Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[curryking1]

That's not the same thing, some cross dressing lad in Uncharted would be ridiculous to tie in the Uncharted story lol.

[julps31]

Raiden gets no love lol. Compared to a cross dressing nobody. OUCH lol...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, we all know something is wrong with him... :look:

[masteratt]

A pretty entertaining interview with the voice of Snake (Mr David Hayter):


vmxj-cly1Dk
Embedding is disabled so here is a link. (youtube.com/watch?v=vmxj-cly1Dk)

[curryking1]

I clicked it and it said this video is no longer available :(

[Passive]

Click the link curry it works for me and no cliff its not the same thing lol


EDIT: lmao! he's so cool

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, he's so cool, too bad Sadie is not.

[Passive]

Yeah Sadie annoyed the shit out of me. She need to be put down.

[Bsack]

I played through MGS 1, 2, and 3 all in two months. Raiden never left a dull experience on me, but for my friends that were waiting for a sequel to the first title were extremely let down by playing with Raiden basically the whole time. I went into it expecting it and overall I'd have to say it was a great experience for me. MGS2 is by far one, if not, the best experience I've had with this franchise. I didn't like MGS3 as much as I liked MGS2. I'm currently playing MGS:PO on my PSP, but that's been put on delay until I can get the brand new PSP to play on my HDTV. =)

[curryking1]

Click the link curry it works for me and no cliff its not the same thing lol

Nooooo! Link to page anyone??

P.S. People should watch Johnny Depp's Letterman interviews, he's really cool too, especially his younger one :)

[masteratt]

Here..........again. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vmxj-cly1Dk)

[curryking1]

Yay it works now!

[masteratt]

Just watching/ hearing him makes me want to listen to a Codec conversation lol

[Passive]

Finally got around to making a propper sig for meeee!

comments?

[julps31]

That sig is sick Passive. Definantly gets a :thumbl: from me...

[curryking1]

I could make a better one..... lol j/k, it's nice.

[LiquidEagle]

Looks sweet :-D

[Passive]

It was rather annoying to get the font. :( But well worth the trouble lol

[LiquidEagle]

I was going to ask, what font is it btw?

[Passive]

It doesn't exist as far as im aware, i searched a few sites and found fonts very close to the type use in the MGS4 trailers but i wasnt happy with that so i had to cut each letter i needed from different names on the trailers XD

heres the few that i considered though :)

Levi Brush (http://www.dafont.com/levibrush.font)
Chinela Brush (http://www.dafont.com/chinela-brush.font)
CM Squish < < < < < The closest you're gonna get to the MGS4 trailer font without doing what i had to do. (http://www.dafont.com/cm-squish.font)

As i said i was going to use CM squish but im really picky when it comes to sigs lol and i just HAD to have to propper font. I figured out there are almost enough letters to make the whole alphabet in the trailers. there are a few letters i would have to create or patch together but if you want i can make the font. (which im panning on doing soonish after realising i can do it lol)

[LiquidEagle]

hehe, looks fantastic, good work :)

[Passive]

Cheers :) as Sephiroth_VII once said to me people to good work when they are bored lol. I made myself a new MGS4 wallpaper because i was bored and then i figured while i have photoshop open id make myself a sig and im pretty happy with it.

[archy121]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Pages Of BIG JUICY melons that will definitely have you drooling

http://www.360indians.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7&st=260&#entry36916



Don't be shy to rep :pinky:

[Passive]

You get the Reps from me sir.

I dont usually rep people who ask for it :P but they are decent scans.

[GTAce]

Fuck cant see them on my PS3 must taste those melons later on my PC.

[GTAce]

ZOMFG the weapons. =-o

[Epix]

Can someone post pics as attachments, plz?

+rep Archy.

[mario25]

Can I have melons!!?

[Raitei]

=[
fudging bandwith issues

want melons

[LiquidEagle]

me 2... :laugh:

[julps31]

Yea...anybody got the pics to share? All i see is "bandwidth exceeded" lol...

[mario25]

I want melons!!...please!!!

[Jay Gee]

If I request the melons, will I get the melons?

[GTAce]

I would serve it to you guys but i didnt saved them for myself. 8(

[BluBoi]

Can you guys see these?

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img096ig1.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img097pb2.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img098jo6.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img099nd8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img100he5.jpg
http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img101dw9.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img102pc1.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img103zn0.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img104fa3.jpg

Got them from PS3forums. I haven't looked at them yet, not a whole lot of time.

[Shogun042]

damn those melons were delicious

[Passive]

I do indeed approve of those melons

[julps31]

Mmm them melons was delicous. ;) +rep blu...

And its uncanny how much Drebin resembles Lali lol. I think Kojimas sending a subliminal message that hes watching us lol.

[Nameless]

You know all black people look alike... ;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

http://www.movieactors.com/freeseframes-1026/FifthElement154.jpeg+http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/Kevin_and_KrisWedding_Show_495.jpg=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/7608newsimg.jpg

[Nameless]

^ Did you wear pink to prom? LMAO!!! :queer:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yes because I hired a professional photographer for my prom.:moon:

That's my sister's wedding, I got stuck with the pink vest.:whip:

[Nameless]

^ Lmao!!!

[julps31]

You know all black people look alike... ;)Lol. He doesn't look like me tho. But eh...can't win em all lol.

@ Lali's pics....haha. Case and point.

[Passive]

lol thats awesome how close Lali looks to Drebin :P Now we just need other look alikes pointed out in MGS4 ^^ go go

[masteratt]

Hey when I made a thread in the madhouse saying lali looked like Drebin everyone was like "omg no he doesnt!"

But NOW.........jeez.......

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: I didn't want to say anything because that picture of Drebin shows his mouth like it's this gaping black hole and I didn't want LaLi to think I was insulting him (lest I be banned :laugh:) :-p

You gotta get some of those Drebin-style glasses if you don't already, dude ;)

I think I most resemble Johnny Sasaki, minus the digestive system problems :-p

[mario25]

where are my melons!

EDIT: oooooops!!....sorry dudes!!

Melons are amazing!!

[LiquidEagle]

Previous page, dood!

[killermmn]

http://www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html

a bad news!!

[Theo]

http://www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html

a bad news!!


I will never trust any company again when it comes to release dates of video games! Damn it! Will these delays ever end!? Good thing is they will make it even better and it might be only a matter of few months if you dare to believe that new release scenario... *sigh* I really expected it to release early next year...

[LiquidEagle]

http://www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html

a bad news!!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I damn near wept in front of my roomate just now... now it's NEVER coming out on my birthday! January 29th is forever cursed with Oni and Sonic PS3... :'(

On the good side, the best game ever made is only going to be better :-D

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm crying :cry2:

But then again, this just means it's going to be even better than expected :hugegrin:. We also have to remember that this is the last MGS ever, so maybe we should just be happy it's delayed.

[Segitz]

Well Kojima himself said "early 2008" in the last trailer, so a delay this is "not" if one is a bit nitpicky...

2 great games in that timeframe is also ok (GTA and MGS)...

[Theo]

^^I have my doubts of MGS4 being the last MGS game ;)...

[cliffbo]

delays can only mean better games

[Passive]

^ i dont like that way of thinking :P look at duke nukeham and spore.


Im so mad about this i just might kill someone.

[cliffbo]

you know... if you live your life concentrating on the things that piss you off, then you're not going to be happy, best to concentrate on things that please you - then by a process of illumination, those that really, really want to piss themselves off, can work out what wasn't so good.

