depth. And back then, Stallone was a porn actor at best^^

[Smokey]

we definately cant have a dumbarse actors like stallone or arnie. bale has the perfect size build etc & just gotta ruff him up abit and itll all be cool lol

[Otacon305]

Just because they look alike doesn't make them fit... this is Scarecrow from Batman, right? Didn't like him there... but... dunno (still a good movie)
Have you seen Red Eye or 28 Days Later?


And the thesis of lesser known actors sucking... I don't let that count for a second. Arnold Schwarzenegger, one, if not the most known actor in the world sucks big time^^ Thing is, Otacon, in the games, is mostly just talk... thus you need an actor than can convey feelings just by speaking, and Buscemi is one of the best actors, imho.
Anthony Hopkins is even better at conveying things just by speaking. So why not have him play Otacon? Oh yeah, he doesn't look or sound like him at all. And niether does Buscemi.

I am 100% convinced that Jackman could pull of Snake with the right script, and a little coaching from David Hayter.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I like Cillian Murphy as Otacon. He could pull it off.

[curryking1]

Just Jackman or Viggo plzplzplz :D

I guess Viggo would be an easier catch? Jackman's quota is probably high right now being Wolverine and all.

[Otacon305]

Viggo is too old.

[solidsnakejej]

For those that wanted trophies

"Just to address one issue that we've been getting a lot of comments about. And this is, of course, about trophies," said Konami in a recent podcast.

"I just wanna tell everybody out there right now that your voices are being heard and that we're not ignoring you. We hear everything that you are saying. It's just that we can't say anything just yet.

"But as soon as we have something to say, we will announce it. So, if we can just ask everyone to be patient, we will give you an answer. But right now we can't say anything. So we just ask for everyone's understanding with that and just ask for everybody to remain patient and we'll let you know."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220953

[Luis]

To be honest, I quit expecting trophies a month ago and I played through it again. And I enjoyed it.

[Z]

Give me permanent game installs and I'll play the Gear out of it!

[Luis]

I don't think they can, as the install size limit is 5 GB from what I heard, hence MGS4 needing multiple short installs. Maybe Sony could do an exception with a re-release or update, but I don't think it's likely after all this time. Although they might have made some changes in their policies since then, who knows.

On the other hand, I was glad to see the repeating installs weren't that long in the second playthrough, taking 1 to 2 minutes. Not the most ideal circumstance, but whatever.

[Segitz]

Doubt there's such a limit, or else GT5P wouldn't work (with GTTV)... it is, as of this moment, about 6GB on my HDD.

[Luis]

MGS4 is also bigger due to MGO, and so are other games with DLC. I'd say the rule applies only to the main release.

[CreativeWriter]

For those that wanted trophies


http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220953

I was patient for a couple months. Asking for patience now, this long after release, when other games got patches after a few weeks is silly.

Here's what he really means: "We've had trophies running in the game for ages, but we're waiting for a way to monetize them, either in a DLC upgrade or in a 'MGS4 + Oxide' package."

We know adding trophies to non-trophy-enabled games is easy, especially when the game has its own reward system (see how quickly Uncharted got a patch). One dev on Gaf suggested that they gave the task to a new hire--something for him to do in his first week on the job. Yes, 3rd parties have to pay fees for releasing patches. Yes, there's a longish testing period Sony requires as well, but these things are trivial. This is Metal Gear--the ultimate fan service game. I don't want to hear excuses from Konami reps.

[Segitz]

Maybe yeah... but then a patch could allow the game to fully install the rest in-game too^^

[Luis]

I was patient for a couple months. Asking for patience now, this long after release, when other games got patches after a few weeks is silly.

Here's what he really means: "We've had trophies running in the game for ages, but we're waiting for a way to monetize them, either in a DLC upgrade or in a 'MGS4 + Oxide' package."

We know adding trophies to non-trophy-enabled games is easy, especially when the game has its own reward system (see how quickly Uncharted got a patch). One dev on Gaf suggested that they gave the task to a new hire--something for him to do in his first week on the job. Yes, 3rd parties have to pay fees for releasing patches. Yes, there's a longish testing period Sony requires as well, but these things are trivial. This is Metal Gear--the ultimate fan service game. I don't want to hear excuses from Konami reps.

From what I read from developers, releasing patches or updates is more complex than simply replacing or adding code and have it tested and ready. Who knows what's going on here, but I guess having another team taking care of that seemingly simple task makes sense.

[Jay Gee]

Just announce trophies for MGS4, and a PSN release of MGO (also with trophies).

[Luis]

That would make sense. That's why they don't do it :-|

[Jay Gee]

Maybe they'll announce/launch that shit during the holidays in an attempt to boost sales (game's already a lot more affordable now).

EDIT: I can see it now. When you save the rebels in the first act, one of them hands you a bronze trophy as the icon appears at the top right of your screen. That would be awesome.

EDIT EDIT: Actually, I doubt they would could that unless a bronze trophy were already in the game. Fiddlesticks.

[Bsack]

I'll definitely give this game a few more play throughs when the trophies come. I now have more incentive to play this game and that's pretty exciting. Jump for joy everyone. =)

[solidsnakejej]

MGS Philanthropy

Download: http://www.mininova.org/tor/2990797


It's finally over.
After 3 years of hard work, this weekend italian filmmaker Giacomo Talamini will show to the audience his project based on Hideo Kojima's masterpiece Metal Gear Solid.
A real movie, 1 hour 10 minutes length, with great soundtrack (here a preview (http://hybridtwo.com/)), over the top dubbing (irish dude Phillip Sacramento IS David Hayter at his best), and a final score sang by Aoife Ferry, singer of the ending track of the first MSG videogame on Playstation (listen here (http://www.mgs-philanthropy.net/ost/MGS-Philanthropy-OST_Will_There_Be_An_End.mp3))

This weekend there will be two premierès in two italian cinemas: friday 25.9.2009 in Milano, and Saturday 26.9.2009 in Treviso, home of Giacomo's HIVE PRODUCTION.
Starting from Sunday, the movie will be downloadable for free from the internet site of the project.

Though this is a NON-PROFIT movie, it's hard to call it amateurish.
The battle at the end of the movie, 15 minutes long, is full of pyrotechnic, stunts, and CG Metal Gears never seen before in a so-called fanmovie.
Maybe a new genre of filmmaking is born, standing between fanmovie and low-budget-movie

[Coded-Dude]

cool

[curryking1]

I'm at 2.02 GB. Apparently I've uploaded 4.4 GB already >.>

I'm excited to see what they've been able to pull off. It certainly sounds like an epic amount of hard work, and hard work for free, no less, was put into this.

[Coded-Dude]

Downloaded. Will watch a bit later.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Oh, just checked my download -it's done. :)

[curryking1]

I finished watching it yesterday, it was...

Well it was actually pretty damn good for a movie! For a fan film it was absolutely mindblowing.

The only thing that irked me through the whole film was the character with the glasses who contacts Snake over the codec and briefs him on the mission. His eyes just wander way too much, and his acting is just annoying lol.

I was very impressed the whole way through. I wasn't expecting anything nearly as well done. They do Snake's voice as perfect as I could imagine a fan film doing it, very impressive.

The beginning of the film... the quality is awkward... not because of the FX necessarily but because of that guy's acting I was talking about before. Don't let it turn you off.

The acting quality is subpar of course, but this is fan fiction, and I started watching an episode of Mad Men after. The discrepancy is obvious, and for this reason I wouldn't dream of giving this a 'rating.' It would just be way too difficult to account for how the film was made.

Either way, suspend your disbelief and you'll have a lot of fun watching. There's plenty of action as well

Edit - The special effects actually do become very, very impressive in these action scenes as well.

The last 30 minutes of the video is devoted to spoilers, some of which are weird, and some of which are downright hilarious (the actual movie is still 1h10m, so the 30 minutes is additional features, this is why the movie is like 2.23 GB)

According to text in the movie this is only 'Part 1' of I guess what is meant to be a series (how can you fit a whole MGS infiltration in one film? The length is roughly corresponding to when you 'save' the Armstech president from Ocelot in MGS1). I guess assuming these guys will be able to manage to develop another film, we will see a second part eventually.

Hats off to all who participated in the film, it was really something else. Hats off to the absolutely amazing MGS series as well.

[pac4life]

I saw part 1.

Very impressed.

Great voice acting for the Snake character; you can tell these guys love the video games. It feels like something Kojima would make at times.

I would love to see his reaction to it.

[gibmonster]

I haven't seen the whole thing yet. Is this just the first part? because I'm looking forward to the others.

I like how it has the humor of the games as well. You can tell these guys are fans.

