Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Grovestreet]

Before I get a PS3, I have a question about online, can you get a wireless adaptor similar to the 360(this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Wireless-Bridge/dp/B000AYTQ7O/ref=pd_bbs_1/203-7421365-5377506?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1185395789&sr=8-1)) It goes into the back of your console, much easier to get online.

P.S. Can someone link me a HD MGS4 Demonstration Video please?

[GTAce]

You dont need an adaptor.
The PS3 has build in Wi-Fi.

[Grovestreet]

Oh nice, never knew, much easier to get online then?

Thanks for telling me dude:thumbl:

[yoshaw]

Search for BrueWayne's posts a few pages back. +rep him too. Nice chap uploaded the IGN vid for all of us!!!

Keep bringing the cookies Bruce, we're all cookie monsters here.

[GTAce]

Oh nice, never knew, much easier to get online then?

Thanks for telling me dude:thumbl:

No prob, dont know how easy it is i use cable.^^
Just search in the forums i think you will find some help etc.

[Epix]

Bruce, what happened to MegaUpload? File too big?

[yoshaw]

He did upload it there. But Megaupload won't allow 'any of us' to download unless we're a paid member. Free downloading is only allowed upto 500mb n no more. So his time uploading all went to waste. Filefront rocks by the way.

[Epix]

^ Damn, that sucks. How about RapidShare?

[Passive]

I....... cant..... stop...............watching.......demonstration... ............ gah!!

[GTAce]

^ Damn, that sucks. How about RapidShare?

Download the MP-4 from Gamersyde.
Thats the vid from that i made my 59 screenshots that i posted a few pages back lol.

[Epix]

Download the MP-4 from Gamersyde.
Thats the vid from that i made my 59 screenshots that i posted a few pages back lol.I'll just download the JPN store video.

[GTAce]

Or this way. 8)

Is the quality good?

[Passive]

the JPN store vid is 720P

and according to this (http://www.videogamesplus.ca/product_info.php?cPath=370_474&products_id=13097) store release march 3rd?

highly doubt it true :P but still haha

[julps31]

Download the MP-4 from Gamersyde.
Thats the vid from that i made my 59 screenshots that i posted a few pages back lol.Speaking of I'll go ahead and download those screens now. See what quality you working with.

[Passive]

:spit: :lol:

I LOL'd till the cows came home. :laugh: OMG, my ribs!!!


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Here's a breakdown of who's who by the way

http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07302/lolgif050s.gif

:lol: I'm the shy type, u know. hehe

LMFAO!!!!!!!!! sorry to quote this up again but i didnt see this, i was asleep!! omg thats awesome!! XD Reppage for you my friend! ha!

[Grovestreet]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/joeorc/th2jd5ef52.gif

Lol pwnt.

[GTAce]

:lol:

[Passive]

^^ lmfao!! ^^


reppage for you too!

[HighOnSunoco]

dang it gametrailers.com is taking too long to buffer, going to try ign

[GTAce]

Take Gamersyde they have an 1280x720 MP-4 and BruceWayne has a .wmv 1280x720 IGN Insider on filefront a few pages back. :)

[Passive]

GT is probably getting heavy traffic, id imagine IGN will be close to the same buffer speed. Try streaming it in Quicktime instead of Windows media, it does it better.

[HighOnSunoco]

yep will do, like you said IGN is being hammer too

it plays for thirty secs then buffering

[Passive]

Yeah my adivce is just stream it in QT on GT you can see how much is downloaded then, and its a seekable.

[Mhi]

Just seen the video and its amazing.

[cliffbo]

http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07302/lolgif050s.gif

plus rep!!! LOLOLOLLLLLOOLLAAMOOOAAAHHHH!

edit: why can't i +rep!?

[Passive]

^ :lol: i love it. Yoshaw breaking the sound barrier in his car, Z hangin out the side looking hip and cool (or doing the dog thing) and the Myself, GTAce, VG and Cliff looking like we are rockin out but really we are holding on for our dear lives because yoshaw isnt really the shy type, he bottles up all his emotions and lets it all out when he drives.


he's fkn crazy imo.

[Luis]

:lol:

[cliffbo]

^ :lol: i love it. Yoshaw breaking the sound barrier in his car, Z hangin out the side looking hip and cool (or doing the dog thing) and the Myself, GTAce, VG and Cliff looking like we are rockin out but really we are holding on for our dear lives because yoshaw isnt really the shy type, he bottles up all his emotions and lets it all out when he drives.



he's fkn crazy imo.

i can't understand how Yoshaw managed to get such a close likeness of me... it's weird i tell ya!

[Passive]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6636/untitled1tc3.gif

lol im really sorry Yoshaw i just cant help a good photoshop. XD

[Grovestreet]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7447/pmcbattlely6.jpg

There's just something about this little scene with the 2 PMC's behind the Sandbags and the one just to the right of them shooting up at the Milita, it just seems like a movie or something, I like how they cooperate aswell with their hands... GOD I LOVE MGS!!!!

[Passive]

you and me both man ^^ EVERYTHING about that clip has me impressed. the gameplay of MGS4 has far exceeded my expectations, the minimal HUD, the realistic battlefeild, the controls, the sneaking suit, the combat, the fps mode, the things going on around you, the clear, crisp sound effects. the clean, smooth animations the AI, the way the weapons (looks like) they play, with the recoil and such. even the paper being blown around or the dead bodies getting moved by bullets hitting them.

Absolutly everything impressed me.

[Grovestreet]

One thing I wanna know though, seeing as you can side with the PMC or the Militia, how is siding with the PMC's gonna work? Is Snake gonna have to steal a uniform the PMC wears? I very much doubt that Snake can just start helping the PMC, seeing as he hasn't got their Uniform, but the Milita...thats a different story, they dont seem to give a damn what Snake is wearing, aslong as he fires at their main enemy...The PMC Soldiers :p

Btw, what do you think of my Sig?

[GTAce]

I think when he killed the militia the PMCs wouldnt shoot on him or it was just made like that for the demonstration.

Your sig is cool.^^

[Passive]

One thing I wanna know though, seeing as you can side with the PMC or the Militia, how is siding with the PMC's gonna work? Is Snake gonna have to steal a uniform the PMC wears? I very much doubt that Snake can just start helping the PMC, seeing as he hasn't got their Uniform, but the Milita...thats a different story, they dont seem to give a damn what Snake is wearing, aslong as he fires at their main enemy...The PMC Soldiers :p

Btw, what do you think of my Sig?

Only time will tell on that grove.


and god yes! :D love it

[gibmonster]

Just watched the MGS4 demonstration. That was amazing. The barrel roll and the statue were hilarious and those action sequences were very intense. The size and the openess of the levels is stunning.

[Grovestreet]

Goddamn it I cant get enough of it! I have watched it so many times now, especially the Battle Scene, brilliant stuff!

I also really like the way the PMC Cooperate by doing Hand Signals, watching each others back, spreading out into groups, Real Tactics that the Army use in real life.

I JUST FREAKING LOVE IT!:thumbl:

[yoshaw]

http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07302/lolgif050s.gif

plus rep!!! LOLOLOLLLLLOOLLAAMOOOAAAHHHH!

edit: why can't i +rep!?


^ :lol: i love it. Yoshaw breaking the sound barrier in his car, Z hangin out the side looking hip and cool (or doing the dog thing) and the Myself, GTAce, VG and Cliff looking like we are rockin out but really we are holding on for our dear lives because yoshaw isnt really the shy type, he bottles up all his emotions and lets it all out when he drives.


he's fkn crazy imo.


:lol:


i can't understand how Yoshaw managed to get such a close likeness of me... it's weird i tell ya!


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6636/untitled1tc3.gif

lol im really sorry Yoshaw i just cant help a good photoshop. XD



LMAO!!! You guys are killin me!!!

[Passive]

:lol: we aim to please.

[Grovestreet]

The thing I'm loving about MGS4, is that the possibilites are endless, you could side with the PMC in a battle and kill the Milita, or Vice Versa, or could even just sit back and watch the battle take place and see who wins, and that was just one small battle!

Its gonna be great!:thumbl:

[Smokey]

and THIS (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0S5PYX5R) is a must for me :P

+rep mate gave me goosebumps :)

[julps31]

Man I loved how this game slowly evolved. Its not as apparent as other games but its improved noticably over the past several trailers. I love the look of Snakes newer model (or more refined to be precise). Its a lot closer to the model we saw in the original 05 trailer then the others. His nose is more narrow and sharper then it was in the 06 trailers (when he had the black sneaking suit). Plus his hair is much more realistic and it hardly even moved in the older trailers lol. His overall face is more realistic and more appealing to me too.

Another thing I hadn't even realized was that Meryl's character model changed until I watched the older trailer. I forgot that she even had a different model lol. Her old model looked more like a teenager and was less intimidating. The newer model looks alot more mature and has more athority then the older one even though I liked the older one. Raidens models improved to but not as substantially as some of the others.

The lighting and animation is also more natural then it was in the other trailers. And the funny thing is I was blown away by each of the trailers but the newest trailers (E3 trailer AND the gameplay demo) have taken it to another level imo. Man to sum it up. This game is gonna be amazing lol.

[Haris]

After seeing the gameplay video... Game of the Year or at least runner up..

[Passive]

+rep mate gave me goosebumps :)

lol someone commented on it! :D

[LiquidEagle]

I think they made Meryl look a lot hotter, I can't really describe it looking between the two but when I saw the E3 '07 trailer I was like, "whoa, they certainly beefed her up in the hotness department!" I'm not one to be attracted to videogame women, but it was a noticeable change, along with the changes you noted julps31 :)

Personally I REALLY loved the look of the E3 06 trailer -- it was the most stylish to me, but it could also be that the music on that trailer is by far my favorite piece of music we've heard from MGS4 so far, and it enhanced things. I have the most sentimental attachment to that trailer too with Snake putting the gun in his mouth... although I must say I really tensed up when Raiden stabbed himself to stab Vamp in the '07 trailer... for the first time in a long while I was like, "OH SHIT! WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!?!?!" I call that the MGS-effect :-D

I find myself watching the demonstration a ton of times too -- I always watch part of it just to see a certain thing and how it's done, but then I can't hit the stop button and I'm just glued to the screen for the rest of the video :laugh:

[OG_Monkey]

i watched it an was impressed too. I never really liked MGS but ill be sure to get this one after i get my ps3

[Smokey]

i watched it an was impressed too. I never really liked MGS but ill be sure to get this one after i get my ps3

:whip:

[Rapture]

to me the hair on the new meryl looks terrible, i prefer the 06 meryl. :(

[Smokey]

to me the hair on the new meryl looks terrible, i prefer the 06 meryl. :(

:whip:

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: keep crackin' that whip smokes :-D

[Passive]

haha quite the punisher there smokey, but i gotta agree with Rapture. her hair needs some attention

[LiquidEagle]

-rep, Black... :-p

[OG_Monkey]

:whip:

lmao, oops:devious:

[Passive]

Im not saying it looks bad, and its deffinetly Meryl hair. but there is no wind movement or anything.

