Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[FantasyGhost]

MGS4 has '90 minute' cut-scenes

Mag plays reveal full length of Kojima's EPIC Metal Gear 4

We know the Metal Gear Solid series is famous for its long cut-scenes, but this tops everything! Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark.

For those troubled with time keeping, that's the length of a feature film.

The news comes from PSW magazine, who's been and finished MGS4, and then promptly whispered in our ears about the shocking 90-minute cut-scenes. The latest issue hits newsstands today, by the way.

We were expecting long story sequences (MGS2 approached the 45 minute mark in one) but an hour and a half of cinematics was unexpected.

The good news is that you can now skip or pause the scenes. Hands up though, how many of you are actually going to sit through the full 90 minutes?

"MGS4's story is massive. The videogame equivalent of all three Godfather movies on one disc," says the mag.

"As you'd expect, you'll spend a lot of time watching cut-scenes, so if you found previous games' story exposition laborious, then you'd better find yourself a nice cushion and plenty of teabags in readiness for MGS4's.

"They can be skipped, but you'll be missing out on some of the finely crafted examples of FMV footage anywhere in gaming," the article boldly proclaims.

Issue 108 of PSW is on sale now.http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189543

4.5GB minimum install!!??
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2396/2514284140_256956e4ee_b.jpg


The dutch edition of the official playstation magazine just published there review in the newest issue.

They gave it a 96 (same they gave to GTA4, I don't think any other PS3 game got that yet).
Graphics: 18/20
Music/Sound: 20/20
Gameplay: 58/60

Positive points: Worthy finale of the series, perfect camera, controls and sound, epic storyline, weapons
Negative points: Graphics could be a bit better, story too complex for people who are not into the series

Stuff I found interesting (maybe spoilers in here):

- You can play music on the portable mp3 player snake has from the PS3's hard disc.
- They couldn't say anything about the story we didn't know yet (had to sign a paper), but they said that you should get the game already just for the story.
- Through the game, Snake acts like a soldier who welcomes death. He has a 'death wish'.
- They ended their first playthrough with 300 kills.
- The bossfight against octopus takes place in a South American laboratory. She can disguise herself as several objects and figures.
- They discribe Raging Raven as a human bomber who constantly takes away your strategical advantages by destroying your places to hide.
- Crying Wolf is very fast and has a rail gun that can shoot snake to a pile of ash really quick.
- Besides the B&B unit, there is also the chance to finally finish of some very hard to defeat enemies from the previous games.
- Cutscenes are amazing, they especially mention the ending epilogue which is (litteraly translated) brainbreaking.
- After the first playthrough, some new goodies and new but extremely expensive parts become available in Drebin's shop.
- There is again a return of several special gameplay and story aspects from the previous games. They especially occur during the return to Shadow Moses Island.
- Completely original, but not a 100% perfect, is actually only Snake's mission in an unnamed Eastern Europe country.
- The story goes about a choise between the systematical 'force to' (couldn't find a better word to translate this (opleggen)) order or to keep the free will in every individual citizen or soldier.
- They think MGS4 is a bullseye as a game. GTAIV may have a longer playability, Assassins Creed may have better graphics but on many aspects MGS4 is coming out. The suspens of the story, the perfect controls, the amazing sound directions and of course the emotion, it's hard to find all this in one game.
- The biggest power of the game is the biggest negative point, if you liked the long, complex story of the previous MGS's, you will love MGS4. But if you didn't like it, you won't like MGS4 purely as an action game (there are better games for that).

Closing Comment: The most important thing we can say about MGS4 is that we would have peace with it if this would be the final chapter of the series. For a game that had to carry so many expectations, that seems the biggest compliment too us. An emotional, intense, and worthy closure, especially for the real fans. R.I.P.

Phew, that was it. Maybe I'll post some scans if anyone is interested. Don't have a scanner here at the moment...http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27887&start=0

Stolen from Neogaf; click pic.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5851/file0658do2.jpg (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299577)


Konami's Hideo Kojima and Artist Yoji Shinkawa Meet Fans at HMV Oxford Street (PS3)
The minds behind MGS make a public appearance in London.

WHAT: Signing session

WHERE: HMV London, 150 Oxford Street W1

WHEN: Monday 2nd June at 12 noon

Fans of the game 'Metal Gear Solid' will have the chance to meet the creator Hideo Kojima and lead artist for the series, Yoji Shinkawa, when they visit HMV's flagship Oxford Street store in London's West End on Monday 2nd June.

Hideo and Yoji will be at the store from 12 noon to meet games fans and sign pre-release HMV exclusive sleeves of 'Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots'*.

The 'Metal Gear Solid' series is the brainchild of Hideo Kojima and his Kojima Productions team, and is published by Konami. Mixing stealth and action elements, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots tells the final tale of series hero Solid Snake. Set in the near future where armies are run by huge business conglomerates and where soldiers are mere figures on a balance sheet, Snake is called upon for one final mission: eliminate his old adversary, Liquid Snake. So begins one of the most detailed and cinematic games for any format, as Kojima Productions unveil a twisting tale of heroism and conclusions, set within a beautifully realised 3D world that truly shows what the PlayStation 3 can do.

*Please note that due to time constraints access to meet Mr. Kojima and Mr. Shinkawa will be strictly limited. 300 sleeves will be available from the store on the day of the event from 9.00am.

Access to the queue will be limited to customers with the exclusive sleeve only. Sleeves will be issued upon a £5 deposit being made to pre-order Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots at HMV. One sleeve per customer only, on a first-come-first-served basis, subject to availability.http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/metal-gear-solid-4/876303p1.html

[Raitei]

Ingame Soundtrack

[FantasyGhost]

MGS 4 trailer with Don LaFontaine voice over

TleuuWpbHEw

[Raitei]

Kojima will be in london on the second of june.
you need to have a game sleeve to meet him apparently (only 300)

[OmniStalgic]

The announcer was talking entirely too much in that trailer. The ending was cool though, felt just like a movie trailer...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The announcer was talking entirely too much in that trailer. The ending was cool though, felt just like a movie trailer...

What? I couldn't disagree more. He is THE movie trailer guy, and that's how it's done. Hmph!

And: WHY GOD WHY COULDN'T I LIVE IN NEW YORK??!?!?!

[Diresu]

That was an awesome video.

[Smokey]

ill be watchin all cutscenes. its what makes MGS... MGS

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Fuck right. I don't give a damn.

[Diresu]

^I like long cut scenes, deeper story. Loved it in Xenosaga, no reason to not love it for MGS.

[fortieTHief]

the cut scene is the "fulcro" of the MGS saga,is an experiences more personally.

[Raitei]

apparently the 90 mins was 'exagurated'

[Goki]

I can't visit this thread anymore, damn i skimmed through fantasy ghosts post a few pages back i happend to read one line dammit it was awesome yet i would have loved to find that out while playing the game (its regarding the bos fight for those of u u did read his post a few pages back. dayum!

[Media]

I never got what gamers had against cutscenes. I feel like I play games to earn cutscenes, sometimes. Especially those of the MGS caliber.

[Media]

And oh shit! I'm going to Times Square that day!

[Jay Gee]

And: WHY GOD WHY COULDN'T I LIVE IN NEW YORK??!?!?!
Dit-FUCKING-to.

[Sephiroth_VII]

The good news is that you can now skip or pause the scenes. Hands up though, how many of you are actually going to sit through the full 90 minutes?

*Raises hand*

What a bloody stupid question...

[Sephiroth_VII]

ZOE1, sure. ZOE2 was pure greatness, win, perfection, etc, etc. :-p

[masteratt]

*raises hand also*

I'm actually very excited about it.

I rather watch 20hour cutscene in MGS quality than 30mins of shit some movies produce nowadays.

[solidsnakejej]

I thought that the 90-min cutscene was disbunked. The longest I heard of was a 45 minute cutscene.

[seahorse]

did anyone see the latest PSW issue?

i went to check what score mgs4 got, but the magazine was in one of those stupid plastic wrapper things, and i wasn't quite willing to drop a fiver for it.

[julps31]

I thought that the 90-min cutscene was disbunked. The longest I heard of was a 45 minute cutscene.
If thats the case they wont be much (if any) longer the past MGS games.. Theres defiantnly some cut scenes in MGS2-3 that were a good 30-40 minutes (more or less). But if there are super long cut scenes it gives me the sense this games gonna be BIG. Read: Epic (in terms of length and storyline).

[Segitz]

I raise my hand too...

But not if 95% of those conversations are "codec" ones like they were in MGS2... I found that quite a cheap way actually^^ Nowadays, I mostly skip the codecs (as I know them by heart by now), but not the real cutscenes. This is also one of the many reasons I prefer MGS3 to MGS2 (beside that I found the story to be more interesting and the much cooler main character and bosses (beside maybe Vamp)).

[my name is Nobody]

:pinky:The cover story is the review of MGS4. I'll type none spoilers from the review

Rob Smith's editorial is about the stages of the playstation phase two
starts with Mgs4 and says "when you get to see MGS4 sparkling cineamatic
interludes, it's clear that the true potential is starting to be unleashed with
the potentail for movie downloads in the near future, along music downloads into
the fourthcoming Singstar. it's all evidence of a maturing platform hitting
its stride. And just imagine what phase three will bring".

Previews: I'll put the preview for a game in that games thread.

