Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Rockmond]

I'm sure that when he meant this was going to be his last game and all, he just meant that it was the end of the Metal Gear Solid saga. I'm sure we'll see other Metal Gear games or series from Kojima Productions, and Kojima will only be there to assist them on the production rather than being 100% involved in them. But I bet he'll feel nostalgic a few years from now and will put some of his magic in them.

That said, I want him to work on new ideas and franchises. Let's see how his incredible talent is translated to other genres or settings.

I would like to see a JRPG by Kojima...

[Bsack]

aren't you guys kinda upset he's even going to be done with the series. Do you not realize how disappointed I am with that fact.

[Luis]

I think that if this wasn't going to be the last MGS game, it wouldn't be half as good as it'll be in the end. The series must come to a great end before there really is nothing else to be told and degenerates badly. And I don't care what hevymac says :realmad

[solidsnakejej]

I'm not disappointed I want to see other games from Kojima. Plus we have more MPOs to look forward to.

Heres Kojima at the Sony press conference.
http://gametrailers.com/player/21653.html

[Handycrap101]

With the way the series is now... I'd be MORE pissed if he actually continued it. As far as the Solid Snake saga goes, it NEEDS to end. I don't want a bunch of spin-offs being released every year. Have this be the last one and end the series on a high note. No need to carry it on forever. Allow Kojima and Snake to end their legacy graciously...

[solidsnakejej]

Looks like Raiden lost part of his jaw
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q282/The_Bread/NUVAMP.jpg

[masteratt]

I'm not sure I want to end Vamp :(

[Smokey]

ive got a feeling Raiden will be the new "snake" on the block. if so this will be my last of the series, ive got to have Snake, Kojima & Hayeter or nothing cant believe its the END :(

[Luis]

I think Raiden will die simply because all of the Ninja characters die

[Zak]

I think ill buy a ps3 today.

[Sephiroth_VII]

^Congrats!

Anyway, I have a little theory:

The guy with the mask is Raiden before he got the exoskeleton. The nanomachine-controlled soldiers in the trailer are going to kill him, and he's somehow saved by Snake. So, according to my theory, MGS4 will be split in two like MGS3, with the scene from the trailer being pat of the first arch.
The only problem is that Raiden already has nanomachines in his body...

Oh well, it's just a theory anyway.

[rog27]

Hey, in case you guys didn't catch it in the trailer, Metal Gear Solid 4 officially takes place in 2014, making "Old Snake" exactly 42 years old (he was cloned in 1972). When Snake is talking in the voice over with Naomi (I think it's her?), she says she injected him with the Foxdie 9 years ago at Shadow Moses, which took place in 2005. At that time Snake was 33 years old.

Timeline solved.

[Red_Eyes]

So how old would Big Boss be in this game, IF Big Boss is in this game.

[yoshaw]

^=-o the math!!

[Kronz]

I'm sure that when he meant this was going to be his last game and all, he just meant that it was the end of the Metal Gear Solid saga. I'm sure we'll see other Metal Gear games or series from Kojima Productions, and Kojima will only be there to assist them on the production rather than being 100% involved in them. But I bet he'll feel nostalgic a few years from now and will put some of his magic in them.

That said, I want him to work on new ideas and franchises. Let's see how his incredible talent is translated to other genres or settings.

Well, I recall he distinctly said, "This will be the last video game..." Or at least that's what the interpreter said.


I think that if this wasn't going to be the last MGS game, it wouldn't be half as good as it'll be in the end. The series must come to a great end before there really is nothing else to be told and degenerates badly. And I don't care what hevymac says :realmad

... And after it ends, Konami will release something like the Silmarillion of Metal Gear?


So how old would Big Boss be in this game, IF Big Boss is in this game.

Honestly, he hasn't played a role as more than a story device since the late eighties. I just don't see him coming back for this. Nor will we Solidus in Guns of the Patriots, in my opinion. We will for certain see Raiden (and that's kind of a bittersweet acknowledgment for me) and perhaps Olga Gurlukovich. Her baby could possibly be a big part of the story. Regardless, I trust that it'll blow everyone away and turn the tide in terms of console sales.

[solidsnakejej]

Well, I recall he distinctly said, "This will be the last video game..." Or at least that's what the interpreter said.
Here go look at this video he says this will be his last game of this series.
http://gametrailers.com/player/21645.html
And just for fun.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/SimMaster/rapetime.png

[SleazyBig slim]

Does anyone else think MGS4 doesn't look so good anymore after seeing the Killzone2 trailer?

[Diresu]

Does anyone else think MGS4 doesn't look so good anymore after seeing the Killzone2 trailer?

Nah, its as jaw dropping as ever. Then again, metal gear could have ps1 graphics and id still think its the best thing ever.

[Jay Gee]

It's honestly gone down a couple of notches, but that's the difference between first party and third party developer resources. I couldn't imagine MGS4 with all the tools and funding Guerilla's getting. My head would asplode.>_<

[solidsnakejej]

Does anyone else think MGS4 doesn't look so good anymore after seeing the Killzone2 trailer?

Well Kojima said from the beginning that he could of made it look a lot better, more realistic but that it wouldn't look like a MGS game. It still looks amazing especially vamp.
http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07284/MGS4_E3-2007_A.jpg
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.&#37;20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots/MGS4_E3-2007_B03.jpg

[Kronz]

Does anyone else think MGS4 doesn't look so good anymore after seeing the Killzone2 trailer?

Well, there's a few differences between the two. For example, Metal Gear Solid 4 won't suck, whereas Killzone 2 will. I think that's the biggest one. All of the others are nugatory by comparison.

[Diresu]

Well, there's a few differences between the two. For example, Metal Gear Solid 4 won't suck, whereas Killzone 2 will. I think that's the biggest one. All of the others are nugatory by comparison.

Oh come on, thats uncalled for. So far the impressions for KZ2 imply nothing then that it will be a damn awesome FPS.

[Luis]

http://xs117.xs.to/xs117/07284/MGS4_E3-2007_cap00.jpg

Amazing =-o

[Diresu]

Damn straight

[curryking1]

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07284/MGS4.jpg

YESSSS!!!

Snake looks as good as from the TGS trailer! This was my favourite suit of his!!! And his looks the same style as from the original trailer, and it moves the same!

This is the best E3 ever, by sooo far!!!

[Luis]

Get all of the direct feed HQ screenshots here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/index.php?gallery=1.&#37;20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots)

[Kronz]

Vamp looks strangely sexy...
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.&#37;20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots/MGS4_E3-2007_B03.jpg
Maybe it's that grizzly patch of chest hair or those richly protuberant veins of his... Mmmm... Dee-lish. What a hunk!

[Luis]

That pic is gay photoshopping bait :laugh:

In case you didn't know, Vamp's appearance and moves are inspired by Joaqu&#237;n Cort&#233;s (http://images.google.com/images?q=Joaqu&#37;C3%ADn%20Cort%C3%A9s&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi), a Spanish dancer.

[Kronz]

That pic is gay photoshopping bait :laugh:

In case you didn't know, Vamp's appearance and moves are inspired by Joaqu&#237;n Cort&#233;s (http://images.google.com/images?q=Joaqu&#37;C3%ADn%20Cort%C3%A9s&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi), a Spanish dancer.

I had read something about that, actually. Vamp looks better, though.

[Luis]

It's actually mentioned in The Document of MGS2. It's nice that he dances and looks like him, although obviously Vamp is a much more complex character than that. However, I think it's an awesome source of inspiration and it's not even the only one.

In that documentary, they also talk about two other villains that never appeared in MGS2. One was Old Boy, a 100 years old Nazi general and China Man, an special effects and fireworks stuntman. Both are mentioned in MGS2 as well as another character related to Dead Cell, and it's also said that they were killed prior to the Plant chapter events. The Old Boy concept was reworked and he became The End in MGS3. China Man's boss battle was scrapped and redesigned for Vamp (remember the square room with a pool in the middle?).

By the way: according to Wikipedia, the new FOXHOUND unit members are called Ed (black guy with tattoos in his arms) and Jonathan (tall guy with mohawk hair style). The third guy remains a mystery, although you can see his hair is blond. Interestingly, the guy we see in the TGS 2006 trailer with a mask and the Solid Eye system also shows blond hair in the back of his head, although you know what happens when he removes his mask. Is that Kojima yet another playing with our minds again? Definately yes.