[Rockmond]

http://www.konami.jp/topics/2007/1031_1/index-e.html

a bad news!!

smh.

[frosty]

So between april and june... I can deal with that.

[Segitz]

Hm, it is strange...

the japanese version of the same press release still says first quarter... And it was also released today... so, which version is wrong?

[B Dizzle]

delays can only mean better games

In fact they should never actually release a game 'cos the anticipation is always more fun than actually playing it.

Another nugget of Fanboy Comedy Gold.

[Shogun042]

polish + no point in releasing KZ2 and LBP at basically the same time.

now it's GTAIV vs. MGS4

[cliffbo]

In fact they should never actually release a game 'cos the anticipation is always more fun than actually playing it.

Another nugget of Fanboy Comedy Gold.

that's actually quite philosophical too :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

2nd Quarter is fine with me, just don't delay it again!!! :cry2:

[cliffbo]

2nd Quarter is fine with me, just don't delay it again!!! :cry2:

perhaps they're stripping it down so that it can fit on a DVD9?........ slowly sidles off...........

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I am not amused sir.

[cliffbo]

I am not amused sir.

LOLOL!!!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Ingrate.

[VideoGame mania]

Geez not this again, I'm preparing for Fall 08 alongside with GTAIV.
This gen should last as long as possible. 3 years for a GTA game when we had 3 in 3, last gen.

[cliffbo]

Ingrate.

on a serious note, i believe that 'Patriots' will be an exclusive while 'online' will eventually become Multi

edit: which explains why it's sold separately

[VideoGame mania]

Anyone knows what MGS4's budget is and which game can replace it in the Spring ?
GOW3 and Killzone for Fall ? right ?

[Viper]

So between april and june... I can deal with that.

Sorry Frosty, that's Q1.

Q2 is July to September.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

on a serious note, i believe that 'Patriots' will be an exclusive while 'online' will eventually become Multi

edit: which explains why it's sold separately

Who the fuck said Online would be cross platform aside from some baseless speculation from the 1up show?

edit: Viper, that's 3rd quarter of the year. Get your math right bro!

[Sephiroth_VII]

^ i dont like that way of thinking :P look at duke nukeham and spore.


Im so mad about this i just might kill someone.
NukeHAM?

Hm, it is strange...

the japanese version of the same press release still says first quarter... And it was also released today... so, which version is wrong?
Really?That's very interesting! If they're still aiming for a simultaneous release, and considering that the source is the Japanese Konami site, I'd think the Japanese text would be more accurate, which means that it's still releasing in spring!?

Anyone knows what MGS4's budget is and which game can replace it in the Spring ?
GOW3 and Killzone for Fall ? right ?

No game can replace MGS, you infidel!

Anyway, the budget is in the 2XX millions, IIRC.

[Viper]

Who the fuck said Online would be cross platform aside from some baseless speculation from the 1up show?

edit: Viper, that's 3rd quarter of the year. Get your math right bro!

Lol, you guys are confusing a calendar date with a fiscal date. When a company gives a quarter, it's fiscal, not calendar.

However, is the Q2 a quote from Konami/Sony or just from the media? If it's media, it could be either.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

That occurred to me after I replied to you. :P
But upon reflection I'm not sure which they meant, calendar or fiscal year.

[Diresu]

I am ok waiting for the greatest game ever made.

[Segitz]

The press release doesn't state what they mean...^^ So we do not know yet...

But the japanese site still states Q1 strangely!

[Diresu]

The press release doesn't state what they mean...^^ So we do not know yet...

But the japanese site still states Q1 strangely!

Either way, its done when its done. Perfection is worth waiting for.

[AC!D]

I get the feeling this is the online portion of the games fault. They should have rather focused all their resources on the single player than split them in two. Dammit been waiting for this game so long:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[LiquidEagle]

Either way, its done when its done. Perfection is worth waiting for.

[Shadow Voa]

I am ok waiting for the greatest game ever made.

Chrono Trigger was already made bro. Nothing wrong with second place.

[Diresu]

Chrono Trigger was already made bro. Nothing wrong with second place.

I said perfection, not ancient history.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Ooooh, he's so going to kill you :look:

"runs"

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I said perfection, not ancient history.

I gotta call you back, it's on.

[OG_Monkey]

melons?

[Sephiroth_VII]

melons?

Here you go. (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1725890&postcount=4400)

[Shadow Voa]

I said perfection, not ancient history.

So by ancient you must have meant legendary. It's ok I caught your error, no worries.

[Diresu]

Ooooh, he's so going to kill you :look:

"runs"

Lol, sorry I was one of those people that didn't freak over CT, and metal gear is my favorite series of all time so yea, no competition there.


So by ancient you must have meant legendary. It's ok I caught your error, no worries

Nope, just old, but not cool old...like old snake...just...old.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I dare you to criticize CT one more time. Come on, are you scared? :stirpot:

[Diresu]

I dare you to criticize CT one more time. Come on, are you scared? :stirpot:

Hmm...not really criticism, its a good game, just not better then Metal Gear. Then again, nothing is.

[Shadow Voa]

Nope, just old, but not cool old...like old snake...just...old.

Now..... it's on.

Rendering or not CT's wrath will always be carried out.

[³¹¹]

This fucking delay enrages me. It really boggles the mind what 200+/- developers are doing on this thing WITHOUT giving in to the multi-platform release theory.

[Diresu]

Now..... it's on.

Rendering or not CT's wrath will always be carried out.

Bring it, sister.

[Sephiroth_VII]

[OFFTOPIC]Does anyone else here get an annoying message box from ps3tags.com asking for username and password?

[Diresu]

[OFFTOPIC]Does anyone else here get an annoying message box from ps3tags.com asking for username and password?

Yep..here I thought it was just me.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Same here, but the VOA told over MSN me that he was experiencing the same thing.
I removed the redundant tag from my sig to no avail.

Could it be a virus trying to steal as many username/password combinations as possible, or just a bug?

It didn't appen a few hours ago though...

EDIT: Ok, I don't get it on this new page, so I suspect someone still has one of the old tags in his/her sig, and it's causing problems now that the site is gone. Could I please ask all of you to check your signatures?

[Diresu]

^No idea..didn't bother to check if PS3Tags is a site or not...

[Shadow Voa]

Bring it, sister.

Lol youre so lucky I love MGS or Id throw the gauntlet down on that game, instead... while you were still sucking your thumb real gamers were dropping hours upon hours on the best game ever made. And still to this day its recognized be almost all walks of life as the best game ever. Ranked as the best of the best, one person who didnt get "into it" actually doesnt mean anything.

Y'know how we say everyone has their own opinion? If you didnt like CT then its a basic law of gaming you lose all credibility. You have no say in what makes a game good.

[Diresu]

Lol youre so lucky I love MGS or Id throw the gauntlet down on that game, instead... while you were still sucking your thumb real gamers were dropping hours upon hours on the best game ever made. And still to this day its recognized be almost all walks of life as the best game ever. Ranked as the best of the best, one person who didnt get "into it" actually doesnt mean anything.

Y'know how we say everyone has their own opinion? If you didnt like CT then its a basic law of gaming you lose all credibility. You have no say in what makes a game good.

HEHE, if you say so. The game is good, I agree...though not my favorite game...RPG or otherwise. Sooo....I disagree =P

P.S. I been a gamer for long before CT, so I doubt you got more gaming in you then I =P

[Sephiroth_VII]

^No idea..didn't bother to check if PS3Tags is a site or not...