Review

MGS4: 5 stars editors choice. written by Rob Smith
About the beasts Laughing Octopus,Raging Raven,Crying Wolf and Sceaming
Mantis provide unique challenges,and their backgound stories are invaraibly tragic and moving.
He said " I can guarantee that MGS4 will retain in my top ten (he's referring
to his alltime list of games)no matter which way the wind wind is blowing.
And I;m willing to guarantee that it'll be similarly revered by PS3 gamers the world over. Yes it's that special." MGS4 perfectly wraps up the story entrails
left swinging after all the previous games(and in doing so delivers perfectly pitched fan-service), it also has such an open gameplay delivery, and its presentation is so phenomenal,that any self-respecting PS3 owner should consider it their next purchase. The immediate stand out is the level of detail
in every scene. Whether it's the motion of soldiers reacting to the thud of bullets, the dust kicking up off trucks, or the jagged edges of buildings bearing the scars of urban warfare, this opening cinematic is sensational.
It's supported by positonal audio that refines the atmosphere with clinical precision. Pinch youself: This is in-engine gameplay, not video-and if the singular purpose is to grab you before you even pull the trigger in anger, congratulations, first misson accomplished. Noami Hunter is sensationally hot.
there are four difficulty levels a fifth opens after completing single player game the first time. 20 hours of gameplay all tracked by stats you can view at the conclusion of each mission. Mgs4 is one of the most significant game designs of all time: if you come to the game with no prior MGS knowledge,
you'll still uncover one of the most absorbing stories ever told in cutscene
vignettes, produced as brilliantly as the medium has ever witnessed. The didection acting displayed in each cutscene is quite simply outstanding. Wether it's the subtle twitch in Meryls lips or the unbuttoned shirt distracting every encounter with Naomi, every scene is compelling. It's true
that on occasion you could be watching,not playing for 30 minutes or more, a key gameplay device encourages you to remain focused on the job, hands on controller. The game remains stealth based the action quotient ramps up at time to spectacular levels, and MGS4 shines in each of these situations.
In eastern europe the architecture and gameplay moments packed into this
act will have you so convinced that you'll be callingover friends, keeping save games for do-overs, and making sure everyone witnesses the staggering visuals. While the sectacle of viewing each location is awe-inspiring, it's the sneak and action scenes that you'll remember. He ends by
saying "Ive finished it twice now, and I highly suyspect more playthroughs lie in my future. That, right there is the hallmark of a game deserving instant recognition on any all-time top 10 list.

[section]

Uh, the cutscenes do the MGS trick for me, I started the series with MGS2 and didn't at first like the game at all because I didn't understand the camera style and largely disliked the metrosexual dude running around in a tight costume. Only when I saw the first cutscenes I started to get drawn to the game because the vibe was so different from all the games I had ever played.

I knew I would see this Snake dude later on in the game so I continued but by time started to like Raiden too. The story started to unfold and I was sold. After MGS2 bought and played through MGS3 and liked it a lot. Only after that had the chance to play through MGS1 and for me it's been the best. Seriously thinking MGS4 will be the best of the bunch though.

[masteratt]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1889414

[my name is Nobody]

I will put the other review in this post since they don't deserve to be with
Mgs4.

Other Reviews

Lego Indiana Jones: 3 and a half stars. by Gary Steinman
Lego Indy continues in the grand tradition of the star wars games, offering a flawed but compelling experience.

Condemned 2 Bloodshot: 3 stars. by Teresa Dun
The story is an inconsistent mishmash of conspiracy theories and personal demons, the dialogue is hopelessly forced, and the finasl battle is anticlimactic, but there are more than enough memorably twisted moments of bewilderment to keep any horror fan's eyes wide open through these ten warped hours of play.

Monster Madness: Grave Danger: 3 stars. by Teressa Dun
Grave Danger is a guilty pleasure enjoyable more for its tongue-in-cheek tone than for its actual gameplay.

Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit:2 and a half stars. by Tyler Nagata
Gogeous graphics really do mimic the anime. But once your eyes adjust to the razzle-dazzle. You find that the gameplay isn't nearly as pretty.

Hellboy: the science of evil: 2 stars. by Teresa Dun
Formula for frustration. Hellboy fans witha glassfull mentality might garner some enjoymen out of the game; The voice overs and dialogue are well done. For the rest of us, getting to the little bit of original story just isn't worth the hours of tedious combat, frustrating level design, and finger-numbing R2-spamming. A co-op mode lets you play with a friend online or splitscreen.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

lol. Thanks masteratt.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I never got what gamers had against cutscenes. I feel like I play games to earn cutscenes, sometimes. Especially those of the MGS caliber.

That's like...that's exactly it. I'm powering through to get to the next cutscene. when the screen dissolves from gameplay I get pumped.

[my name is Nobody]

Is anyone interested in how the install is handled or is that too much of
a spoiler. I don't want use tags for those without will power.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If it's worth talking about, it's too much of a spoiler.

[masteratt]

I'll like to know what happens during install, just say during install: and then spoiler tag it.

[jako]

Don't know if that has been already posted ?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/220277.html?playlist=featured

I don't really believe it but who knows ?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Or maybe, just maybe..it's a rectangle.

[masteratt]

I saw a dog on the street today, you guys know what that means right?

MGS4 IS COMING TO 360!!!!!!!


Seriously what the hell is wrong with these people, how desperate and low life can you get.
99% of them don't even give a shit about MGS4, they just want PS3 to lose an exclusive...Oh well internet has many good sides about it and I guess these people are the bad sides (unless that vid was making fun?...).

[GTAce]

New soap opera on Fox: "Desperate Xbots"

[masteratt]

Haha, perfect.

[my name is Nobody]

The install dosen't seem to be a spoiler worthy actually. Install happens before the start of every new act. The review doesn't say how much time it takes.

[masteratt]

Oh...:(

I would have preferred a one big install at the beginning than one before each act.
Oh well.

[Jay Gee]

That's like...that's exactly it. I'm powering through to get to the next cutscene. when the screen dissolves from gameplay I get pumped.
Cutscenes are the achievements of the MGS series.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

They're just one achievement of MGS my friend.

[Goki]

Don't know if that has been already posted ?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/220277.html?playlist=featured

I don't really believe it but who knows ?


HAHAHA the music i swear i almost got goosebumps, lol i can imagine whata xbot felt like, Harry Gregson Williams truly is a masterpiecer.

[LiquidEagle]

Okay, I'm outta here. Submerging... I can't risk some spoiler getting posted and I definitely don't want to read reviews before it comes out... See you guys in the other threads :)

[Diresu]

It's really sad how much gametrailers tries to stir shit up.

[julps31]

Or maybe, just maybe..it's a rectangle.Lmao...looks like a clip to me. Or......maybe it is the 360. Notice how much smaller it is then any other of the consoles. Maybe its Kojima taking a subliminal low blow at MS. ;)

[julps31]

Since nobodys posted this review in the thread yet. Voila!

OPSM JULY 2008 - MGS4 cover - Review 5 Stars

:pinky:The cover story is the review of MGS4. I'll type none spoilers from the review

Rob Smith's editorial is about the stages of the playstation phase two
starts with Mgs4 and says "when you get to see MGS4 sparkling cineamatic
interludes, it's clear that the true potential is starting to be unleashed with
the potentail for movie downloads in the near future, along music downloads into
the fourthcoming Singstar. it's all evidence of a maturing platform hitting
its stride. And just imagine what phase three will bring".

Previews: I'll put the preview for a game in that games thread.

Review

MGS4: 5 stars editors choice. written by Rob Smith
About the beasts Laughing Octopus,Raging Raven,Crying Wolf and Sceaming
Mantis provide unique challenges,and their backgound stories are invaraibly tragic and moving.
He said " I can guarantee that MGS4 will retain in my top ten (he's referring
to his alltime list of games)no matter which way the wind wind is blowing.
And I;m willing to guarantee that it'll be similarly revered by PS3 gamers the world over. Yes it's that special." MGS4 perfectly wraps up the story entrails
left swinging after all the previous games(and in doing so delivers perfectly pitched fan-service), it also has such an open gameplay delivery, and its presentation is so phenomenal,that any self-respecting PS3 owner should consider it their next purchase. The immediate stand out is the level of detail
in every scene. Whether it's the motion of soldiers reacting to the thud of bullets, the dust kicking up off trucks, or the jagged edges of buildings bearing the scars of urban warfare, this opening cinematic is sensational.
It's supported by positonal audio that refines the atmosphere with clinical precision. Pinch youself: This is in-engine gameplay, not video-and if the singular purpose is to grab you before you even pull the trigger in anger, congratulations, first misson accomplished. Noami Hunter is sensationally hot.
there are four difficulty levels a fifth opens after completing single player game the first time. 20 hours of gameplay all tracked by stats you can view at the conclusion of each mission. Mgs4 is one of the most significant game designs of all time: if you come to the game with no prior MGS knowledge,
you'll still uncover one of the most absorbing stories ever told in cutscene
vignettes, produced as brilliantly as the medium has ever witnessed. The didection acting displayed in each cutscene is quite simply outstanding. Wether it's the subtle twitch in Meryls lips or the unbuttoned shirt distracting every encounter with Naomi, every scene is compelling. It's true
that on occasion you could be watching,not playing for 30 minutes or more, a key gameplay device encourages you to remain focused on the job, hands on controller. The game remains stealth based the action quotient ramps up at time to spectacular levels, and MGS4 shines in each of these situations.
In eastern europe the architecture and gameplay moments packed into this
act will have you so convinced that you'll be callingover friends, keeping save games for do-overs, and making sure everyone witnesses the staggering visuals. While the sectacle of viewing each location is awe-inspiring, it's the sneak and action scenes that you'll remember. He ends by
saying "Ive finished it twice now, and I highly suyspect more playthroughs lie in my future. That, right there is the hallmark of a game deserving instant recognition on any all-time top 10 list.

[Passive]

Wow that poster video is really desperate. I'm pretty sure its a mag clip but thats just me :P when will xbox fans get it? MGS4 would have to be on at least 5 discs for them.

I think users should start posting reviews in spoiler tags. just a suggestion.

[Smokey]

Graphics: 18/20... Negative points: Graphics could be a bit better
couldve been better?... lol who cares... not a go at you FantasyGhost

Don't know if that has been already posted ?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/220277.html?playlist=featured

I don't really believe it but who knows ?

theyre desperate

[Passive]

head over to this (http://uk.youtube.com/user/sherpel) guys page and you can listen to a few scores from MGS4 a few new ones too not just the samples we have heard before.

So amped for hearing the entire score

EDIT: changed spelling :P got to much going on in my head atm sorry for posting like a crazy person. check out the 10min track especially btw.

[Sephiroth_VII]

That's like...that's exactly it. I'm powering through to get to the next cutscene. when the screen dissolves from gameplay I get pumped.

My feelings exactly. I even have saves in front of every cutscene so that I can rewatch them without having to play the game.