[yoshaw]

Guys, I was just watching the new MGS4 trailer and it occurred to me. Why the fcuk does Snake need a suit with a butt crack? I mean seriously, ever since I noticed it(happens when u watch something for like 1000 times), I've been like eughing at each scene I see of Snake's rear, which is like every single moment of it. God, I really need a break and they could cover the butt crack if they want, its not like it hinders the game objectivity if tried to be removed.

Argh, just something I wish I hadn't noticed but now I have. So I'm gonna share it with all of you so u too suffer with me. Bwahahahahaha :devious: Gawd please remove the butt crack suit of his n make it look like how a relax fit jeans would around that spot >_< or I'm gonna have nightmares about this game. Gawd!!

[Luis]

Snake's ass is more fit than yours and nobody kicks it. Assume it :norris:

[Raitei]

Yoshaw, that reminds me of this

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4715/mgsglutesqp9.jpg
(fanboys comic)

[yoshaw]

Yea, I mean seriously. They gotta tone down that a lil bit atleast. I mean c'mooooon! I don't wanna see glutes in Hi-Def, snake could be made an exception but still. It's like almost edging at the offensive side, IMO. Atleast I'm beginning to see it that way. Aaaaw I wish I hadn't noticed. Damn the 1000th time I viewed the trailer.

[Z]

it's a fan service for the ladies out there. and now, in high def glory! O_o

would you believe I saw someone using it as an avy on another forum? seriously.

[Luis]

Yes, someone has Snake's ass in his avatar at NeoGAF :laugh:

Nothing wrong with that, it's the best-looking male ass ever seen in a game :look:

[Fats]

Once again another thread takes a nose dive into homo-eroticness.

Hi five guys!

[Luis]

I think this deserves a Madhouse spin-off thread :cowboy:

Is there someone willing to look for male game characters asses to compare to Snake's and post a poll? :laugh:

[Luis]

Metal Gear Solid Mobile video (http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_metalgearsolidmobile_20thann_press_h264.wmv)

Looks like something between MGS1 and MGS2 in terms of style.

[Fazares]

hmmm...u can always look at his detailed hair...

[Z]

Metal Gear Solid Mobile video (http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_metalgearsolidmobile_20thann_press_h264.wmv)
thanks. I've been waiting for a video for that one.
Looks like something between MGS1 and MGS2 in terms of style.


hmmm...u can always look at his detailed hair...

where's the fun in that?

[Fazares]

where's the fun in that?
the fun is in the core of that sentence....

[solidsnakejej]

Some follow up info from the KP report, 1up got the wrong info about the masked guy not being Raiden, the masked guy is Raiden. Also the Raiden/Vamp fight takes place in South America.

[Z]

Yes, someone has Snake's ass in his avatar at NeoGAF :laugh:



yup, that's him. at first I thought it was Semos (sp) of Metroid Prime, which would be understandable. but I was "WTF?!" when I noticed it was Old Snake's after a while. another great chance to use Adblock! lol

[Z]

the masked guy is Raiden.

is that the wrong or correct info?

[solidsnakejej]

Correct info. Though Ryan doesn't actual say it his guest does and Ryan agrees with it.

[Luis]

I wanted him to be a new character :-/

[Z]

it can only be Raiden, it is just that with the suit, you would expect him to be another guy. oh well.

don't tell me from that scene we'll jump a few years ahead when they have finished installing his suit since it doesn't look like that is something you can change out of and into everyday?

[Z]

I wanted him to be a new character :-/

well, he was too much of a Nancy boy in that part. they'll be more interesting characters later like the new bosses. ;)

cant wait to see their freaky new abilities. :) :matrix:

[Grovestreet]

Whoa there's a bit of Gay-ness going on around here...:look:

But on a serious note...How bad-ass does snake look in my avatar?

[Luis]

Not as badass as his very own ass :dur:

[Grovestreet]

Lol...How'd I know you were gonna say that.

:smirk:

[Segitz]

I really don't get all the homophobia all the people have (not essentially here). Like when Snake "touches" the statue... Have you ever been to Germany, the Netherlands or Sweden? Such statues (naked ones etc) are really not uncommon and I mean, hiding there like this is "real".

Also, who cares about Snakes asscrack? I mean come on.


What I found a bit strange is the fact that Snake is supposed to be ~180cms and only weighs 63kg... This VERY VERY little for that big of a trained soldier (that would be ~6'0'' and ~125 pounds).

[yoshaw]

Jesus, no offense, you got no issues with his buttcrack but you got issues with the puny thing that is his size n weight??

:duh:
WTF is the world coming too. LOL

j/k peace :laugh:

[TEEDA]

I really don't get all the homophobia all the people have (not essentially here). Like when Snake "touches" the statue... Have you ever been to Germany, the Netherlands or Sweden? Such statues (naked ones etc) are really not uncommon and I mean, hiding there like this is "real".

Also, who cares about Snakes asscrack? I mean come on.


What I found a bit strange is the fact that Snake is supposed to be ~180cms and only weighs 63kg... This VERY VERY little for that big of a trained soldier (that would be ~6'0'' and ~125 pounds).


Lol hat's exactly my height and my weight lol. I' m kind fin. But yeah he's supposed to habe big muscles but he still can hang up on the borders of a cliff lol.
papy snake rolls ut !

[Haris]

mm it's easier for smaller people to hang from things and do the things he does

i like that he's not too big

[Grovestreet]

Anyway, question time: Which Side will you ally with?

A) Militia
B) PMC's
C) Alternating between both
D) Neither - Will play the game with stealth only, and no NPC interaction unless required to.

As for me, On my first Playthrough I will most likely side with the PMC's, much better trained, way more advanced in technology, and I like their uniform.

Second Playthrough, the Militia, they'll need the helping hand seeing as they aren't to advanced, and aren't as trained as well as the PMC's.

And Third Playthrough...Kill anyone I see!!

[Nameless]

I guess the new viral marketing campaign against MGS4 since it's a PS3 exclusive is the game is gay... I agree some of the shit in the game is a little questionable, but that's Kojima's since of humor. I'm sure the Xbox fanboys will run this into the ground and hopefully it does not negatively impact the game. Snake is a true bad ass character and I'm not making any references to his bum...

[KRA]

i don't know if that was posted becasue i wasn't here for some time.
anyway mgs4 gampley demonstration is in hongkong store.

[Shogun042]

i don't know if there's necessarily a difficulty in the game, but from the looks of it, it seems like the 'easy' mode will be siding with the PMCs, the 'medium' is siding with the militia, and the 'hard' will be not siding with either.

[Grovestreet]

i don't know if there's necessarily a difficulty in the game, but from the looks of it, it seems like the 'easy' mode will be siding with the PMCs, the 'medium' is siding with the militia, and the 'hard' will be not siding with either.

? I thought you decided who you want to ally with no matter what the difficulty level is?

[Killing Moon]

I’m probably late on this, but I just saw the gameplay demo from Kojima’s work. I am SO DAMN HAPPY that he overhauled the gameplay the way he did. Now I’ve only seen bits and pieces of the vid, but just downloaded it. But it seems like he took the Splinter Cell gameplay style and made it his own.

I’m getting the same feeling from this as I did when I played ZOE2, which he also overhauled. I can’t believe that I’m actually loving Metal Gear again.

[TEEDA]

But it's kinda contradictory because in the demonstration , snake had to take out those PMCs in the beginning to avoid being seen...So maybe the PMCs are the bad guys, you have the option to take them out or to play stealth where you can choose to help the militia or not where they are the good guys. So don't know if you can really ally with the pmcs as they are here to search for you and to take you out.

[Z]

something they fixed and I didn't notice but remembered it and loved that they did so well with it: the camera!


? I thought you decided who you want to ally with no matter what the difficulty level is?
you can chose sides or non at all. Kojima also said it is mor complicated than picking left or right. Shogun042 was just presuming which would be easier/harder to do.

the demo seemed to be from the easy difficulty judging by how fast the soldiers went down with the tranquilizer.

But it's kinda contradictory because in the demonstration , snake had to take out those PMCs in the beginning to avoid being seen...So maybe the PMCs are the bad guys, you have the option to take them out or to play stealth where you can choose to help the militia or not where they are the good guys. So don't know if you can really ally with the pmcs as they are here to search for you and to take you out.
of course, no one will see you and let you go. to any faction, you're alien an thus a threat. but I presume in a confrontational situation between two or more faction, you can take arms against any of them- just like they showed in the demo. 'after' you have supported a faction, they will treat you as an ally untill they see otherwise coming from you. I think you can still kill and hurt members from that faction as long as others don't see yu do it or report you in. :thumbl:

[Segitz]

Jesus, no offense, you got no issues with his buttcrack but you got issues with the puny thing that is his size n weight??

:duh:
WTF is the world coming too. LOL

j/k peace :laugh:

I dont have an issue with his height or weight at all! Read my stuff again, I said I found it strange, since (being an ex Bunderswehr Luftwaffe soldier) a trained soldier at that height would at least weigh in at about 80kgs (especially a lone warrior). I mean, he runs around carrying a multitude of guns, rpgs and other nifty stuff (the usual Luftwaffe backpack on "compound employment" weighs in at about 30kgs, so about HALF of Snakes weight) and then he does pull ups etc?? No way!

[Killing Moon]

oh wow, part of his CQC; rear naked choke FTW!!

[HighOnSunoco]

i don't know if that was posted becasue i wasn't here for some time.
anyway mgs4 gampley demonstration is in hongkong store.

does it have english subtitles? Because I downloaded the Japan PS store video and had no clue what was said. (it had japanese subtitles)

[Grovestreet]

Anyone know were I can watch a HD version of the TGS 05 trailer?

I just feel like watching it again. "FPS - Forget Pre-rendered stuff" Love it.

[Z]

try gametrailers or Kikizo.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

GROVESTREET, you stole my avatar! Cease and desist at once!

[satriales]

Anyone know were I can watch a HD version of the TGS 05 trailer?

I just feel like watching it again. "FPS - Forget Pre-rendered stuff" Love it.
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1743.html
TGS trailer is about halfway down the page.

[KRA]

does it have english subtitles? Because I downloaded the Japan PS store video and had no clue what was said. (it had japanese subtitles)

it has japanesse subtitles too.