Movie also inspired me to buy a brand new copy of MGS3 I was thinking of getting. I now have original versions of the entire solid series.

[curryking1]

Yep, it's just the first part.

It gets to a point sort of parallel to when you meet Ocelot face-to-face for the first time and save the Armstech president in MGS1.

[gibmonster]

Watched it in its entirety last night and the movie is pretty impressive. Acting is a bit spotty, but the story is pretty good. Also noticed that the man playing solid snake also wrote and directed it. He's a real fan and I can't wait to see future installments.

I've started to play MGS4 again and will play MGS3 as soon as it comes in the mail today lol.

[Bsack]

There's a movie of this game now? Is it downloadable on the PS3?

[curryking1]

It's a fan movie. Take a look at some more posts from the last page lol.

[Bsack]

Did I miss the link where you download this?

[curryking1]

Lol! Come on Bsack :P

The link is right in solidsnakejej's post, he has a torrent linked to in his post. I'm not sure if there's a direct link but if there is one it's not posted here yet.

[masteratt]

http://www.hivedivision.net/content/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mgsp_release_data_news.jpg
The official site has direct download links and a streaming version! (http://www.mgs-philanthropy.net/)

i iz dloading it now

[Bsack]

Yeah curry I don't know how I missed it. Half way through the download now. =)

Thanks.

[AC!D]

Interesting little article about who should be in the MGS movie. I like it except for Tom Cruise and Drew Barrymore for this cast.

Solid Snake/ Liquid Snake to be played by Hugh Jackman
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SolidSnakeHughJackman.jpg

Raiden to be played by Tom Cruise
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RaidenTomCruise.jpg

Otacon to be play by Cillan Murphy
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Otacon.jpg

Naomi Hunter to be played Rhona Mitra
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Naomi.jpg

Gray Fox to be played by Ray Park
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/GrayFox.jpg

Big Boss to be played by Kurt Russell
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/BB.jpg

Meryl Silverburgh tobe played by Drew Barrymore
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/meryl.jpg

The Boss to be played by Lena Heady
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/TheBoss.jpg

Major Zero to be played by Alan Dale
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/MZ.jpg

Roy Campbell to be played by Daniel Craig
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RC.jpg

Is this the cast of Metal Gear Solid Movie? (http://gamingbolt.com/2009/10/03/is-this-the-cast-of-metal-gear-solid-movie/)

[masteratt]

Other than Snake and Otacon, those are some pretty bad choices.

Luckily it's just a website having a guess.

[Luis]

It seems so random that it's surely fake. Also, it was said this summer that the MGS movie was on hold for the time being.

[Coded-Dude]

Actually i don't like Hugh Jackman as Snake.

Kevin Bacon would be better IMO, than Hugh Jackman(if he could grow more facial hair)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2403965696/nm0000102

[Bsack]

Kevin Bacon? I would have to disagree big time on that one Coded.

[masteratt]

Kevin Bacon looks more of a Raiden kinda guy.

[Coded-Dude]

i thought that as well, but he does also have that raspy type voice.

why the hell is hugh jackman a fit for Snake......? :wtf:

[Bsack]

I personally think Kevin Bacon is entirely too old to be playing a character like Raiden or let alone to be in the movie at all. Hugh Jackman would play a good snake in my personal opinion.

[masteratt]

I personally think Kevin Bacon is entirely too old to be playing a character like Raiden or let alone to be in the movie at all. Hugh Jackman would play a good snake in my personal opinion.

I'm not sure how well he'll play him but looks wise you can't get much closer I don't think.

[Coded-Dude]

gibson would be a pretty good big boss(for an older character)

also, orlando Bloom would make a pretty good Raiden.

[Otacon305]

Bale or Jackman as Snake. Absolutely no one else, unless it's some unknown who was born... no, cloned to play the part.

Snake-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Snake01.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Snake02.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Snake03.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Snake04.jpg

Bale-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Bale03.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Bale02.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Bale01.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Bale-Snake.jpg

Jackman-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Jackman05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Jackman04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Jackman02.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Jackman01.jpg

[Coded-Dude]

http://images.buddytv.com/battleimages/usr3668966/3668966_f1b6efe6-bb73-4938-8aa0-53b9455546b3-karl-urban-5280900.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/BlackDragonX/Snake02.jpg

why only bale or jackman....because they are well known action starts that can grow a beard?

[Otacon305]

No, because they're the only ones who could look, sound, and play the part well.

^That assclown isn't even close.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No, he's been in like one good movie, the rest, ass.
Kevin Bacon and Tom Cruise are both way to old to play Raiden. Get a no-name in his late 20s, no older than 35.

[Otacon305]

What about that queer from the Twilight movies? He'd make a good Raiden, yes?

[masteratt]

What about that queer from the Twilight movies? He'd make a good Raiden, yes?

haha! The main guy?!

http://www.foroswebgratis.com/imagenes_foros/1/3/6/2/9/721109Edward%20Cullen%203.jpg
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/annoyingg/raiden1.jpg
Maybe he'd make a good LOVER for Raiden but Raiden himself?....:shrug:

[curryking1]

Still Jackman all the way for me for Snake.

This doesn't have to do with my decision of Jackman over Bale, but I don't want Bale anywhere near Hideo Kojima.

I wonder what all of you thought of the MGS Philanthropy though? I haven't seen too many thoughts on it lol.

[masteratt]

I wonder what all of you thought of the MGS Philanthropy though? I haven't seen too many thoughts on it lol.
I tried to convert the movie (with the option to delete the source after conversion) to a PS3 compatible format and the conversion failed but now you reminded me to download it again :)

[curryking1]

Lol man, that sucks.

You guys gotta stop calling MGS2 Raiden gay! Lol! It's not his fault he has boyish good looks :cry2:

[Otacon305]

I started watching Philanthropy, but then I saw they started making up characters and taking liberties with the plot and I got turned off.

[curryking1]

Meh, just don't go into it without any expectations and you'll be left without something nice, even if it's not exactly what you wanted.

I wasn't sure if it was going to be canon or not when I watched either. They create a great fan's interpretation of the series, that's what I was looking for.

[Otacon305]

Go into something Metal Gear without expectations? Yeah, and then I'll dance naked on the surface of the sun.

I'm not looking for an "interpretation". I'm looking for the plot of the games in live action. Nothing more, and damn sure nothing less.

[dnpmakkah]

What about that queer from the Twilight movies? He'd make a good Raiden, yes?Is that guy really queer?

[CreativeWriter]

Go into something Metal Gear without expectations? Yeah, and then I'll dance naked on the surface of the sun.

I'm not looking for an "interpretation". I'm looking for the plot of the games in live action. Nothing more, and damn sure nothing less.

But... but... the games' plot is... bad?

/end blasphemy

Certainly, I'd like to take a giant red pen and start Xing crap out of the games' scripts. MGS3 is the best of them, but even it has absurd parts that I'd cut in favor of more "realistic" espionage bits. Man who shoots bees? Crotch-grabbing electric man? I know these are Japanese archetypes, but they're incongruent with the time/setting. Bee man in Dynasty Warriors = fine by me. Bee man in 20th century Russia = absurd or worse, silly.

I think the problem is rooted in the source material. The "Escape From" series is pretty campy/bad, and I'd choose other films for inspiration. For me, the series is at its best when it's essentially epic, sci-fi stealth--at its worst when it's pulpy, comic, conspiracy fiction. It should be more Dr. No and less Moonraker, if that makes sense.

I know you guys love it the way it is (because you've been fans of the series longer and have emotional investment in the IP), but I'm hoping for improvements to the plot in any screenplay that makes it to film. Just think about how horrible some of the plot bits might be on the big screen--how cheesy and B-movie-ish they might become in the hands of a second-rate director (someone willing to take on a videogame to movie conversion project).

[Coded-Dude]

you mean..............





































dare I say it..............................


































Uwe boll.


*runs away and hides*

[solidsnakejej]

It's good to know Kojima has already said Boll would have nothing to do with it. But yea the story would need to have a massive improvement because if not it probably wouldn't make it to far. The games plot line is all over the place, probably because Kojima was making it up with each game. I honestly can't think of a way to make the movie without some major revisions in the history to make it make more sense. I still like the MGS story but it's more suitable to games then movies.

also if you even believe that list is even close to real you really need to rethink the whole game movie thing. Don't expect many big stars if any.

[Otacon305]

CW, I'm all for revisions. There are some lines/moments that make me cringe just hearing/seeing them in the games. I can't imagine them in a serious film. So that stuff is cool. But adding/removing/changing characters or key plot elements? Fuck no. There are some things that just have to make the cut. Maybe a rat doesn't steal the PAL key, but do you really want to get rid of the C-box? If you do, well... eat shit, and die in a fire.