It is a real site, and most of us had one of their tags in our signature once, which is why I would like to ask everyone who posted on the previous page to check your signatures for redundant image macros/links aimed at ps3tags.com.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I noticed it earlier as well and deleted mine. It was pissing me off.

[Nameless]

I deleted my signature some time ago, but I'm getting this crap popping up today...

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but my 2 cents is that I'm fucking sick of that Navy ad that starts talking to me >:O

Anyhoo, 311, this doesn't give any kind of credibility to any kind of mutiplatform rumor whatsoever dude... 200 + people working on this game doesn't mean it's going to be made on time all the time, it does mean that there is a lot going into this development and it's going to take time -- nobody's even thinking about the things that are going to be in this game (besides the people making MGS4 :-p)

[Shadow Voa]

Delayed.... DAMN YOU PS3!!!!!


C'mon now Konami, a demo... just a small sliver of a demo is all I ask. I just want my MGS4 fix!!

[Passive]

I have to agree with Diresu, I prefer MGS over CT. But then again i prefer MGS over anything. Cept sex.......maybe..

[mario25]

how come this delay initiated the MGS4 on 360 rumor all over the internet again??, I don't get it?

[LiquidEagle]

It didn't.

[chartwel]

how come this delay initiated the MGS4 on 360 rumor all over the internet again??, I don't get it?

neogaf isnt the internet :) though it was amusing to see comments like "yep, pretty much confirms 360 version coming" from people actually being sincere.

not sure how they got that out of the announcement.

[mario25]

a couple of blogs here in my country are saying this is like a confirmation, sorry, and no, GAF is not the internet, hell no.

[frosty]

This Just In... MGS4 goes to 360?

Today Hideo Kojima let something slip that hinted at a possible 360 port of the game to release alongside the PS3 version. During our interview with him, he ripped a magnificent fart that shook the windows and made the paint begin to peel off the walls. This could only mean one thing, that he is working on a 360 port of the game. When we asked him to clarify his position on a 360 port, he simply smiled and said "Pardon me, I think something slipped out there. I'll be right back." and then he exited for the bathroom. More on this story as it develops.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/mgs4to360.html (http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Store/50101)

[Shadow Voa]

Lol its cause its constantly being brought up this stupid rumor wont die until we are playing MGS5.

[LiquidEagle]

So let's stop talking about that bullshit (it's complete bullshit), and continue lamenting the delay, you guys should all still be in mourning!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hmm...not really criticism, its a good game, just not better then Metal Gear. Then again, nothing is.

:shrug:

[OG_Monkey]

Here you go. (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1726659#post1726634)

the point of that?

[frosty]

What delay? I mean, I never heard any date before Q2 2007, were you expecting it to launch in march? I haven't kept up with it though, but I don't mind an extra month or two to polish the game up. This is Sony's Halo 3 (actually it is better IMO, as it will sell like crazy in all 3 markets) so they need it to be perfect.

[Segitz]

What delay? I mean, I never heard any date before Q2 2007, were you expecting it to launch in march? I haven't kept up with it though, but I don't mind an extra month or two to polish the game up. This is Sony's Halo 3 (actually it is better IMO, as it will sell like crazy in all 3 markets) so they need it to be perfect.

I doubt, it'll sell more than Halo 3, but it will sell very well, especially in the other markets than the US.

But we'll see


And, I said it too, we were never expecting it before March, so a "delay" of max 3 months (end of May then) is not so much a biggy anyways!

[satriales]

What delay? I mean, I never heard any date before Q2 2007, were you expecting it to launch in march? I haven't kept up with it though, but I don't mind an extra month or two to polish the game up. This is Sony's Halo 3 (actually it is better IMO, as it will sell like crazy in all 3 markets) so they need it to be perfect.
I was expecting March, but I want the game to be as good as possible so I don't mind waiting a few more months.

[frosty]

I doubt, it'll sell more than Halo 3, but it will sell very well, especially in the other markets than the US.

But we'll see

I don't know about that, even 360 owners want a ps3 for this game alone. This game has generated quite a lot of hype this generation, and it appeals to NA, EU and the Japanese markets which is something Halo cannot claim. We all know how the Japanese love those FPS games.

[Sephiroth_VII]

the point of that?

Ah, wrong link. Fixed.

[Shadow Voa]

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20071102.jpg

[cliffbo]

I don't know about that, even 360 owners want a ps3 for this game alone. This game has generated quite a lot of hype this generation, and it appeals to NA, EU and the Japanese markets which is something Halo cannot claim. We all know how the Japanese love those FPS games.

i think it may well sell a bigger percentage, but obviously as far as numbers sold, that's damn near impossible

[Passive]

that comic is awesome Vao XD

[masteratt]

I strongly disagree.

[JasonXe]

In other news: (heard this in Hotspot poddycastie)

http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/10/25/is-that-a-big-cardboard-box-in-front-of-taco-bell-or-a-robber-in-disguise.aspx


Is that a cardboard box in front of Taco Bell, or a robber in disguise?

Police allege two men made full time jobs out of breaking into and robbing fast food joints around the GTA, hiding themselves inside large cardboard boxes while they meticulously removed glass window panes to gain entry.

Detective Sergeant Reuben Stroble said "“No one would ever think of someone being inside of a box in front of a storefront window in the middle of the night. It was quite a surprise when we saw that,” - Except for Every gamer in the world!!


Imagine the police detective on this case kicking over gu boxes. Exclamation Point!!!

Next evolution would be robbing in barrels.

[GTAce]

Oh no Jacky boy has a new target now. :laugh:

[OmniStalgic]

I don't know about that, even 360 owners want a ps3 for this game alone. This game has generated quite a lot of hype this generation, and it appeals to NA, EU and the Japanese markets which is something Halo cannot claim. We all know how the Japanese love those FPS games.I still doubt it tho, Halo is like Hyped beyond normal games--it's crazy.

But yeah, MGS4 is definitely the most hyped MGS title...Since all the exclusives are turning out to be Not real exclusives and Sony's big franchises are still ways off, MGS is really a big title for PS3 this gen. Possible, but I don't think it will sell as well as halo 3...

[GTAce]

But yeah, MGS34 is definitely the most hyped MGS title...Since all the exclusives are turning out to be Not real exclusives and Sony's big franchises are still ways off, MGS is really a big title for PS3 this gen. Possible, but I don't think it will sell as well as halo 3...
I dont think we will ever see this one but it should be an awesome game. :laugh:

[BluBoi]

New MGS4 video?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27428.html

Ryan Payton says it's a long game, there's 5 unique environments. He mentions 3: Middle East, South America, and Eastern Europe, though we already knew this.

[³¹¹]

Great. Two undisclosed locations? Hmmmm.

It just makes me want the game so much more with every piece of intel I get.

And this intro, I'm really scratching my noggin' over it. Kojima seems to really want to send Snake off with a Big Bo- I mean Bang.

[Kiosko]

Shadow Moses is probally the 4th one.

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, I definitely think Shadow Moses is one of them, and the other one will probably be an all-new location, though it might be NYC (or wherever Arsenal Gear is now...)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

In other news: (heard this in Hotspot poddycastie)

http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/10/25/is-that-a-big-cardboard-box-in-front-of-taco-bell-or-a-robber-in-disguise.aspx



Imagine the police detective on this case kicking over gu boxes. Exclamation Point!!!

Next evolution would be robbing in barrels.

???

"It's just a box."