[LiquidEagle]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MGS4 also the first game (or even movie) to have Arab militants not being the bad guys? :laugh:

[Luis]

"The enemies we fight are only enemies in relative terms, constantly changing with the times."

- The Boss

[LiquidEagle]

I'm talking more about general portrayals of Arab militants across movies, games, & the media in real life. They're almost always the bad guys, especially in recent times, and it's understandable considering that's where the US is at war and though it's exaggerated greatly in the media, that is where the West's greatest threats come from (besides North Korea if they had the means :laugh:), I just think it's interesting that Kojima is showing these militants most of us have an image of being the bad guys, and when they're getting mowed down by PMC's I genuinely feel bad for them, not sure how you guys feel.

EDIT: I posted this in the Symphony of the Night thread, but I figured it's relevant here too:


Whoa! Watching the credits of Symphony of the Night right now, and I just saw that the CG was done by Kenichiro Imaizumi, who is now a producer at Kojima Productions and is one of the producers of MGS4!

That ending theme is also arranged by Rika Muranaka, whom we all know is the genius behind a couple of MGS's greatest songs too

Cynthia Harrell did the vocals too! She was the one that sang Snake Eater... this is too cool!

Crazy, huh??

[Segitz]

Nah, in Rambo 3 (the one in Afghanistan), the Mujaheddin are on the US side of the fence, combatting the Russian forces...

But that's the only example I can come up right now^^ (there too were Rambo games on the C64^^)

[cliffbo]

off topic (yes i do this a lot... sorry) i am interested in the whole thumbs up mechanic. this suggest to me three stages and a possible strategy to playing the game. if you consistantly help one side, you will get a thumbs up; however, if you then help the other side, then you may get a flat hand titling from side to side... as if saying 'not sure about you now' if you continue you may get a thums down, but if you are clever and play between the lines you can eventually get the thumbs up again.

this could see you going back through some of the game to rescue people to form an allegiance once again. this may well play an integeral part in the game. an area that you strolled through the first time you played, will become a level you will have to sneak through carefully the second time, so giving you three different serarios. mercinary (shake of hand from both sides) and one side or the other. (thumbs up) i've got a feeling this is going to be a major part of playing MGS.

[julps31]

How is that off topic? lol.. A valid question that pertains to MGS.

[Grovestreet]

Lol yeah, not off-topic Cliffbo, and I'm with you on that one, you could be right there, couldn't imagine the PMC's doing it though, I mean they are some wild eyed killers man :p

*PMC doing thumbs* "Thanks man" or something along those lines:thumbl:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The Gameplay Demonstration is on the US PSN store now as well.

[Grovestreet]

Snake's ass...Oh my... (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/204/926596_20070724_screen038.jpg)

For the love of all that is good and holy, please fix this abomination...

[julps31]

Most akward move ever, and tightest sneaking suit ever lol. Suit is bad ass tho minus the tightness around the cheek area lol.

[Grovestreet]

MGS: Online Scans (http://www.tg-media.net/famitsu/2007/july25/img056_marked.jpg)

:thumbl:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

off topic (yes i do this a lot... sorry) i am interested in the whole thumbs up mechanic. this suggest to me three stages and a possible strategy to playing the game. if you consistantly help one side, you will get a thumbs up; however, if you then help the other side, then you may get a flat hand titling from side to side... as if saying 'not sure about you now' if you continue you may get a thums down, but if you are clever and play between the lines you can eventually get the thumbs up again.

this could see you going back through some of the game to rescue people to form an allegiance once again. this may well play an integeral part in the game. an area that you strolled through the first time you played, will become a level you will have to sneak through carefully the second time, so giving you three different serarios. mercinary (shake of hand from both sides) and one side or the other. (thumbs up) i've got a feeling this is going to be a major part of playing MGS.

It's also posible to play both sides as you progress.

[yoshaw]

A lil treat

:cheers:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Nice colors.

[Pluto]

Snake's ass...Oh my... (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/204/926596_20070724_screen038.jpg)

For the love of all that is good and holy, please fix this abomination...


...There doesn't even look like there's enough air/room in that suit for him to be able to fart. xD

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Enough talk about snake's ass please, perfect as it is. Let's be grown here.

[LiquidEagle]

I remember when I first got MGS2 my sister made a comment about his sneaking suit being so tight... If I wasn't so into playing through the game I would have gotten out of my seat and slapped her 'till she left the room >:O

EDIT: Thanks for those scans Grove :-D

[Smokey]

my missus & daughter loved his arse especially when he was crawling along lol

[yoshaw]

^:lol: I lol'd hard on that one.

I guess its ok as long as it is to please female fans of the series and probably gain a few new ones in the process. Some gorgeous ones around me too seem pretty interested to know who the old man is, to be honest. lol Kojima scores so bad ass with his characters he doesn't even have to buy 'em interested females any drinks darnit.

[Z]

Kojima scores so bad ass with his characters he doesn't even have to buy 'em interested females any drinks darnit.
ah, don't forget who desinged Snake in the first place; Shinkawa. now that is one bad ass character designer. :)

MGS4 motto: the perfect game with the perfect ass.

[yoshaw]

Props to Shinkawa-san for designing the glutes maximus of Snake!

[LiquidEagle]

I'm still eagerly awaiting info or something about the titles. If Murata was so impressed by them (and he's been working under/for Kojima for years, for him to be so visibly impressed by something it must be incredible), I can't wait to see 'em :-D

[Passive]

Some follow up info from the KP report, 1up got the wrong info about the masked guy not being Raiden, the masked guy is Raiden. Also the Raiden/Vamp fight takes place in South America.


it can only be Raiden, it is just that with the suit, you would expect him to be another guy. oh well.

don't tell me from that scene we'll jump a few years ahead when they have finished installing his suit since it doesn't look like that is something you can change out of and into everyday?

Ha! i knew it! i said it was him right from the go! but i was gollumized!!! and as for him not fiting into those clothes? gah! lol the suit can enlarge for strngth and fighting, whos says it can decompress for clothing? and maybe parts of his helmet or detachable. who knows.

or yeah maybe something happens to him and he gets the suit during MGS4 not before. again who knows lol


My dictionary:
Golumized: To be treated like smeagol was by his village but without eating raw fish and turning inot a freak



and okay wtf is with all of you and homophobia? seriously, how old are you all? and im not kidding either, you are intellegent (most of you haha j.k) so you should have the maturity to deal with seeing a male ass on screen, and to cover it would lok rediculous. they would have to add a texture stretch animation over it each time her walks and it would make a leather or pvc-ish on skin sound (you know that fart type noise when you sit on leather sofas? :P) and that would very much void the point of wearing a "sneaking" suit. i guess they could cover it with an equipment bag of some sort. and the hand on the statues penis? big woop.. are you saying every time you see a statue like that in wikipedia or when u see one in real life you cring and say "ew you can see his wee wee!" if so, sad... just sad.

Oh and the Judo move used by snake to choke the enemy is the same issue, okay yes it sort of looks like snake is getting his happy on. But again wtf guys? you know its a combat move, you know the soldier is choking and convolsing, so why say it looks homo? O.o the way i see it is. well kinda creepy. To see snake choke a man that moving around so much and not even move, i love to see his face, i bet it would be purly expressionless like a very very focused killer. (or just and old killer)

okay point is, grow up a little guys. this game is for us mature gamers. Not little boys who still refer to their penis as a 'willy'

Personally none of that stuff bothers me, at all. and im as straight as they come. and i know this because i was happy to see the girl mag come back ^^ with turnable pages! ha! nice Kojima.


/2 cents

[Luis]

I'm still eagerly awaiting info or something about the titles. If Murata was so impressed by them (and he's been working under/for Kojima for years, for him to be so visibly impressed by something it must be incredible), I can't wait to see 'em :-DWhat are you talking about? What did I miss? =-o

[Z]

seeing a male ass on screen, and to cover it would lok rediculous.
Snake should wear a kilt!

http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07305/snake.jpg

Oh and the Judo move used by snake to choke the enemy is the same issue,


what's wrong with that move? did anyone complain? that is a real and how well life move and how real it looks when executed in the game is impressive. also, Kojima said that there are some real life military moves that look odd in a game since games tend to look visually appealing than being effective in reality. he said that they will incorporate some of these real moves in the game and gamers will see them. maybe this Judo move is one of them.

[masteratt]

what's wrong with that move?
It's SEXY TIME!
:|

[Passive]

i saw a few people bitching about that move thats all. i just dont get what the big deal is on all these things.


EDIT: sorry about my typing by the way, ive been bad all day lol

[False_Messiah]

Snake&#180;s ass is not a problem to me (ok, maybe kojima needs to control himself a bit here, lol). The only strange detail to me is Meryl&#180;s hair. It was ok on PS1, but even Snake&#180;s hair moves now, why not Meryl&#180;s?

[Luis]

Art direction. Note other details like slow blinking.

[Raitei]

you know what we still haven't seen?
customisable weapons. I remember there being something about that last year or so.

Just watched the Gameplay video, it looks extremely good

[KRA]

i don't get one thing.
why enemies don't react to sound ?!
when one body falls to ground solider standing beside don't even turn to him.
or when the barell moving with snake makes so much noise soliders don't react anyway.
etc. it's a small thing but it makes it not so real. i can see this spoiling whole gameplay for me :|

[Luis]

I think this is interesting:


Lastly, we announced a brand new PSP title — the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid 2: Digital Graphic Novel. This is a title I’m particularly excited about since it’s an awesome way to revisit the story of MGS2, now through the eyes of Solid Snake. (If you’re pumped for MGS4, do me a favor and brush up on your MGS2 knowledge — you won’t regret it.) I hope to have an official announcement regarding the North American and Europe versions of this game soon.http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/26/celebrating-metal-gears-20th-birthday/


i don't get one thing.
why enemies don't react to sound ?!
when one body falls to ground solider standing beside don't even turn to him.
or when the barell moving with snake makes so much noise soliders don't react anyway.
etc. it's a small thing but it makes it not so real. i can see this spoiling whole gameplay for me :|I think that's intentional, at least to some extent. In all of the trailers shown to date, it doesn't look like the soldiers care about the others, as unnatural as that might seem. A soldier can be killed right in front of another and he'll just remain calm and keep on fighting. I think it has a lot to do with the way the nanomachines keep them all under control.