[Jay Gee]

haha! The main guy?!

http://www.foroswebgratis.com/imagenes_foros/1/3/6/2/9/721109Edward%20Cullen%203.jpg
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/annoyingg/raiden1.jpg
Maybe he'd make a good LOVER for Raiden but Raiden himself?....:shrug:
LOL Damn.

[Coded-Dude]

Orlando Bloom.

[Bsack]

Did the Metal Gear Solid 4 Trophy patch ever go through? I've been itching to get my Metal Gear fix.

[Luis]

They were teasing to something being announced sometime this year, but considering TGS has come and gone and that the focus is Peace Walker now, I don't expect it anymore. Maybe if they wanted to give MGO a last incentive before the community shifts onto other games...

[masteratt]

They were teasing to something being announced sometime this year, but considering TGS has come and gone and that the focus is Peace Walker now, I don't expect it anymore.

How sure are you of that?
Because like Bsack I want to play again now (even despite chapter installation) and after I start, if like mid-way thorugh a trophy update comes, it won't be good for you, VG :guns:

PS: Where is the 360 port? :laugh:
Fucking stupid "journalists".

[Freeman_JI]

I'm still waiting for my 360 port!

I'm liking the game so far basically been taking my time to soak everything up.

I'll own 3 MGS/R games on non sony platfoms though.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:8mW7sDyr7wWbeM:http://consolecreatures.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/game_mgs1.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:e6Kog3GC0dxyfM:http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/metal-gear-solid-twin-snakes-now-rare-collectible.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fO_A-AXd4-9bJM:http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00006IR3X.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

+ 1 MGS3 review copy not for sale version ;)

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:LqOVjSe7vGwh-M:http://www.play3.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mini-mgs4_eur_packshot_no_rating.jpg

Will own

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:f0Ul8ziz3AC_BM:http://www.stoth.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/2c9bc_eb693127-dc3a-495b-b175-00448e3f68e2.jpg

Is anyone getting rising or basically skipping for Peace Walker?

[Otacon305]

I'm not getting Peace Walker. My PSP is no more and Portable Ops left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Coded-Dude]

Portable Ops was produced by Hideo(written and directed by others). Peace Walker is written and directed by Hideo. So this will be the first official fully fledged MGS game for PSP. The story has me quite intrigued.

[Carlos]

I looooooves me some metal gear, so I'll definitely be checking out games that is worth my time.

I'm lookin' at Peace Walker, and maybe Rising.

[curryking1]

I'm not getting Peace Walker. My PSP is no more and Portable Ops left a bad taste in my mouth.


Portable Ops was produced by Hideo(written and directed by others). Peace Walker is written and directed by Hideo. So this will be the first official fully fledged MGS game for PSP. The story has me quite intrigued.

Sucks to be you, Otacon. ;)

[Otacon305]

Well maybe if they did the honorable thing and released console ports of these games (ala GTA Liberty City/Vice City Stories) somewhere down the line, it wouldn't suck quite so much.

[Luis]

I'm still waiting for my 360 port!Really? I wouldn't be hopeful anymore. Not that there ever was a chance.


Is anyone getting rising or basically skipping for Peace Walker?

More like the absolute contrary. The latest Peace Walker trailer feels like MGS5 (and it probably is, as it is a canonical game), and Rising is not only going to be a spin-off, but it won't have Hideo involved and I don't expect it before 2011 anyway. I don't care it's PSP, what I've seen of Peace Walker so far is making me more excited than MGS4 ever did. Also, I don't see the excitement behind Rising when nothing has been shown so far, only hinted at.


I'm not getting Peace Walker. My PSP is no more and Portable Ops left a bad taste in my mouth.

I do not want to spoil myself with the Peace Walker demo, but from what I've been reading both the gameplay and controls are a big step up from Portable Ops. Not that it was that bad before. Also, Portable Ops is canonical, which makes the storyline a must play. I really don't want to miss on Peace Walker, and that's considering I haven't touched my PSP since last year.


Well maybe if they did the honorable thing and released console ports of these games (ala GTA Liberty City/Vice City Stories) somewhere down the line, it wouldn't suck quite so much.

They aren't getting any PS2 ports simply because they wouldn't work just as well. Portable Ops is obviously designed as a portable game. And it never looks like any Kojima Productions game so far will get an afterwards port.

[Segitz]

Also, Peace Walker is designed to be a coop game... not much coop is gonna happen on PS2 either.

[cliffbo]

Also, Peace Walker is designed to be a coop game... not much coop is gonna happen on PS2 either.

have i read this wrong or is Peacewalker coming to PS2 too!!!???

[blackdrgn]

No, read further up the thread Cliffbo.


Well maybe if they did the honorable thing and released console ports of these games (ala GTA Liberty City/Vice City Stories) somewhere down the line, it wouldn't suck quite so much.

[AC!D]

Skip Peacewalker? YoU B CrAzY!!!!!

Skip Rising? YoU bE dUbbLE cRaZe!!!!

[Diresu]

Peace Walker I am getting for sure. Rising, I didn't have interest in the second it was obvious that Kojima has nothing, nor wants anything to do with it.

[Luis]

I'm not discarding Rising, but as of now it hardly even exists.

[SadPanda]

I'm not discarding Rising, but as of now it hardly even exists.

Oh have faith, I'm sure it will still beat FFXIIIs EU release.

[AC!D]

Kojima always says his not involved. 10 to 1 he is directing and producing both Rising and Peacewalker.

[Segitz]

I for one did like the Ac!d games (except the stories, which (when the twists happened) were like being kicked in the face) gameplaywise, but Ops was horrible. The story in itself was mediore and the gameplay was meh... but from what I've seen from the TGS demo, it seems to play rather well compared to Ops.

[AC!D]

I loved the MGS AC!D games. Im glad im not the only one. Verry underrated but like you say the stories did suck. It might have been a better idea to make the original two metal gear games with the AC!D style gameplay but i guess they didnt want to take the risk.

[Bsack]

I couldn't see how a Metal Gear fan could skip out on these games. They're still gonna be fun regardless don't let dumb reason spoil an experience for you guys.

[Segitz]

Oh, to me, this is no "dumb reason"... if MGS3 or 4 was would've been a Raiden game again, I wouldn't have bought them... I am a story gamer, and thus, if the protagonist doesn't interest me, the story won't either.

[curryking1]

I haven't touched either Acid game, or the Portable Ops title.

I plan to eventually play them for kicks, but not like I've played MGS1, MGS2, or MGS3... all of which I have gone through the experience multiple times and always finding and learning new things about the world.

I do plan to play Peace Walker, no if or but about it. I want to play it.

I am like Segitz.

I differ maybe a little in that I think that MGS2... playing Raiden was, I think, the most thoughtful and inspired hoodwink in gaming ever, and probably really high on any other more inclusive list. And I enjoyed playing as Raiden and that entire experience (the way the 'emulation' was introduced was just... wow... and how it ended with Raiden being figuratively 'birthed' at the end... amazing).

But I am the same in the way that I can't play Metal Gear without Big Boss or Snake or something which revolves around that story. It's their fight, not Raiden's. In MGS2 it was different because Raiden was a channel or vector that still brought forward the story that was, in the end we realize, entirely about Snake and Metal Gear and all the exact same concepts that Big Boss vs. Boss, Snake vs. Boss, and Snake vs. Liquid were about.

The thing is now you can't repeat MGS2 again. If you followed all of that, another Metal Gear which doesn't have Snake in it can't be like MGS2 because they can't achieve what MGS2 did again (considering what it was), and neither can it be like any other MGS.

[OmniStalgic]

Yep yep..MGS without a story around Snake is nonsense...Nothing else is necessary. It's a story driven game, if Hideo is not in on the story, I find myself less interesting. We'll see what Rising brings to the table though, Raiden may unsuck himself;) But for now, it's looking like a "make some money" title, and the producer's discouraging remarks about his involvement or dedication isn't helping. I didn't play God of War on PSP either for the same reason. If it doesn't capture you, it's not Metal Gear Solid, it's just another action game.

The series finds it's magic in the cut-scenes and gaming innuendos. I find it hard to believing that magic will be in rising, when the person who created is dissing it:shrug:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I love Raiden and everything he represents ---he was especially awesome in MGS4, so unless Rising is a bad game, I'll be getting that as well as Peace Walker.

[Freeman_JI]

I love Raiden and everything he represents ---he was especially awesome in MGS4, so unless Rising is a bad game, I'll be getting that as well as Peace Walker.

I dare say this will be my position however I didn't like portable ops even though I consider myself a big MGS fan. I hated the whole select your mission go into this generic environment, rise repeat over and over I just gave up on the thing, WTF where did my Linear MGS game go?!?