[Passive]

It seems as though the tracklist for Metal Gear Solid 4 has been released. It's nothing major, but some song titles could be considered spoilers if people are really wanting to avoid them then avoid the list, but it's really no big deal.

Disc 1

01 Old Snake 3:52
02 Love Theme 7:07
03 Gekko 2:53
04 Haven Troopers 3:40
05 BB Corps 3:43
06 Drebin 893 3:29
07 Vista Mansion 1:32
08 Laughing Octopus 2:19
09 Breakthrough 3:09
10 Endless Pain 2:46
11 White Blood 2:49
12 Call Me Hal 3:01
13 Midnight Shadow 2:58
14 Paradise Lost 4:13
15 Great Escape 2:14
16 Desperate Chase 2:57
17 Raging Raven 2:34
18 Confrontation 3:10
19 Mobs Alive 3:24
20 Violent Ceasefire 2:08
Disc length 63:58
Disc 2

01 Next-Gen Control 4:40
02 Crying Wolf 2:10
03 One More Reboot 1:41
04 Sin 1:44
05 Atonement 4:48
06 Infinite Loop 3:35
07 Everything Ends 2:30
08 At Dawn 3:30
09 Screaming Mantis 2:38
10 Guns of the Patriots 4:05
11 No Place to Hide 2:36
12 Sorrow 3:50
13 Full Circle 1:38
14 Everything Begins 4:25
15 Father & Son 2:29
16 Metal Gear Saga 4:19
17 Here's To You 5:48
18 War Zone 1:28
19 A Rebellion Rests 2:44
20 The Hunter 2:05
21 The Hunted 2:00
22 Forced Hand 2:08
23 Under Curfew 1:49
24 Unmanned Army 1:28
25 Cold Memories 1:35
26 For Liberty 1:58
27 Surrounded 1:59


Also a Rar file with a few MGS4 track only 30 second snippits though.
http://www.filefactory.com/file/01661e/

[TEEDA]

Love the way Snake's model has evolved since 2005.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5491/96947609nn1.jpg
( left to right : 2005,2006,2007 )

[TEEDA]

damn , really sorry...forgot to resize

[saud264]

same model but snake getting older from 2005 to 2007

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No, you didn't forget. You did that shit on purpose.

[Passive]

i wouldn't say its the same model :P not by a long shot lol

[masteratt]

Great improvements...He looks more alive as the years improve his model.

[Passive]

Yeah he does, has alot more life in his skin and hair. the colouring is much better now too.

[Passive]

I personally don't want another MGS. I want snake to die at the end of MGS4 :P call me dark but nothing like the hero falling. I say let him make something else be it a new ZoE or a totally new IP.

[julps31]

Yea Definantly. I feel where your coming from. I LOVE MGS...but I think this would be the perfect time to bring the saga to a close (start on PS1...end on the most current PS that can really make MGS what it needs to be). Because I feel it would've been premature for MGS to end on the PS2...especially so close to PS3's release. As much as I love it the timing would be perfect imo.

Not that I would be opposed to another MGS (or whatever spin off title that would come from it) if it was a depature from the current series. But I would love to see Kojima explore other avenues in terms of games. Who knows..maybe we'll get a brand new series as amazing as MGS.

[Passive]

and it seems poetic in a way to end it now. the last snake game, it comes out exactly 10 years since MGS1 release in japan, the story is wrapping up and it just seems to all have a finality to it.

[masteratt]

The problem is when a MGS game ends, you just want more.
It's easy to say now "oh yeah MGS4 should end it, it'll be great" but I bet you won't be thinking that after playing MGS4.

Even at the end of MGS2 where I seriously had no idea what the fuck was going on, I still wanted more MGS!

I would say it's like a drug but it's addiction is worse!

But yeah Hideo HAS to remain at the helm, if a MGS game comes out under another name, I'll go burn Konami or whoever publishes it.

[julps31]

and it seems poetic in a way to end it now. the last snake game, it comes out exactly 10 years since MGS1 release in japan, the story is wrapping up and it just seems to all have a finality to it.Exactly...


The problem is when a MGS game ends, you just want more.
It's easy to say now "oh yeah MGS4 should end it, it'll be great" but I bet you won't be thinking that after playing MGS4.

Even at the end of MGS2 where I seriously had no idea what the fuck was going on, I still wanted more MGS!

I would say it's like a drug but it's addiction is worse!

But yeah Hideo HAS to remain at the helm, if a MGS game comes out under another name, I'll go burn Konami or whoever publishes it.I definantly wanted more MGS after playing MGS2 lol. But I've come to terms witht he fact that this is most likely the finale...and from the sounds of it this game will tie up a lot of the loose ends created by the first 3 MGS games. So they'll be a finality and sense of completeness that we haven't had before. And naturally a sense of satisfaction (not to say we wont be clammering for more MGS action lol). But in a sense we've come to the last chapter of the story so theres less expectation..and in turn..less desire (damn i'm sounding like a phychologist ha, ha...).

[masteratt]

I don't care, I'll still want more! lol

I won't e-mail Hideo or anything so I won't pressure him but I wouldn't mind if I'm 70 years old and still playing MGS on PS11 or whatever.

It's one of those franchises that I think the creator loves enough to keep going with fire as it's not just a game but a voice of Hideo and no man can get sick of expressing his voice.

[Passive]

Oh i'm not saying i wont want more :P that urge will be there. But i'd rather the series be layed to rest on such a high note than to have it go on and on.

[masteratt]

If the series goes on and on, it will go on greatly (read last paragraph of my last post :p).

My only "hmm, maybe he should have..." reaction is, I would have reset the story in a way for MGS4 since it's the first MGS PS3 game, that way inviting newer players in with the new console.

[julps31]

LOL. Yea don't get me wrong...when I say less desire. I don't mean we don't want more MGS. Just less desire in the fact that it didn't end on a cliff hanger and the loose ends are tied. If there was a time (for Kojima) to move on to other games. This would be the best time imo.

[masteratt]

I agree with you 100%.

But more so, I want it to go on lol

[Passive]

Haha you and thousands more masteratt. But all good things must come to an end.

[masteratt]

Saying goodbye to a Japanese man.


My only weakness.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Big Boss returns?

05 BB Corps 3:43
15 Father & Son 2:29
12 Sorrow 3:50 (MGS3 reference?)
13 Full Circle 1:38

Nothing definite, but seriously, who else could be "Father and Son?"

[chartwel]

Big Boss returns?

05 BB Corps 3:43
15 Father & Son 2:29
12 Sorrow 3:50 (MGS3 reference?)
13 Full Circle 1:38

Nothing definite, but seriously, who else could be "Father and Son?"

i would say yes, there is a very good chance that big boss will show up again. he was included in the promo artwork as well..................with kojima, who knows though...............

[Segitz]

Nothing definite, but seriously, who else could be "Father and Son?"

Cat Stevens? :D

Anyways... 17 more days :D YAY :D

Sadly, my store won't open at Midnight or something like that for MGS4... it opens only at 930hrs... sucks :(

[Passive]

My EB wasnt going to lol but they sold all the SE and LE pre-orders in the first week haha! so they are having a midnight launch now ^^

[TEEDA]

Only 7000 copies of the CE in France for 99 €. Less than 100 or 60 left.

[Passive]

So funny how im still seeing headlines like "MGS4 could be a huge hit"

all i say is... could? O.o

[julps31]

Lol..^ I said the same thing about the "Kojima thinking about MGS5" artical. Like "kojima is thinking about making MGS5 IF MGS4 is succesfull." IF? Its not a matter of IF...but when.

[Bliss]

Can't wait for this GAME!

[ddaryl]

It will be interesting to see how this game compares with IGN's perfect 10 for GTAIV.

GTAIV deserves some praise, but from what I have heard it doesn't deliver the perfect 10 score. Solid to high 9's yes, perfect 10 not from the reviews I have read

In comes MGS4... which hopefully lives past expectation... but I will be curious to see how IGN reviews MGS4 the exclusive compared to GTAIV the multi million dollar $50m upfront MS paid multi-platform game.

just curious, to see how this one unfolds.

[drakkar]

Any rumours? And what about that one other mystery game that was supposed to be revealed? Or was that only in the Australian version.

[EvilTaru]

FIVE STARZ!!!111!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/angry.gif

*****

[Segitz]

http://www.spaceworld.no/frontend/files/PRODUCT//Metal_gear_1-v08-2.jpg

EU LE Box, bitches :D

[Raitei]

that looks quite cool, but im content with the US box

[Gummy]

Oh looks, it's snake.
http://www.gabe-e.com/campbell/livemovie/sharpe.jpg

[Kiosko]

*Drools*
Woah that's pretty slick compared to the US LE.

[Jasonps3]

Rob Smith was the guest on the Bonus Round at Gametrailers this week about MGS4:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34316.html

[GTAce]

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2008-gamefront/metalad.jpg <-Print ad

[curryking1]

Wow that EU box is as slick as can be... I think I want that over the US one... but... oh well. :P

[Passive]

oh shit yeah! =D cant wait to get my hands on that box!!

[solidsnakejej]

GamePro has given MGS4 a 5/5.

Every once in a long while, a game will come along and change all the rules. Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre. Resident Evil helped create a new sub-category of gaming - survival horror - and Grand Theft Auto 3 single-handedly reshaped the gaming landscape. And now comes Metal Gear Solid 4, a game whose potential influence on the current state of gaming is nothing short of tectonic.

[Jay Gee]

I'm still waiting for Gamespot to pull a boner and have their site hacked to link ppl to gay porn after they give MGS4 a jilted review.

[Diresu]

GamePro has given MGS4 a 5/5.

Damn, those are some HEAVY praises.

[Gummy]

If gayspot give them a low rank, people will get on their ass.

[masteratt]

Yes, yes, yes!

~This game WILL put my faith back into next-gen consoles ^_^ ~
(as expected)

I'll never get sick of saying this: I LOVE YOU HIDEO!!! ^_^_^_^_^_^


(weird looking happy emoticons for the Japanese effect)

[julps31]

GamePro has given MGS4 a 5/5.

Every once in a long while, a game will come along and change all the rules. Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre. Resident Evil helped create a new sub-category of gaming - survival horror - and Grand Theft Auto 3 single-handedly reshaped the gaming landscape. And now comes Metal Gear Solid 4, a game whose potential influence on the current state of gaming is nothing short of tectonic.Damn..thats no joke. Man this games gonna be amazing lol.