[julps31]

This games gonna be EPIC!!! lol... 5 locations? Two unannounced? Insane intro? Plus Ryan said this is gonna be a long game. Man..I can't imagine. :cloud9:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I may very well be in tears by the end of this one.

[julps31]

Lmao... You and me both. MGS3 was amazing and extremely memorable. And this sounds like it'll be the finale and they're pretty much pulling out all the stops (not neccesarily the last Metal Gear game..but the finale of the MGS saga). I can't wait...

[masteratt]

Ending of MGS3 and ICO were the only games that got me in tears...

MGS4 is going to have me CRYING hopefully.

[curryking1]

FF VIII had me crying at the end....

One reason was for the awesome, AWESOME ending.....

The second was....

I was like... nooo! It can't be over!!! NOOOOO!!!

:'(

(Thankfully I can replay the game parts over all the time, but the ending and certain scenes in FF, VIII especially, bring me down every time....)

[Bsack]

MGS3 did have a great ending to it. I wish they would make another MGS to explain what made Big Boss go bad and why Snake killed him. I know they made the games on Nintendo a long ass time ago, but I think it would be awesome for them to explain the story in an updated game with today's quality graphics.

[Passive]

MGS3 did have a great ending to it. I wish they would make another MGS to explain what made Big Boss go bad and why Snake killed him. I know they made the games on Nintendo a long ass time ago, but I think it would be awesome for them to explain the story in an updated game with today's quality graphics.


MGPO?
MG?
MG2?

[Red_Eyes]

The fifth location... OUTER HEAVEN.

[JasonXe]

i may consider getting a ps3 if this turns out to be good. I honestly don't know since its the only game I'm interested in.

[LiquidEagle]

i may consider getting a ps3 if this turns out to be good. I honestly don't know since its the only game I'm interested in.

!

[masteratt]

:drunk:
:guns:
:realmad:
:crazy:

!!!

[cliffbo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonXe View Post
i may consider getting a ps3 if this turns out to be good. I honestly don't know since its the only game I'm interested in.



!

well it does make sense. you can't agree that MGS is a system seller and then find it odd that someone will only buy a PS3 when MGS is released lol... think about it ;)

[LiquidEagle]

well it does make sense. you can't agree that MGS is a system seller and then find it odd that someone will only buy a PS3 when MGS is released lol... think about it ;)

I bolded the part that deserved the "!" and that was "if this turns out to be good." As if it's even a question!

MGS4 is going to be GLOOOOOOOOOORIOUS. Beyond belief.

[Diresu]

I bolded the part that deserved the "!" and that was "if this turns out to be good." As if it's even a question!

MGS4 is going to be GLOOOOOOOOOORIOUS. Beyond belief.

Seriously. I mean how awesome is MGS4 going to be...?

[masteratt]

Seriously. I mean how awesome is MGS4 going to be...?


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://static.flickr.com/30/54184430_bcd38c6912.jpg

[cliffbo]

I bolded the part that deserved the "!" and that was "if this turns out to be good." As if it's even a question!

MGS4 is going to be GLOOOOOOOOOORIOUS. Beyond belief.

aaaa... i see now. damn it does deserve a '!'

[JasonXe]

I have my doubts at times. I remember mgs SS being awesome and then my mind blanks from playing SOL or Substance (freaking confusing). That gay ass raiden killed it for me. Hmm mgs SS, fond memories.... the best moment that freaked me out was that psychotic mantis and telling which controller I had. I love that kind of interaction between the game and user. Uggh if they can do that again, then I'm in.

I m kind of on the fence with overdone sequels, Ubi milk the hell out of splinter cell. If Kojima can cut the gay stuff out like raiden, and octagon gay ass, it should be great.

wait wait.. here is this mother fker that ruin mgs for me. He even holds a sword like a pansie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Raiden_&#37;28Metal_Gear%29.jpg
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs9/300W/i/2006/147/4/0/Raiden___Metal_Gear_Solid_2_by_Pure_Soul.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Just..just stop it. You're making my stomach turn.

[GTAce]

Im close before neg repping someone...


RAAAGGGEEE!!!!!11

[LaLiLuLeLo]

And he had the nerve to post a shitty fanart!

[JasonXe]

you like raiden?? My god what has this world gone too :_(.

[Diresu]

you like raiden?? My god what has this world gone too :_(.

Raiden was awesome. He was no snake but then again, no one is.

[julps31]

I have my doubts at times. I remember mgs SS being awesome and then my mind blanks from playing SOL or Substance (freaking confusing). That gay ass raiden killed it for me. Hmm mgs SS, fond memories.... the best moment that freaked me out was that psychotic mantis and telling which controller I had. I love that kind of interaction between the game and user. Uggh if they can do that again, then I'm in.

I m kind of on the fence with overdone sequels, Ubi milk the hell out of splinter cell. If Kojima can cut the gay stuff out like raiden, and octagon gay ass, it should be great.

wait wait.. here is this mother fker that ruin mgs for me. He even holds a sword like a pansie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Raiden_&#37;28Metal_Gear%29.jpg
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs9/300W/i/2006/147/4/0/Raiden___Metal_Gear_Solid_2_by_Pure_Soul.jpg*slaps * Raiden wasn't in MGS3...you have no excuse not to play that lol.

Another slap for spelling Otacons name octagon and callin him gay. :troutslap: lol...

[JasonXe]

I probably hate him for unsuspectingly (to me) taking Snake's place. I had the full intent of playing Snake until I found out that you had to play him. My whole reaction was wtf. It ruined mgs for me and couldn't keep up with the plot. I really wanted to go back but couldn't. Same reason why I can't go back to FF because of the CGI Go-Go all girl dancer music video during the game. It made the great games of the series before it like ff 7 lor mgs ss look like a distant memory and disgrace it. Both times, I threw down my controller in disgust and lost my faith with the series.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

you like raiden?? My god what has this world gone too :_(.

Everyone hates Raiden for all the reasons he was put in MGS2 in the first place.

THIS IS NOT METAL GEAR SOLID 1.
YOU ARE NOT SOLID SNAKE. And as long as you try to be him, you will be met with FAILURE.
UNTIL YOU DISCARD THE IDEAL OF MGS1 AND SOLID SNAKE, AND ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE, AND WHO RAIDEN'S IDENTITY IS, YOU'LL BE MET WITH FAILURE. This is why despite successfully completing every player objective until the very end of the game when you get the sword, (a weapon that is uniquely his) Raiden's character, and by extension, the player, is never given narrative or formal catharsis (satisfaction in lay terms) until the end against the Arsenal Tengu and Solidus.

Now, I can't fucking stand his girlfriend, Rose, chattering idiot, but Raiden is a good character, and everyone just took their frustration of not playing as snake out on him. Because he's not snake. Which is the point.



YOU ARE NOT SOLID SNAKE.

MGS2 is as wacky and frustrating as it was on purpose. That's how goddamn smart Kojima is.

[Shadow Voa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/247e0c8881aa752c189b6cf337b4.gif

Mod Edit: Because we couldn't high five.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

^^I got you, Shadow Voa.