[OmniStalgic]

Meh, not for me, my favorite part of MGS2 was the beginning playing as Snake. While Raiden got more interesting in the later levels, and you see how this is all just a big repeat of Snake's mission, I still wanted to be snake.

Anyone can be cool in cut-scenes, I thought Raiden was pretty generic in MGS4 tbh...

The thought of a whole game starring him without some sneaky/amusing/unique Kojima twist? I dunno, just seems like it's gonna be made of blandness:shrug: I'll have to watch it carefully.

Raiden still wasn't as bad as Meryll and Johnny---that was just yucky. ughhh...could've left that whole thing out. Meryll still being in love with a dying Snake is much much better..

How did their relationship end? Does Snake still love her? Did they break up because Snake knew he was a goner? The Johnny thing was just lame...Doesn't matter that he looks like a blond, younger Snake either.

[Bsack]

Oh, to me, this is no "dumb reason"... if MGS3 or 4 was would've been a Raiden game again, I wouldn't have bought them... I am a story gamer, and thus, if the protagonist doesn't interest me, the story won't either.

Well if you can't have an open mind about another character then assume there isn't going to be a story? well you just will have to miss out on this experience. I don't really know what else to say..

I'm a story gamer as well, but I'm open to new directions.

[curryking1]

Bsack, it's not just black and white with open mind vs. closed mindedness.

There is some logic, which I personally think it's reasonable, behind thinking this. We're all using our heads to speculate what kinds of things can happen, no reason to imagine otherwise.

There's no doubt in my mind if a game we at first ignore that later becomes interesting... we would double back to get that experience. Everyone here is definitely open to the possibility of being wrong in the future, but there is still reason behind the thoughts we have today.

[Bsack]

I never said it was black and white curry, but he stated right off the bat that there won't be a story?

"if MGS3 or 4 was would've been a Raiden game again, I wouldn't have bought them... I am a story gamer, and thus, if the protagonist doesn't interest me, the story won't either" -Segitz

Is it just me or did he suggest MGS2 didn't have story? Hell even the AC!D games had story.

I'm just curious to whatever happened to just merely enjoying a video game for what it is. If it sucks then it sucks big deal there's more games out there, but at lest you gave it a shot instead of giving it the cold shoulder.

[Segitz]

I am saying I didn't like all about Raiden... he was an annoying character, who was cheated into the game (Tanker episode?).

The Raiden from MGS4 is not the Raiden we came to hate in MGS2.

And I didn't want to imply that MGS2 was a bad game, but I was disappointed in the story. I had NO interest in playing with the main character. This is worse than bad controls or anything else. This is why I will probably not like Rising... but we'll see

[AC!D]

No offence Bsack but you need to respect others opinions when it comes to what they like or dislike in videogames. I disagree with Segitz also. Hell i dont even like Solid Snake because he was a puppet for me and Naked Snake my personal favourite character in the series was more human being twisted by betrayal and trying to do whats right. I dont mind seeing a game with Raiden, The Boss, Ocelot or whom ever as long as the Koj is involved.

Back to my point. My point is if they dont like a MGS game with Raiden then thats their right. If they dont like FFXIII because it doesnt come with whatever features then thats their right. Why do you always get so upset when someone doesnt like a game you like? Hell i disagree with everything you said in the Uncharted 2 thread but hey thats your right im not gonna try and twist you arm.

Hell everyone thought i was mad when i kept on and on and on and on and on about how great Demon Souls would be and look now everyones loving it. Some ppl might not like Rising now but hey if its built and its great they will come around. I know it will be great and you know it will be great and eventually they will know it will be great!!!!

[curryking1]

I was going to say what Acid said... except a lot shorter lol. ;)

Never assume someone else is searching for the same thing you are in games. Everyone is looking for only what they want when they purchase games, and that's what they should be doing.

We can categorize however much we want and try to define what 'a good game' is and something which is worth anyone's time who belongs to some arbitrary definition of some group (people who like story in games), but in the end that never trumps the someone's preference which ultimately decides what they get or do not get.

And never underestimate how specific and complicated and personal someone's preference might be. Look how different our opinions about MGS2's Raiden are, it's incredible. Not that preferences can't also be simple.

Segitz, Acid, and I have all thought about this, for benefit of doubt, at least as much as you have. We're all going to come to our own conclusions about what we're going to like. It's the same reason I can't 'force' anyone to buy my favourite console because of my favourite game, or tell anyone to buy my favourite flavour of ice cream, because it's not up to me anyway. Like I said before and Acid just said... anytime a game shows us something we definitely want, whether that's sooner or later, we'll go looking for it.

And Acid brought up Demon's Souls, which is a great case for this argument. When I first saw screens and videos of this game (I still remember that rolling into debris on 1-1 lol), and my good friend saw screens earlier, we both though it would be something that wouldn't click with us at all. And today he has had the Asian version for months now and has played it to death (he's missing only 1 trophy apparently) and I've just started the game and I'm in love with it.

That's being open-minded, a willingness to 'correct' yourself. Anyway... short version... it's not a big deal if Segitz has this aversion to an MGS that doesn't have Snake. That's his choice and it doesn't stop anyone else from enjoying or not enjoying whatever.

OK, maybe not much shorter at all lol.

[Segitz]

I'd love to play a MGS game where you play Ocelot/Big Boss (more tactical perhaps). A sequel to Peacewalker for example, where you build up Outer Haven and have infiltrate the US government etc...

[curryking1]

Put it on PS3, and it's snatched up :D

[OmniStalgic]

I concur with the Rising sucking because of Raiden consensus. Until further notice, I think the story is gonna suck:shrug:

And I must be playing a different game, because Raiden was still the same Raiden in MGS4--he was just uber strong. His coolness was forced, and when you're half android, why the heck wouldn't you be more laid back and at ease?

Giving that boy too much credit, he's still a wuss, and he ruined MGS2:rant:

[Bsack]

No offence Bsack but you need to respect others opinions when it comes to what they like or dislike in videogames. I disagree with Segitz also. Hell i dont even like Solid Snake because he was a puppet for me and Naked Snake my personal favourite character in the series was more human being twisted by betrayal and trying to do whats right. I dont mind seeing a game with Raiden, The Boss, Ocelot or whom ever as long as the Koj is involved.

How did I show an ounce of disrespect for his opinion? I merely stated you can't just give up on the game well before it is released especially seeing it be a Metal Gear title. Personally I was just stating he should give it a chance and if that's your view of disrespecting an opinion well I'd love to see what a flame war is to you.

I liked Raiden a lot honestly because it gave us a different perspective and showed that Kojima could do it with another character as well in the Metal Gear atmosphere, but my favorite character by far is Naked Snake as well.


Back to my point. My point is if they dont like a MGS game with Raiden then thats their right. If they dont like FFXIII because it doesnt come with whatever features then thats their right. Why do you always get so upset when someone doesnt like a game you like? Hell i disagree with everything you said in the Uncharted 2 thread but hey thats your right im not gonna try and twist you arm.

I never said they didn't have the right to dislike Raiden, but I did say give it a freaking chance. I'm not even upset, so I don't understand where you guys (I'm assuming others as well) get the idea that I'm upset? What did I say that was negative in the Uncharted 2 thread other than the few complaints I've had with the multiplayer? If you've played a few MP titles they at least have a prone or the very least kneel option. How you can disagree with those points I can't even fathom it, but hey it's your opinion.


Hell everyone thought i was mad when i kept on and on and on and on and on about how great Demon Souls would be and look now everyones loving it. Some ppl might not like Rising now but hey if its built and its great they will come around. I know it will be great and you know it will be great and eventually they will know it will be great!!!!

Agreed and I didn't think you were mad on the whole Demon Souls title just a little crazy. :P

Oh and Segitz if you took my statements as if I was disrespecting your opinion I truly am sorry and I didn't mean for it to come off that way.

[curryking1]

Giving that boy too much credit, he's still a wuss, and he ruined MGS2:rant:

I'LL KILL YOU YA SUNNAVA****H!!

*rage rage rage!!!* :rant:

Lol. Why everybody gotta be a hater?! ;)

I didn't like MGS4 Raiden either, seemed so just 'placed' there like that lol.

But the action scenes were definitely pretty awesome.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

i Concur With The Rising Sucking Because Of Raiden Consensus. Until Further Notice, I Think The Story Is Gonna Suck:shrug:

And I Must Be Playing A Different Game, Because Raiden Was Still The Same Raiden In Mgs4--he Was Just Uber Strong. His Coolness Was Forced, And When You're Half Android, Why The Heck Wouldn't You Be More Laid Back And At Ease?