[aclar00]

It seems as though the tracklist for Metal Gear Solid 4 has been released. It's nothing major, but some song titles could be considered spoilers if people are really wanting to avoid them then avoid the list, but it's really no big deal.

Disc 1

01 Old Snake 3:52
02 Love Theme 7:07
03 Gekko 2:53
04 Haven Troopers 3:40
05 BB Corps 3:43
06 Drebin 893 3:29
07 Vista Mansion 1:32
08 Laughing Octopus 2:19
09 Breakthrough 3:09
10 Endless Pain 2:46
11 White Blood 2:49
12 Call Me Hal 3:01
13 Midnight Shadow 2:58
14 Paradise Lost 4:13
15 Great Escape 2:14
16 Desperate Chase 2:57
17 Raging Raven 2:34
18 Confrontation 3:10
19 Mobs Alive 3:24
20 Violent Ceasefire 2:08
Disc length 63:58
Disc 2

01 Next-Gen Control 4:40
02 Crying Wolf 2:10
03 One More Reboot 1:41
04 Sin 1:44
05 Atonement 4:48
06 Infinite Loop 3:35
07 Everything Ends 2:30
08 At Dawn 3:30
09 Screaming Mantis 2:38
10 Guns of the Patriots 4:05
11 No Place to Hide 2:36
12 Sorrow 3:50
13 Full Circle 1:38
14 Everything Begins 4:25
15 Father & Son 2:29
16 Metal Gear Saga 4:19
17 Here's To You 5:48
18 War Zone 1:28
19 A Rebellion Rests 2:44
20 The Hunter 2:05
21 The Hunted 2:00
22 Forced Hand 2:08
23 Under Curfew 1:49
24 Unmanned Army 1:28
25 Cold Memories 1:35
26 For Liberty 1:58
27 Surrounded 1:59


Also a Rar file with a few MGS4 track only 30 second snippits though.
http://www.filefactory.com/file/01661e/

any one of those the main theme from MGS2, that's the best one ever.

[Passive]

Hey Segitz, is there a larger picture of the LE box?

EDIT: no way to tell just by name alone aclar00 Sorry =[

I'll be getting the full OST when its released haha so i'll let you know.

and i just realised, i'll be getting MGS a good 14 or so hours before the US ^^

[Segitz]

Hey Segitz, is there a larger picture of the LE box?

EDIT: no way to tell just by name alone aclar00 Sorry =[

I'll be getting the full OST when its released haha so i'll let you know.

and i just realised, i'll be getting MGS a good 14 or so hours before the US ^^

Sorry no... there was another pic, where they unpacked it (or a "how to unpack"), but it was even smaller... Just wait 15 more days and I'll show you :P

[Red_Eyes]

I'm still waiting for Gamespot to pull a boner and have their site hacked to link ppl to gay porn after they give MGS4 a jilted review.

LOL. And I am waiting for IGN to give review something like so...

Graphics - 10
Audio - 10
Presentation - 10
Gameplay - 10
Replay Value - 10

Overall - 8.9

[Passive]

Sorry no... there was another pic, where they unpacked it (or a "how to unpack"), but it was even smaller... Just wait 15 more days and I'll show you :P

Haha no need man =D I've got the LE pre-ordered hehe ^^ cant fucking wait!


LOL. And I am waiting for IGN to give review something like so...

Graphics - 10
Audio - 10
Presentation - 10
Gameplay - 10
Replay Value - 10

Overall - 8.9

Haha! yeah probably. gonna be good to see what the big reviewers give this game. IGN, Gamespot, GT.. All im looking out for. But of course i only read the reviews AFTER playing the game haha then im not spoiled.

[Segitz]

http://www2.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/main?langId=-3&storeId=12053&catalogId=11553&top=Y&ok=T_MYOUTLET&uk=S_EVENTS&eventId=81632

Kojima is also coming to Hamburg... fuck that... it's like 700kms away from me... Why can't he come to Stuttgart or so^^ This makes me a sad SAD panda :(

[Passive]

haha! ouch :P well if he does come to Aus i doubt he'll come to my state :P

[Goki]

2 endlessly long fricking weeks.....

[Passive]

I know D= they wil go very very slowly for me =[ Must find things to pass the time.

[TEEDA]

Cyril Takayama MGS4 Trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM7RM86MKsI)
Haha Snake loses his bandana.

[Passive]

Haha yeah i saw that :P pretty cool.

[Passive]

Son.of.a.bitch

Some guy got a copyof MGS4 early. He claimed he did anyway until he was asked for proof, so he prooved it.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3757/img3926gk5.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1845/img3927qk3.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6007/img3928xs3.jpg

Source (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926596&topic=43354270)

[curryking1]

What... the... ***K IS THAT STUPID RETARDED **S ***T!!!!

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF!!!!

*************************KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!

That's so ***king retarded!!! I need an explanation from Kojima right ***king naooooo!!!

[Diresu]

How funny would it be if thats Ryan Payton just screwing around with people with his copy.

[dnpmakkah]

LOL. And I am waiting for IGN to give review something like so...

Graphics - 10
Audio - 10
Presentation - 10
Gameplay - 10
Replay Value - 10

Overall - 8.9Can't tell if this is a joke or not because sadly this is what IGN does ;)

[TEEDA]

What... the... ***K IS THAT STUPID RETARDED **S ***T!!!!

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF!!!!

*************************KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!

That's so ***king retarded!!! I need an explanation from Kojima right ***king naooooo!!!


Lol the same happened to Halo3 I think.
It was released one week before the launch, and someone already posted the ending T___T...
But well hope they won't screw up the launch because of this.

[Jay Gee]

Son.of.a.bitch

Some guy got a copyof MGS4 early. He claimed he did anyway until he was asked for proof, so he prooved it.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3757/img3926gk5.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1845/img3927qk3.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6007/img3928xs3.jpg

Source (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926596&topic=43354270)
*bans himself from thread*

[Smokey]

http://www2.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/main?langId=-3&storeId=12053&catalogId=11553&top=Y&ok=T_MYOUTLET&uk=S_EVENTS&eventId=81632

Kojima is also coming to Hamburg... fuck that... it's like 700kms away from me... Why can't he come to Stuttgart or so^^ This makes me a sad SAD panda :(

700ks aint far

[section]

^^well you live in a country which is also a continent on its own so there :D

[Segitz]

700ks aint far

Well... since I do not own a car, and gas prices are thru the roof... 700kms ARE quite far^^

A usual trip somewhere around here is never more than 50km one way^^ Yes, this is how dense we live :D

[saud264]

MGS4 Soundtrack - Love Theme

5aelFUK05Go

[JKL]

MGS4 Soundtrack - Love Theme

5aelFUK05Go
EPIC!

This music from MGS4 soundtrack

Ennio Morricone - Here's to you live
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ennio-morricone-sacco-and-vanzetti-heres-to-you-concert/3824077670
and MGS4 version
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=g2uSYGC1hv0

awesome!!!

and

MGS4 Main them
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWY7E2KVMTI

[Passive]

Not clicking any of those links :P so far the only scores ive heard are the ones on the trailers and thats the way its gonna stay until i play it ^^ which is in 13 freaking days!!! :D:D:D:D

[FantasyGhost]

"Metal Gear" creator cool under pressure

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The pressure on Hideo Kojima could hardly be greater, but the creator of the "Metal Gear Solid" video game series is cool as a cucumber.

Kojima's "Metal Gear Solid 4" makes its debut next month in one of the most highly anticipated game releases of 2008.

Not only will the military stealth-action game wrap up the decade-long adventures of mustachioed protagonist Solid Snake, it is expected to boost sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 console and to help close the gap with Microsoft's Xbox 360.

Kojima's flair for exquisite detail and intricate stories have gained him a reputation as one of the top game developers in the world, on par with "The Sims" creator Will Wright or even Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Nintendo's Mario.

Published by Japan's Konami, the previous three games in the series have sold a total of more than 17 million copies worldwide.

Kojima talked to Reuters about the positive side of pressure and why he is ready to say goodbye to his signature game series.

Q: There is a lot of expectation that "Metal Gear Solid 4" will help Sony sell more PS3s. Did that create more pressure for you?

A: "Indeed, there is pressure. There is always pressure. But I'm not talking pressure in a negative way. I can use it to push up the bar for what I'm creating. In that sense there's a positive pressure."

Q: Sum up two or three things about the game that make it different from not only past ones in the series but other games out there. What makes it unique?

A: "The MGS series has always been about action, or actually they call it stealth-action. This time the setting is a war zone or a battlefield, which is a unique experience. It's a war zone, so there is shooting as side A fights side B, but there's a lot of freedom so you can take advantage of being in a war zone and find various ways to play."

Q: What did you do with the story? How important was it to the game and does it wrap up the series?

A: "Yes, it wraps up all the stories of the past MGS games. I'm not a genius like George Lucas, I didn't have this story planned out. I always tried to finish the story in each game. But by some miracle in MGS4 I was able to resolve the mysteries left behind in past games and resolve the side stories from past games."

Q: What was your creative inspiration for "Metal Gear Solid," either the series as a whole or MGS4 specifically?

A: "Actually, I can tell you one incident that was not so much inspiration but that influenced the game design. We have a great military adviser and we take lessons and go to training camps. This was a great experience in designing the game. It wasn't just about how to handle guns or weapons, it was more mental or psychological, like how to blend in with the environment, how to disappear into a forest."

Q: You've indicated that this will be your last "Metal Gear Solid" game. Are you looking forward to other projects or will you continue to be involved in the series?

A: "MGS will always be around. I feel a responsibility to continue this series as long as users demand it. But it doesn't mean I'm going to sit in completely. I'll probably take a different role in the next game. Maybe I'll sit in as producer and let the young staff take control of the new series. I really want to go on to new things."

Q: Games are gaining a status on par with Hollywood blockbusters. Are developers getting more recognition for the art they create?

A: "Yes, I totally agree. When entertainment becomes digital, there can be a great collaboration between games and other kinds of entertainment like movies or even novels. All these things might form together to form a coherent medium.