[Raitei]

yeahh but the problem is, if you're patrolling and a person gets shot next to you, you're going to look to see who shot them, not just stand and continue your patrol, i mean, if one of you gets shot, the other is very likely to, so why not turn around and go down with a fight

[KRA]

I think this is interesting:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/26/celebrating-metal-gears-20th-birthday/

I think that's intentional, at least to some extent. In all of the trailers shown to date, it doesn't look like the soldiers care about the others, as unnatural as that might seem. A soldier can be killed right in front of another and he'll just remain calm and keep on fighting. I think it has a lot to do with the way the nanomachines keep them all under control.

yeah like ratei wrote. if your buddy dies. it's very likelly you will be next one.
and rolling barrel is attacking from behing making so much noise and
they don't care beacuse they are calm and are keeping fighting ?!

[Luis]

They might have their senses inhibited to a point that they're almost intentionally suicidal. I wouldn't be surprised if they become mindless to an extent that they can only focus in a single task without even thinking (or feeling scared for that matter) so that fulfilling such task is their only purpose at any given moment.

I'd find it hard to believe that it's a glitch. All enemies in all MGS titles to date have reacted to the slightest sound around them, and if we are seeing a different behaviour now, I doubt their AI is that much worse than the AI of a PS1 game. As a matter of fact, Hideo Kojima talked a while ago about being able to use sounds to produce a range of emotions. Note that the Gekkous produce a number of weird sounds: they sound like cows and emit a cicada noise. Kojima explained that these sounds were meant to soothe whoever got memories from childhood when they heard them. I've got the feeling the soldiers don't really have a mind of their own, and that's what might make them vulnerable sometimes.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that I'm sure there's a reason for that even though it might seem counter-intuitive and could be perceived as a bug or as a mistake. It might be different in the final game, but there have been hints to this kind of behaviour in previous trailers.

[masteratt]

lol VG- Good spin attempt :laugh:

That was ridicilious AI- End of story.
This is probably no-where near the final release.
We know Hideo doesn't make mistakes.

Though people say the grenade shows bad AI (when it landed near them and they didn't run away) This one I dissagre with because Snake lobs it from behind them and it's too small to see or hear in a battlefied.


I'm just saying that I'm sure there's a reason for that...
Yeah- It's an early build.
And if...IF it ends up being like that in the final game- I really wouldn't give a damn and anyone who does doesn't know the MGS series.

[Luis]

So, this game is being produced by one of the most talented developer teams on earth, it has a wealth of innovative and unparalleled features compared to other games of similar genres, the attention to detail is extreme just like in all of the previous games, and the best you can think of is "ridiculous AI"? Why do I have the feeling there's more to it? Mostly when there have been hints to that kind of behaviour.

From what I've seen so far, the soldiers only seem to communicate with each other to coordinate their moves. That includes all of the MGS4 trailers to date. In the TGS 05 trailer, the soldier shown in first person view doesn't seem to worry about the fact that his mates are being killed around him. He does not look at where the bullets come from, he just keeps going ahead. As a matter of fact, you don't see any of them trying to help each other. However, they do communicate to go separate ways. E3 2006 trailer: two soldiers fire at the militia coordinately, and a sniper is assisted by another soldier who points at the next target. LGC 06 trailer: the militia kill some soldiers and you don't see others trying to help them. However, they do tell others to leave the battlefield when the Gekkous are deployed. TGS 2006: Snake fires at two soldiers on their backs. When the first one falls, the other one doesn't even look at him, as if he wasn't conscious of what's going on. This did seem weird to me, as if it was a obvious bug, but the militia soldiers react differently. One of them actually feels scared when his mates are killed near him and runs away.

I'm not trying to spin it. Being the huge MGS fan I am, I believe there's an explanation to it related to the way thinks work in the MGS universe. It wouldn't make any sense it was an AI glitch seeing how all of the soldiers in all MGS games to date react. I do believe there's a lot behind the way the soldiers behave and from what I've observed, it's not coincidental. Do you want to believe it's just a glitch without taking into account all of the circumstances? Fine, I'm sure you won't be the only one. Whether it's like that or not, that remains to be seen.

[Killing Moon]

Snake should wear a kilt!

http://xs317.xs.to/xs317/07305/snake.jpg



what's wrong with that move? did anyone complain? that is a real and how well life move and how real it looks when executed in the game is impressive. also, Kojima said that there are some real life military moves that look odd in a game since games tend to look visually appealing than being effective in reality. he said that they will incorporate some of these real moves in the game and gamers will see them. maybe this Judo move is one of them.
Hey, hey, watch your tongues, homphobes.

http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/PhotoOfTheWeek/Cage-RNC.jpg
http://rsw.hp.infoseek.co.jp/as/news/bobby2-3111.jpg
http://www.chonji-martialarts.ca/images/mma/rearnakedchoke.jpg

The choke is “hata kajime” and used in Judo, Sambo, Catch Wrestling and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu all the time. Sure it could look better a bit (Snake doesn’t put the ‘hooks’ in like he should), but he’s not trying to get into a long tussle with the guy. Just get the choke off as fast as possible.

I do that move all the time when rolling. Watch it, now!!

[Z]

I say there are just dumbed down for demo purposes. they don't need to play the game, they need to show us the features at their leisure.

[Passive]

i agree with Z and with VG, demo purposes sounds most likely though. but the idea of the PMCs being controlled by the nanos isnt as rediculous as it sounds. they might be programed to just patrol and nothing else, unless engaged by an enemy themselves. not caring about their 'buddy' they do their job they are told to or programmed to, as we saw in the 15mins trailer in 06 if programmed a PMC cant even point his weapon.

[Passive]

Yeah- It's an early build.
And if...IF it ends up being like that in the final game- I really wouldn't give a damn and anyone who does doesn't know the MGS series.

really gotta dissagree with you on this. one of the big parts of MGS is to sneak, so the NPCs have to have good hearing in order for the game to work or else you could just runaround gunza blazing beacuse u know they are deaf. so sorry :P but you dont know what MGS is about.


'deaf' or close to 'deaf' npcs in MGS = not sneaking = not MGS



EIDT: sorry double post

[KRA]

From what I've seen so far, the soldiers only seem to communicate with each other to coordinate their moves. That includes all of the MGS4 trailers to date. In the TGS 05 trailer, the soldier shown in first person view doesn't seem to worry about the fact that his mates are being killed around him. He does not look at where the bullets come from, he just keeps going ahead. As a matter of fact, you don't see any of them trying to help each other. However, they do communicate to go separate ways. E3 2006 trailer: two soldiers fire at the militia coordinately, and a sniper is assisted by another soldier who points at the next target. LGC 06 trailer: the militia kill some soldiers and you don't see others trying to help them. However, they do tell others to leave the battlefield when the Gekkous are deployed. TGS 2006: Snake fires at two soldiers on their backs. When the first one falls, the other one doesn't even look at him, as if he wasn't conscious of what's going on. This did seem weird to me, as if it was a obvious bug, but the militia soldiers react differently. One of them actually feels scared when his mates are killed near him and runs away.


your thinking VGA could be very right.
but what about rolling barrel ?!
it just was noiz that was going to harm both soliders.
it wasn't like ohh he doesn't care about other soliders.
anyway it could be just for demo purposes
like someone already wrote.
yeah i hope it will work better or will be well explained in a final game.

[Luis]

For what it's worth, you could see soldiers firing at the rolling barrel in the TGS 2006 gameplay trailer.

It's weird that the soldiers could be dumber than the militia. The militia reacts more naturally than them, and I'm sure there's a reason for that behaviour contrast from what we know.

[Grovestreet]

Lol hahaha (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hCSWdZBqUTA)! The End rules!

Never did watch the Secret Theatre videos.

[Fazares]

Snake´s ass is not a problem to me (ok, maybe kojima needs to control himself a bit here, lol). The only strange detail to me is Meryl´s hair. It was ok on PS1, but even Snake´s hair moves now, why not Meryl´s?
they were also quite blocky...helmet-like....a la ps2 in-game characters....

[julps31]

i don't get one thing.
why enemies don't react to sound ?!
when one body falls to ground solider standing beside don't even turn to him.
or when the barell moving with snake makes so much noise soliders don't react anyway.
etc. it's a small thing but it makes it not so real. i can see this spoiling whole gameplay for me :|I'd definantly attribute that to the demo (most likely) being on the easiest difficulty setting or certain features being turned off for the demo because in all the MGS games a soldier dropping right next to his buddy would deefinantlyalert him. And I really doubt that Kojima would take a step back in this department for any reason.

[yoshaw]

I don't know if you guys have seen this.

But Suda51, Hideo Kojima and Shinji Mikami sit together for a public interview. Mostly talking n making jokes to each other. Hilarious stuff. A fans delight I swear. I had a blast watching my loved developers all casual n joking. I'm sure so would the lot of you.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07305/gv.com.notthe1upshow_11_640x360.jpg

http://www.gamevideos.com/download?videoId=13288&url=http://download.gamevideos.com/13288/gv.com.notthe1upshow_11_640x360.wmv

[LiquidEagle]

What are you talking about? What did I miss? =-o

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=25011102&union_id=5363


Kojima also revealed that the intro sequence for MGS4 will be done by Logan, replacing Kyle Cooper who worked on the previous two installments. The intro sequence of MGS3 let users control the screen, but according to Kojima, MGS4 is going to be even better and startling. "The customer-service phone line is going to be flooded with calls, and I'm going to get fired," joked Kojima.

Whatever the intro will be like, Kojima's idea behind it was big enough to even get developers jumping out of their seats. According to MGS4 codirector Shuyou Murata, "I totally flipped out when I heard about it. It's going to be like a promotional video, but there's going to be more to it."

Logan's Alex Tylevich was tight about releasing any details, but he gave some first hints, commenting, "It's going to be highly unusual for a video game opening. It's going to be very futuristic."

Minds will be blown, people. As if the gameplay & story wasn't enough, even this game's opening TITLES are going to be just incredible!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Oh shit I can't take it.

[AC!D]

You guys know what blew me away the most about the gameplay trailer i'ts like three games in one. You can play it the first time through normal snake stealth kinda way with third person camera. You can play it the second time as a first person shooter without the stealth although im sure this will be damn challenging but i know some hardcore fps nuts that would try. The third camera angle looked like the ghost recon camera where you play it more strategic guns type of gameplay unless the third camera angle was only for when guns are equiped.

To top it all off this is only the first journey for snake around the world can you guys even imagine what the colourful forest or urban city enviroments are gonna look like?

Damn March just can't come soon enough for me!

[LiquidEagle]

I still hope it's in January for my birthday :-p

[julps31]

Man I got the feeling that this MGS is gonna be epic in the fullest sense of the word. I think this'll be the longest, most fast paced/action packed, and most memorable Metal Gear game in the series. Might be a little premature to say that but from what i've seen its going in the right directions to do it. Can't wait to see the damn intro because all the MGS intros are classic lol. I bet it'll be amazing.