[JasonXe]

May have been smart but you think everybody would of understood his logic? I support his creative vision but it definitely took me out of the world he'd invisioned. Oh well, telling by how big mgs is going to be, it should be a definite adventure. Atm, im still on the fence but the further it comes closer to release, the more I want it

[julps31]

*continues slow clap* :clap:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

May have been smart but you think everybody would of understood his logic? I support his creative vision but it definitely took me out of the world he'd invisioned. Oh well, telling by how big mgs is going to be, it should be a definite adventure. Atm, im still on the fence but the further it comes closer to release, the more I want it

But it wasn't just smart. It was a bold move to betray people's expectations the way he did. Because he understood, and understands how gamer's think, our biases, our predispositions and he went against them in a very particular way. He didn't make a shitty unplayable game, he fucked with everyone from a very formal design position, and everything that is crazy, different, infuriating, frustrating, satisfying, and confusing about MGS2 feeds back into itself to support it's whole argument in the first place.

The character of the rookie Raiden is so important to metal gear solid 2 because the theme is memes (to make a shitty rhyme), cultural memories passed on from generation to generation, and how we can't shape our present lives based on cultural memories of our past, which is the ultimate lesson of the story and really the gameplay.

You are not snake. Kojima presents us with a character who some of us probably would hate to admit is more like our real selves than snake ever would be. Even though Raiden is trained and a perfectly capable killing machine, he's reluctant, confused, being deceived the whole way through, unsure of himself, and would honestly rather be somewhere else besides a terrorist action trying to save the free world against impossible odds.
(paraphrasing)
Colonel: You need to find a node.
Raiden: Did you say nerd?
Colonel: Not nerd, node.

And another:

Raiden: I've completed over 300 missions in VR. I feel like some kind of legendary mercenary...
Colonel: Okay..we'll skip that part...

[JasonXe]

But it wasn't just smart. It was a bold move to betray people's expectations the way he did. Because he understood, and understands how gamer's think, our biases, our predispositions and he went against them in a very particular way. He didn't make a shitty unplayable game, he fucked with everyone from a very formal design position, and everything that is crazy, different, infuriating, frustrating, satisfying, and confusing about MGS2 feeds back into itself to support it's whole argument in the first place.

The character of the rookie Raiden is so important to metal gear solid 2 because the theme is memes (to make a shitty rhyme), cultural memories passed on from generation to generation, and how we can't shape our present lives based on cultural memories of our past, which is the ultimate lesson of the story and really the gameplay.

You are not snake. Kojima presents us with a character who some of us probably would hate to admit is more like our real selves than snake ever would be. Even though Raiden is trained and a perfectly capable killing machine, he's reluctant, confused, being deceived the whole way through, unsure of himself, and would honestly rather be somewhere else besides a terrorist action trying to save the free world against impossible odds.
(paraphrasing)
Colonel: You need to find a node.
Raiden: Did you say nerd?
Colonel: Not nerd, node.

And another:

Raiden: I've completed over 300 missions in VR. I feel like some kind of legendary mercenary...
Colonel: Okay..we'll skip that part...

He definitely did... i don't know if I'm ready for another metal gear. I feel like I'm past my prime with games, I need something simple or baby-ish in plot. I'm going to play Gears now :-)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hahahah.. Yeah not trying to brow beat you, just saying, 'well how about this angle.' :cheers:

[Red_Eyes]

*continues slow clap* :clap:

And slowly, one by one, peoples of Earth stood up and join in the slow clapping. And the sound grew louder and louder, until it could be heard from Heaven. And then God looked down upon Earth from Heaven... and he... stood up... and...
clapped.

[julps31]

:lol:

[curryking1]

Everyone hates Raiden for all the reasons he was put in MGS2 in the first place.

THIS IS NOT METAL GEAR SOLID 1.
YOU ARE NOT SOLID SNAKE. And as long as you try to be him, you will be met with FAILURE.
UNTIL YOU DISCARD THE IDEAL OF MGS1 AND SOLID SNAKE, AND ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE, AND WHO RAIDEN'S IDENTITY IS, YOU'LL BE MET WITH FAILURE. This is why despite successfully completing every player objective until the very end of the game when you get the sword, (a weapon that is uniquely his) Raiden's character, and by extension, the player, is never given narrative or formal catharsis (satisfaction in lay terms) until the end against the Arsenal Tengu and Solidus.

Now, I can't fucking stand his girlfriend, Rose, chattering idiot, but Raiden is a good character, and everyone just took their frustration of not playing as snake out on him. Because he's not snake. Which is the point.



YOU ARE NOT SOLID SNAKE.

MGS2 is as wacky and frustrating as it was on purpose. That's how goddamn smart Kojima is.

Omg.. that was unbelievable... you're my hero LALILULEMOTHER***KINGLO (my bad...).

Good second response too man...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/247e0c8881aa752c189b6cf337b4.gif

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Man I typed that shit not masteratt.

Edit: Masteratt is nowhere to be seen on this page! :rant:

Okay everything is cool :)

[XboxEvolved]

A few things about Raiden:
1- He sort of kind is in MGS3..if you see the resemblance.
2- Even Solid Snake thinks he's fruity
3- How does he get a cold for being naked? Solid Snake smoked cigarettes out in fucking Alaska while it was snowing and didn't so much as sneeze while wearing that tight ass muscle hugging suit
4- The first part of MGS2 (with Snake) was some of the most epic gangster shit in videogame history

Hideo Kojima isn't this mastermind you guys are making him out to be, he..
borrows his ideas from B-Movies and makes at best, another B-Movie within a game. MGS1 was great for it's direction, visuals, sound, etc, MGS2 the same thing, but the story in MGS2 got really loopy, MGS4, the next continuation I can only hope that he makes something a bit more coherent.

Still, I find it funny that MGS4 was used to push the PS3, yet MGS4 is being delayed probably because of how hard the PS3 is to use. I mean at this point, I am almost willing to bet they don't release MGS4 in US until fall 2008. Am I the only other person that remembers the E3 2006 Konami conference pamphlet that had a Xbox 360 logo and a scribble that said "Dear Mr. Kojima, Jump In?"

Just saying...there are easier systems out there to develop for..

P.S.: Solid Snake= Kurt Russell look it up

[LaLiLuLeLo]

His narrative isn't the brilliant part. the brilliant part are the themes he employs and the way he makes the gameplay tie into those themes.

and a rebuttle:

1- Yeah, in Ivan Raidenovich Raikov
2- No he doesn't, he's just so badass everyone looks gay next to Snake.
3- Snake got colds in MGS1 if he spent too much time in the cold locker.
4- Yep. It's set up to reacclamate you with the MGS1 'map' before completely throwing it out the window, where Kojima goes SURPRISE BITCHES! NEW GAME.

-Yes, yes he is.
-It still ain't coming to 360, stop whining.

[Jay Gee]

Just saying...there are easier systems out there to develop for..
Easier to break down on you before you reach the final cutscene and have to wait a week or two (or three) before you get your system back and find out how the game ends too.

Just saying...

[curryking1]

One, because the temperature in Arsenal was cold. Did you not see him breathing out air that instantly turned into a vapour?

Secondly, Snake does get sick. He can contract a cold in the Tanker Mission of MGS2.

Thirdly, Snake was injected with anti-freezing peptides before he was sent into Shadow Moses.

Fourthly, exactly, that is what Solid Snake is. Badass. Everyone who stands next to Snake is not badass during that time. He looks down on everyone because he's so badass (not literally). Raiden was not intended to be badass. Get some education from Lali's post.

Your own post is a big 'blah.' The fact alone that you missed all these things in MGS1 and 2 speaks for how much you even could hope to understand about it's intracacies.

Are you offending me? No. You're just wasting everybody's time.