"I can't really predict precisely that this will happen in two or three years or whatever. But the trend is there, things are happening and I believe that convergence will happen sooner or later.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080529/tc_nm/videogames_kojima_tech_dc;_ylt=AmZ1spdiB6WW7xDv0rE qyR0jtBAF

[Raitei]

I'm not a genius like George Lucas

yeah i mean, only a genius can think up midichlorians

(this is also the reason i want mgs to end here, dont take something great and pummel is face first into the shit)

[solidsnakejej]

PlayFrance: 9.5/10 ( MGS3 got the same on PF) (30 min Cut-scenes, fantastic scenario, they thought the AI is disappointing ...)

http://www.playfrance.com/test-ps3-metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots.html

and Gamestop Midnight opening list
http://www.gamestop.com/gs/landing/mgs4/MGS4Midnight.pdf?affid=3346&wt.mc_id=mgs4

[Diresu]

^Disappointing AI in a Metal Gear game? Why do I find that extremely hard to believe...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm not a genius like George Lucas.
I'm not a genius like George Lucas "is a genius."
"I'm not bat-shit insane, like George Lucas, man. I try to walk away from a good thing and not ruin it."

That's a rough translation. ;)

[curryking1]

^Disappointing AI in a Metal Gear game? Why do I find that extremely hard to believe...

The review mentions 'disappointing' A.I. in the sense that the reactions and strategies of the enemies are more or less the same thing from MGS3.

Obviously it was an intentional thing by the developers, but also it's not like it's unfair for the review to criticize Metal Gear Solid 4.

You can be sure the reviewers are acting more or less fairly here it seems... as they do mention it in contrast to all other aspects of the game which are allegedly substantially improved.

I say it's a fair call. I'm sure there are updates to the A.I. like the enemies showing some few degrees of fear like has been always talked about, but it looks like it's simply that the A.I. for the footsoldiers didn't get as much of an upgrade as everything else.

The translation goes...


Indeed, there are few games in which your enemies are so intelligent but the problem is that the changes compared to MGS3 are rather minimal. Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of those games showing although we had a cap but the behaviour of enemies did not suffer the same update that the rest of the work.

It's still the 'I heard something!? --> 'Nothing here' affair. Even though it was a smart, safe, and deliberate decision by the developers to polish up the existing sneaking system and more than acceptable course taken definitely, but still just that much disappointing as well.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, I kinda figured that.

[curryking1]

Ok fine then!!

Who said I was spelling it out for you Lali...

:shifty:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I was establishing CONSENSUS! INSOLENT WHELP!

[curryking1]

Consensus?! CONSENSUS!!!?!?!?

*that hurts :cry2:

:P

[Diresu]

Hmm...wonder if they realize that too smart AI in an MGS game would utterly break it.

[curryking1]

It doesn't have to be more difficult to make it more 'advanced...' as that simply just wouldn't make anything better obviously. Not like stupid simple things like 'Oh the boss/squad leader has more HP than everyone else LOLOLORZ!'

I was personally hoping for more scenario and individual soldier specific reactions. Maybe one guy is really jumpy... maybe one guy likes to look at his gun and aim it in the sky a lot for no reason...

Just to make it (not at all harder) a bit unpredictable and 'new' with every few or even every other encounter.

Like say there is a dumpster and a guy goes into it and looks in it to look for some food and his partner laughs at him while watching him do it. Something stupid like that. Completely one time and scripted.

But you know... well none of this had anything to do with A.I... so I'll just stop talking now.

[Goki]

The transition in AI from MGS to MGS2 was the biggest, soldiers in the boat from the trailer were life like then (as in or simpleton like us at that time) MGS3 didn't do much and from al the videos ive seen from MGS4 there doesnt seem to be either . I mean when u get discovered in MGS3 its almost impossible to break free if the guards manage to call up back up.

They sorta attack ya 3 ways. In MGS2 was the same buta bit easier cause of the enviroment being inside a building, otherwise would be impossible to break out.

[solidsnakejej]

I seen this thread at Neogaf and thought I'd share because it represents just how epic this game series truly is.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303161

[curryking1]

Oh my dear god whoa, that's just intense. Way intense.

[saud264]

I seen this thread at Neogaf and thought I'd share because it represents just how epic this game series truly is.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303161

Best official thread of all time to me

[solidsnakejej]

Also every MGS fan needs to download the theme and check it out. It has MGS sounds and all.
http://modusproductions.com/neogaf/ps3_theme/mgs4_alt_1_m0dus.p3t


Edit: I don't think I'll ever change the theme again.

[Diresu]

That thread is beyond epic.

[Passive]

I has the OST :P

trying rather hard not to click play... :shifty:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

that thread is just so beautiful.

[dnpmakkah]

That offical thread is incredible.

[Omegacell]

IGN UK Review http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p1.html 9.9/10 :)

[Passive]

oh shit yeah =D

lol not that i'll read that until i've played the game of course but still gogo MGS4

[Segitz]

When I first read that, I thought something like... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I mean, he compares himself with a moron, who COMPLETELY destroyed one of the best franchises in the world (at least to some degree). He should rather compare himself to people like Stanley Kubrick or the like. THOSE people are REAL genuisses.

At least, Kojima didn't make one of the same fatal flaws, Lucas did... Make his game more famlily friendly. This is one of the biggeste gripes I have with the new trilogy of Star Wars. There is basically no story to follow (so even the most moronic people can follow it), no evolution and some REALLY idiotic plot "twists".

[Theo]

^^A very nice review (I think there actually is not any specific spoilers, if you rule out those seen already from trailers etc. They kindly are not willing/allowed to spoil the experience for us it seems)! This is it, no doubt. This game will be the first ps3 game that can be called a true AAA masterpiece, for me atleast. There have been some very good ones, but when it comes to this the equals by my measuring are rare (we'll see if FFXIII will be the next one up for the task, or some new tittle out of the sky surprising us all). I feel like all the games that I have played this gen so far have been there to ease the pain of waiting for this :). The ps3 has vaited a true system seller long enough. I have a good feeling this will do some nice things, especially in Japan... It's like what, less than two weeks for the release of all releases! I will be praparing myself for a loooong session of gaming for MGS4!

[Passive]

Haha i plan to play it all in one sitting. Then i'll no doubt play it through again straight away. I hope there is a movie funtion like in MGS3 SE, it'd be cool to skip to certain cut scenes.

haha! look at the :P i'm already talking about watching certain scenes again when im yet to see them once :D

[Theo]

Haha i plan to play it all in one sitting. Then i'll no doubt play it through again straight away. I hope there is a movie funtion like in MGS3 SE, it'd be cool to skip to certain cut scenes.

haha! look at the :P i'm already talking about watching certain scenes again when im yet to see them once :D


To play it all in one sitting is what I plan to do as well (might have to extend it to two sittings though, but we'll see). For the first play through I'll be doing it for the story while enjoying and getting hang of the gameplay and the second play through I'll be doing it for the gameplay in a harder mode while enjoying the story again and finding out some possible details that I have missed during the fist time :). That has worked very nicely for me when I played MGS2 and MGS3.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Grat review, but:


9.5 Lasting Appeal
Aside from the fact that the cut-scenes bear repeated viewing, you’ll want to play through MGS 4 again and again, simply to unlock ever more exotic weapons, items and player rankings.

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

I mean, after completing GTA IV, I don't feel like playing it anymore, yet it received a "10."

But I can still play all the old MGS games without feeling anything but nostalgia.

[Red_Eyes]

WTF?! 9.9?! IGN's been throwing 10s left and right to every multiplatform games, but when it comes to the best exclusive game on the PS3, they give it a fucking 9.9?! F**k IGN. Just give MGS4 that .1 already! Why the f**k are they so f**king biased?

[Passive]

calm down :P

it got 10s all round except re-play ability lol so in my books its still a kick ass score.

and really why does the number matter so much? We'll all love it anyway.

[masteratt]

*tear*
What. fucking. awesomeness.

I can't believe we are so close!

[seahorse]

WTF?! 9.9?! IGN's been throwing 10s left and right to every multiplatform games, but when it comes to the best exclusive game on the PS3, they give it a fucking 9.9?! F**k IGN. Just give MGS4 that .1 already! Why the f**k are they so f**king biased?

you're right. 9.9 is an awful score. this game must suck.

[Passive]

haha! :P im really happy that it got such a score. a 10 would give more of a hyped impression if you ask me. 9.9 means it was reviewed more fairly.

[Olz]

Nice one Omegacell for finding the IGN review. Quite good review but the first thing that struck me, and I found mildly amusing, was:


It represents the pinnacle of Hideo Kojima's achievement, and it's undoubtedly one of the games of the year.

That is a direct quote. As it reads the end of the sentence just points out the obvious. It's obviously a mistake and the 'the' should be made bold or italicised. Just IGN being clumsy.

As for the score a 9.5 for lasting appeal is a bit harsh, but I guess it's fair. I'm not too sure about the whole treating MGO and MGS4 as two separate titles. Sure they are separate but they come in the same box for the price of a single game. It's not as if they are wildly different games. Why not treat GTAIV single and multiplayer as two separate titles? GTAIV got 10 for lasting appeal. Both UK and American IGN reviews put this down to a 25-45 hour single player and the multiplayer, not just the single player. I dunno I guess I just kinda feel MGS deserves better.

As for the Hideo Kojima signing event, I should be attending that come Monday. Can't wait, it's gonna be awesome seeing Hideo. I'm just gonna say something like 'I haven't played it yet (bar MGO), but I just know its gonna be the best game ever'. I'm gonna be heading over to HMV so damn early and taking lots of Red Bull! I take it the European signing is the first. If it is and I do manage to get the cover signed I'll take a picture and post it up for you guys (just to show off, lol).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I hate the decimal system. This is why it's gay. Whatever. Not because it's the difference between me buying and not buying this game, but, really, what seperates a 9.9 from a 10? What's .1 that makes that difference anyway? :wank:

now see, this:

If you’ve ever loved any one of the Metal Gear games, or any moments from the series, there will come a moment when MGS 4 will send your spirits soaring. If you’ve loved them all, well then there’ll be many, many more. It’s a masterpiece. But forget you read that. Go play it and find out for yourself. Because it’s the kind of game that, if you play it after being told it’s a masterpiece, might end up disappointing you because of the hype. So forget the hype. Forget that it’s a magnificent, ground-breaking, masterpiece. Just play it, and enjoy a dazzling, heart-lifting, voyage of discovery.