And don't get me started on the environments Ac!d lol. *heart attack*

[my name is Nobody]

After watching the gameplay walk through the thing that struck me was Snakes mobility like when he flipped over that edge. I feel playing this will become a true experience. when my mom visited yesterday I showed the e3 video and the game play she said she couldn't play it she be to busy watching it.
Queston anyone think Mai Ling will be in the game?

[Coded-Dude]

These crack me up:


[PS3] MGS4, Kojima... what happened?
So they finally showed MGS4 gameplay footage and it just left me wondering what happened to Kojima?

Snake Eater just looked great, and MGS1 basically defined a genre - and a system.

What I'm seeing in MGS4 makes me not even care about it anymore. I've hoped it would come to 360 because I was really interested in it, and didn't want to buy a PS3 for it. Now I'm thinking, who really wants this?

It looked and felt clunky, like a PS1/PS2 game that get some updated graphics. It doesn't look smooth or have the gameplay polish of it's nearest competitor - Splinter Cell.

Look at that camo suit, what the heck... it can copy a texture and put it on Snake? Nice... look at him laying on that floor with a floor texture on his body - he is so ridiculously visible. Same for when he is up against a wall.

And look at him with that RPG, standing out there in the middle of gun fire, taking his time to aim at the guy on the top of the building. Nice.

"We can now hide in a barrel" - wow, nice feature.

"If you roll around he throws up" - umm, okay... great.

"You can look at a men's magazine to help your health!" - amazing, Snake is in the middle of a battlefield and after rolling around in a barrel and getting sick, he'll take a break to look at some ladies in a magazine... you know... spread it out on the war-torn ground and goggle at the girlies. Revolutionary, man... Kojima obviously needs a new franchise - maybe a new career.

Seriously, this game went from "incredible" to "incredibly dumb" in about 5-10 minutes.

I wonder how well this will really sell when more people see more of it...

[Luis]

WTF?

@ LiquidEagle: Yeah, I remember that. Can't wait to see what it is =-o Basically every aspect of MGS4 is going to be huge!

[Beenie Man]

Wtf

[Luis]

Yeah man, MGS4 suddenly went from being the most desired PS3 exclusive to be ported to 360 to "This sucks, who could possibly want this?" :lol:

[julps31]

These crack me up:Lol fanboys. You gotta love em.


"I've hoped it would come to 360 because I was really interested in it, and didn't want to buy a PS3 for it. Now I'm thinking, who really wants this?"

Lol...he gave himself away with this one...^

[LiquidEagle]

Wow, that quote shouldn't even be here. This is about MGS4, not losers and their terrible opinions.

[Luis]

Wow, that quote shouldn't even be here. This is about MGS4, not losers and their terrible opinions.QFT.

Back to discussing what's going to be the most elaborate game ever and the ultimate MGS masterpiece :pleased:

[Z]

okay, when you think you can't get psyched more than you already are, they come in and bitch slap you right in your face! and when veteran developers 'flip' over a feature, you know it is THAT freakin' good and it'll kill you with a heart attack and you'll die smiling...with those bitch slapped red cheeks.

there should be a law against killing us with anticipation! where is that Tompson freak when you really need him!?

[julps31]

okay, when you think you can't get psyched more than you already are, they come in and bitch slap you right in your face! and when veteran developers 'flip' over a feature, you know it is THAT freakin' good and it'll kill you with a heart attack and you'll die smiling...with those bitch slapped red cheeks.

there should be a law against killing us with anticipation! where is that Tompson freak when you really need him!?Lmao.. Well said. :cheers:

[Luis]

So... I've finally watched the gameplay demo video. I wanted to refrain from watching it, but I couldn't resist now that I got the direct feed version with English subtitles. Feeling really great although it still can use a few more months to get polished, but it runs really well already.

Regarding things like the drum can noise and the enemies not spotting it: I think the explanation is as simple as that they're playing on god mode, invisible mode or super duper easy mode. There are a few times when the soldiers are so close to Snake that they should be totally able to see him just like in previous MGS games, yet they don't seem to realise at all. Also observe some things like explosions really close to Snake not hurting him at all. I guess that to make the first gameplay demo as seamless as possible they couldn't afford having Snake getting spotted and having to get rid of many soldiers or possibly dying and having to repeat a given section. IMO.

I still stand by what I said before regarding soldier behaviour with one another.

[ddaryl]

Wow, that quote shouldn't even be here. This is about MGS4, not losers and their terrible opinions.


actually I love that quote.. I watched that video and saw all those things and the 1st thought I had is "This is going to be the best Metal Gear of them all"

IMO this looks like the game Kojima always wanted to make, unbelieveable amounts of depth in there.

It's going to be pretty awesome IMHO and I couldn't possibly be more stoked.

[Segitz]

I hope, I really really hope, they include a documentary in form of a making of in the game package (and not like 10 minutes, I am talking about 2hrs or more of HD footage on a seperate disc!).

And I would want to know how much it cost Koji Pro to produce this game (and how many man hours etc...). It must rival some middle profile hollywood games, at least.

[Z]

don't think I forgot about the mystery next-gen effect weapon in the game code named OOOO or XXXX!

[Z]

I don't know if you guys have seen this.

But Suda51, Hideo Kojima and Shinji Mikami sit together for a public interview. Mostly talking n making jokes to each other. Hilarious stuff. A fans delight I swear. I had a blast watching my loved developers all casual n joking. I'm sure so would the lot of you.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07305/gv.com.notthe1upshow_11_640x360.jpg

http://www.gamevideos.com/download?videoId=13288&url=http://download.gamevideos.com/13288/gv.com.notthe1upshow_11_640x360.wmv

that link isn't working for me. is there another video for this?

[Newboi]

I hope, I really really hope, they include a documentary in form of a making of in the game package (and not like 10 minutes, I am talking about 2hrs or more of HD footage on a seperate disc!).

And I would want to know how much it cost Koji Pro to produce this game (and how many man hours etc...). It must rival some middle profile hollywood games, at least.

That's a great idea. I would definitely fork out an extra 10 to 20 bucks for that addition.

[curryking1]

MGS4 LE in the bank for me too!

[yoshaw]

that link isn't working for me. is there another video for this?

Okay, try this page for a streaming version. It's also got downloadable links both for wmv and quicktime versions.

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3145462 << Show dated 07/20/2007

or this direct link

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13288

[Passive]

Have any of you noticed that whatever another game does to get hype MGS4 comes along and squashes it like a bug? :P

MGS4 15min demo > > HS demo
MGS4 E3 Trailer > > Killzone2 E3 Trailer
MGS4 General talk > > killing the fact Lair comes out in 17 days.


Lol Kojima is just the king yes?


and i agree with you on that Segitz an extra Blu-Ray dvd with hours of 'special features' would really make me a happy little camper ^^



oh! and shown of hands, who plans to replay the series before playing MGS4? :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Me!

[OmniStalgic]

Have any of you noticed that whatever another game does to get hype MGS4 comes along and squashes it like a bug? :P

MGS4 15min demo > > HS demo
MGS4 E3 Trailer > > Killzone2 E3 Trailer
MGS4 General talk > > killing the fact Lair comes out in 17 days.


Lol Kojima is just the king yes?


and i agree with you on that Segitz an extra Blu-Ray dvd with hours of 'special features' would really make me a happy little camper ^^



oh! and shown of hands, who plans to replay the series before playing MGS4? :)I dunno, I thought the Killzone debut was more impressive than MGS4's E3 trailer...

The gameplay demo is in a class of its own I agree, but Killzone was damn near unrivaled visually/artistically at E3 say for maybe Unreal/Bioshock...

[Passive]

oh im not saying KZ2 wasnt the most delicious display of eyecandy, but you look at alot of sites with 'top downloads' and the MGS4 clip is number 1, well was during E3

and awesome Lali! :) im there with ya!

[julps31]

Have any of you noticed that whatever another game does to get hype MGS4 comes along and squashes it like a bug? :P

MGS4 15min demo > > HS demo
MGS4 E3 Trailer > > Killzone2 E3 Trailer
MGS4 General talk > > killing the fact Lair comes out in 17 days.


Lol Kojima is just the king yes?


and i agree with you on that Segitz an extra Blu-Ray dvd with hours of 'special features' would really make me a happy little camper ^^



oh! and shown of hands, who plans to replay the series before playing MGS4? :)I started replaying MGS3 a few days ago lol. Love that game. Probably will play MGS2 when I finish MGS3. Would play MGS if I had it but I need to re-buy it.

[LiquidEagle]

I will most definitely be playing through the series before it comes out, but I also play through at least some key parts on the anniversary of each one so it'll always be fresh :-D

Also, one of the dead giveaways that he's playing on very easy is that he shot the PMC soldiers in the torso with the tranq and it was instant KO. Pretty much anything above Easy and you need to hit 'em in the head or crotch for instant KO like that.

[julps31]

Something else I just noticed is that there was no music through out the demo. So as intense as the battles were in the demo...it'll most likey be even more intense in the actual game (cause i'm sure it'll have music through out the battles like past MGS games).

But who knows....maybe they wont because the ambience the explosions, bullets, and bombs provide is really enough to but music would help bring that extra cinematic edge to the action that MGS games are known for.

[Luis]

I will play MGS3, MPO, MGS1 and MGS2 before MGS4 is released. Hopefully I'll play MG1 and MG2 as well, although I need to get used to a 20 years old game, even if it's not your average one :-p


Something else I just noticed is that there was no music through out the demo. So as intense as the battles were in the demo...it'll most likey be even more intense in the actual game (cause i'm sure it'll have music through out the battles like past MGS games).

But who knows....maybe they wont because the ambience the explosions, bullets, and bombs provide is really enough to but music would help bring that extra cinematic edge to the action that MGS games are known for.I think that was intentional as well, for demo purposes. Toned down difficulty and no music.

[julps31]

Agreed. Most likey so nothing would distract you from the points they wanted to get across in the demo. And one more thing I noticed (i'm noticing all these things after playing MGS3 again lol) with the E3 trailer is that the english voices are synched with the lips. I wonder if it'll be like this for the whole game. I would love that. So theres non of that akward english voices with japanese lip synching.

[Passive]

^ yeah i noticed that too, when vamp speaks it looks very much in sync, if anything it actually looked like the animation was english. but i doubt they would have different cut scenes for each language selection.

and as for playing through? :) I'll be playing MGS3, MPO, MG1, MG2, MGS, MGS2. ^^ it'll take a while lol i'll be watching all the cut scenes and such haha. Even though ive played through them all a few times each (except the to metal gear games) im just going to do it a re-fresh and just for the fun of it. then its onto MGS4 :D way to hype myself much lol!