Funny that the main character in Killzone 2, Sev, also has a mohawk hair style. What's with it lately on PS3 games? :-p

[solidsnakejej]

That pic is gay photoshopping bait :laugh:
You knew someone would eventually do it.:spit::buldge:
http://m1.freeshare.us/158fs417278.gif

[Luis]

:look:

[Kronz]

:look:

Which one's OnBake, do you suppose?

[Grovestreet]

You knew someone would eventually do it.:spit::buldge:
http://m1.freeshare.us/158fs417278.gif

There's something not right about that...

[makeitlookreal]

I'm impressed by this game. I think the graphics are almost as good as TGS.

[Smokey]

You knew someone would eventually do it.:spit::buldge:
http://m1.freeshare.us/158fs417278.gif

lol

[Zak]

WTF guys the games not even out yet.

make fun of Killzone not MGS4

[Passive]

WTF guys the games not even out yet.

make fun of Killzone not MGS4

dude? lol where is the logic in that?..... KZ isnt out either

[OmniStalgic]

Looks like this is the finale for Kojima;-(

I hope he brings back ZOE...

[LiquidEagle]

I'm pretty sure the other guy is Raiden. From the little hair bit and the fact that he's unaffected (because he was probably infiltrating through FOX-HOUND and didn't actually have nanomachines), I have my money on that being Raiden personally.

As for the names of those other guys, I'm really curious where Wikipedia got their names from. They clearly weren't stated in the trailer, so if they're not in some kind of a casting list or something I don't know where they came from.

[BahnNZ]

Looks like this is the finale for Kojima;-(

I hope he brings back ZOE...

We can just kidnap him like Kathy Bates in Misery and make him make one more MGS. That dirty bird.

But yeah, not leaving games. ZOE or Policenauts or something new. All good.

[solidsnakejej]

As for the names of those other guys, I'm really curious where Wikipedia got their names from. They clearly weren't stated in the trailer, so if they're not in some kind of a casting list or something I don't know where they came from.

One of the names were said, when they were being affected by SOP you hear the masked guy says Jonathan for the mohawk guy at around 2:00 to 2:05 but they didn't say the other guy's name. I'm not sure where on Wiki they say this but I think they named the other one Ed Brown who worked with Jonathan in Policenauts. But only Meryl and Jonathan are confirmed so far.

[Luis]

I'm pretty sure the other guy is Raiden. From the little hair bit and the fact that he's unaffected (because he was probably infiltrating through FOX-HOUND and didn't actually have nanomachines), I have my money on that being Raiden personally.Er... what?

In MGS2, the GW tells Raiden that he must remain alive as well as his nanomachines, or else Olga's son dies.

Secondly: Kojima explained that Raiden had lost his body except for the head and that his blood is white now, although he didn't elaborate on this other than it's a parallelism with Snatcher.

And last but not least: the blond hair showing below the back of the mask of you know who...


One of the names were said, when they were being affected by SOP you hear the masked guy says Jonathan for the mohawk guy at around 2:00 to 2:05 but they didn't say the other guy's name. I'm not sure where on Wiki they say this but I think they named the other one Ed Brown who worked with Jonathan in Policenauts. But only Meryl and Jonathan are confirmed so far.Meryl's bullet earring is also a reference to that. I can buy that explanation :-p

[Viper]

Supposedly Kojima has a project in the back burner for all 3 consoles after MGS4. Problem is he says he only works on one game at a time meaning it could be a while before he gets around to whatever console you play but we know for sure he's not leaving the industry altogether.

[Luis]

Supposedly Kojima has a project in the back burner for all 3 consoles after MGS4. Problem is he says he only works on one game at a time meaning it could be a while before he gets around to whatever console you play but we know for sure he's not leaving the industry altogether.Supposedly what? Kojima always works on several games at once but only on one platform at a time for each game. One of the arguments all trolls ignored all the time against false rumours on MGS4 being ported to 360 is the fact that Kojima has been stressing that ever since Kojima Productions has been founded, they're committed to creating games that exploit the particular features of a given system, which rules out making a particular game as a multiplatform title. They've actually been working exactly like this so far.

Nobody said he's leaving the industry, that's just not right at all. He's definately working and thinking about new games that aren't necessarily PS3 or Playstation games for that matter. We'll see what he creates after MGS4, as he's expressed many times that he needs to finish working on that huge project to allow himself to focus on something else.

[Viper]

He said it in an interview not long ago that he now only works on one game at a time so he can focus on just that game.

[Luis]

Like I said, what he exactly does is working on several games at a time, but only on one platform at a time for each game, and they won't do multiplatform games. The most clear example would be MPO for PSP and MGS4 for PS3. MPO was released a few months ago and it was developed at the same time as MGS4.

[solidsnakejej]

The Kojima Production team does work on multiply games at one time I remember last year they were working on MGS4, MGS:PO, and Lunar Knights at the same time. I believe he will take a part of the team and do a Wii game and another head by Shuyo Murata and will do a PS3 game with the MGS4 engine and that most likely will be ZOE3 because Murata headed the other ZOE games and another will do a portable game.

[Viper]

Hey, I'm just reporting what he said himself in an interview recently, that's all.

I get your points though.

[LiquidEagle]

In terms of directing though, and the level of involvement he has in the MGS games (as in, MGS1, MGS2, MGS3, and MGS4), he's a one game at a time and he lets others direct the Acids and the Portable Ops or the Lunar Knights games.

Anyhoo, I know Raiden's story about having lost limbs & such, but we don't know the specifics and we can't really piece together a timeline so far of MGS4's events shown in the trailers. It could be that he's normal at the beginning but is transformed into &#220;ber-Raiden a little while into the game, we just don't know until we play it :-p

As for his nanomachines, the batteries die on them (as Naomi said in #1) and they're no longer trackable, and I think there's a good chance Snake already found Olga's baby. That's info we'll just have to wait for MGS4 to really find out.

[Luis]

Hey, I'm just reporting what he said himself in an interview recently, that's all.

I get your points though.Well, just provide a quote instead of putting words in his mouth, because what he actually does is not quite like what you're saying :-p


Anyhoo, I know Raiden's story about having lost limbs & such, but we don't know the specifics and we can't really piece together a timeline so far of MGS4's events shown in the trailers. It could be that he's normal at the beginning but is transformed into &#220;ber-Raiden a little while into the game, we just don't know until we play it :-pI'd swear that the new guy doesn't have the same voice, although he sounds young, like Raiden. I'd bet he's somehow a relative of a known character rather than someone out of nowhere.


As for his nanomachines, the batteries die on them (as Naomi said in #1) and they're no longer trackableBut those were 1st generation nanomachines :-p Shouldn't Raiden have 2nd generation ones? ;)

[Viper]

Well, just provide a quote instead of putting words in his mouth, because what he actually does is not quite like what you're saying :-p
Um, I didn't put words in his mouth. If you know how to quote an interview, please elaborate how.


Even Liquid Eagle just pointed it out.

[solidsnakejej]

Yes in terms of directing the games he does direct one at a time but he does give concepts of games he's thinking of to other directors within KP to develop the game and also helps with the project like Boktai. But with MGS4 he is putting all his focus into it.

EDIT: Oh yea just a reminder on Tuesday Kojima will be demoing MGS4 at the Sony press event.

[Luis]

Um, I didn't put words in his mouth. If you know how to quote an interview, please elaborate how.A link would suffice.


Even Liquid Eagle just pointed it out.Liquid talks about directing, when Kojima's roles in his games can include writing, directing and producing. He's definately also busy with MGS's movies preproduction, so go figure.

[Z]

I don't know if just wants to or actually started on it, but didn't he mention making unique projects for all three new systems?

guess these things take time to manifest. in any case, this is MGS4 season and everyone is invited (that has a PS3)! lol

[LiquidEagle]

I'd swear that the new guy doesn't have the same voice, although he sounds young, like Raiden. I'd bet he's somehow a relative of a known character rather than someone out of nowhere.

If it isn't Raiden, then yeah -- it's definitely somebody we've seen before IMO. It's obviously too early to be Olga's baby (he would be like 7 :laugh:) or Raiden's kid, but it's pretty clearly a male. I still think it's Raiden :-p


But those were 1st generation nanomachines :-p Shouldn't Raiden have 2nd generation ones? ;)

pfft. doesn't matter what generation, all nanomachines need power :-p

[Passive]

i agree with liquid, i still think its raiden. and it does sound like him.