Is really all that's relevant, not the decimal point score system.

[solidsnakejej]

If some of you are going this crazy about the IGN review I suggest not looking at the eurogamer review.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Or Alan Moore or something.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

^^A very nice review (I think there actually is not any specific spoilers, if you rule out those seen already from trailers etc. They kindly are not willing/allowed to spoil the experience for us it seems)! This is it, no doubt. This game will be the first ps3 game that can be called a true AAA masterpiece, for me atleast. There have been some very good ones, but when it comes to this the equals by my measuring are rare (we'll see if FFXIII will be the next one up for the task, or some new tittle out of the sky surprising us all). I feel like all the games that I have played this gen so far have been there to ease the pain of waiting for this :). The ps3 has vaited a true system seller long enough. I have a good feeling this will do some nice things, especially in Japan... It's like what, less than two weeks for the release of all releases! I will be praparing myself for a loooong session of gaming for MGS4!


There hasn't been a game on MGS4's level since this gen started. On any platform.

[Diresu]

There is always going to be a few places that drag the score down because well its MGS and not Halo or GTA.

[Passive]

It makes perfect sense to review MGO and MGS4 seperate. They will be sold seperatly. GTA4 doesnt have a seperate selling multiplayer so therefore gets reviewed with the game. Logic.

[masteratt]

This is going to be funny....

8/10 from Eurogamer. (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797)

[solidsnakejej]

From briefly skimming over the review the reviewer IMO seems to hate the MGS series.

[seahorse]

lmao

[seahorse]

come on fanboys, get responding. i could do with a laugh.

[Omegacell]

It makes perfect sense to review MGO and MGS4 seperate. They will be sold seperatly. GTA4 doesnt have a seperate selling multiplayer so therefore gets reviewed with the game. Logic.

What? I'm pretty sure they said MGO will come with MGS4, just that there will be DLC that you have to pay for.

Ah here we go found the quote.

First, we’d like to clarify, once again, because we see people still asking about this - Metal Gear Online comes with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It is not a separate product. Metal Gear Online is the online multiplayer component of MGS4. We will be expanding MGO over time through new downloadable content (DLC), such as, maps, weapons, skills, and much more.

[Passive]

Haha, i really don't give a fuck about the reviews this game is getting. We all know reviews are based on personal experience of the reviewer and will not effect our time with the game (well it shouldn't). This game will be damn amazing imo and i could care less if it got 9,10,8 whatever :P cos in the end i'm still going to buy it, still going to love it, still going to sob like a baby at the end :P


EDIT: I knew it would come with the game. But i thought it was going to be sold seperatly aswell, must've miss read something. Cheers for clearing it up Omegacell. In any case i still stand but what i said above :P the score deosn't matter for true MGS fans so i don't know why some are getting pissy about it not getting 10s :P

[Diresu]

What? I'm pretty sure they said MGO will come with MGS4, just that there will be DLC that you have to pay for.

Ah here we go found the quote

Only the starter pack comes with MGS4. Meat of the game will be sold separately.

P.S. Eurogamer review yea...maybe if it was Grand Theft Metal Gear. it be a 10.11. Or maybe Konami just forgot to moneyhatt those guys.

[Segitz]

This is going to be funny....

8/10 from Eurogamer. (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797)

I read the whole article...

and, while I grant every person his right to free speech and all, journalists have codes to abide to, and he certainly breaks some of these codes.

First of all, a review should NEVER EVER have personal agendas included. And in the f*cking prologue, he already states, he is sort of the "wrong person" to review the game!

I don't have a problem with the score per se (although, it should be noted, that the reviewer is not a fan of the series...), as I said, to each his own... What threw me REALLY off, was that he complains, that it has to many cutscenes and conversations... WTF, THIS IS METAL GEAR YOU NUMBNUT. It's like saying Mario jumps around too much, or Halo has too much shooting! The worst also was his comment to the last pic... "We love you Snake, don't come back"... WTF? He gave this game an 8 (which is good in my book), yet he doesn't want a sequel???

And he doesn't even mention ANY online stuff, which we ALL know, will be great, as we could get a taste with the Beta. Halo 3 got a 10/10 by EG for the "complete package", and he ignores a major part of the experience?

I recently read both review of MGS3 and MGS3S by EG... (the former got an 8, the latter a 9) (just for comparisons sake)

What I cannot understand is, that they complained about the series not being "inventive"... I beg you a pardon... Show me ANY game, that took Camoflaging to that degree, when MGS3 was released. Also the Health stuff (eating food, heal yourself etc...) etc. The Sneaking Genre (ok, there really only are 3 main contenders, MGS, SC and Hitman) always was lead by MGS and always WILL be lead by it!

Enough rant^^ Only 13 more days!!

[Passive]

Enough rant^^ Only 13 more days!!

=D

[solidsnakejej]

come on fanboys, get responding. i could do with a laugh.

I'm not mad at the review it's that the reviewer sounded like he came in looking for flaws of the past games. I couldn't careless what the game scores because I know from the past MGS that it's not rated high. Where most of my anger comes from are the GTA 4 reviews. This could merely be from the backlash reviewers got after GTA 4 reviews and it didn't live up to the hype of a larger portion of people.


Well written article about MGS4 and early reviews
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189843&site=psm&skip=yes

[solidsnakejej]

And he doesn't even mention ANY online stuff, which we ALL know, will be great, as we could get a taste with the Beta. Halo 3 got a 10/10 by EG for the "complete package", and he ignores a major part of the experience?


I think that all the reviews will not mention the online play because it's basically a second beta to the real MGO game.

[seahorse]

ok, i just read the review, this line pretty much summed it up, "It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before."

luckily, we're all fans here. well, most of us.

[Diresu]

ok, i just read the review, this line pretty much summed it up, "It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before."

luckily, we're all fans here. well, most of us.

Um...yea...its called a sequel. That is one of the most retarded review lines I ever read. EVERY sequel is guilty of this to a large extent.

[Olz]

I can't help but feel the Eurogamer review is there merely to cause dispute and make lots of people go to their site (clearly working). I usually like their reviews and take them to be reliable, but this one is off-par. In order to point out the absurdity of this score I would like to point out that they gave Uncharted 9/10. Now I have no problems with Uncharted, it's a very good game, but to have given it a higher score than MGS4...well just isn't right. It would just seem their review scheme is inconsistent.

At the end of the day, this is one of those games where I and many others won't go by any review and will just buy the game knowing it will be amazing. With Hideo's seal of approval and production values it's more or less guaranteed.


I think that all the reviews will not mention the online play because it's basically a second beta to the real MGO game.
Erm, the MGO that comes with MSG4 is no beta, it's the real thing. Just because it doesn't have loads of content (which will be added via payable downloads) doesn't make it a beta. Just as GT5:Prologue wasn't a beta it was just a stripped down GT5.

[solidsnakejej]

Erm, the MGO that comes with MSG4 is no beta, it's the real thing. Just because it doesn't have loads of content (which will be added via payable downloads) doesn't make it a beta. Just as GT5:Prologue wasn't a beta it was just a stripped down GT5.

I meant beta because most people believe that it will be release separately later down the road as a more robust multiplayer experience. The MGO in the box is only a starter pack. But I still think it should be put in the score. Another reason why it might not be rated is that the review servers aren't up yet.

[Olz]

Another reason why it might not be rated is that the review servers aren't up yet.
Very good point. That may well be the case. It will be interesting to see if anything changes from the MGO beta to the one in the MGS4 box. The disc content may well be the same but several updates may be required before play.

[Raitei]

whozzat?

[Red_Eyes]

I'm not mad at the review it's that the reviewer sounded like he came in looking for flaws of the past games.
No.
It didn't sounded like he came in looking for flaws.
It sounded more like he came in with a stick up his a**. LOL.

/End Rant.

And about the MGO starter kit that came with MG4. It's a bonus package. So why are the reviewer acting as it it doesn't even exist?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

About EuroGamer: It's obvious the reviewer isn't a MGS fan, but can't deny that it is still a great game regardless. His opening paragraphs are testament to that.

NNNNEXT!

[thagoodfellas]

It has nothing to do with IGN UK review score of a 9.9 out of 10 because thats fantastic. Fantastic that the reviewers found only .1 wrong with the game. The problem lies with them giving the game a 9.5 in lasting appeal without a mention of the MGO aspect at all. That I find troubeling, am i sad or bitter over the review? NO not at all 9.9 out of 10 is .1 short of being perfect. However I do find it strange that they mentioned GTA IV's Multiplayer in there lasting appeal but not MGS4's thats weird in itself and that is my only problem with the review.

[Viper]

I'm assuming MGO will be reviewed separately. It's considered a separate game by Konami.

[Hisham]

This game better be all that and more because it is the only game I will be getting this summer.

Still though, MGO as a starter pack and having to pay to download updates seems stupid to me. They should just release it as a seperate game if they wanted to do this IMO. But whatever, that is just a small critism. It won't detract me from the main game.

[thagoodfellas]

I'm assuming MGO will be reviewed separately. It's considered a separate game by Konami.


First, we’d like to clarify, once again, because we see people still asking about this - Metal Gear Online comes with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It is not a separate product. Metal Gear Online is the online multiplayer component of MGS4. We will be expanding MGO over time through new downloadable content (DLC), such as, maps, weapons, skills, and much more.


<<So what you are saying Viper is its acceptable to review the Online aspect of MGS4 which comes with MGS4 as a seperate game. Even though its an extention of MGS4 just online gameplay? which is the same way GTA IV operates?>>

[Viper]

It comes with MGS4 as a start kit. Not the full MGO game.

I just told you that Konami considers it a separate game. Are you calling Konami wrong?

[Sephiroth_VII]

AFAIK, Konami has asked reviewers to look at MGO as a seperate game.

EDIT: Posted before I read Vipers post, yadda, yadda.