Still, I find it funny that MGS4 was used to push the PS3, yet MGS4 is being delayed probably because of how hard the PS3 is to use. I mean at this point, I am almost willing to bet they don't release MGS4 in US until fall 2008. Am I the only other person that remembers the E3 2006 Konami conference pamphlet that had a Xbox 360 logo and a scribble that said "Dear Mr. Kojima, Jump In?"


What relevance do either of these have towards each other? Is it that MGS4 is one of the biggest gaming undertakings in history in terms of sheer content or is it that the game is so valuable that even MS would send out pamphlets asking it's director to put it on their system?


Easier to break down on you before you reach the final cutscene and have to wait a week or two (or three) before you get your system back and find out how the game ends too.

Just saying...

That's not what matters. I know you're smarter than that Jay. Don't fight fire with fire. Fight foolishness and ignorance with clarity and intelligence.

What matters is that one system doesn't align with MGS4's design philosophies. One does. That's why it's on the PS3, no two ways about it.

[Diresu]

Just saying...there are easier systems out there to develop for..

Yea since we all know the reason MGS1 was on the Playstation because it was easier to develop for, and MGS2 was on ps2 because it was easier to develop for...oh wait..Keep hanging on to that hope that it will come to the 360 though.

I think it speaks VOLUMES for the series when a rumor like that just refuses to die, but then again, wanting it on there don't mean it will happen. Sooo, unless hell freezes over or Kojima announces otherwise, to play MGS4 you need that machine with the Cell Processor (Key to winning the console war)


Everything else you said was well covered by Lali and Curry.

Peace.

[Jay Gee]

That's not what matters. I know you're smarter than that Jay. Don't fight fire with fire. Fight foolishness and ignorance with clarity and intelligence.
I like to get grimy and "in the trenches" with those of his ilk sometimes, forgive me.:D

[LiquidEagle]

I didn't know somebody could be so wrong before...

[Red_Eyes]

Whoa. Wrong day to post, XboxEvolved. All these hungry PS3 fans are about to tear you apart. Hahaha.

[JasonXe]

Took the attention away from me mawhahahaha

:::Does Cloud's Winning Battle Theme::

[LiquidEagle]

Whoa. Wrong day to post, XboxEvolved. All these hungry PS3 fans are about to tear you apart. Hahaha.

Not PS3 fans, MGS experts :-p

[Diresu]

Not PS3 fans, MGS experts :-p

Indubitably...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Xbox, being a mod doesn't mean you can insult and anger people like this all the time.

I know you're bored, but stay out of the PSINext section if you don't have anything relevant to add.

[masteratt]

lol I didn't even care because you knew he was talking out his ass.

If it felt genuine however :guns:

Like months of Gears Of War vs MGS4 shit I had to put up with :realmad:

[XboxEvolved]

Easier to break down on you before you reach the final cutscene and have to wait a week or two (or three) before you get your system back and find out how the game ends too.
Cheaper systems to play just one game also, just saying...

Also, Alaska is goddamn cold, and a freezer is below zero, I stand corrected about Snake sneezing, but he is still a hardass with liquid hot blood and he pisses broken glass and rusty nails (probably, this is just a theory)


What relevance do either of these have towards each other? Is it that MGS4 is one of the biggest gaming undertakings in history in terms of sheer content or is it that the game is so valuable that even MS would send out pamphlets asking it's director to put it on their system?
MS didn't do that, Konami did.

Also Diresu, MGS2 did come to Xbox.

Also, I don't give a shit that Raiden is meant to be a pussy compared to Snake, you, saying that he is green, and puss-style in MGS2 just proves my point. Now in MGS4, Kojima seems to have at least made him gangster. That is all, I'm done.

[Diresu]

Also Diresu, MGS2 did come to Xbox

I am aware of that. I was talking about 4 hence the Cell reference.

[Red_Eyes]

Xbox, being a mod doesn't mean you can insult and anger people like this all the time.

I know you're bored but stay out of the PSINext section if you don't have anything relevant to add.

LOL. Weird. Never knew he was a mod. I've always thought he was just trolling. Hahaha.

[GTAce]

4- The first part of MGS2 (with Snake) was some of the most epic gangster shit in videogame history

Also, I don't give a shit that Raiden is meant to be a pussy compared to Snake, you, saying that he is green, and puss-style in MGS2 just proves my point. Now in MGS4, Kojima seems to have at least made him gangster.

:duh:


Xbox, being a mod doesn't mean you can insult and anger people like this all the time.

I know you're bored but stay out of the PSINext section if you don't have anything relevant to add.

:clap:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Also, I don't give a shit that Raiden is meant to be a pussy compared to Snake, you, saying that he is green, and puss-style in MGS2 just proves my point. Now in MGS4, Kojima seems to have at least made him gangster. That is all, I'm done.

Raiden isn't meant to be 'pussy,' he's meant to be NOT Snake. Keep up.

[cliffbo]

still talking about Raiden?! i actually liked him, even though he has a doubtful sexuality

[XboxEvolved]

No, I'm pretty sure Kojima meant to make him pussy, see that is the great thing about Kojima, he makes you think you are going to be a badass and BAM puss-central.

In all seriousness though, it does suck that MGS4 isn't coming out for another good bit. I remember being at E3 2005 and they gave you some flyer for it, and it got me going, then at E3 2006 they had probably the most epic trailer for a videogame ever. I think I sat down and watched it on that huge ass screen with my neck cranned up in a position it shouldn't have to at least three times.

[Segitz]

No, I'm pretty sure Kojima meant to make him pussy, see that is the great thing about Kojima, he makes you think you are going to be a badass and BAM puss-central.

In all seriousness though, it does suck that MGS4 isn't coming out for another good bit. I remember being at E3 2005 and they gave you some flyer for it, and it got me going, then at E3 2006 they had probably the most epic trailer for a videogame ever. I think I sat down and watched it on that huge ass screen with my neck cranned up in a position it shouldn't have to at least three times.

I remember reading a interview with Kojima in which he said something along the lines, that he made Raiden to appeal to the female and less action oriented gamer, which, in essence, flopped. Yes it sold well and yes it was a good game, but in the end, many people from the MGS crowd complained (me as well).

I don't care if the meme theme fits Raiden and that GW and all the stuff was spun quiet nicely, but I was still let down very much... I do not want to persuade anyone into my thinking, I just want to tell, how I felt about all this... I was let down, really. And to make matters worth, the very uncool (Raiden was NOT cool, no matter what you are saying^^) and whatever Raiden now gets a "coolness" makeover in MGS4 for (at least now) no reason whatsoever. It is just... how shall I put it... It is, as if you buy a cool looking car, which has no power whatsoever and then telling all your friends it packs a punch... And then, when they want to measure it, you fit in a new engine beforehand... It IS cheating^^

[cliffbo]

what if the surprise is that Raiden is an hermaphrodite?

[GTAce]

Like Cartmans "mother"? :laugh:

[Bsack]

I didn't think Raiden was a pussy at all. I disagree with probably everyone's negative view of him. He was just an inexperienced rookie that was being put into the middle of a catastrophe, mentally and physically. Look at him in MGS4, does he look pussy to you? That's Raiden with a bit more experience under his belt and the confidence of Snake himself.

[Red_Eyes]

I didn't think Raiden was a pussy at all. I disagree with probably everyone's negative view of him. He was just an inexperienced rookie that was being put into the middle of a catastrophe, mentally and physically. Look at him in MGS4, does he look pussy to you? That's Raiden with a bit more experience under his belt and the confidence of Snake himself.
Yea, the whole point, or at least Ocealot thought was, to take a nobody and make him into another Snake by making him experience things similar to Snake.