[solidsnakejej]

I don't think it's Raiden, it doesn't really sound like him. Some people think it's Richard Horvitz (VA for Invader Zim) who has been confirmed to have lines but have no idea what character he is doing. Here he is in a sketch (you have to sign up to youtube to get through to it).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cIKfeemIGPs

[Luis]

If it isn't Raiden, then yeah -- it's definitely somebody we've seen before IMO. It's obviously too early to be Olga's baby (he would be like 7 :laugh:) or Raiden's kid, but it's pretty clearly a male. I still think it's Raiden :-pHow about Frank Jaeger's son or something? :shrug:


pfft. doesn't matter what generation, all nanomachines need power :-pI know, but what I meant was that 2nd or 3rd generation ones might get their power from the host. At least that's what I feel it was like in MGS2.

[Goki]

Maybe Olgas child. He is blonde with that hair sticking out of his balachlova. If memory serves me correct so was Olga.

[solidsnakejej]

Maybe Olgas child. He is blonde with that hair sticking out of his balachlova. If memory serves me correct so was Olga.

He would be 7 years old when MGS4 takes place.

[GTAce]

Or he has something in his body that let him grow faster.
Its MGS almost everything is possible lol.

[Luis]

Has this been posted?

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/event2007/index.html

[LiquidEagle]

I don't think so, but I have been there before... we might see an addition on there as early as today since it's the 17th in Japan already. :-D

[Nameless]

If you were not pleased with the encoding or compression on the released trailer check out these pics:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/E3-2007-Metal-Gear-Solid-4-Screenshots-For-PS3-5331.html

[Luis]

That site loads too slowly and they cropped all the screenshots for some reason. Get all the direct feed ones here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/index.php?gallery=1.&#37;20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots).

[Nameless]

^ Good call...

[Segitz]

Is the japanese event of which godly Hideo Kojima spoke of tomorrow??

[GTAce]

Yep.
Its gonna be a GOOD day.
MGS4 and we get some new GT5 P news tomorrow too.

[Luis]

:cloud9:

[julps31]

What he said...^ Me loves me some MGS. Finally get to see some gameplay.

[Red_Eyes]

That site loads too slowly and they cropped all the screenshots for some reason. Get all the direct feed ones here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/index.php?gallery=1.%20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots).
WTF? The video playing on my TV looks better than those pictures.

[Luis]

The PSN video doesn't have a high bitrate, which is understandable because it's 6+ minutes long. These screenshots look considerably better than the video, seriously.

[makeitlookreal]

I forgot, is the game supposed to be in 1080P.

[Fats]

^Don't think so.

[masteratt]

Not at the moment, no.

Wouldn't surprise me though if it is.

Beaten by Fats.

[Epix]

Kojima realtime demo tomorrow? Anyone have the details?

[Segitz]

Pic (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.&#37;20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots/MGS4_E3-2007_cap04.jpg)

Man, this game looks sooooo godlike

[Viper]

Pic (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.%20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots/MGS4_E3-2007_cap04.jpg)

Man, this game looks sooooo godlike

And to think, that's still a jpg image. The raw image would look even better.

[Luis]

The best thing about the MGS series is not the technical quality of its graphics, but the art direction.

Nearly off-topic, but check this (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3035&p=2).

[julps31]

Pic (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.%20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/E3%202007%20Screenshots/MGS4_E3-2007_cap04.jpg)

Man, this game looks sooooo godlikeCG quality graphics in real-time (remember that thread? lol) FTW!!!

@ Vg...that Metal Gear box is sexy lol. Definantly has the MGS color pallete and clean lines. Looks like something right out the game itself.

[curryking1]

That pic is freaking amazing :)

[Fats]

That's an awesome image alright, looks very nice as my Desktop picture.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7646/mgs4zo2.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs4zo2.jpg)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

no it looks good as MY desktop!

[Handycrap101]

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/event2007/index-en.html

Well boys... lets see what Kojima has in store for us today.

Apparently, 1up sen this guy:

http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=1002411

May want to stay tuned there or just the 1up home page.

[Luis]

First surprise of the day: Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus!


http://www.konamistyle.jp/upimages/001/042/itemVP041-J1p1_1.jpg

http://www.konamistyle.jp/upimages/001/042/itemVP041-J1p3_1.jpg

http://www.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konamistyle.jp%2Fecit em%2Fitem41408.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=es&ie=UTF8 (http://www.google.es/translate?u=http&#37;3A%2F%2Fwww.konamistyle.jp%2Fecit em%2Fitem41408.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=es&ie=UTF8)

[9thPower]

so... any videos of kojima playing the game?

[masteratt]

so... any videos of kojima playing the game?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

First surprise of the day: Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus!


http://www.konamistyle.jp/upimages/001/042/itemVP041-J1p1_1.jpg

http://www.konamistyle.jp/upimages/001/042/itemVP041-J1p3_1.jpg

http://www.google.es/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konamistyle.jp%2Fecit em%2Fitem41408.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=es&ie=UTF8


!

[Luis]

It's an expansion pack for the current MPO :-p More here (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=75990).

[solidsnakejej]

Well it looks like it's confirmed that he did just hope someone got a video of it.

For the Playstation 3, some new titles were shown including Sega's new project from the developers of Yakuza and Sakura Wars titled Valkyrja of the Battlefield(that is a variant spelling to Valkyrie apparently), Keita Takahashi's (Katamari Damacy series) new game titled Nobi Nobi Boy and Hideo Kojima showing a realtime demonstration of Metal Gear Solid 4. We will have more on the event in a short while so stay tuned!
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161355

[Luis]

MPO+ trailer and MGS4 E3 trailer with Japanese voice acting (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/event2007/index-jp.html)

Awesome MPO+ trailer ending, as usual :laugh:

[Luis]

There's more to the Japanese trailer than just voice acting :-p


Guys, as you might've noticed, the part where Snake says 'I'm no hero.. never was' between Naomi is replaced by different conversation in Japanese trailer.

Here are the lines in Japanese:

確かに彼は蹶起を目論んでいる
でも、ATセキュウティのシステムがある限り
成功はあり得ない
PMCがテロ行為やクーデターを起こそうとしたらー
強制的に武器、武器をロックすればいい
システムは完璧なんだな？
それは第三者が操作できるなんて事はあり得ない
だからスネーク
後は任せて
あなたに無駄死にして欲しくないの
それが俺の使命だ

Here is a rough translation, by me truly:

Naomi: He is planning to rise to action,
Naomi: But, the AT security system has limitations,
Naomi: It's not a success
Naomi: If PMCs were to perform coup detat or terrorism acts,
Naomi: Enforced weapons are fine to be locked,
Snake: I thought the system is perfect?
Naomi: That is not possible for the third generation,
Naomi: So Snake,
Naomi: Please take care of the rest,
Naomi: I don't want you to die a meaningless death,
Naomi: That is my fate.

[solidsnakejej]

Kojima demonstrated the first real game play of MGS4 at Playstation Premiere 2007 in Tokyo today.

(unfortunately no pic)
http://www.gpara.com/pickupnews/news/ps_premiere2007/index.php

http://www.gpara.com/pickupnews/news/ps_premiere2007/img/08.jpg

In this demo Snake infiltrates into a battle field, then becomes a bronze statue or hides in a drum. After rolling in a drum Snake gets dizzy but he cheers up after finding girl pics. The small robot, Metal Gear Mk II, also appeared in the demo. The details of the online service are going to be unveiled at the Metal Gear 20th anniversary party on July 24th.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1035118&postcount=74

[Old_Timer!]

Damn this is such a tease, damn you Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakeeeeeeeeeee!

[Luis]

So awesome :cloud9:

[Rockmond]

In this demo Snake infiltrates into a battle field, then becomes a bronze statue or hides in a drum. After rolling in a drum Snake gets dizzy but he cheers up after finding girl pics.

Awesomeness.

[masteratt]

Hahaha- Awesome stuff.

Look at that genius grinning- Just wanna go and hug him.

Surprisingly- I don't mind not seeing it as I can imagine it anyway.

And as few people have been saying lately- I am all ''announced out'' as in these are safe bet games anyway so I don't really want to see more of them and spoil it.
Just give me a release date and I'll meet the game att he shop with my wallet.

[solidsnakejej]

As we all know, Hideo Kojima showed the MGS4 for PS3 today in playable form, however no footage from the event was taken.