[thagoodfellas]

It comes with MGS4 as a start kit. Not the full MGO game.

I just told you that Konami considers it a separate game. Are you calling Konami wrong?


First, we’d like to clarify, once again, because we see people still asking about this - Metal Gear Online comes with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It is not a separate product. Metal Gear Online is the online multiplayer component of MGS4. We will be expanding MGO over time through new downloadable content (DLC), such as, maps, weapons, skills, and much more.


<<<In case you missed it>>>

[Viper]

You're talking from a first person perspective as though you are a Konami representative but I know you're not because MGO is a separate title and a Konami rep would know that.


Eventually, Kojima said, Konami plans on having a separate release for MGO, as they hope to continue expanding this online side of the franchise for over ten years.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821512p1.html
<<<In case you missed it>>>

[thagoodfellas]

You're talking from a first person perspective as though you are a Konami representative but I know you're not because MGO is a separate title and a Konami rep would know that.


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821512p1.html
<<<In case you missed it>>>


I never said I was a konami rep all that sun in Florida must be messing with your head. I said I got that OMEGA another forum member found that Qoute, it doesnt pay to pay attention does it?

[thagoodfellas]

You're talking from a first person perspective as though you are a Konami representative but I know you're not because MGO is a separate title and a Konami rep would know that.


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821512p1.html
<<<In case you missed it>>>



Viper I never said I was a Konami REP!!!!!!!! I said i got that QOUTE from OMEGA another member. It doesnt pay to pay attention does it?

[Viper]

You didn't mention anything about a quote at all hence why I pointed out your odd use of the first person perspective.

You wound't happen to be jealous, would you? Alaska must suck in the Winter.

[Gummy]

I honestly think 8/10 is a bit low for MGS4, oh well, that's their review.
Well, we will see when the game comes out.

As for MGO, then maybe that 8 would be perfect. =P

[thagoodfellas]

You didn't mention anything about a quote at all hence why I pointed out your odd use of the first person perspective.

You wound't happen to be jealous, would you? Alaska must suck in the Winter.

Alaska actually is beautiful in the Winter because im stationed in Anchorage Alaska. Alaska in the summer is even better espiecally when the salmon run starts. Now i know it isnt Florida weather, I prefer MIAMI however im in the air force so i didnt have much of a choice LOL. Viper I have nothing agaist you either I respect your information, and I myself didnt know Konami asked them to review it seperate thats new INFO to me so my apologies for my previous replys. A 9.9 is a great and fantastic review, do i think its right? hmmm it depends because like another guy said whats the difference between 9.9 and 10??? but even still Im getting the game. :D

[Bliss]

I honestly think 8/10 is a bit low for MGS4, oh well, that's their review.
Well, we will see when the game comes out.

As for MGO, then maybe that 8 would be perfect. =P

well, from what I read almost everywhere MGS4 is a masterpiece, getting 5 stars, or 10/10, or 9.9/10, 96/100, etc...I can't wait for the best MGS :)

[Viper]

Alaska actually is beautiful in the Winter because im stationed in Anchorage Alaska. Alaska in the summer is even better espiecally when the salmon run starts. Now i know it isnt Florida weather, I prefer MIAMI however im in the air force so i didnt have much of a choice LOL. Viper I have nothing agaist you either I respect your information, and I myself didnt know Konami asked them to review it seperate thats new INFO to me so my apologies for my previous replys. A 9.9 is a great and fantastic review, do i think its right? hmmm it depends because like another guy said whats the difference between 9.9 and 10??? but even still Im getting the game. :D

I was at Langley for 6 years so I'm familiar with those "you don't have a choice" options.

I don't know if Konami asked them directly to review them separately, just that the games themselves are counted separately. Look at game databases at all the major media sites for example. They are very much separate products.


As for the reviews themselves, I really hate our current review system. A 50% should mean average and it doesn't. You can blame that all on the whole review incentive system publishers starting offering to developers back in the 90's which in turn lead to developers giving up lots of publicity to media outlets for higher scores. Now we're stuck with the exaggerated rating scale because if you don't give a high score to a hyped game, you get made out to be a biased media outlet and lose favor from the publishers.

[Diresu]

^The only reviews I even take into consideration remotely is X-Play. And even they tend to have some misses but in terms of consistency they are a lot better then most of these bullshit websites.

[Viper]

A touch of history.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57274

Eurogamer gave MGS3 a 8/10 as well.

[masteratt]

And it turned out to be the worst selling MGS!
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Eurogamer controls the market!


Seriously though my theory for MGS3 selling worse is because 80&#37; of the non-hardcore fans lost interest after playing MGS2's XTREME!WTF! story.

[bilbobob007]

You know what i love about the whole release of MGS4.

NO BLOODY SODDING COMPARISON VIDEOS.

Just for a laugh tho Gametrailers could do one using two different T.v's then superimpose (wrong spelling i think) 360 control icons on one of the videos.

[julps31]

well, from what I read almost everywhere MGS4 is a masterpiece, getting 5 stars, or 10/10, or 9.9/10, 96/100, etc...I can't wait for the best MGS :)Definantly. I think these quotes from the Gamepro review and the IGN review are testament to that.

Game Pro:
"Every once in a long while, a game will come along and change all the rules. Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre. Resident Evil helped create a new sub-category of gaming - survival horror - and Grand Theft Auto 3 single-handedly reshaped the gaming landscape. And now comes Metal Gear Solid 4, a game whose potential influence on the current state of gaming is nothing short of tectonic."

IGN:
"If you’ve ever loved any one of the Metal Gear games, or any moments from the series, there will come a moment when MGS 4 will send your spirits soaring. If you’ve loved them all, well then there’ll be many, many more. It’s a masterpiece. But forget you read that. Go play it and find out for yourself. Because it’s the kind of game that, if you play it after being told it’s a masterpiece, might end up disappointing you because of the hype. So forget the hype. Forget that it’s a magnificent, ground-breaking, masterpiece. Just play it, and enjoy a dazzling, heart-lifting, voyage of discovery."

[julps31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore

Considered one of the best writers in and outside of comics. And pretty crazy lookin but many of the best are lol... As you see he wrote V for Vendatta and From Hell (both graphic novels before they were movies).

[Raitei]

i need that 'the more you know' thing
someone throw that up

thankyou anyways

[julps31]

LOL. No prob...

http://www.ringosauce.com/junk/more_you_know1.jpg

;)

[thagoodfellas]

I was at Langley for 6 years so I'm familiar with those "you don't have a choice" options.

I don't know if Konami asked them directly to review them separately, just that the games themselves are counted separately. Look at game databases at all the major media sites for example. They are very much separate products.


As for the reviews themselves, I really hate our current review system. A 50% should mean average and it doesn't. You can blame that all on the whole review incentive system publishers starting offering to developers back in the 90's which in turn lead to developers giving up lots of publicity to media outlets for higher scores. Now we're stuck with the exaggerated rating scale because if you don't give a high score to a hyped game, you get made out to be a biased media outlet and lose favor from the publishers.



I agree, I also wish I was stationed at Langley because im actually from Maryland. I miss home so much its really nice out here but compared to Maryland/Virginia/Washington DC its like the country. Video games and internet is the only thing I can really use to have some sense of being normal

[Viper]

Try being in Qatar for a year like my wife was. Not the best way to spend your 10th anniversary.



Looks like 2 more reviews are in:

Gamepro - 5/5
Games Master UK - 97

[bilbobob007]

I see this weeks, site of the week to be different than all the others on the web, goes to eurogamer who seem to hate everything abou the game but gave it 8/10 and said go away snake and dont come back. Do you think they were like that because they are jeleous they will never be able to code a masterpiece like MGS.

[Viper]

I hope that was sarcasm because Eurogamer is just a media site, not a developer and with that logic they'd hate ALL high quality games...not just MGS4.

Remember, they gave MGS3 a 8/10 as well.

[Nameless]

^ Perhaps the reviewer is just not a fan of the series...
I do have to admit that you either love MGS or hate it, there's not much middle ground based on the unique gameplay/controls & over the top cinematic sequences. I love the series and can't wait to play, but I know others who are not into the movie/game vibe...

*I knew one or two sites would give a lower score; I just find it amusing that every site gave Halo 3 such high scores...*

[Viper]

^ Perhaps the reviewer is just not a fan of the series...
I do have to admit that you either love MGS or hate it, there's not much middle ground based on the unique gameplay/controls & over the top cinematic sequences. I love the series and can't wait to play, but I know others who are not into the movie/game vibe...

*I knew one or two sites would give a lower score; I just find it amusing that every site gave Halo 3 such high scores...*

Different reviewer for MGS3 and MGS4.

Halo 3 doesn't even rank in the top 10 though. 2 reviews in the 70's, one being a 70, 12 reviews in the 80's, 6 being an 80.

[Passive]

Okay... so thats annoying.

I gave it and listened to the MGS4 ost. The main theme we all know and love isnt there =[ at least not that i could tell. I did skim through tracks :P but i listen to a bit of each and i got nothing.

[solidsnakejej]

Yea, I believe they stop using it because it infringed on a song made by some Russian composer. Thou it could be something else, this is just what I heard.

[Passive]

Yeah i knew that. They claimed copyright on it so there was rumour that it wasnt going to be used. Pretty annoying really because its the original theme =[ As far as i can tell the MGS3 theme is now the main theme becuase i've heard it pop up on one or two tracks.

[Hisham]

I hope it has a nice opening. I remember when playing through the beginning of Snake Eater was like the opening to a James Bond movie. I hope there is something similar in MGS4. And being able to pause cutscenes is a godsend. I swear I missed most of MGS2's ending the first time because my mom was calling me to do chores after I beat the boss.

And my mom does this often, so being able to pause cutscenes = greatness.

[julps31]

Try being in Qatar for a year like my wife was. Not the best way to spend your 10th anniversary.



Looks like 2 more reviews are in:

Gamepro - 5/5
Games Master UK - 97Lol nope. That gamepro review was posted about five (or more) pages back lol. But the gamemaster is new to me tho. Worth a re-post tho.