[Bsack]

^^agreed!

[Diresu]

I didn't think Raiden was a pussy at all. I disagree with probably everyone's negative view of him. He was just an inexperienced rookie that was being put into the middle of a catastrophe, mentally and physically. Look at him in MGS4, does he look pussy to you? That's Raiden with a bit more experience under his belt and the confidence of Snake himself.

I am with you on this one. Always like Raiden. Also, I won't go over it but lali explained perfectly what Raiden was suppose to represent. To bad that type of theme and story is to over the head of most people it seems.

[XboxEvolved]

Well obviously someone in the MGS universe thought he was to pussed out because they made him a badass ninja with feet that grab swords that bust Metal Gear robot asses, while fighting a gay vampire.

Also, I am getting a condenscending feel from some of the fans here like I don't "get" Raiden. I understand the themes, I understand he was being trained, I just didn't like it, the first part of MGS2 was perfect in every single way, and it was a punch in the balls to have to play him, even if he did have a little neat flip thing he did..now the plothole filled MGS2 story is another thing all together, but overall, even with being Raiden I throughly enjoyed the game, so it says a lot about the game when I can enjoy the experience with a character I don't much care for all the way through.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well obviously someone in the MGS universe thought he was to pussed out because they made him a badass ninja with feet that grab swords that bust Metal Gear robot asses, while fighting a gay vampire.


Kojima accepted the fans' reaction to Raiden, that's really it. He said so himself. He disagrees with the fanbase's reaction, but he understands the role he plays as a content creator, so after making fun of Raiden for 4 years after the Release of MGS2, (to again, cater to the fanbase's negative reaction) he brought him back as a badass to shut everyone up.

[Diresu]

Well obviously someone in the MGS universe thought he was to pussed out because they made him a badass ninja with feet that grab swords that bust Metal Gear robot asses, while fighting a gay vampire.

Also, I am getting a condenscending feel from some of the fans here like I don't "get" Raiden. I understand the themes, I understand he was being trained, I just didn't like it, the first part of MGS2 was perfect in every single way, and it was a punch in the balls to have to play him, even if he did have a little neat flip thing he did..now the plothole filled MGS2 story is another thing all together, but overall, even with being Raiden I throughly enjoyed the game, so it says a lot about the game when I can enjoy the experience with a character I don't much care for all the way through.

Its fine if you don't like him as long as you understand the point behind it. Also, he is badass now because well, he got more experienced and that was sort of the point. He became somewhat of a hardened veteran now. So in essence that shows of his progression and transformation. Going from a green rookie (remember Meryl from MGS1 being exact same way almost) to a soldier closer to Snake (at least closer then he was before)

EDIT: Yea what Lali said, just my version is how I tie it to the story of MGS. He flat out said I will make EVERYONE love Raiden, hence the crazy-ass ninja moves.

[Smokey]

raiden was a pussy

[Passive]

No he wasnt lol. He was a total bad ass lol. He just had the misfortune of having REALLYGAY hair.

[XboxEvolved]

No, Raiden probably just got badassed up from the ninja suit--take the fruitiest person in the world and put him in a ninja suit that lets you break dance with swords in your feet and you sir are a total badass.

[Segitz]

Well, all in all, Raiden now is just Gray Fox with a different name... what a twist (and "lame" attempt to make Raiden cool imho).

But I agree with the view, that Ocelot wanted to create another Snake thru such experiences!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Also, Alaska is goddamn cold, and a freezer is below zero, I stand corrected about Snake sneezing, but he is still a hardass with liquid hot blood and he pisses broken glass and rusty nails (probably, this is just a theory)
His suit was designed especially for operations in below-zero temperatures, and contained an advanced heating system. Snake had also been injected with nanomachines to keep him warm, IIRC.


MS didn't do that, Konami did.
Common misconception.
The page with the 360 logo in the MGS4 folder was an ad paid for by Microsoft, it wasn't made by Konami.


LOL. Weird. Never knew he was a mod. I've always thought he was just trolling. Hahaha.
A supermod, actually, which gives him mod powers in all sections.

Well, all in all, Raiden now is just Gray Fox with a different name... what a twist (and "lame" attempt to make Raiden cool imho).

But I agree with the view, that Ocelot wanted to create another Snake thru such experiences!!

It's Kojima, so there'll be a good explanation for this, and it'll work ;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No, Raiden probably just got badassed up from the ninja suit--take the fruitiest person in the world and put him in a ninja suit that lets you break dance with swords in your feet and you sir are a total badass.

Okay now you're just belligerently ignoring facts I've heard from Kojima's mouth himself.

It's also worth noting long before MGS4 was revealed I predicted Raiden would return as the ninja. He got the sword at the end of 2, it was clear he would. He would come back battle hardened and matured from the lessons he learned at Big Shell, and from Snake; an experienced soldier.

[curryking1]

His suit was designed especially for operations in below-zero temperatures, and contained an advanced heating system. Snake had also been injected with nanomachines to keep him warm, IIRC.

Not nanomachines, proteins (anti-freezing peptides). :)

Maybe the foxdie was part nanomachines tho lol :P

[Sephiroth_VII]

Ah, you're right. Been a while since I played MGS1 ;)

[JasonXe]

raiden was a pussy

[Segitz]

Well... yeah... As I said, Kojima essentially made Raiden Gray Fox... and he just is not Gray Fox...

I don't doubt Kojimas massive talent in storytelling, so his explanation of why Raiden is now Raiden may very well be good, but...

if MGS2 was a proper Solid Snake experience, we didn't have this "problem" from the get go. See, Kojima essentially does what politicians do, when they did a mistake and have to make up for it... Make it sound more like honey instead of tapwater

[julps31]

raiden was a pussyHave YOU ever killed a man with your bare hands? Have you taken out hand fulls of arsenal Tengu at once? Have you ever destroyed a robot the size of two monster trucks staked on top of each other single handedly?? Well??? Didn't think so... ;)

[curryking1]

Also, how many other characters are killing machines when they are just a child? Raiden was a 1337 child soldier.

30 or so Metal Gear Rays on Extreme too :)

[Bsack]

Raiden was awesome an awesome character and I bet there are plenty of people that are actually gay that can kick the shit out of a straight man regardless of how they look. I'm just saying. =/

[JasonXe]

Have YOU ever killed a man with your bare hands? Have you taken out hand fulls of arsenal Tengu at once? Have you ever destroyed a robot the size of two monster trucks staked on top of each other single handedly?? Well??? Didn't think so... ;)

yes i did, have you?

[Passive]

Thank you for the back up lol and saying things i was planning to say but was to damn tired. Raiden wasn't a pussy in my eyes, ever. His story made him totally hardcore from the go. Just the hair pissed me off a little but who cares about that. He's got the combat skills, the history of a child soldier and lets ot forget those pretty friggen awesome tats :P I dont think he's cool because he's in the suit now (well that does add to his awsomeness) but it was pretty leet in my eyes to begin with, just not as good as snake.

Give it up those who think raiden was a pussy :P Go play MGS2 again and listen to the fucking game.

[julps31]

yes i did, have you?Simulation of my day to day life - :gunner: :matrix: :rocket: :fighting:

[Jay Gee]

The things Raiden did were all sorts of badass. It's just that he looked like a fairy while doing them. Taking on a Harrier, slicing up the Arsenal Tengu, fucking up a shitload of Metal Gear Rays. All of this was incredible. It's just that he looked so damn goofy in the process of. The only Bishounen guy I can stand is KOF's Benimaru Nikaido. Broken English FTW "Do you underSTAND?!"