Here are few tid-bits from the demonstration:

▪ Can pretend to be dead by using Octocam
▪ Can crawl forward like a looper by getting the hip up and down
▪ Can take away enemy's weapons
▪ Can roll around sideways while lying down
▪ Can use an electric stun knife to stun an enemy
▪ Can hide from an enemy under a drum like a cardboard box. A drum is more tough and secure.
▪ Too much rolling in a drum makes Snake vomit
▪ Not to make him vomit, you can let him browse a magazine with sexy pics (with more pages than before). Pages can be flipped and you can use it against enemies too.
▪ The viewpoint can be switched to over-shoulder.
▪ The FPS viewpoint is also available. A crosshairs is controllable by SIXAXIS
▪ Hiding in a trash can for a too long time adds bad smell to Snake and enemies can sense it
▪ You can turn off Octocam by shaking SIXAXIS
▪ Snake uses SIXAXIS when he controls Metal Gear MKII
▪ Metal Gear MKII is in the stealth mode and it's hard for enemies to spot it
▪ Can throw a tornado bomb while lying face up.

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_news.php?id=1216

[Luis]

That's great :drool: It would be funny to see Snake using an actual sixaxis and watch him pressing the buttons while he controls MKII :laugh:

[LiquidEagle]

OMG :laugh: that MPO trailer was so fucking funny!!! I haven't laughed that hard in awhile! :-D

So fucking cool to see this news. How the hell did nobody get video of the MGS4 stuff though!?

[GTAce]

▪ The viewpoint can be switched to over-shoulder.

GREAT!
Awesome news!

[Nameless]

Over-shoulder camera on hard difficulty FTW!

[.®]

Way off topic here but does anyone know where i can find a 720p E3 2007 trailer? Or does anyone have insider access to IGN? Or even better can point me to a program that will convert the PS Store .MP4 trailer to windows media?

[NeoPlayStation]

PlayStation Premier: Metal Gear Solid Online Set for PS3

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/805/805634p1.html


uly 17, 2007 - We were satisfied when just one Metal Gear Solid game was on the way (MGS4). Then Konami and Hideo Kojima threw us a bone with the announcement at the PlayStation Premier press conference today of Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops + for the PSP.

But they weren't done there apparently. Famitsu.com reports that following a short demo play session of MGS4 at the event, Kojima announced that Kojima Productions is currently preparing a PlayStation 3 version of Metal Gear Online, the online battle game that appeared in MGS3 Subsistence. The site reports that Kojima will play the game live at next week's Metal Gear 20th Anniversary Party event in Tokyo and will share specifics on what players can expect.

We're a bit unclear if Metal Gear Online will be a standalone release, or if it will be included as part of MGS4. Hopefully, all will be clarified next week.

[Z]

this confirms a play show case at TGS. :)

[curryking1]

Wait, how it says you can switch to over the shoulder view...

Is that over the shoulder view in addition to regular more removed third person view of MGS3 Subsistence? I hope they put some nice cinematic 'toppy downy' style and stylized fixed camera angles in there too just for kicks so I can enjoy them :):):)

[Luis]

MGS4 can be played with all camera options you can think of, including first person and third person views. Which makes sense because it's possible to play Portable Ops on first or third person view already.

:cloud9:

[makeitlookreal]

I hope you will be able to pause the game and look at anything you want from any angle.

[Fats]

^OMGZ what an EXCELLENT idea!

Everybody. If you listen really closely, you can actually hear Baby Jesus weep.

[masteratt]

I hope you will be able to pause the game and look at anything you want from any angle.
...Maybe in the ''New Born Baby'' difficulty >_>

[makeitlookreal]

Why not? I think it would be really cool to pause the game and then look around. I think they do it in Motorstorm.

[masteratt]

Now he goes and mentions Motorstorm in a MGS thread :duh:

MILR man, c'mon.

[makeitlookreal]

Won't it look cool to pause giant explosions and look at them? I mean, there are going to be tons of things to blow up in MGS4.

[Newboi]

Why not? I think it would be really cool to pause the game and then look around. I think they do it in Motorstorm.


I think the reason why this would be a negative for the game is because that feature can be used to make the game easier (you know...see what's coming before you're supposed to).

[Fats]

Won't it look cool to pause giant explosions and look at them? I mean, there are going to be tons of things to blow up in MGS4.

I'm so closed to saying many things that I shouldn't and getting banned because of it. Please. Just STFU.

[makeitlookreal]

Gaming Guru,

You make a good point. But I would still like to be able to freeze the game and look around. Perhaps they will allow you to do so if you put in a secret code or something.

[Newboi]

Gaming Guru,

You make a good point. But I would still like to be able to freeze the game and look around. Perhaps they will allow you to do so if you put in a secret code or something.

Well a gameshark always comes in handy to unlock debug mode and be able to move around the camera (there problem solved :)).

If that doesn't work....how about walking around in game and look at stuff? :lol:

That's all I got. ;)

[makeitlookreal]

Walking around the game and looking at stuff is cool, but at other times freezing and then moving the camera around would be cool. For example, to see bullets moving at the air about to hit you!

[yoshaw]

*delete*

[curryking1]

MILR, you go hack the game, and enjoy it however you want ok? Then you can do whatever you want.

[gozirah]

Just a text description of the gameplay. Interesting new moves described.


Kojima demos Metal Gear Solid 4 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175206.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1)
PlayStation event in Tokyo features first real-time demo of the eagerly awaited PlayStation 3 title.


TOKYO--At Sony Computer Entertainment's PlayStation Premiere 2007 press conference in the massive Roppongi Hills complex today, most in attendance were expecting to see reruns of trailers shown at the E3 Media and Business Summit. So they were taken by surprise during Konami's presentation, when director Hideo Kojima gave the first-ever Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots gameplay demonstration.


"Where's my Social Security check?"

The demo, which lasted a full 20 minutes, began in the same unnamed Middle Eastern locale as previous MGS4 game trailers. Snake started out on the second floor of a ruined building. Looking down, he saw tons of rubble from the remnants of buildings obliterated by warfare. The landscape was particularly detailed, with walls broken into various shapes and surrounding buildings uniquely damaged. When Snake zoomed in on the walls using a scope named Solid Eye (after the 3D glasses from Metal Gear Acid 2), they showed a high level of detail with little or no pixelation up close.

While previous installments in the MGS series had Snake infiltrating areas that were guarded by a single superpower or army, the situation is vastly different in MGS4. The demo shows two different factions--professional PMC (Private Military Company) mercenaries, and civilian guerrillas, who were losing because they were less experienced. The demo started out quietly, with both sides just patrolling. By the end, though, there were explosions all over the place.

During the demo, Kojima had Snake side with the civilian army to help take out the PMC soldiers. Given that the PMC soldiers were wearing beige camouflage, it was difficult to spot them in the sandy fields and grayish walls. Kojima had Snake switch to thermal goggles to detect them, and then return to the normal scope to zoom in.

Hopping down the building from where Snake started, the aged soldier approached a set of familiar bronze statues last seen in the Tokyo Game Show trailer. Here, Kojima went to the menu screen and selected the active camouflage option, where players can access disguises for Snake's face and body. Snake normally wears an all-purpose "Octo-Cam" camouflage suit, which lets him blend into his surroundings. However, apparently there are other selectable camouflage patterns in the game, one of which is called the "Statue-Cam." Kojima selected the Statue-Cam and an appropriate face mask, and--voila!--Snake's camouflage suit displayed a bronze finish. The PMC soldiers then walked by, mistaking the grizzled commando for a statue.

Kojima then showed off how the Octo-Cam camouflage will help Snake blend into his surroundings--semiautomatically. Whenever Snake performs an action, like hugging a wall or hitting the floor, the suit automatically changes its pattern to match that of the surface Snake is touching. Kojima demonstrated this action by having Snake evade a PMC soldier by lying in wait on the ground and blending in with the tiles of a nearby building. Snake then stood up and dashed to the shadows by a wall, waiting for the soldier to walk past. Then, he took the soldier from behind by using close-quarter combat, which made the soldier drop his gun--a new element in MGS4. Snake finally wrestled the soldier down, choking him until he was knocked out.

Kojima revealed that Snake can take his enemy's weapons in MGS4, and CQC isn't the only way to get them--holdups can also be effective. When Snake put a gun against an unaware soldier, the grunt raised both of his hands in the air, dropping his weapon to the ground and shivering. The holdup in MGS4 looks a lot more realistic than in the previous games. While keeping his gun pointed at the enemy, Snake used his other hand to frisk for items all over the soldier's body. He also seems to have gained a new move that involves delivering a death grip to an enemy's crotch, rendering that person unconscious in an instant.