[Gummy]

I hope it has a nice opening. I remember when playing through the beginning of Snake Eater was like the opening to a James Bond movie. I hope there is something similar in MGS4. And being able to pause cutscenes is a godsend. I swear I missed most of MGS2's ending the first time because my mom was calling me to do chores after I beat the boss.

And my mom does this often, so being able to pause cutscenes = greatness.

Glad newer games have that too.
RPG's especially!

[Xclusion]

I hope it has a nice opening. I remember when playing through the beginning of Snake Eater was like the opening to a James Bond movie. I hope there is something similar in MGS4. And being able to pause cutscenes is a godsend. I swear I missed most of MGS2's ending the first time because my mom was calling me to do chores after I beat the boss.

And my mom does this often, so being able to pause cutscenes = greatness.

OMG my Dad called me to help him replace a light bulb in the garage during the driving scene near the end of Snake Eater. I think a part of me still hates him to this day.

...j/k but it was messed up.

[Passive]

Haha yeah im liking the ability to pause during a cutscene :P my parents have the neck of calling me to do stuff during them :P It's really really annoying and ive already told them when i get MGS4 i'll be MIA for at least 2 days haha

[dnpmakkah]

It's fun to discuss review scores good or bad but does anyone really care what Eurogamer said about the game or the score it recieved? You're going to buy the game regardless. I'd buy it just for the soundtrack, that's how excited I am for this game.

[Passive]

Haha well i have the soundtrack already and its amazing, can't wait for this :D and i dont care about any review, the EG one clearly wasn't fair as the review expressed he didn't like MGS game so he really shouldn't have been the one to review it. But who care lol we are all planning on getting the game anyway :P

[dnpmakkah]

I play this everytime I come on this forum (which is at least 5 times a day)

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1890994&postcount=6866

[Passive]

It's rather good isn't it? =] the second i heard it on the 15min trailer i wanted the track and more importantly wanted it to be in the game :P cos we all know trailer music doesn't always end up in the game/movie they are previewing.

[Red_Eyes]

I'm assuming MGO will be reviewed separately. It's considered a separate game by Konami.
Yeah, MGO will be reviewed sperately when it is release. BUT, what I am talking about is the bonus starter kit. Or did Konami asked them to reviewed the bonus start kit seperately too even though it comes with MGS4?

[Passive]

Because its a bonus kit. it's not the full game that will be released later. it's not like the reviewer would review a bonus dvd added to the standard edition :P becuase its a bonus thing nothing to do with the actual game itself. and im guessing down the line the kit wont be included in MGS4. and in 6 months time when we get the special edition i heard they are removing MGO altogether from the disc to add extra MGS4 content and adding multi-language. Becuase they had alot of people writing in asking if the japanese voice acting will be on the english release aswell. and japanese people were writing in asking for the english voices to be included in the jap release haha! so ryan stongly hinted at the SE being multi language.

[Passive]

EDGE gives it 8/10

scans.

http://b.imagehost.org/view/0605/MGS4EDGE1.jpg
http://b.imagehost.org/view/0980/MGS4EDGE02.jpg

[cliffbo]

8/10!!!!???? come on now! this game deserves an 11/10 and that's before i've played it! stupid reviewers! there is a serious point to what i just posted, but i'm not entirely sure what it is

[solidsnakejej]

KP report returns....Might be the last one
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/radio/the_report/the_report_087.mp3

[curryking1]

cliffbo you're such a fag.

[cliffbo]

cliffbo you're such a fag.

maybe i was laughing at myself and my own hype-buying mentality? because from what i've read and seen, i'd give it an 11/10 even though i haven't played it. :)

[curryking1]

cliffbo you're such a fag.

[cliffbo]

cheers Curryking, it's good to be back... LOL

[Passive]

OH SHIT YEAH!!!

KP Report is back!! :D

[lips]

maybe i was laughing at myself and my own hype-buying mentality? because from what i've read and seen, i'd give it an 11/10 even though i haven't played it. :)

Judging from the review, even giving an 8 was a difficult choice.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Which is why reviews are actually rather pointless. Some people are going to love this game, some won't, and that's the case for everything in this world.

[Kiosko]

Heck Yeah KP! Thanks for posting. It's almost here!

[Cyrus]

Which is why reviews are actually rather pointless. Some people are going to love this game, some won't, and that's the case for everything in this world.

Very well said. :)

[fortieTHief]

[QUOTE=Passive;1891805]EDGE gives it 8/10

I dont know,is another xbot clan? Whi GRID give 9?

[JKL]

Games Master UK - 97%

[solidsnakejej]

5/5 from Official US Playstation Mag, scans here: (has spoilers of final mission)

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=416945&page=1

[Gummy]

nice review from OPM.

[solidsnakejej]

And rumors of a 10 from game informer and some stuff from edge



- great AI
"...action here is remarkably open, the AI honouring all kinds of approach. Opt for stealth[...] and the battle focuses on chokepoints and patrol paths. Side with the militia, firing at PMC, and the call goes out for reinforcements, waves of enemies sucking down your bullets. Judgements are saved for when the game is over, prompting you to do things differently across multiple difficulty levels. Factor in the twin bars [...] and you have a game fit for months instead of days."

- multiple ways to approach the missions
- great controls
- great shooting
- too complicated story for newcomers
- lengthy cut scenes
- simplicity of some objectives
- the game isn't what it could have been or should have been, but no reason is stated
- game doesn't appeal to reviewers who didn't enjoy MGS2's ending (refers to himself)
- score is apparently better than in new hollywood movies, fitting in perfectly with action
- Liquid Ocelot is a superb villain
- maps are a trifle small
- game encourages explorative play by hiding items in every hidden corner
- the arsenal is humongous, you can build different Snake over and over again
- again, there are tons of different ways to play
- Drebin points are a proper way of incorporating weapon collecting
- Otacon is being described as a gaming (non interactive) revolution, due to the way he looks and acts, he's called a star of MGS4
- iPod is a great addition, especially for fans
- this game is made for fans "...If you sat in lockers while footsteps came and went, or basked in codec conversations without once checking your watch, MGS4 is your just reward"
- using mkII is essential for stealth gameplay
- amazing visuals, only flaw is that textures look significantly worse up close


so it's another glowing review from a non-fan

[Segitz]

So basically, non-fans rate this game 8/10 and fans 10/10^^

Coolio :D

I won't cry after a single dime, I will spend on the LE!!

[Diresu]

I never understood why you put someone who doesn't like the type of game on a review. Thats like giving me Forza 2 to review. I fucking despise racing games and therefore there is no way I could possibly enjoy it as much as a car enthusiast. So our scores would obviously be different...It doesn't make any sense.

[masteratt]

So basically, non-fans rate this game 8/10 and fans 10/10^^
Exactly.

A bit retarded though to look at it that way since it's Metal Gear Solid FOUR so it should have been reviewed as continuation of the series.

But still, nice it got a 8/10 as a 'stand alone' game.
I'm just happy I'm a fan.

[Nameless]

^ Agreed...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

In short: Sound like a hater to me.:pleased:

[Viper]

Yeah, MGO will be reviewed sperately when it is release. BUT, what I am talking about is the bonus starter kit. Or did Konami asked them to reviewed the bonus start kit seperately too even though it comes with MGS4?
You can't review an incomplete game.

[curryking1]

For the love of God...

The Globe and Mail is already a better place to go for gaming reviews than everything on the web. I think that says enough. And they only review mostly those big titles like every other entertainment section of a newspaper website.

Are journalists in gaming just all failures at getting into somewhere else or are they simply just absorbed into a one-side-versus-the-other mindset? Maybe it's just because anyone involved in videogames has to be so 'me' all the time. I mean... ***k it's very sad.

At least I'm sure the damn Globe and Mail guy will have a competent review. You know, because he probably actually earned his degree in some kind of passable or respectable fashion.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, attacking the people behind the reviews like they couldn't even at least get a bachelor's degree is a little childish curryking, and more of a pathetic argument (pathetic=emotional) than pursuasive or informed one. With that in mind, they're people like you and I with a degree in journalism (probably) and an opinion. They're average dudes. Not like you have to have an IQ over 150 to determine how fun a game is, its strengths and weaknesses. That doesn't make them any more qualified than you or I about anything, because we all play games and have different sensibilities and tastes... When someone writes a review that is mostly pathetic (in both senses this time ;) ), you gotta just keep that in mind and move on. But curry saying they're losers with a C- average in school that had no where else to go but gaming journalism (sad state it is in) makes it seem like you think they just hand out game journalist positions to bums on the street.

Curry, what I'm trying to say is, you sound really agitated today.
Who was he, and where did he hit you?

[curryking1]

Man that's hilarious. I could've sworn I didn't press the 'post' button haha.

No, I'm just having fun. I haven't been able to visit too often for a while so I'm wailing away on my keyboard to contribute :-)

I'm more than well aware of the 'attack the argument, not the man' philosophy, thank you. It's simply more fun that way to slide it in between. The snarkiness is just to throw some fun into it, no more no less, I really have no interest in guessing all their SAT or GPA or whatever else score there is to have ;-]

What I'm trying to say is... Oh my god I'm bored right now...

[Viper]

Curry, there are two problems with our industry reviews.

1. All are hardcore elitist gamers. They can't review a casual properly game for nothing.

2. In the 1990's publishers began to offer incentives to their developers for high rated games. This lead to developers granting media sites easy access to exclusives and game media in exchange for good reviews. At the same time publishers were getting real heavy into media advertising which also demands for good scores. Soon every media site began adjusting their review score system so that a 50&#37; no longer meant average like it should.

Now we're stuck with this system because any media outlet that uses the 50%=middle gets seen as overly negative or biased resulting in their ad funding gets pulled and exclusive info gets cut off.

[curryking1]

Those are interesting points Viper, I usually never remember to think about those to be honest. Well more that second one. I always think all the reviewers are way too 'I'm the ***t' all the time. It oozes all over their writing like some smelly and disgusting expulsion.

Oh ya, Lali, I got to be pimping my new avatar as well (which I stole from the megaduper NeoGaf MGS4 thread).

I think it's sexy. It's like Snake's vicious 'finale' pose.

[JasonXe]

reviews without scores. Sounds a bit better :-)

[Viper]

reviews without scores. Sounds a bit better :-)

Keep that in mind...... ;)