Giving That Boy Too Much Credit, He's Still A Wuss, And He Ruined Mgs2:rant:

I'LL KILL YOU WHERE YOU STAND! YOU DON'T KNOW DICK ABOUT JACK! /caps

[OmniStalgic]

hahhahahaahhah:lol:

I know Jack is a sweet-heart with a long blade;)

A little too sweet..:smirk:

I don't care what kind of Tramua he's been through...It's all about SnAKE!!!

[Luis]

Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker thread (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=92718&page=5)

Just so that more people get to see it. Remember it is a canonical Metal Gear game, set 10 years after MGS3, Big Boss is the main character and Otacon's father is in there as well. Some known voices are returning too.

[Coded-Dude]

Don't worry, we've got some coverage coming for Peace Walker.

[Luis]

I do worry. Peace Walker is MGS5 :cowboy:

[Kiwi]

KONAMI ANNOUNCES DETAILS FOR NEW METAL GEAR® ONLINE 24-HOUR SURVIVAL CHALLENGE

Players With The Longest Survival Time Over the Course of the Day Will Be Awarded the Most Reward Points and Rare In-Game Items

Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc. announced today the first details for METAL GEAR ONLINE 24-hour Survival Challenge which is open to all registered MGO players to enjoy over a 24-hour period. Players will be awarded Reward Points based on their team's winning streak. Players are not recommended to play for an extensive duration of time due to health risks.

The challenge will be held once a month for the next four months with the scheduled dates currently set for November 28, December 26, January 23, 2010, and February 27, 2010. Participants will need to log into the game during the 24-hour period and select to join a Survival lobby to participate in the challenge and the numbers will be capped at approximately 3,000 total players (exact number will be subject to server capacity). All participants will receive a specific in-game Regain® T-shirt while different levels of Reward Points will be given for each team's achievement. Players who participate in all the events and collect all four Regain® T-Shirts will receive the special Regain® Hat! Players do not need to play for the full 24-hour period to receive the prizing. To be eligible for the prizing players would need to log into the game and join a Survival game for the minimum of one round. The regularly scheduled Survival games for November 25, December 23, January 20, and February 24 will be canceled to prepare for the special 24-hour Survival events.

I particularly like this line.


Players are not recommended to play for an extensive duration of time due to health risks.

I'm sure people will listen to that advice.

[SadPanda]

I haven't put MGS in the tray .... in forever... but did we ever get Trophy support for the game?

[Luis]

Nope, and most likely never will. I just played it again this summer as I didn't think they would ever come.

[SadPanda]

Makes me a little sad that information does, oh well Hopefully after ACII, Demon Souls and some other games I'll get back to it next year lol

[Lucid Delusion]

Been a while since I've posted on this board or this thread for that matter. Good to see that the game and the series are still being discussed regularly. As for me, I'm finally taking the plunge this year and purchasing a PS3 thanks to the price drop(price is the main reason I hadn't gotten one before). Now I can finally experience the sweetness that is MGS4 first hand over the holiday season.

[Kiwi]

Welcome back to the forums. Stick around!

[AC!D]

Been a while since I've posted on this board or this thread for that matter. Good to see that the game and the series are still being discussed regularly. As for me, I'm finally taking the plunge this year and purchasing a PS3 thanks to the price drop(price is the main reason I hadn't gotten one before). Now I can finally experience the sweetness that is MGS4 first hand over the holiday season.

I envy you. Getting to experience inFAMOUS, Killzone 2, Uncharted 1 + 2, Demon's Soul's, Valkyria Chronicles, Ratchet, Flower, Wipeout, LBP and Metal Gear Solid just to name a few for the first time is a hell of thing.

[Otacon305]

Take it slow or your head might explode like a blood pumpkin full of dynamite.

[Lucid Delusion]

Well if I'm lucky the first games I'll be experiencing will be LBP and possibly the God of War collection or Ratchet and Clank. Hopefully the latter cause it's the Best Buy Black Friday deal and I've got a $50 gift card for BB for my birthday that'll help take the edge off money-wise.

[curryking1]

Starting a totally fresh file on Hard today...

I have no idea why I stopped playing this game. I can't figure it out. I must be that stupid...

I'm sort of glad it's been a while though, because the game feels new again... one way it's new because I got totally owned a few times, MGS4 skills are rusty :P

The other new feeling is that it feels awesome and fresh again, every bit of it. :)

Little nip about the really annoying jaggy shadows...

The thing that bothers me most is it's honestly the ONLY thing that looks ugly in this game (other than in a choice few areas there's too much flat and boxiness, but that's rarely an issue) all the other effects and post-processing are such high quality... from the character models, to backgrounds, to textures, to motion blur... everything is so sharp and great quality but the stupid shadows. And it's only sometimes they look terrible (when you can see lots of shadows at the same time)! Agghhh...

I hate that the shadows on the ground are done on the fly... it doesn't make sense... the ground never moves in this game... except for things like lockers and stuff... you only need the dynamic shadows to be calculated on the freaking characters but nooooooooo :/

Damn shadows! *shakes fist*

Congrats on the PS3 Lucid, awesome stuff.

I hope you enjoy MGS4 and any other games you fancy as much as we do :)

[Otacon305]

The fire sucked too.

[curryking1]

Oooohhh look at this lol...

Who is this? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0482851/filmotype) :naughty:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTczMzY0MDk2Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDY2NTIzMg@@._ V1._SX100_SY67_.jpg

He is quite accomplished outside the series lol.

The hint is... he gave quite a remarkable performance in MGS2, and his character only appears again in MGS4.

I just randomly caught his name in the credits of a show 'Castle.' Lol.

It's funny, if you watch credits closely you can always catch a lot of familiar names lol, a lot of these guys don't totally disappear often lol.

[Luis]

Yeah, he's quite a celebrity, at least an off the camera one. I've always been amazed at how versatile he can be, as I knew he voiced Samurai Jack and Hermes Conrad too.

As for Vamp, I think it's a lot more amazing that his appearance and moves are based on Spanish gypsy dancer Joaquín Cortés (http://mgstrilogia.iespana.es/Pelicula/joaquin_cortes.jpg) (even mentioned in The Document of MGS2).

[Luis]

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SH1hpVP1L._SS400_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/615mLXBY4pL._SS400_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X3MzvzS5L._SS400_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ldDLg9TuL._SS400_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uGR-Rs1pL._SS400_.jpg
MGS4 Master Art Works on December 28 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4797357258) in Japan.

[curryking1]

Nice art.

At first I thought it was an announcement of MGS4: Substance lol (I want my isometric camera view *sniff sniff*).

I always liked the first Meryl we saw in trailers from MGS4. She looks more like the Meryl from MGS1 and also like the art works. It seemed awkward that she was 'beautified' and all her features were smoothed out in the final version... like a composite face or something. :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

^^I need it in my life.

[solidsnakejej]

Since the old thread is expired I'll put it here

Metal gear movie no longer happening
http://www.collider.com/2010/01/10/producer-mike-de-luca-says-its-game-over-for-a-metal-gear-solid-movie/

[GTAce]

I knew it.

[Luis]

Expected.

[AC!D]

Honestly this is a good thing. If you try to make a movie that doesnt have that Kojima Japanese quirkiness it would suck to gamers and be too serious. If its not too serious then non gamers wont get the quirky Metal Gear way. This is for the best then id wager.

[Raijin]

Thx god!

[curryking1]

Hurray! :)

[Luis]

I couldn't imagine it being any good while keeping most fans and moviegoers happy. I'd rather let them focus on new games.

[Otacon305]

Fuck moviegoers. I still want a GOOD live-action MGS movie, adapted from the games. Not something just using the name and some of the characters. Not some CGI piece of shit. Ugh, fuck Hollywood.

[masteratt]

That's good about confirming lack of movie but what about TROPHIES?!

I wish they would just say "Yes" or "No" already...Sometimes I feel like starting again but I think "I'll wait until trophies to play through again" but I don't know if it's coming or not...

[Luis]

The last time they said something like "maybe", and that was around summer. Forget trophies.

[Z]

I am surprised they didn't re-release the game with extras like what they did with all the others. I thought it would happen and that trophies would be part of that.

[Luis]

Me too, I guess they never even considered it and they just started developing Rising. Peace Walker probably was at least one year in development too.

[GTAce]

I am surprised they didn't re-release the game with extras like what they did with all the others. I thought it would happen and that trophies would be part of that.

I wanted to buy that, thats why i never got MGS4 for myself. lol

[hybridofsteel]

I just beat the game a week ago. I haven't played UC2AT yet, but there is no way a game can be as cinematically sublime as MGS4. NO WAY. Final boss was breathtaking, 8 years of entertainment wrapped up into 10 minutes.