After taking out two soldiers (one through CQC and the other by holdup and grabbing his nether regions), Snake spotted a huge hole in the wall that was big enough for him to fit though. However, he then noticed PMC soldiers in other abandoned buildings that could easily spot Snake and shoot him down. Kojima had Snake switch to his Mosin Nagant stun rifle to take them out. This was done by way of the same sniper view the rifle had in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.

Snake then made his way down the building onto the ground and took out another PMC soldier, this time using a stun knife that can discharge electricity. Kojima showed how the knife can be used to just zap the enemy and knock them unconscious, though it can also be used for fatal slashing as well.

Seeing that yet another PMC soldier was nearby, Kojima showed off Snake's new prop--the oil barrel. The oil barrel in MGS4 has as much a camouflage effect as the series' traditional cardboard box, except it's a bit more resistant to bullet shots because it's made of metal. Unfortunately, it didn't seem as stealthy, because we heard Snake's knees banging into it as he walked. Kojima showed that the barrel could also be an effective weapon when Snake rolls on the ground inside it, attacking any soldiers in his path. Naturally, though, Snake was dizzy once he got back up, and we saw him throwing up.

Kojima went on to confirm that gamers would be able to play through the whole game in a first-person view, and showed how the Sixaxis' motion-sensing can be used to duck and peek around corners.

Snake then went into a nearby building and talked to his friend Otacon via his Metal Gear MKII robot, re-creating part of the first MGS4 trailer. Eventually a battle between PMC and guerrilla forces erupted outdoors. The PMC soldiers were obviously getting the upper hand, as they had more firepower and cutting-edge technology on their side, including flying biomechanical creatures that would drop bombs.

To help fight off one of the PMC soldiers, Kojima showed Snake's new best friend, the Metal Gear MKII. By selecting MKII from the item inventory, the player can take control of it and move around in either first- or third-person view. (Snake is seen crouching on the ground with his hands on the MKII's remote controller--which is an exact replica of a Sixaxis gamepad.) And while the stealthy MKII may seem small and harmless, it can knock out enemies with a powerful knock of electricity.

Turning back to Snake, Kojima showed that the protagonist can throw grenades backward like in the previous trailer. The grenade's trajectory is shown onscreen, Gears of War-style, as Snake is preparing to throw his grenade.

As the demo neared its end, Kojima showed off some more weapons that can be used in Guns of the Patriots. He used an RPG-7 to explode a tank, an AK-102 rifle to shoot some enemies on the roof, and a P90 to take out remaining soldiers on the ground.

Kojima pointed out that while he had been attacking PMC soldiers and helping out the civilian guerrillas in the demo, it's really up to the player to decide which side to be on--or to not side with either of them.

Overall, Guns of the Patriots defaults to the same kind of third-person view as previous MGS installments. The basic interface has been kept intact as well, with the item itinerary on the bottom left side of the screen and the weapons itinerary on the bottom right.

One addition to the heads-up display that wasn't in previous installments was a semitransparent, illustrated icon on the bottom of the screen that appeared whenever Snake was near an object that he could interact with, such as a wall, an unconscious enemy, or a ledge. Another such object was a dumpster in an alley, which Snake hid in until enemy soldiers cleared out. But since it's full of garbage, Kojima noted that Snake would start to smell if he stayed inside the dumpster too long, making himself more obvious to enemies. As he came out of hiding, Snake was surrounded by a swarm of buzzing flies, though shaking the Sixaxis controller seemed to swat them away.

[yoshaw]

+rep!!

[Diresu]

So good. Can hardly wait.

[FLCL]

Why not? I think it would be really cool to pause the game and then look around. I think they do it in Motorstorm.


Now he goes and mentions Motorstorm in a MGS thread :duh:

MILR man, c'mon.

Now why don't give the guy a break! thats actually a good idea i always found myself pausing and rotating the camera in Motorstorm for around 5 whole minutes! it helped me enjoy so many details that i've missed during the action especially the crashes, particles, mud and shader effects, i would surely love it in a game of high caliber graphics like MGS4

let graphics addicts be themselves people :beer:

[Z]

I agree with the free camera when paused suggestion. this should be default in all games- especially the good looking ones.
of course, as Guru said, it would have to be altered in games such as MGS4 to not throw the gameplay out. but the concept still stands overall.

[LiquidEagle]

Wow @ that gameplay description... I love that Snake holds a SIXAXIS when he controls MKII :-p

Why did they say it shows an arc for the grenades like Gears of War when SOCOM did that 5 years ago? :-p

[Luis]

Wow @ that gameplay description... I love that Snake holds a SIXAXIS when he controls MKII :-p


It would be funny to see Snake using an actual sixaxis and watch him pressing the buttons while he controls MKII :laugh:

:look:

[LiquidEagle]

Somebody's fishing for a +rep...

[julps31]

Damn..no gameplay footage? Oh well i'll read the description to tide me over lol. +rep for the link gozirah...

[gozirah]

I agree with the free camera when paused suggestion. this should be default in all games- especially the good looking ones.
of course, as Guru said, it would have to be altered in games such as MGS4 to not throw the gameplay out. but the concept still stands overall.

Motorstorm free camera is appropriate since its a physics showcase, but for MGS4, I don't see how it could fit in a story heavy, tactics heavy game. You'd get this omniscient view that wouldn't really make that much sense... or could it? I suppose Kojima could make use of such a mechanic, since the game engine can apparently handle this effect.

[yoshaw]

Somebody's fishing for a +rep...

n he scores!! +rep VG! Great Great Prediction there, right on the mark!

[LiquidEagle]

meh, I can't rep him atm, but I'll get back to him. :laugh:

[Luis]

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Sideshow Collectibles is pleased to announce that Medicom Toy Corporation's killer RAH figures from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots are now available for pre-order. Solid Snake and Raiden (sold separately) represent some of the finest work in the RAH line, and in the 12-inch figure format. Both figures are fully articulated and include detailed accessories. Some details are still TBD - please stay tuned to www.SideshowCollectibles.com for news and updates.

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Est. Product Ship Weight: 3.00 lbs (1.30 Kg) http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=4348&affiliate=CD988

[KRA]

wow nice figure.

ps.
i have just clicked psinsider.com
and have read THIS (http://psinsider.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=3&m_articles_articleid=866)
and i have headache.
could someone explain me what the fuck was that ?!

[makeitlookreal]

VG,

+ Rep for the cool pictures

[Nameless]

^^^ Raiden looks more bad ass with the face plate active...
The action figure is cool, but I'm not really into owning action figures.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I need it in my life. I wish it wasn't 130 dollars. correction, 180 dollars.

[makeitlookreal]

I collected all sorts of action figures as a kid. I collected GI Joes, He-Man, and other action figures. I also have some alien action figures. I also have a german shepard figure and a collie.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Isn't that nice.

[Lucid Delusion]

Now they just need a Vamp action figure. Or at least a set of him and Raiden..preferably with him stabbing Raiden in the abdomen. Action poses are always awesome.

[Z]

Motorstorm free camera is appropriate since its a physics showcase, but for MGS4, I don't see how it could fit in a story heavy, tactics heavy game. You'd get this omniscient view that wouldn't really make that much sense... or could it? I suppose Kojima could make use of such a mechanic, since the game engine can apparently handle this effect.

it would be for a pure graphical showcase.

that action figure is very well made. expensive and I stopped buying those things since I turned 6, but damn, that's a kick ass action figure.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/shmookins/emos/inlove.gif

[Rockmond]

Man that action figure is bad ass...

[Luis]

n he scores!! +rep VG! Great Great Prediction there, right on the mark!It wouldn't be the first time :cowboy:

*coughmimesis (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=838794&postcount=603)/mimicry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimicry)cough*

I have more predictions in the backburner, but I guess nobody will want to believe them :-p

Oh, and Japanese PS store MP4 HD trailer here (http://zeus.dl.playstation.net/cdn/JP0101/NPJB90022_00/FREE_CONTENTOVG2h2msyFO7DlgLUHNb/METAL&#37;20GEAR%20SOLID%204%20Trailer.mp4?product=008 5&country=jp)!

[Passive]

I ordered one of the RAH Raiden figures today :P cost me $170 AU but i dont care its gonna be awesome. doesnt come until may though :(

[³¹¹]

How many people will be able to accept the ending of MGS? I was just thinking of this this morning but in no means is it a breakthrough or new thought. Take the Sopranos ending for example, it has been left open and nothing has been tied up. But here, Kojima says he will tie everything up and solve our mysteries. Will people be able to accept that or will they be disappointed just like with Raiden?