Bishy Raiden just didn't work for me.

[JasonXe]

Cloud is more gangsta than Radien lol j/p

[Jay Gee]

I can't really count Cloud as bishounen simply because most bishounen characters aren't constantly drowning in a sea of their own angst.

[julps31]

The things Raiden did were all sorts of badass. It's just that he looked like a fairy while doing them. Taking on a Harrier, slicing up the Arsenal Tengu, fucking up a shitload of Metal Gear Rays. All of this was incredible. It's just that he looked so damn goofy in the process of. The only Bishounen guy I can stand is KOF's Benimaru Nikaido. Broken English FTW "Do you underSTAND?!"

Bishy Raiden just didn't work for me.I definantly wouldn't call Raiden a bad ass. But is he a pussy (I guess thats the word of the day lol)? lol...

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1731242&postcount=4576

Refer to above post...^

[JasonXe]

I can't really count Cloud as bishounen simply because most bishounen characters aren't constantly drowning in a sea of their own angst.

You think Radien can handle Omnislash and neo bahamut? shit nez lol. Forget about Cloud, Radien from Mortal Kombat can take on Radien from mgs.

j/p, im bored

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Why do you keep spelling it Radien? It's Raiden.

[Jay Gee]

He referred to both Raiden's as "Radien." LMAO!

[Passive]

Not even snake could take on neo bahamut you twit. ffs lol stop comparing a fantasy character to a realism character. It's a dumb idea so dont do it.

Raiden Is a kick ass character, get over it :P Seriously i have no idea why anyone could think raiden was a sissy (better than pussy). He has been through so much shit since he was a child which 99.5&#37; of the worlds population wouldnt survive through. Stop seeing his physical image and judging him purely on the blonde flowing hair and the slender build, its a stupid way of seeing who he is. IF you actually listened to MGS2s cut scenes and codecs then you would know how hardcore he is. But no doubt anyone who says raiden sucks is either comparing him to snake or skipped most of the codecs and scenes in MGS2. both very dumb ideas. Dont compare snake to anyone because they will just look silly :P and play through MGS2 again if you skipped the scenes because its a kick ass game with a really good story (just ignore fatman lol)

I know you all were hoping to play solid snake in the first ps2 MGS game but get over your little bitch fest about raiden taking over for a game. Its pathetic and lame. He served as a refreshing change from snake and im glad kojima made the change because if you played as snake through 2 i bet some people on here would be saying they are sick of snake. Instead we played as someone who was a sort of sleeker version of snake, he's skinnier, faster but a little green. I dont hold that against the character so why do others? No im not saying be like me, i play WoW so dont be like me :P Im saying stop anting the same thing churned out over and over. dont conform the the change is bad idealism that halo 3 went with. Thats what makes the MGS series so damn good in my opinion because the way each game is different.

I bet if there is a part in MGS4 where you get to play as raiden none of you will bitch. Because he looks cool now.


/very annoyed rant

[LaLiLuLeLo]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.

[JasonXe]

He referred to both Raiden's as "Radien." LMAO!

ahh, finally someone notice lol. There both fantasy characters btw.

[Passive]

Raiden isn't a fantasy character. He's a fictional character based on realism. Cloud is a fantasy fictional character.

[Gummy]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.

:high five:

[Bsack]

Raiden isn't a fantasy character. He's a fictional character based on realism. Cloud is a fantasy fictional character.

I don't think the game itself is based on realistic physics. Do you think Raiden in MGS4 would be able to stab himself and still be able to do all the crazy ass fighting if it was realistic. The nature of the game is kinda real, but when you get to the parts where people start using their special abilities that's when it takes a very quick downfall from realistic. In a sense you can kind of compare it to like Xmen or something because they have those weird magic powers.

[Passive]

:lol:

Sorry i had to lol at that. Raiden didnt even feel that through his stomach. the only part of raiden left is his spine and head. The game is alot more real that FFVII. It's based in the future too so dont say cyborgs are bullshit :P and xmen is still more believeable that FF games. i didnt see monsters xmen? or demons? or any of that i saw the next evolution of the human race. the members of Dead cell and or foxhound are just the next evolution or a victim of genetic testing.

Yes im pissed off because people keep tyring to prove me wrong.

[Segitz]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.


What about MG 1 and 2?

The Acids had some stange stories, especially the second one, so they don't count (Snake being a clone and whatnot

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Not since 1. You play as Solid Snake in MGS2 for about 2 hours (if you're slow) and that's just to set the player up for the MGS1 "roadmap" expectations that we all had, to be thrown into MGS2 proper which is Raiden's character.

[Passive]

Segitz Lali did mean MG1 MG2 and MGS1. MGS3 was naked snake/jack/big boss remember? not snake? and you play as raiden in MGS2. So yes MGS4 will be the 3rd Solid Snake game.

[Bsack]

Who's trying to prove you wrong? You've made it clear that you're dorky enough yourself by trying to know everything there is that pertains to video games. What's your explanation of the people with the super human powers in MGS3? That took place or seemed as if it took place around WW2.

And as of now cyborgs are not realistic nor do they seem to be coming about in our life time. Keep it real bud. I never said FF seemed real now did I?

[curryking1]

^Guys chill lol.

All Passive meant is that MGS is to be grounded realistically, not be absolutely real. He means in the environment and the capability of the regular person. MGS is 'grounded' in reality (general concepts of stealth, the environment developed with real world climates/areas in mind) even if it has supernatural beings and cyborgs and Octocamo and whatever else in it as well.

[Segitz]

Segitz Lali did mean MG1 MG2 and MGS1. MGS3 was naked snake/jack/big boss remember? not snake? and you play as raiden in MGS2. So yes MGS4 will be the 3rd Solid Snake game.

What the heck... how could I miss all that^^

Man, I am bad^^

[³¹¹]

Yeah MGS4 closes the trilogy.

[Passive]

I still dont consider the snake games a trilogy :P as they are a part of the story. it not like you say there are 2 star wars trilogies. one for luke and one for ani. (although i argue that all 6 are about ani/darth)

[Bsack]

^^They are about ani/darth vader.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah MGS4 closes the trilogy.

...but...it's quadrilogy at this point. You can have a trilogy with 4 installments. :spit:

[masteratt]

lol I had to check if quadrilogy was a word :doh:

Should be though, we can use it to describe the MGS saga.

[curryking1]

Or you could just call it a trilogy with one prequel....

Idiot! :P

[masteratt]

That's not very catchy though.

Yeah MGS is a great trilogy with a prequel.
BOO!


Now let's test the quadrilogy style:

Yeah MGS is a great quadrilogy.
Awesome!

[curryking1]

Quadrilogies are for dum dums. :P

[Passive]

SIF! thats blasphemy! what about the Alien Quadrilogy?! awesome films!

[cliffbo]

SIF! thats blasphemy! what about the Alien Quadrilogy?! awesome films!

i think that proves Curry's point. 1 and 2 great... the others shite

[curryking1]

Hmm, I didn't really mean to have a point there lol :P

But I guess.... except I've never watched the Alien films lol.

[seahorse]

the word's tetralogy.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Is that right? Cool. Not as fun to say as quadrilogy though.

[seahorse]

yeah...

tri = 3
tetra = 4
penta = 5

...or something