[Kiwi]

I saw some copies going for pretty cheap in Gamestation the other day, so I may try and give the game another go.

[cliffbo]

thought i'd just check how many it's sold so far:

week: 82
sold:17,814
Total:4,471,362

4 million for LBP by the way :)

[Newboi]

i Just Beat The Game A Week Ago. I Haven't Played Uc2at Yet, But There Is No Way A Game Can Be As Cinematically Sublime As Mgs4. No Way. Final Boss Was Breathtaking, 8 Years Of Entertainment Wrapped Up Into 10 Minutes.

Qft

[Jay Gee]

I just beat the game a week ago. I haven't played UC2AT yet, but there is no way a game can be as cinematically sublime as MGS4. NO WAY. Final boss was breathtaking, 8 years of entertainment wrapped up into 10 minutes.
I can only agree up to a point. As you said, we're dealing with a series we've enjoyed that spans over nearly a decade being played through in about 10-12 minutes. The impact of that, returning to "that place" and the robot showdown can't be beat. But in terms of being cinimatcially sublime while actually having control of the character, Uncharted 2 has no peer.

[Diresu]

This is one of those rare times when something being canceled is a very very good thing.

[julps31]

I just beat the game a week ago. I haven't played UC2AT yet, but there is no way a game can be as cinematically sublime as MGS4. NO WAY. Final boss was breathtaking, 8 years of entertainment wrapped up into 10 minutes.Yea I beat the game late December, Early Janurary (can't remember exactly when) but I absolutely LOVED it. So many bad ass moments and not to mention great graphics. Definately one of my fav games of all time. :cool:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Agree or Disagree, this is amusing. :laughs:
http://random-domain.com/comics/comics/00000037.jpg

[julps31]

Haha... I LOL'ed.

[JasonXe]

tf2 ftw!!

[Luis]

lolol

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If anyone could get the drop on Snake, it'd have to be Batman, but even then, it's a stretch. :shifty1:

[Segitz]

Meh... noone can sneak up on Snake... only a Mk. II controlled by Otacon :D

[Luis]

Only because it's Solid Snake, and he's suffering from premature old age. Big Boss, however...

[AC!D]

Nah you see old Snake is actually Agent 47 in disguise. Snake would never be caught out like that :)

[SadPanda]

Nah you see old Snake is actually Agent 47 in disguise. Snake would never be caught out like that :)

nah, Agent 47 is the first dude getting taken out.

[AC!D]

Who is the fiirst dude anyway Desmond?

Oh and i didnt realize but Agent 47 is actually the last guy getting strangled by Batman cause he is wearing a mask and the vintage Agent 47 black gloves :lol:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Pretty sure the first guy is just a peasant.

[cliffbo]

just noticed an article that said that MGS4 saw a spike in sales in Japan after the Slim and the price drop so i thought i'd check out how many copies it had sold worldwide... and Christ, i didn't know it had sold this many:

week: 84
sold: 15,982
Overall: 4,502,811

[Jay Gee]

I lol'd, but had it been The Boss, Batman's ass would've been grass.

[cliffbo]

OFFICIAL EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP FOR METAL GEAR SOLID 4
Better get those codecs together.

Posted by None None on Feb 16, 2010 07:51 (6 hours ago)
Konami has announced for a six-versus-six MGS4 tournament to be held beginning on February 26th. There will be eight stages and each stage will have eight teams. Eight of the best teams will then play in elimination matches until one team wins.

First prize will include MGS4 Edition Astro Audio systems for each member of the winning team while second prize will include the Astro Gaming Backpack Scouts and third place will include an Astro Gaming Bag "Mission". All participants will get reward points redeemable at the MGO store.

The tournament will begin at 7pm UTC with preliminary rounds going on over a few days. To register, go to mgo4euro.my-liga.com/.

http://meodia.com/news/666/official-europeans-championship-for-metal-gear-solid-4/

[D3adcell]

Oh and i didnt realize but Agent 47 is actually the last guy getting strangled by Batman cause he is wearing a mask and the vintage Agent 47 black gloves :lol:

The last guy is the spy from team fortress 2.

[Gegenki]

I knew I should have kept playing MGS online. But to be fair there was practically no-one online.
If they have 8 teams of 6 they may just get everyone whos still playing it into the tournament

[cliffbo]

could this be coming to the console?


Metal Gear Arcade Is In 3D, Played A With Head Tracking Controller

By Spencer . February 18, 2010 . 1:49am

http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/image341.png

As announced at E3 last year, Metal Gear Arcade is a retooled version of Metal Gear Online…

… played with 3D glasses. The news came out today, right before AOU 2010 where Metal Gear Arcade will be playable for the first time. The goggles have a secondary function, they’re actually a head controller. Any Metal Gear Arcade player can control screen scrolling just by turning their head.

Metal Gear Arcade is a team shooter offline and online. That’s right you can connect to remote Metal Gear Arcade cabinets and communicate with others via voice chat.

http://www.siliconera.com/postgallery/?p_gal=61642|0

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The same guys who did the formal analysis of MGS2 have done so with MGS4! I never realized.
http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS4/index.htm

[TEEDA]

Just got back from an Press event about an art expo featuring " the art of Metal Gear Solid.
With a dozen of original drawings and arts from Yoji shinkawa and signed by Yoji himself and Kojima.
There are hundreds of those arts being sold for 85 € each in a dozen of retail stores.
They are really beautiful.

Here are two of them for you guys, I can't share everything though.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5810/imga0056.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4498/imga0034c.jpg

[AC!D]

Really Nice!!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I hope we get to see Metal Gear Rising at E3.

[Z]

Only if it will be releasing within the next year of the announcement. I don't want to wait as long as I did for MGS4...
Or MGS2 for that matter...

[Diresu]

Only if it will be releasing within the next year of the announcement. I don't want to wait as long as I did for MGS4...
Or MGS2 for that matter...

I think anyone expecting that sort of quality out of Rising will be sorely disappointed.

[Bsack]

I personally can't wait for Rising. I won't be playing it for the visual prowess, but more for the story and gameplay. That's how I roll.

[Diresu]

I personally can't wait for Rising. I won't be playing it for the visual prowess, but more for the story and gameplay. That's how I roll.

We don't know anything about either of those though.

[Bsack]

it's a Metal Gear game of course there's gonna be story. What do you expect a pinball game? I'm only joking of course. On the graphics portion of my comment well it's gonna be multiplatform, so I'm not expecting MGS4 type graphcis at all, but something close to FF13 possibly? I thought that game was pretty gorgeous.

[Diresu]

it's a Metal Gear game of course there's gonna be story. What do you expect a pinball game? I'm only joking of course. On the graphics portion of my comment well it's gonna be multiplatform, so I'm not expecting MGS4 type graphcis at all, but something close to FF13 possibly? I thought that game was pretty gorgeous.

Story - No kojima involvement...so I am skeptical
Graphics - Not a major thing for me so no idea
Gameplay - If you play as Raiden, doubt it will be typical MGS gameplay

I don't know. Too many unknowns for me to excited for this game...and no Hideo is a major dealbreaker for me.

[Bsack]

meh it is what it is I just enjoy gaming. :)

[Diresu]

meh it is what it is I just enjoy gaming. :)

Well if it's a good game I am right there with you. I am just going in with some reservations till we see what it actually is.

[Bsack]

That's the beauty of gamefly for me, but don't get me wrong I understand your stance on it and there is reason to have doubt about it.

[Diresu]

That's the beauty of gamefly for me, but don't get me wrong I understand your stance on it and there is reason to have doubt about it.

Haha, amen! GameFly for the win, for sure. I got SC: Double Agent in now and it's such a perfect example of why gamefly is awesome because i'd never ever in a million years buy that game.

[Luis]

I recently saw a gameplay video of Splinter Cell: DA and I'm amazed that MGS4 got so much criticism for the mandatory installs when in DA you literally couldn't play for a couple of minutes without a loading pause, completely breaking any fun. Even though I didn't seem to sense any from the footage I saw.

I guess people only complain about the good games.

[Diresu]

I recently saw a gameplay video of Splinter Cell: DA and I'm amazed that MGS4 got so much criticism for the mandatory installs when in DA you literally couldn't play for a couple of minutes without a loading pause, completely breaking any fun. Even though I didn't seem to sense any from the footage I saw.

I guess people only complain about the good games.

Wow. That's pretty bad. Well, i tried every SC game so far...and lasted about 30 min before sending it back. Time to see if SC:DA changes the trend.