[Luis]

I will be very sad when the MGS saga ends, but on the other hand I'm sure there will be more MG games in the future with a new director and Kojima as a producer. Yeah, Solid Snake and most or all the characters we know will not be there, and maybe the mythology of the series will be completely different, but...

...

Yeah, it's going to be sad :cry2:

On the actual ending of MGS4 and the MGS series in general: I think it will be sad itself, albeit satisfactory. Both emotions might not be very compatible, if at all, but we'll see.

[BahnNZ]

JPN Store has the trailer voiced in japanese I think, downloading now.

[LiquidEagle]

I'll probably cry when it comes to an end. A lot. :-p

[BahnNZ]

Yup, japanese with japanese subs, for guys like me who prefer japanese Snake.

[Z]

I bet Vamps ending will be very touching.

[Luis]

He'll probably touch someone too :look:

[Fats]

I've never really found Vamp to be a very interesting character to be honest.

[Z]

He'll probably touch someone too :look:
don't ruin it for me! :whip:

I always find it touching that after the suffering of someone trying to end it, trying to find peace, and at last they get it. trust me, if Vamp goes down in this one, it'll have to be touchy. he was was great dying the first time in MGS2. of course he came back again, and again, and again- like a flamingo dancer version of the Terminator, but you have to admit that first time was touching. "don't cry my queen".
aaaah....

I've never really found Vamp to be a very interesting character to be honest.

it's the struggle behind the character. we almost know nothing about The Sorrow, yet he touches us. well, at least me if the rest of you are senseless robots.

[Coded-Dude]

rumor mill at it again:

In the most recent Rumor Mole section, OXM declares that a "bankable source" told them that Metal Gear Solid 4 is definitely coming to Xbox 360. The game is reportedly being ported by a separate team -- which isn't headed by Hideo Kojima -- and should ship "a few months" after the PS3 version.

Considering the ever-mounting rumors and Konami's own comments on the matter, it's starting to look like the only thing missing is an official announcement.

[yoshaw]

He'll probably touch someone too :look:

:lol: Yeah I could totally see that coming. And have you noticed, Z's avatar =-o and also the dodgey avatars he's been using lately :look:

*runs away*

[gibmonster]

rumor mill at it again:

I doubt it. Then again i hardly put any stock in rumours. With kojima head of kojima productions and operating officer at konami digital entertainment, A port is still out of the cards. The only way a port will happen is if konami fires him, or if he changes his mind.And everyone knows his stance on the matter.

Being ported by a different team? That's sacrilage.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

My god, hope springs eternal. At E3 Jack tretton goes, 'ONLY ON PS3' and days before that a producer from konami says, 'yeah we've been trying to talk him into it but Kojima flat out says no way Jose. Get over it fools, jeezus.

[gibmonster]

My god, hope springs eternal. At E3 Jack tretton goes, 'ONLY ON PS3' and days before that a producer from konami says, 'yeah we've been trying to talk him into it but Kojima flat out says no way Jose. Get over it fools, jeezus.

lol. damn straight.

[yoshaw]

Man, you can't tell shit these days. Companies ditch consumers these days like congressmen(of poor 3rd world countries) swat flies in the office. So many games have done that to date its useless pointing fingers. I would love to stand with my chest out and claim Konami/Kojima won't do it. But what do I know? I'm just a freakin forum member yea(Implications of CPI's article)?

I don't sip tea at lunch break with Kojima, or do I? How can I be so sure? Just cuz he said so at some conference? Well so did, Kobayashi in Famitsu? And Ubisoft for Haze and Epic for UT3.

Okay I know i'm stretching it thin. Just wanna say. Don't be keeping hopes, just get the game on PS3 if you like it so much. Shouldn't matter to us if it goes wherever else a corporation decides it should.

[Diresu]

Man, you can't tell shit these days. Companies ditch consumers these days like congressmen(of poor 3rd world countries) swat flies in the office. So many games have done that to date its useless pointing fingers. I would love to stand with my chest out and claim Konami/Kojima won't do it. But what do I know? I'm just a freakin forum member yea(Implications of CPI's article)?

I don't sip tea at lunch break with Kojima, or do I? How can I be so sure? Just cuz he said so at some conference? Well so did, Kobayashi in Famitsu? And Ubisoft for Haze and Epic for UT3.

Okay I know i'm stretching it thin. Just wanna say. Don't be keeping hopes, just get the game on PS3 if you like it so much. Shouldn't matter to us if it goes wherever else a corporation decides it should.

My counterargument: Kojima actually has cred. Also, if they had ANY intention of porting it I doubt MS would miss the opportunity to announce it at E3.

[gozirah]

Woah, a few months to port to the 360? Lazy devs. I could do it in a few weeks.

[curryking1]

But yoshaw, this is Kojima!!! He's super duper!!! XD

[Diresu]

GI: Is Metal Gear Solid 4 still exclusive? Is that solidified and will never appear on the Xbox 360?

Harrison: Yes. We said it was an exclusive title.

Here. If you need any more of a clearer answer you either can't read or just are in deep denial

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200707/N07.0719.1908.25222.htm?Page=3

[makeitlookreal]

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I hope there is a good ending for Snake. He has been through heck over the years. This may sound corney, but I'm hoping for a happy ending. For example, maybe Snake sabotages some top secret nano-bot laboratory and in the process not only cures himself, but reverses his aging process with experimental nano-bots. He could then change his appearance and dissapear to live a more ordinary life.

I just don't want to see this man who has done so much and been through so much torment die without ever having anything close to a normal life.

[Newboi]

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I hope there is a good ending for Snake. He has been through heck over the years. This may sound corney, but I'm hoping for a happy ending. For example, maybe Snake sabotages some top secret nano-bot laboratory and in the process not only cures himself, but reverses his aging process with experimental nano-bots. He could then change his appearance and dissapear to live a more ordinary life.

I just don't want to see this man who has done so much and been through so much torment die without ever having anything close to a normal life.

Have you played any of the games yet (just curious)?

[Nameless]

^ I don't think so...

[karibu]

Watched both euro store and jap store trailers.
Daym, the jap voices was so much... manlier. If I were a lady, my undies would be wet. English Snake sound just like someone with sore throath as does raiden... plus raiden was just too overacted.
Why the heck is that? Same goes for gears, sore throat and bass.
I sound just same when I get flu. But thanks for BD there's hope for several audios. Why can't they use same voice actors for english too?

[Diresu]

Watched both euro store and jap store trailers.
Daym, the jap voices was so much... manlier. If I were a lady, my undies would be wet. English Snake sound just like someone with sore throath as does raiden... plus raiden was just too overacted.
Why the heck is that? Same goes for gears, sore throat and bass.
I sound just same when I get flu. But thanks for BD there's hope for several audios. Why can't they use same voice actors for english too?

Because David Hayter owns all :P and this is coming from someone who hates english dubs. Granted you will have both language options with MGS4.

[Smokey]

Have you played any of the games yet (just curious)?

NOOOOO he hasnt. FFS milr atleast PLAY MGS1 or get out

[LiquidEagle]

I swear to god, the next person to post an MGS4 on 360 rumor is getting -rep'ed. That shit is so baseless and just flat-out false.

[Smokey]

Yup, japanese with japanese subs, for guys like me who prefer japanese Snake.

you cant go past Hayater

[Smokey]

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http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=4348&affiliate=CD988
are they doin a SNAKE figure????????????????????? i want a snake one

[Jasonps3]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/4322_press01-001.jpg


http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=4322&source=upsell

[julps31]

I like the Raiden one better. The dull plastic (like the plastic they used for Raidens suit) would look better then the shiny plastic they used. Plus theres something i don't like about his face. But besides that it looks dope. I'd go with the Raiden one first if I had to choose tho. I love the muscle fiber on his suit.

[yoshaw]

Those toys are sick!

[Segitz]

I hope, my local Gamestop gets these (as nobody buys them beside me or so, the price is sure to come down quiet a bit^^)

[Luis]

GI: Is Metal Gear Solid 4 still exclusive? Is that solidified and will never appear on the Xbox 360?

Harrison: Yes. We said it was an exclusive title.Here. If you need any more of a clearer answer you either can't read or just are in deep denial

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200707/N07.0719.1908.25222.htm?Page=3Don't worry, I'm sure that will still not convince the trolls :shrug: Even when Peter Moore himself (who means nothing now, go figure) said it wouldn't go to the 360.