[mrBlue]

^^^ Possibly their facial animation system allows them to change the movements on the fly respective of the language chosen. That would be pretty impressive if you ask me.

[Z]

Okay, try this page for a streaming version. It's also got downloadable links both for wmv and quicktime versions.

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3145462 << Show dated 07/20/2007

or this direct link

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13288

the entire 1Up network is down. I wonder why? maybe they are doing a new re-formating or something.

Added:

looks like this is the reason behind the mess: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2162216,00.asp

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm so happy I decided to log-in today. I loove the gameplay :hugegrin:

[Z]

^^^ Possibly their facial animation system allows them to change the movements on the fly respective of the language chosen. That would be pretty impressive if you ask me.

maybe they can do something quick, but you still need touch ups that will take time to do and the would need to be done off-line.
also, even if it was that easy, the time it would take and people it would occupy wouldn't be worth it. they will go with only one voice sync as the majority- if not all- of the games out there.

since this is an international release (simultaneously no less) it would be the best option to go with an English sync and multiple subtitles. though I really want Japanese voice overs. those guys are the best voice actors hands down.


PS. I still doubt Europeans will get this at the same time the rest of us do.

[Segitz]

In Half Life 2, they didn't need to animate every line spoken, but the engine has a phoneme interpreter, where you only have the "subtitles" (phonemes here) and the characters move the mouths according to what is entered.

Maybe the MGS4 engine has something like this (HS obviously has not).

[curryking1]

So what does everyone think of the absence of On Site Weapon Procurement or whatever they called it in the past games? Lol.

That's a pretty major change up on the gameplay as well. I'm sure the case will still be that to start no matter how you get weapons you'll be limited to weaker or more typical weapons and then the variety and whatnot will grow as the game goes on etc etc.

Oh I'll miss OSP though.... Oh past MGS games.... you and you're more confined playing grounds... you and you're very well designed straightforward and awesome pacing and introductions to new areas... I will miss that type of style. Makes looking forward to a much more open MGS waaay more exciting no? God damn, so much to wonder about! I wonder how 'random' encounters will be.

GTA IV and this totally whet my appetite. I love the openess of GTA, and if I'm not wrong on this MGS4 is gonna be open in a very similar way. The latest preview on IGN for GTA IV was just... wow

I love the gameplay scenarios they described.... phoning, things not being absolutely instantaneous, missions overlapping 'free time' with the game design.............. sooooo awesome. I keep thinking of MGS4 and GTA IV like some parallel games, like fraternal twins or something, something weird like that lol.

Jeez... I'm still waiting to see from MGS how much wasn't shown :):):)

[julps31]

I was thinking the same thing about the weapons. I'm guessing the further you get into the game the more powerful the weapons your enemies will have. I like the more realistic direction MGS is taking with this game (being able to take your enemies weapons being one example).

Plus i'm wondering how the battle system will work (like the one in the gameplay demo). Do you just walk around the battle feild and spontaneously join the battle...or will they iniate it as part of the story? If you can just spontaneously join I think this could add alotta depth to the game. And like Curry said make it feel much more open.

[Newboi]

You could get more powerful weapons early, but there will be a severe lack of ammunition due to lack of personnel who carry them?

[julps31]

Hmm..that would make sense too.

[yoshaw]

Curry

Wait till in the game, we think we're safe in an alley, finally away from prying PMC soldiers or militia. Only to find drippin blood on our shoulders, look up and holy fcuk, it's them heel wearing organic metal gears with R2D2(star wars) for a face.

What? U say Kojima has already shown that? Get outta here!! I thought I was being an original for the first time, darn it kojima-san :cry2:




^_^

[Newboi]

Having the ability to send an electrical charge through your combat knife is just too gangsta!!!

Terrified PMC solider: "Wha..wha...what are you gonna do to me...are you gonna cut me?"

Snake: "Yes, I might just cut you....OR SHOCK YOUR DUMBASS!!!"

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Zap yo dumbass!

[Newboi]

Yeah it's Solid Snake bitch and I'm here to cock-block ya Liquid!!!

(Man I need to stop twisting Juggernaut lines)

[Voidler]

All MGS fans need to sign this to get the MGS theme back in MGS4. The only reason it's out is because of some apparent plagiarism issues

http://www.petitiononline.com/mgs4p/petition.html

[Passive]

um, wtf? why would it be plagiarism if they use the theme they created?

seems a little bit far fetched :P if it was plagiarism, they wouldnt have put it in mgs2 or mgs3.





heel wearing organic metal gears with R2D2(star wars) for a face.

Metal Gear Gekko

[julps31]

:wtf: Yea wtf is that? They better have a good reason because that theme is classic.

[Passive]

I just watched the youtube video on it and yes the MGS theme and the peice composed by Sviridov in '74 are very similar but according to plagiarism laws it would only be plagiarism if the sheet music were identical, which i highly doubt they would be. dont worry MGS fans we will hear our much loved theme in the last intallment. :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I heard kojima say the theme wasn't in there because he wanted other music in the trailers to get certain feelings across, not cuz they couldn't use it anymore.

[Passive]

^ Thats what i heard ages ago too Lali. I mean the feel of the 15min clip we all know and love was amazing with that piece of music, i REALLY i hope that piece is in the final game.

[Luis]

Who said it's going to be out? MGS4's main theme was intentionally different since the beginning. The E3 2006 trailer was released prior to this interview (August 2006), and the previous trailer had nothing like it anyway.

And just read this youtube comment:


Why most of you are so stupid? I am from Russia, and this interview was taken at GC 2006. The truth is, this song _was_ remixed by japan composer in 90's. But nobody _blame_ Kojima or Konami in plagiarism. Georgy Sviridov died in 1998 and his songs are national patrimony in Russia. Nobody gonna sue them or anything like that. On the contrary we are proud that this song appeard in MGS series.

And this:


You're more right than you know. :D It IS some obscure traditional Russian folk melody's version re-composed by Sviridov.
And IF than is a plagiarism, then it doesn't matter, because traditional music is noone's property.

I don't know how true that could be, but whatever. The music is similar but not THAT close.

And is it me or does it just sound like the MGS2 theme? It might sound a bit like MGS3's theme as well, but that's about it. Blame Harry Gregson Williams anyway :shrug: :laugh:

[Passive]

they will include it somewhere in the game. it cant not be there. :P

[Voidler]

um, wtf? why would it be plagiarism if they use the theme they created?

seems a little bit far fetched :P if it was plagiarism, they wouldnt have put it in mgs2 or mgs3
Watch the video in the petition link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTcNUoxCmHI

It's a musical score created by a Russian classical composer named Sviridov in 1974. It's obvious TAPPY (who made the MGS theme) directly plagiarised certain elements of the music. I'm guessing Kojima didn't know until after MGS2 and 3 were out

SolidSnakex at NeoGAF also mentioned that these similar parts of the MGS theme were removed on the 20th Anniversary OST which is the most worrying thing

[Passive]

according to all track listings on the Metal Gear Solid 20th Anniversary ost, the main theme is in there. and i just bought it to see.

[Voidler]

according to all track listings on the Metal Gear Solid 20th Anniversary ost, the main theme is in there. and i just bought it to see.Yes,but the main part is missing supposedly.


It's removed, they have the MGS theme on the 20th anniversary soundtrack. You know what the problem is? They removed the part of the song that was plagarized, and that was the best part of the song.

Here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7218727&postcount=3868)

[my name is Nobody]

Sorry to interupt the conversation but thought you guys might find
this interesting. In an earlier post I was saying how much my mother
liked MGS4 gameplay. She is visiting friends while on vacation and
called. Then she started to ask me about Snake and the MGS series.
She told her friends about it they wanted know more. One person
even asked if it had anything to do with the movie Escape From New York.
I spent the next twenty minutes explaining everything.

[my name is Nobody]

Sorry for the doublepost but how Do yo post attachmrnts. I have some Metal Gear artwork that I found on my harddrive you might like.

[Passive]

lol i dont believe it. im sorry to be blunt, but i flat out dont believe this would be cause for plag. i listen to the russian track in question and there is one or two ques that sound similar, not even enough to say it was ripped off. The rest of the track didnt even sound remotly like the mgs theme. im talking like 10 seconds at the most that it *might* sound the same. I very very highly doubt they would be caught on this. TAPPY might have got the basic melody from the russian score but he sure as hell didnt copy it.

no offence but i know a hell of a lot about musical scores, the ques, notes, sheet music, i can pick a certain note from any score if its in something else. and i cant see this as plag. the tempo is slightly different (which isnt an issue) the notes used are completly different. at most i heared two or three notes that were very close to the MGS theme.

again no offence but this wont get caught. and i dont care who SolidSnakeX is :P i bought the 20th annni ost and i'll listen to is myself and i bet you that the theme is in tackt.



EDIT:my name is nobody, click on advanced reply and click on the paperclip. ;)

[Voidler]

lol i dont believe it. im sorry to be blunt, but i flat out dont believe this would be cause for plag. i listen to the russian track in question and there is one or two ques that sound similar, not even enough to say it was ripped off. The rest of the track didnt even sound remotly like the mgs theme. im talking like 10 seconds at the most that it *might* sound the same. I very very highly doubt they would be caught on this. TAPPY might have got the basic melody from the russian score but he sure as hell didnt copy it.

no offence but i know a hell of a lot about musical scores, the ques, notes, sheet music, i can pick a certain note from any score if its in something else. and i cant see this as plag. the tempo is slightly different (which isnt an issue) the notes used are completly different. at most i heared two or three notes that were very close to the MGS theme.

again no offence but this wont get caught. and i dont care who SolidSnakeX is :P i bought the 20th annni ost and i'll listen to is myself and i bet you that the theme is in tackt.



EDIT:my name is nobody, click on advanced reply and click on the paperclip. ;)SSX is reliable, if he says it's not then it's not. I'm afraid you're going to have to face the harsh reality soon

[Passive]

cept i dont? :P

and again i dont care who he is.

and dont expect me to be polite to you anyway :P you come in here and try and ruin the MGS fun with your doomsday talk about the theme being axed.

okay lets pretend for a minute it was taken out of the 20th anni ost, Kojima wouldnt leave it out of the last MGS game he's going to make. he just wouldnt :P he would pay whatever price he has to.

go and read up on music plagiarism laws. go on, have a good read. the two tracks are nothing alike, ive listen to the russian track about 10 times now and there is only one part where it sounds close to it. and watch the youtube video yourself, the guys who handed kojima the psp called it a 'present' how fkn rude is that? this was clearly made to rumble the foundations of diehard MGS fans. well not me :) no way. go take your negative talk elsewhere cos its sure as hell not wanted here.


oh and as for "if he says its not then its not" pfft what a load. do you always believe everything your told?


Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned

- Tyler Durden


sorry couldnt help but use that quote.

[Voidler]

cept i dont? :P

and again i dont care who he is.

and dont expect me to be polite to you anyway :P you come in here and try and ruin the MGS fun with your doomsday talk about the theme being axed.

okay lets pretend for a minute it was taken out of the 20th anni ost, Kojima wouldnt leave it out of the last MGS game he's going to make. he just wouldnt :P he would pay whatever price he has to.

go and read up on music plagiarism laws. go on, have a good read. the two tracks are nothing alike, ive listen to the russian track about 10 times now and there is only one part where it sounds close to it. and watch the youtube video yourself, the guys who handed kojima the psp called it a 'present' how fkn rude is that? this was clearly made to rumble the foundations of diehard MGS fans. well not me :) no way. go take your negative talk elsewhere cos its sure as hell not wanted here.


oh and as for "if he says its not then its not" pfft what a load. do you always believe everything your told?



sorry couldnt help but use that quote.I'm not being negative, I put this info up so you would all support my petition so we can make sure that Konami and Kojima are aware of how much we, the fanbase, want that theme to be a part of MGS4. What we know is that it hasn't featured in any MGS4 trailer, and those parts of the theme have reportedly been removed from the OST. I'm as ardent an MGS fan as anyone here, but I'm also realistic and these signs are worrying. Whatever the reason is. Maybe he's had trouble dealing with the family of the original composer, perhaps Kojima has felt it's not worth the trouble and he would do something new with the music. But like I said, I like many others want to make sure it's there in the game and talking about it amongst the community is the way to get that word out.

Furthermore, I've been at this site far longer than you, so don't accuse me of just coming here to troll.

[Passive]

I didnt acuse you of trolling and dont pull the "ive been here longer" card XD i hate that. if i got you wrong im sorry, i just hate being told something that has no confirmation yet and im not going on the word of SSX. its just not who i am.

well im gonna wait for this thread to geto the next page for my uber post which you will all love btw :P and if you are a MGS fan Voidler you shall love it too lol

[my name is Nobody]

Thanks Blacksin. Theres also the same pic with Sniper Wolf topless and
another version of it two page spread with other MGS characters on the side that are fully clothed.

[Voidler]

Wow great art. Who's the woman with the cigarette?

It's been a long time since I played :P

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Nastasha Romanenko, Snake's weapon's and technical analyst..

[Grovestreet]

Leaked MGS4 Ending (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMVv8pLbO8U)

Liquid fights Snake, what an ending...:devious:

[curryking1]

You liar, she wasn't topless. I want my money back!

[Habibti]

:lol:

[Luis]

That artwork is awesome. Unlike that ending :-/

Interesting how MGS1 actually had 5 female characters. There were 3 in MGS2, 3 in MGS3, 3 in MPO and so far we know there'll be at least 3 in MGS4. They could use more women :-p

[Passive]

oh grove! lmao! thats was awesome! and it goes well with what im going to post XD

Edit: ha! i thought it was lali who posted that, i got mixed up with the similar avatars

[my name is Nobody]

Heres a pic that I censored of Sniper Wolf with others not the one with
her alone.
CURRY YOUR NEVER GETTING THE PIC.:whip:
Call me a liar.

[Passive]

yay new page!! ha! here it comes!!


Okay uber comedy post ^^

Snake Vs Dante!!

Round 1 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/045/0/2/Dante_vs_Snake_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 2 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/046/7/6/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_2_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 3 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/046/9/2/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_3_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 4 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs9/f/2006/341/3/6/Dante_vs_Snake_3_5_by_Oboe.jpg)
Ding! half time! (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/269/8/8/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_7_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 5 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/047/f/8/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_4_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 6 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/054/f/d/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_5_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 7 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/269/c/d/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_6_by_Oboe.jpg)
Round 8 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/210/3/8/Dante_vs_Snake_Round_7_by_Oboe.jpg)

Dante attempting to help snake (http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7479/dantehelpingsnakeattempyh5.jpg)


Les Enfants Terribles (these crack me up)
Ep 1 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/247/5/b/Les_Enfants_Terribles_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 2 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/247/9/f/Les_Enfants_Terribles_2_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 3 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/232/a/7/Les_Enfants_Terribles_3_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 4 (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/235/c/2/Les_Enfants_Terribles_4_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 5 (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/247/6/3/Les_Enfants_Terribles_5_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 6 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/258/a/8/Les_Enfants_Terribles_6_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 7 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/284/a/c/Les_Enfants_Terribles_7_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 8 (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs15/f/2007/008/9/1/Les_Enfants_Terribles_8_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 9 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/100/5/1/Les_Enfants_Terribles_9_by_zarla.jpg)
Ep 10 (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/195/e/1/Les_Enfants_Terribles_10_by_zarla.jpg)

Snakes voice mail (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs15/i/2007/040/d/a/SOLID_SNAKE__S_voice_mail_by_AdamWarren.jpg)

Some cooler bits of work
Raidens return (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/156/d/9/MGS___4_Raiden_Returns_by_Rub_a_Duckie.jpg)
Snake (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/154/9/5/MGS_4___Solid_Snake_by_Rub_a_Duckie.jpg)
More Raiden (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/132/6/2/Guns_of_the_Patriots___by_adonihs.jpg)
Awesome Gray Fox picture (http://fc03.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/125/3/3/Come_A_Little_Closer.jpg)

[Segitz]

Great pics^^

If I could draw better, I'd done some such by now :D

[AC!D]

Has anyone heard anything about Collectors Edition for this game?

Do you guys know if online is being sold seperate or with the single player game?

[solidsnakejej]

Nothing about the Collectors Edition yet and the Online is sold separate.

[LiquidEagle]

I hope MGO is available at retail... I don't want to have to download it and then not get a box...

[masteratt]

I'm just a bit annoyed that it comes as a spereate game.

There is online within MGS4?

[curryking1]

Has it been confirmed to be separate? Damn... that defo would be annoying.

[Passive]

doesnt really bother me :P as long as its not a download. cos im like Liquid, i want a box XD

[LiquidEagle]

doesnt really bother me :P as long as its not a download. cos im like you, i have no name

What the...!?

[Passive]

i second that "what the"

lol

[curryking1]

Can the MGS4 thread make sense at least some of the time? Is it so much to ask!? Grr!!!

[Lucid Delusion]

doesnt really bother me :P as long as its not a download. cos im like Liquid, i want a box XD

Do you need scissors...61?

[julps31]

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=25011102&union_id=5363


Kojima also revealed that the intro sequence for MGS4 will be done by Logan, replacing Kyle Cooper who worked on the previous two installments. The intro sequence of MGS3 let users control the screen, but according to Kojima, MGS4 is going to be even better and startling. "The customer-service phone line is going to be flooded with calls, and I'm going to get fired," joked Kojima.

Whatever the intro will be like, Kojima's idea behind it was big enough to even get developers jumping out of their seats. According to MGS4 codirector Shuyou Murata, "I totally flipped out when I heard about it. It's going to be like a promotional video, but there's going to be more to it."

Logan's Alex Tylevich was tight about releasing any details, but he gave some first hints, commenting, "It's going to be highly unusual for a video game opening. It's going to be very futuristic."

Minds will be blown, people. As if the gameplay & story wasn't enough, even this game's opening TITLES are going to be just incredible!!!

Reposting for emphasis and excitment purposes lol. And to get this thread back on topic. :)

[Haris]

I would rather it be separate because I would think there'd be pressure to put more content in the online game.

[Smokey]

im really depressed about the MGS song not being in there :( :( THAT song IS Metal Gear :(

[Passive]

im really depressed about the MGS song not being in there :( :( THAT song IS Metal Gear :(

dont be sad just yet smokey ;)

want me to upload another track to get chills from lol?

again i really doubt Kojima will leave out this loved theme

[Smokey]

lol dont worry i kept that track :) It has to be there for the LAST MGS

[Passive]

it will be, and if its changed i doubt we'll notice the changes, all they would have to do it alter the pitch of some notes and its different according to plag. laws

[LiquidEagle]

I don't believe that track copyright thing for a second...

[Passive]

I don't believe that track copyright thing for a second...

ha! thank you! someone else who thinks its a load of bull.

[LiquidEagle]

I watched that video, and it's funny to hear Kojima saying, "chotto," which is Japanese for "a little" :laugh:

It's not close enough to be plagiarism, not at all, and VG, I think you mean the MGS1/MGS2 theme, not MGS2/MGS3... The MGS theme that allegedly copies from this classical/traditional piece (it definitely has some similarity) was used in the early trailers for MGS1 that you can unlock in VR Missions.

[yoshaw]

I watched that video, and it's funny to hear Kojima saying, "chotto," which is Japanese for "a little" :laugh:

Just a bit of correction needed there I guess.

Some correction, the words not "Chotto", I believe, it's "Jo'tto". Which means 'a little' in Japanese as u described the meaning perfectly already.

:thumbl:

BTW, I just saw that youtube video. Omg, what a bunch of assholes to approach kojima-san saying,

"We got a gift for you".

WTF!!? Jeez, man c'mon! You can be a lil more courteous than bastards while doing that. It's not like Kojima-san himself composed or ordered to copy it 100&#37;. Harry Gregson Williams for teh lose :moon:

[Passive]

^^^ Yoshaw it wasn't HGW who composed the original theme it was TAPPY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAPPY).