[Z]

I recently saw a gameplay video of Splinter Cell: DA and I'm amazed that MGS4 got so much criticism for the mandatory installs when in DA you literally couldn't play for a couple of minutes without a loading pause, completely breaking any fun. Even though I didn't seem to sense any from the footage I saw.

I guess people only complain about the good games.
I don't know if the majority agrees with me, but personally, I didn't mind the installed. What really pissed me off is that I have to re-install those parts EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I played the game. It made revisiting the best parts inaccessible. I made a new save on every corner so I could go back and play every single cool moment without a lot of backtracking or re-playing, but no, I can't do that as I have to re-install 20 minutes worth of data just because I loaded a save that happened to be on a different chapter. Fuck that shit! It stopped me from replaying a game I really liked!


I think anyone expecting that sort of quality out of Rising will be sorely disappointed.
It isn't quality that will annoy me, it is the long wait, because if the game doesn't look good, then I will scrap it from my mind and forget about it. But if I wanted it, I don't want to wait YEARS for it to come out like I had to do with 2 and 4. It is enough that the FF franchise does that while simultaneously going down the drain in relation with how longer the wait is...

[Luis]

I don't know if the majority agrees with me, but personally, I didn't mind the installed. What really pissed me off is that I have to re-install those parts EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I played the game. It made revisiting the best parts inaccessible. I made a new save on every corner so I could go back and play every single cool moment without a lot of backtracking or re-playing, but no, I can't do that as I have to re-install 20 minutes worth of data just because I loaded a save that happened to be on a different chapter. Fuck that shit! It stopped me from replaying a game I really liked!

In the second playthrough the installs are a lot shorter than the first time though. I really don't know where you get this "20 minutes" thing, it is between 1 and 3 minutes for any act.

In any case they should have developed an streaming engine, considering other PS3 games load so seamlessly and are a lot more faster paced and more detailed than MGS4.

[Luis]

http://i49.tinypic.com/156rcco.jpg

lolol

[Segitz]

He should've worn an Eyepatch^^

[masteratt]

http://i49.tinypic.com/156rcco.jpg

lolol

hahaha, omfg epic.

[Z]

Big Boss has been working out. He looks fit. :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Saw this last night. :eek:

[Diresu]

^Damn that is awesome

[cliffbo]

Metal Gear Online Updated

Konami continue to support Metal Gear Solid 4, and whilst they have still not given us a trophy patch, they have updated Metal Gear Online today to fix some issues.

Several bug fixes have been made to make sure the matches start properly, and some minor improvements have also been made. Character speed has been increased, and changes have been made to the way some skills are implemented among other things.

Also, a new auto-kick feature has been implemented for players that have been idle for a long time.

http://www.ps3center.net//news/5008/metal-gear-online-updated/

[Luis]

Wow, they still support MGO.

[masteratt]

MGS4: Super Edition please!!!!
Or at least Trophy support!

The damn bump made me think one of those two were on the way :rant:
(I guess i still have hope to believe that)

[Luis]

Kojima did say a few months ago that he would like someone else to add trophies and 3D to MGS4. He said he can't get around to doing it himself, because he'd rather focus on new projects.

[solidsnakejej]

Slightly off-topic

I'm jealousy of Kojima (http://twitter.com/#!/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/35150298750124032)


Jehuty and Anubis I have at my hide-out.
http://i.imgur.com/QrjzT.jpg

I want them so badly.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Are those for sale anywhere???

[solidsnakejej]

Not till April,
http://nerdreactor.com/2011/01/20/zone-of-the-enders-revoltech-coming-april/

Kojima been teasing these models on his twitter for weeks.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/234096175.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297222635&Signature=TMBA4%2FxUzcqCo8tXfHlQWHMT3Tk%3D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/234110660.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297222810&Signature=xm0CfNX47GmY8nyNIj9W%2FH%2FleVg%3D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/234096175.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297222836&Signature=M8nhyh5ps6HJ3eGZpbpWpJFThRM%3D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/234096399.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297222885&Signature=wZfr3l3NidpYwzywR8Sj3uR346I%3D

[Segitz]

Why do those robots have a penis?

[Otacon305]

You look at those robots' penises and ask "why?" I look at those robots' penises and ask "why not?"

[solidsnakejej]

Well they are "cock"pits.

[TEEDA]

Konami Ask For Feedback For Next MGS

http://www.facebook.com/konami?v=app_10442206389
(If you select peace walkjer in one of the choices you have dozens of questions regarding peace walker like things you liked, ) and which plateform you want a next MGS to be played on

[Otacon305]

Haha, I told them I was sick of half-assed PSP/phone games, and that if they're going to make anymore, they need to be available on PSN and playable on the PS3.

[AC!D]

Haha, I told them I was sick of half-assed PSP/phone games, and that if they're going to make anymore, they need to be available on PSN and playable on the PS3.

There was nothing half assed about MGS Peace Walker on PSP. It was a fantastic game and only your opinion about the game is half assed if you ask me!

[masteratt]

Yeah I heard nothing but good things of Peace Walker (minus controls but that is PSP's problem).

I told "them" (I hope someone valuable gets these one way or another) to make 'MGS4: Super Edition' with one-time install instead of chapter-based installs (Noted that I didn't care if it took 2 hours to do it one time) and Trophy support.

Also it's 'funny' how the first option for the reason to not play Peace Walker is "I do not have the hardware (PSP)", I think they knew. Bit of a redundant question that was.

[Otacon305]

There was nothing half assed about MGS Peace Walker on PSP. It was a fantastic game and only your opinion about the game is half assed if you ask me!

The idea of Metal Gear games on the PSP is like a wedding in Vegas. Sure, it's smaller and less expensive, but no matter how happy you are together, it wasn't as good as it could have been from the get go.

[AC!D]

The idea of Metal Gear games on the PSP is like a wedding in Vegas. Sure, it's smaller and less expensive, but no matter how happy you are together, it wasn't as good as it could have been from the get go.

By that reasoning then MGS4 sucks because it wasnt created on high end PC's like Crysis. You take what you get from one of the greatest studios in the world. Its not as if they arent making PS3 games so i see no reason for them to not cash in on games with smaller budgets like Peace Walker in the meantime to keep the income streaming in over the longer HD develpment cycles. Its not as if the games are bad. Frankly ive been asking myself whether ive enjoyed MGS4 or Peace Walker more since i played both and i still cant answer my own question conclusively. I hope he makes NGP games also between the probably even longer next gen cycles.

[Segitz]

Well, I do agree that the experience on the PSP is very subpar, especially compared to MGS4... the game was still good, but I also do think that it would've been better on PS3.

[Diresu]

Well, I do agree that the experience on the PSP is very subpar, especially compared to MGS4... the game was still good, but I also do think that it would've been better on PS3.

Better, sure...but to call Peace Walker half assed is ignorant.

[Otacon305]

I wasn't calling the game half-assed. I was calling the notion to put it on the PSP and ONLY the PSP half-assed. And stupid. And cruel.

[Diresu]

I wasn't calling the game half-assed. I was calling the notion to put it on the PSP and ONLY the PSP half-assed. And stupid. And cruel.

Meh, you know it's coming to PSN at some point.

[Luis]

Peace Walker could have been amazing on PS3, but it was very fine on PSP. Somehow, the kind of gameplay and the way it develops its storyline and whatnot is tailored around PSP, even if the hardware falls a bit short.

[Otacon305]

What's wrong with MGS's animation?

EDIT: I love how Kojima was asking the same question I have been: "I'm very interested in how the game was put together, like at what point do you get controlled by the AI, and when do you get control."

[Gribble-Grunger]

What's wrong with MGS's animation?

EDIT: I love how Kojima was asking the same question I have been: "I'm very interested in how the game was put together, like at what point do you get controlled by the AI, and when do you get control."

oh come on. I love MGS but the animations pale into insignificance alongside The Last Of Us. it's not even debatable. it seems you are determined to convince yourself and other people that Naughty dog and those that have actually witnessed the game are lying

[Otacon305]

I didn't say anything about LoU's animations. I was simply asking what's wrong with MGS's. Calm the fuck down.

[Gribble-Grunger]

I didn't say anything about LoU's animations. I was simply asking what's wrong with MGS's. Calm the fuck down.

'calm the fuck down'? i think it's probably clear to anybody that it's you that should do that :)

[Otacon305]

Clear to anyone who may be misinterpreting my tone, prior to being antagonized.

[Gribble-Grunger]

Clear to anyone who may be misinterpreting my tone, prior to being antagonized.

ok, fair enough. i just don't think that MGS animations are anything special. the games are brilliant though

[Otacon305]

I think they're at least above the norm, even now, 4 years after MGS4.

[Gribble-Grunger]

What's wrong with MGS's animation?