[Passive]

um, who cares about all them. Hideo himself said it was a PS3 exclusive.

[TEEDA]

I like the Raiden one better. The dull plastic (like the plastic they used for Raidens suit) would look better then the shiny plastic they used. Plus theres something i don't like about his face. But besides that it looks dope. I'd go with the Raiden one first if I had to choose tho. I love the muscle fiber on his suit.

Yeah I agree, Raiden looks better, one of the best MGS figures were Solidus and Ocelot from MGS2 : SOL
http://ps2media.ign.com/media/news/image/mgs2figs/ocelot_1.jpg
http://www.pixelbinder.com/images/favorites/figure/mgs2/solidus/solidus1.jpg

Wonder if we' ll see a clone of a mutated or regenerated Big Boss from the first artworks with the characters from 2 years ago.

[Passive]

best thing about the Raiden and old snake figures is the hidden attriculations :) its like the next gen in figure making haha

[solidsnakejej]

Ryan confirmed on the KP report that we will be seeing the game demo video sometime soon after the 20th anniversary event.

[NickSCFC]

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I hope there is a good ending for Snake. He has been through heck over the years. This may sound corney, but I'm hoping for a happy ending.

Nah, Snake's life is so much different from any other game character, he does his mission but never gets the girl, I don't think he even wants the girl.

Snake will probably die homeless on the streets, odd because he must earn a shit load doing what he doesn, and never has the social life to spend it.

[Passive]

um..... have either of MILR and Nick ever played a MGS game? :P you guys have no idea what snake is about. at all.

[Z]

Snake will probably die homeless on the streets, odd because he must earn a shit load doing what he doesn, and never has the social life to spend it.
huskies are expensive.

[NickSCFC]

He borrowed them ;)

[Z]

you think that MKII bot is cheap? check how much it goes for on eBay. also, his MP3 enabled eye patch is a custom made Oxydo. that and his suit cost a little more than he'd hoped for. remember two imortant things:
1- he went solo after MGS1, so he has to pay for everything himslef.
2- Otacon is a stingy tight-ass.

[TEEDA]

I wonder if MGS4 will truly be the last MGS in the series. Remember back before or after MGS3...Kojima received some menaces from someone and he received lots of letters from someone who said that Kojima had to continue the MGS series..
But yeah this series need to end perfectly.
They can just find another concept or another series like Ubisoft chose Assassin's Creed to replace Prince Of Persia.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I hope there is a good ending for Snake. He has been through heck over the years. This may sound corney, but I'm hoping for a happy ending. For example, maybe Snake sabotages some top secret nano-bot laboratory and in the process not only cures himself, but reverses his aging process with experimental nano-bots. He could then change his appearance and dissapear to live a more ordinary life.

I just don't want to see this man who has done so much and been through so much torment die without ever having anything close to a normal life.


HEAT HEAT HEAT HEAT HEAT!!!!!!

Switch out some of the letters and you get....

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!!!!


>_<

MILR the problem is you've never played any of the games (and we aren't even sure if you even play games period), so everything you have to say about MGS is always just...way off the mark. Sorry.

[TEEDA]

What about the movie lol ?
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/105255745720070720175214.jpg

[Passive]

lawl oh dear

[yoshaw]

MILR the problem is you've never played any of the games (and we aren't even sure if you even play games period), so everything you have to say about MGS is always just...way off the mark. Sorry.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07295/a517_bm.jpg

That's my T-shirt. Edited for MILR's perspective. No offense about the handicap sign, that's just me. yeah.

[Luis]

:lol:

[Z]

I wonder if MGS4 will truly be the last MGS in the series.
yeah, well having a franchise selling more than 15 million isn't likely to end anytime soon. ;)

[Luis]

It's much closer to 20 million than to 15 M. It probably surpassed 20 M by now with Subsistence and Portable Ops.

The Metal Gear Solid saga ends, but I bet there will be more Metal Gear games... only that they'll have to feature all-new characters (there might be cameos) and the setting has to be a departure from what we're familiar with.

[Lucid Delusion]

If Snake is going to die in MGS4, as everyone has speculated, then I don't think the story needs to go on. Really, Metal Gear just wouldn't feel the same without the player filling Snake's shoes. If they can wrap the entire saga up neatly with MGS4, I'd be fine with that being the end of it. Although I will admit, it's quite a shame for such a brilliant storyline to come to an end.

But at least Kojima never fell into the same pitfalls as some other series where it took a complete revamp of story and gameplay to make it interesting for consumers again. Like say the fall off between Resident Evil 2, then came Code Veronica and 3 before RE4 came out and totally re-established the series.

[Diresu]

Don't worry, I'm sure that will still not convince the trolls :shrug: Even when Peter Moore himself (who means nothing now, go figure) said it wouldn't go to the 360.

Sadly, true enough.

[Carlos]

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http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=4348&affiliate=CD988
I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!!!!!!!!!

Damn. Oh, and snake, too. These two will be on my workspace. I want these!!

[julps31]

Yeah I agree, Raiden looks better, one of the best MGS figures were Solidus and Ocelot from MGS2 : SOL
http://ps2media.ign.com/media/news/image/mgs2figs/ocelot_1.jpgYea I remember that figure. Bad ass as they come (as well as ocelot in general lol).

[Z]

well, I would totally go for a MG and MGSS remakes!
please? even on PSOne level of development?

[Nameless]

I would like to see a Next-gen remake of the original NES Metal Gear title or perhaps the PSOne title being redone for next-gen...

[julps31]

It's much closer to 20 million than to 15 M. It probably surpassed 20 M by now with Subsistence and Portable Ops.

The Metal Gear Solid saga ends, but I bet there will be more Metal Gear games... only that they'll have to feature all-new characters (there might be cameos) and the setting has to be a departure from what we're familiar with.Yea thats exactly how I feel. Kojima's been sayin each game was gonna be his last since MGS2 lol. But I feel this'll actually be his last game in the series considering the time frame (Metal Gears 20th aniversary..plus MGS's debut on a next-gen console) and the storyline (old Snake). But I expect other members of his team..or other devs at Konami will some how make new games for the series. Rather they'll be spin offs or actual MGS games with a new main character is any ones guess. But I definantly don't think this'll be the last time we'll hear of Metal Gear.

[OmniStalgic]

I would like to see a Next-gen remake of the original NES Metal Gear title or perhaps the PSOne title being redone for next-gen...YES YES YES YES....

I agree;)

[Newboi]

I would like to see a Next-gen remake of the original NES Metal Gear title or perhaps the PSOne title being redone for next-gen...

I definitely agree for Metal Gear one and two to be remade, but Metal Gear Solid has already seen a remake on gamecube.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

well, I would totally go for a MG and MGSS remakes!
please? even on PSOne level of development?

AYE!

[curryking1]

Holy crap, I was going to comment that it'd be cool to see MG and MG2 as PS1 level remakes lol.

[Passive]

i really doubt they ever would. sadly

[Luis]

I guess one can hope for fan made remakes sometime in the future.

[OmniStalgic]

We can remake them in LittleBipPlanet maybe?:shrug:

[Z]

well, trying to be hopeful here; it wouldn't cost much these days. just slap in 20 guys with a small budget and they'll do it in less than a year.

[Luis]

All right. You provide the 20 guys and the budget. I provide the patience for a year. See you next July!

[TEEDA]

I appreciate how they made Raiden looking more uman and les " robotic " lol

2006 Raiden
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2007 Raiden
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/208570952120070722172430.jpg
Meryl 2006/ 2007
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/121797648120070722174020.jpg

[Nameless]

I like the first verison better; the second version looks a little soft...
I do have to admit the second version has a more human quality.

[NickSCFC]

How about sticking Metal Gear 1 and 2 on the BD, or even better, put them on PSN?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

How about sticking Metal Gear 1 and 2 on the BD, or even better, put them on PSN?

They come with MGS3: Subsistence and that's cheap as free nowadays!


I like the first verison better; the second version looks a little soft...
I do have to admit the second version has a more human quality.

Meryl in the latter shot actually looks like she's aged 9 years.

[TEEDA]

I like the first verison better; the second version looks a little soft...
I do have to admit the second version has a more human quality.

Agreed , I would habe prefered if they had kept the more colorful and tone of the 2006 trailer :

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[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm sure it has as much to do with how they touch up the photos (contrast and color levels) as it does with what we'll actually see in game.