And at the Request of CurryKing more MGS art :)

most of these (actually all) arent meant ot be funny, but there are some really cool pieces here so have a look ^^

Metal Gear Ray Pre-Launch (http://fc04.deviantart.com/images/i/2003/37/b/b/Metal_Gear_Ray_Prelaunch.jpg)
Rough Snake (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/121/e/7/metal_gear_by_nefar007.jpg)
Twin Snakes (http://fc04.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/118/3/e/Metal_Gear_Solid___Twin_Snakes.jpg)
Graphic Novel Style (http://fc03.deviantart.com/images/i/2002/47/c/2/metal_gear_solid_colors.jpg)
MGS2 Fanart (http://fc02.deviantart.com/images/i/2003/11/7/b/Metal_Gear_Solid_Promo_Poster.jpg)
Comic style Snake eater (http://fc03.deviantart.com/files/f/2007/120/e/c/METAL_GEAR_3_PAGE_01_by_gordotote.jpg)
Rough Eva (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/362/b/7/metal_gear_solid___Eva_by_WINGLESSxANGEL.jpg)
MG gander (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/315/9/1/Metal_Gear_Gander_by_SolidAlexei.jpg)
Snake Shot (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/331/9/8/Snake_Shot_by_Artgerm.jpg)
Ocelot (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/155/f/d/Metal_Gear_Solid___Ocelot_by_MunkyFlux.jpg)
Cool Snaker eater drawing (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/110/2/7/Metal_Gear_Solid__Snake_Eater_by_jets.jpg)
Snake and Rex (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/193/2/1/Metal_Gear___Solid_Snake_by_Murd_Ed.jpg)
Metal Gear: the movie (ha! this is good honest) (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/164/e/d/Metal_Gear__the_Movie_by_Nether83.jpg)
Snake and Eva (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/151/f/d/Snake_and_Eva_by_transfuse.jpg)
Snake MGS2 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2005/124/c/9/Metal_Gear_Solid_2_by_Earthdin.jpg)
Snakes aging (fast lol) (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs10/f/2006/325/f/5/Metal_Gear_Senile_by_2dforever.jpg)
MG Rex (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/240/5/6/Metal_Gear_Rex.jpg)
Old pose, Old suit (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/310/7/9/Old_Pose__Older_Suit__by_lhs.jpg)
Sneak Snake (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/229/c/0/Sneak_Snake.jpg)
Rough MGS (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/198/2/6/Metal_Gear_Crap_by_nemissa.jpg)
Snake Bite (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/170/9/d/Snake_Bite_by_Artgerm.jpg)
The Interrorgator (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/168/c/4/The_Interrogator_by_2dforever.jpg)
MGS1 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/364/f/6/Metal_Gear_by_retort.jpg)
Same as above but different colours (http://fc03.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/121/f/c/Metal_Gear_Solid_coloring.jpg)
Pepper (http://fc01.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/124/9/3/La_Vie_En_Rose.jpg)
A few MGS pics mixed in there (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs15/f/2007/083/6/7/Doodles_3_by_tsuji.jpg)
Enemy from above (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/163/0/1/MGS_enemy_at_above_by_brilcrist.jpg)
alternate Raiden (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/153/0/8/Metal_Gear_solid_fanart_by_skazi222.jpg)
More Snake (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/090/7/3/METAL_GEAR__sketch_by_dwinbotp.jpg)
Snake and Raiden (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/043/9/e/metal_gear_solid_by_teemunkle.jpg)
Naked Snake (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/212/e/b/Still_in_a_dream___Snake_Eater_by_The_Switcher.jpg )
Solidus (this one is pretty cool take on him) (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/159/a/6/MGS_Solidus_Fanart_by_dcwj.jpg)
Liquid (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/283/8/b/Liquid_Profile_by_WolfOfTheSteppes.jpg)
The Boss (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2005/122/8/2/The_Boss_WIP_by_GhostYurei.jpg)
The Boss (colour) (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/172/7/6/The_Boss_by_GhostYurei.jpg)
Naked Snake Black and White (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/094/3/8/Snake_Eater_WIP_by_GhostYurei.jpg)
Ocelot (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/114/3/1/Young_Ocelot_WIP_by_GhostYurei.jpg)
EVA (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/160/3/4/EVA_by_scabrouspencil.jpg)
More Eva lol (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2005/124/2/7/EVA_MGS_3_by_Earthdin.jpg)


lol and now a bunch of Sniper Wolf.
Wolf 1 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/154/8/0/Sniper_Wolf_by_scabrouspencil.jpg)
Wolf 2 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/145/b/8/Sniper_Wolf.jpg)
Wolf 3 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/345/c/0/Sniper_Wolf_by_OZKai.jpg)
Wolf 4 (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/079/e/1/Sniper_Wolf_01_by_tze1.jpg)
Wolf 5 (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs13/i/2007/044/a/d/A_Sniper_Called_Wolf_by_SpikeSpgl101.jpg)
Wolf and Big Boss (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/355/d/c/WIP___no_bg_by_WolfOfTheSteppes.jpg)


and a few more random characters.
Solid Snake (http://fc01.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/161/c/e/Solid_Snake.jpg)
Solid again (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/184/f/7/Solid_Snake__by_anthriel.jpg)
Sniper Wolf and Big boss (with background) (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs9/i/2006/008/8/5/Palawan_by_WolfOfTheSteppes.jpg)
A true Patriot (http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/f/2006/347/f/3/A_True_Patriot_by_The_Switcher.jpg)
The Boss (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/076/6/c/The_Boss_by_lilykane.jpg)
Raiden (http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs11/i/2006/243/4/b/MGS_4__Raiden_by_elpinoy.jpg)
Rough Raiden (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/160/1/f/CGM_06__Raiden_by_Roboto_kun.jpg)
Raidens Return (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/315/c/5/Raiden__s_Return_by_bibly.jpg)
Raiden Vs Vamp (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/198/a/5/Raiden_vs_Vamp_by_Roboto_kun.jpg)
Raiden,Snake and Ocelot (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/125/e/7/Snake_Raiden_Ocelot_Sketch_by_Toshinho.jpg)
And one more Snake pic (http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/089/7/c/Solid_Snake_by_kandoken.jpg)


Lol okay im none now XD ENJOY

[Lucid Delusion]

^^

The one of Raiden vs Vamp is fantastic.

[curryking1]

I like these three :)

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2005/124/c/9/Metal_Gear_Solid_2_by_Earthdin.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/151/f/d/Snake_and_Eva_by_transfuse.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/154/8/0/Sniper_Wolf_by_scabrouspencil.jpg

[Segitz]

Sniper Wolf and Big boss (with background) (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs9/i/2006/008/8/5/Palawan_by_WolfOfTheSteppes.jpg)


I liked this one best... This one has this "arabic war" feeling for MGS4

[Luis]

In-depth interview (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22921.html)

[curryking1]

Anyone willing to do a nice summary? Nice find VG:P

[Segitz]

Anyone willing to do a nice summary? Nice find VG:P

I'll do it, but wait a sec, till I am finished watching it (~4mins)

How do you use the Sixaxis?
- Peeking around the corners
- Shaking for resetting the Octo-Camo
- Obviously, if you give H. Kojima a new Hardware feature, he's gonna use it (He will play around with it)
How does Octo-Camo work with Snake's head?
-It is a mask (who would've thought??!?)
- The Solid Eye gives you much more information on the battlefield
How do the waring soldiers play into the game's mechanics?
- One of the foundations of the game
- You can either team up with the Militia or don't -> It's up to the player to decide
- They may let you into their base/hideout
- They become your enemys when you kill them
Will dogtags return?
- No decision yet made
- There'll be something new (referring to the "checking out the Militia man in the play demo)
What are you the most proud of in this new Metal Gear game?
- How dense it is
- They got 150 people working on it
- They are also using people outside
- They are going "all over the world" in terms of locations (compared to Tanker and Shell in MGS2)
- "If you are sick of this environment, you're moving to the next"
Is this truly the end of the Metal Gear series?
- Hideo said it, but it's up to us to decide^^
- It's hard to imagine for him that MGS is over
- Snake's story will be wrapped up in this game (sounds like either spin offs and/or different storys will be told further on)


That's it

[LiquidEagle]

I liked this one best... This one has this "arabic war" feeling for MGS4

Yeah, I love the way Big Boss & Wolf look in that picture... soooooo cool

[GTAce]

I'll do it, but wait a sec, till I am finished watching it (~4mins)

How do you use the Sixaxis?
- Peeking around the corners
- Shaking for resetting the Octo-Camo
- Obviously, if you give H. Kojima a new Hardware feature, he's gonna use it (He will play around with it)
How does Octo-Camo work with Snake's head?
-It is a mask (who would've thought??!?)
- The Solid Eye gives you much more information on the battlefield
How do the waring soldiers play into the game's mechanics?
- One of the foundations of the game
- You can either team up with the Militia or don't -> It's up to the player to decide
- They may let you into their base/hideout
- They become your enemys when you kill them
Will dogtags return?
- No decision yet made
- There'll be something new (referring to the "checking out the Militia man in the play demo)
What are you the most proud of in this new Metal Gear game?
- How dense it is
- They got 150 people working on it
- They are also using people outside
- They are going "all over the world" in terms of locations (compared to Tanker and Shell in MGS2)
- "If you are sick of this environment, you're moving to the next"
Is this truly the end of the Metal Gear series?
- Hideo said it, but it's up to us to decide^^
- It's hard to imagine for him that MGS is over
- Snake's story will be wrapped up in this game (sounds like either spin offs and/or different storys will be told further on)


That's it

Thanks! :thumbl:

[KRA]

I'll do it, but wait a sec, till I am finished watching it (~4mins)

How do you use the Sixaxis?
- Peeking around the corners
- Shaking for resetting the Octo-Camo
- Obviously, if you give H. Kojima a new Hardware feature, he's gonna use it (He will play around with it)
How does Octo-Camo work with Snake's head?
-It is a mask (who would've thought??!?)
- The Solid Eye gives you much more information on the battlefield
How do the waring soldiers play into the game's mechanics?
- One of the foundations of the game
- You can either team up with the Militia or don't -> It's up to the player to decide
- They may let you into their base/hideout
- They become your enemys when you kill them
Will dogtags return?
- No decision yet made
- There'll be something new (referring to the "checking out the Militia man in the play demo)
What are you the most proud of in this new Metal Gear game?
- How dense it is
- They got 150 people working on it
- They are also using people outside
- They are going "all over the world" in terms of locations (compared to Tanker and Shell in MGS2)
- "If you are sick of this environment, you're moving to the next"
Is this truly the end of the Metal Gear series?
- Hideo said it, but it's up to us to decide^^
- It's hard to imagine for him that MGS is over
- Snake's story will be wrapped up in this game (sounds like either spin offs and/or different storys will be told further on)


That's it

and the best. magazines with babes have more sites now :)

[LiquidEagle]

For those with Windows XP (aka everybody except Omni and a few weirdos :-p), I wanted to link y'all to a bootskin I made last year, it's for the Windows loading screen when you start up your computer. I'm pretty happy with it and I had a hard time finding a good MGS one so I made one meself :-D

http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6686&libid=32

[OmniStalgic]

Snake will either die or become the next Big Boss--my thinking anyway...

@ liquid--dude I can SOOOOO already do that;)

lol

[julps31]

For those with Windows XP (aka everybody except Omni and a few weirdos :-p), I wanted to link y'all to a bootskin I made last year, it's for the Windows loading screen when you start up your computer. I'm pretty happy with it and I had a hard time finding a good MGS one so I made one meself :-D

http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6686&libid=32Well exccuuse me for wanting to stick with the more stable version of windows (xp that is) lol. :-p