EDIT: I love how Kojima was asking the same question I have been: "I'm very interested in how the game was put together, like at what point do you get controlled by the AI, and when do you get control."

that edit is what made me think you were comparing MGS animations to TLOU

[AC!D]

I dunno for me enemies and even Snake feels a bit robotic at times. I guess ive been spoilt by Uncharted and Assassins Creed. Even the enemy when they patrol or search for you during an alert feels robotic and stiff. Hell even Kratos looks stiff in GOW 3 now if you watch the new GOW Ascension gameplay trailer and compare.

As for losing control in TLOU it should be obvious. You never ever give up control in Uncharted except in talky talky cut scenes. All action happens in game while you are controlling the character. I guess if you want to be nit picky you can say the new melee system in Uncharted 3 is a bit more QTE like and less Yakuza like but i dont feel that way because the world is still reacting around you and you have a choice of whether to use a regular punch or the environmental objects near you like the tables in the bar in Uncharted 3. Still it was a bit too basic for me. But it had that laser effect Koj is interested in that streams tons of different animations depending on where or what you are near in the environment e.g smash a characters face against the wall if near a wall etc. This is what interests Kojima. Im guessing he wants to learn how Naughty Dog gets a car chase scene completely playable while Kojima normally does it on rails in his games.

Like i said two of the best learning from each other. Nothing wrong with that. TLOU feels a lot more Metal Gear like to me than Uncharted with the backpack and stealth, Still TLOU are going for different experiences. Uncharted is all out action adventure while TLOU is all about tense and brutal survival.

[Segitz]

Well... MGS4 is now hundreds of years old, by computer standards. For as good as Uncharted (1) looked like, even that looks bad compared to the likes of GTA4 or Uncharted 3 now.

[Bliss]

I think they're at least above the norm, even now, 4 years after MGS4.

Though I loved MGS4, it was a mix of old and new; animations are robotic sometime, old generation, and graphics also can be beautiful in some levels and just average/good in other levels. The same for the AI, good in some parts, and "odd/broken" now and then.

[julps31]

Though I loved MGS4, it was a mix of old and new; animations are robotic sometime, old generation, and graphics also can be beautiful in some levels and just average/good in other levels. The same for the AI, good in some parts, and "odd/broken" now and then.Eh I still think MGS4 is one of the best looking PS3 games. Maybe the animations leave something to be desired compared to recent games but it's still one of the most impressive games in terms of presentation and graphics if you ask me.

[Otacon305]

Amen to that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

damn right.

[Luis]

Speaking of MGS4, they're shutting down Metal Gear Online today, as well as related services.

[Segitz]

Well... took them long enough^^ I've played it like once. The "login process" of all was so horrible.

[AC!D]

Calm down children. No one is saying MGS4 is ugly. It seems MGS is perfect and we only ever save ridiculous levels of scrutiny for Naughty Dog games. Oh the hypocrisy. Segitz that breaks down every single game to the last pixel defending MGS4 almost like theres no room for improvement. Otacon scrutinizing how much control Naughty Dog gives you in Uncharted but defends MGS4even though more than half the game is unplayable. I knew i would bring out the hypocrisy in spades but its still damn funny to watch. :)

[Segitz]

Am I really doing that? I didn't even really participate in this discussion here^^

[AC!D]

I said im glad he is learning from devs like Naughty Dog so he can improve some aspects of MGS4 that are dated. You jumped straight to the 5 year old game defence. His next game wont be 5 years old so there better not be dated AI, animation, unplayable action cut scenes and 5 GB installs before every chapter.

[Segitz]

Na, the thing is... comparing the two isn't really workable. It wasn't really intended to be a defense of MGS4, either. Ah well. And you are grossly representing MGS here^^

Doesn't matter, though. I just hope that TLOU won't suffer "bullet sponges" again. That's my most hated problem with Uncharted (the series). Though, since I've gotten better at the game (through repetition), it's less of a problem for me now.

[AC!D]

Im not grossly representing MGS. MGS3 is probably my favourite game ever. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. The way you all jumped on Bliss was hilarious. My implication that the mighty Koj could learn something from Naughty Dog also seemed to offend some ppl :lol:

[Bliss]

Im not grossly representing MGS. MGS3 is probably my favourite game ever. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. The way you all jumped on Bliss was hilarious. My implication that the mighty Koj could learn something from Naughty Dog also seemed to offend some ppl :lol:

Everybody is free to express his own opinion, but it might happen that the fanaticism for a Game leads you to a distorted view of reality.
MGS4 is a great game, I loved it, but it's far from 'perfect', and some animations are really old generation. It was a beautiful mix of OLD and NEW, and again, the graphics of some levels was beautiful, in other levels just good. Impressive for a 2008 game in many parts, now things are different.
My 2 cents.

[GTAce]

I agree with you Bliss.
I disliked some of the bashing MGS4 got for its graphics back then, because it looks very good, but a lot of parts are, like in most Japanese games this generation, flawed. Animations, geometry and texture resolution are often not on-par with the better looking games this gen.

Still a fantastic title of course.

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And btw. I loved MGO, Konami just ruined it with their stupid account workaround, a PSN ID would've been enough, just like in every other god damn game.
The gameplay was fantastic though.

[solidsnakejej]

To get on the MGS4 hate, fuck the loading screens, the one reason I have only went through it once.

I wish a western developer picked up MGO and did the same type of gameplay just with better back end to stop cheaters get rid of the stupid shit that is in it. I love MGO but Japanese developers suck at multiplayer games.

[Segitz]

Im not grossly representing MGS. MGS3 is probably my favourite game ever. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. The way you all jumped on Bliss was hilarious. My implication that the mighty Koj could learn something from Naughty Dog also seemed to offend some ppl :lol:

Well... for one thing the "5GB installation for each chapter" is plain wrong. It's 4GB once and 1GB per chapter... that was what I was trying to say with grossly misrepresenting...

[OmniStalgic]

Im not grossly representing MGS. MGS3 is probably my favourite game ever. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. The way you all jumped on Bliss was hilarious. My implication that the mighty Koj could learn something from Naughty Dog also seemed to offend some ppl :lol:along with Bliss, I think it's the love of the franchise, as well as the fact that MGS doesn't come out every 2 years. There's already been 3 Uncharted games vs. 4 MGS titles that spread across 3 platforms. The gameplay variety in MGS series are really amazing, boss battles are still some of the best of all time, and IMO a more more memorable cast and story than Uncharted, although Uncharted has taken dialog and set-pieces to a whole new level.

Maybe fans aren't as scrutinizing for MGS, but its likely less to do with hypocrisy, and more to do with this line of reasoning; "I just played an Uncharted game last year, why is this any better". When you play a franchise so close together, I think you are automatically more critical.

Perhaps it also falls into the same realm of reviewers giving games perfect scores of 10/10. A game will never be perfect, but it's the sum of it's parts and lasting impression that usually gets them that score. And I think perhaps universally with PS fans, and particularly on these forums, MGS is held to a higher esteem because of its lasting impression. Although I will admit, playing Uncharted for the first time was pretty amazing. Many site part 2 as there favorite, but just like with the Gow franchise, I felt Uncharted has the best pacing. Couldn't put the game down from start to finish. But do I remember it like the first or 3rd Metal Gear? Not really. MGS4's best parts IMO are when it pays homage to previous games. And I appreciated what it did with cut-scenes and such, but definitely didn't really care for the old dying snake vibe of the title in the least -_-

Still waiting for a MGS5 on PS3 with Zanzibar and Outer Haven...

[AC!D]

Segitz You might be right. I cant remember the exact install sizes. They were long and irritating though and thats not in dispute. I have a sudden urge to play MGS4 again now.

[Pro A.]

If I were to guess, I'd say MGS5 will take place in Africa (where the original Metal Gear took place; South Africa if you want to be more precise), but it will take place during the late eighties/early nineties. The purpose of said story would be to show Big Boss formenting his plans for armed revolution against Big Boss and it should also deal with Gray Fox and Solidus, if possible. In the end, though, the purpose of the story will be to show that final catalyst that sent Big Boss over the edge in his war against the Patriots. Yeah, the hints have always been there, but I imagine something leading up to the Outer Heaven uprising must have broken his spirit. I couldn't begin to guess what that would be, but in terms of a dramatic arc it would make sense.

Sure, you could remake the first two Metal Gears, but what would be the point? If Kojima wanted to make them like the others we would be spending MORE time, I think, focusing on Big Boss and the motives for his insurrection and stuff with Gray Fox, too. Not that that wouldn't be interesting, but it would leave us, I think, with an extremely schizophrenic game with no momentum as far as character arcs are concerned (I have similar worries about Resident Evil 6).