[Passive]

well he will look like the 06 shot. i just think the 2nd shot looks bad cos its from the bad encoded clip. they are just no good quality shots of raiden from the 07 clip.

and meryl *says in snake voice* has come along nicely :)

[Luis]

MGS4 almost looks like black & white right now. I wonder if they'll change the color schemes throughout the game, although I'm comfortable with that.

[Z]

How about sticking Metal Gear 1 and 2 on the BD, or even better, put them on PSN?

as for disks, they added both games (retouched) on Subsistence. a PSN version is a good idea, but what I would love is to see a 3D rendition of the game. they don't even have to add voice overs and they can make the cinematics manga based like OP. it would still be worth it. just think; Grey Fox piloting the Metal Gear at the end! I'd hit it!

[TEEDA]

WSell yeah it will probably look like the " in-game trailer " from last year.
But the yellowish sandish color looks more suitable to the setting, I mean yeah we're suppsoed to be in a middle east country. So the kind of Blue color: skin is reminescent of the old MGS back on PS1 and PS2 lol. But it just seems so cold...

[Z]

the last Meryl looks like a manikin.

MGS4 almost looks like black & white right now. I wonder if they'll change the color schemes throughout the game, although I'm comfortable with that.

it adds to the stylization of the game. but I wonder if it was altered to not reveal much about the environment? they did say that the trailers were edited to not reveal the actual locations or story development of the game.

[Passive]

i think meryl looks more adult now.

[TEEDA]

I' ve got a little explanation for the color/ setting but I' m not sure.
Remember Koji&#249;ma said that the game will not only have one setting but many others.
The first part of the trailer probably takes place in a Middle east country.
And the other one looks a little bit different, if you look at the structure of the buildings it looks like they are made of bricks and other stuffs. So maybe the duel between vamp and raiden takes place in another country maybe in E.U

[makeitlookreal]

This game could use a little more color.

[Luis]

Or not.

[Viper]

I' ve got a little explanation for the color/ setting but I' m not sure.
Remember Kojiùma said that the game will not only have one setting but many others.
The first part of the trailer probably takes place in a Middle east country.
And the other one looks a little bit different, if you look at the structure of the buildings it looks like they are made of bricks and other stuffs. So maybe the duel between vamp and raiden takes place in another country maybe in E.U

Maybe but that would seem odd to have the characters change colors like that through the game.

I too prefer the more colorful look of the older trailer but I know the series is known for the blues and greens instead of earth tones.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41668000/jpg/_41668006_slap416.jpg

[makeitlookreal]

I do think that this game would benefit from more vibrant colors. Of course there may be many levels we have not seen that have vibrant colors. We will need to wait.

[Luis]

I do think that the art direction does not benefit from more vibrant colors. The previous MGS games agree with me.

[woundingchaney]

I cant really see lush vibrant colors given the setting. The series left that color scheme with MGS2, since then there has been a more earthy and harsh feel to it. With the storyline I think their color scheme runs well.

Given the evolution of the visuals and art direction Im happy were the game ended up as we learn more about the title as well.

[BruceWayneIII]

One question: how many of you actually discuss the color scheme and tone in movies and judge the movies by that - before watching it?

It just find it a bit odd that games get treated that way. Give the audience a screenshot and you will always find gamers sceptic about the artistic direction and quality.

[woundingchaney]

One question: how many of you actually discuss the color scheme and tone in movies and judge the movies by that - before watching it?

I dont know I typically dont follow movies, I suppose if I did I would comment on it. I discuss plot, settings, and characters quite often in books with my peers so why not do so in games in a gaming forum??

[BruceWayneIII]

^ I elaborated a bit in my post. It's not about plot, settings and characters but I often see comments like: 'will it look like that through the entire game?' or 'I think it's too brownish'.

It's not directed at you, though. But if you discussed movies - I guess you would discuss it after watching it.

My point is that screenshots or trailers from a very, very small part of a game always get treated like it's a respresentation of the entire game.

[masteratt]

no-one is judging MGS by just the colour scheme- there was just a discussion taking place regarding it and it was a very enjoyable discussion.

To answer your question- I do make comment on some movies colour schemes-It's usually labelled under cinemotagraphy.

I think the colour scheme in MGS4 is...Interesting.
In the big outside soace it works really well but in a alley or a place with lots of building I would prefer them giving it a bit more yellow instead of green/ brownish mix.

I'm looking forward to how other places handle colour.

[TEEDA]

One question: how many of you actually discuss the color scheme and tone in movies and judge the movies by that - before watching it?

It just find it a bit odd that games get treated that way. Give the audience a screenshot and you will always find gamers sceptic about the artistic direction and quality.

Well, I understand what you mean but , for some general reasons, graphics, colors don't appeal to everybody. That's why when you buy a TV you have the option to change the contrast,luminosity etc...Because everyone has its own test. But For example I tend to go a supermarket and see all those tv settings, and when you look at the display i always say " okay this tv displays better colors, the black tone is better ".
I just don't know but it feels so much better to have not more vibrant colors but clearer colors for a picture. But yeah it's something which is really discussable ( lol sorry for this term).

[BruceWayneIII]

^ I was in no way trying to ruin a discussion. I was just trying to open up a general discussion about how to judge / discuss games compared to movies.

Anyway, let's forget about that for another thread. Sorry and move on :)

[BruceWayneIII]

I just don't know but it feels so much better to have not more vibrant colors but clearer colors for a picture. But yeah it's something which is really discussable ( lol sorry for this term).

The color toning of a scene can help convey emotions on a subconcious level. A friend and I did some teaching on the topic of how sound and color works together in movies. Different instruments for different colors trying to communicate different emotional states. You get my point. Colors change through a game as the story progresses. I'm personally more interested in the whole package and how the different scenes change.

[makeitlookreal]

I'll discuss the color scheme of movies before I go see them.

For example, I didn't like the color scheme of Sin City so I did not go see that movie. Also, I was not interested in the content of that movie.

When it comes to MGS4 I totally understand that there are some levels that could benefit from a gritty earthy feel. But I do NOT want all of the levels to be so gritty and earthy. I want at least some levels to have realistic color schemes that would be closer to what you would see in real life.

For example, I really hope he is in the jungle at least once in this game or is in a large city during broad daylight.

[solidsnakejej]

I think the some of the color scheme will become more vibrant. I don't think we will see a realistic color scheme in the game because Kojima said that he doesn't want it to look realistic. I think they are trying to get the right filter for the game. I really want to see what the South America setting is. Hopefully we get the gameplay demo video later this week to see how the gameplay looks.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

For example, I didn't like the color scheme of Sin City so I did not go see that movie. Also, I was not interested in the content of that movie.



The imperfection is yours. :doh::troutslap

[makeitlookreal]

LaLiLuLeLo,

Once again, we all have different tastes. Something that's perfect to you might be flawed to me and vice versa. Personally, I don't mind some scenes in movies where the colors are not natural and are dark/gritty. But in general, I prefer more realistic colors that would match what the setting would look like in real life.

There are so many cool places on this planet that Snake could travel in MGS4. I'm hoping he visits as many as possible so we can experience as many color schemes as possible.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I really don't care what you think dude, I was just teasing you, don't take it seriously.

[Luis]

If only he really cared about the games :duh:

[Segitz]

For example, I didn't like the color scheme of Sin City so I did not go see that movie. Also, I was not interested in the content of that movie.

Whoa... you missed one of the greatest movies of 2005?? How dare you^^

I loved it, that they took the original route of the comics. Artistically, it IS a masterpiece (I have the HK RC3 special edition, man, that cost me 35€ to import it). (but it was worth it, this version has the best picture of any of my numerous dvds, it even "kills" the Matrix and Terminator 2/3 on quality^^)

But still, everyone is enticed to his own taste!



I like it, that they now do post processing on games beside motion blur (mostly on PS2 games, I hated the blur, because it was overused as hell, often also in Metal Gear to a degree, were you couldn't distinguish anything anymore) to a bigger degree (they also do it with KZ2). Color grading, especially in cutscenes can further intensity. And since the usual game creator hasnt used this tool to a greater degree yet, they overuse it pretty much. Now every real game is brown and every fantasy game is overexposed as hell (sort of). It's no biggy, they will learn it over time (think HS and Andy Serkis/Weta, both have great experience in the movie business). I hope, Hideo Kojima makes a movie some time in his lifetime. I would also prefer it to be a CG movie (like FF but good^^, I mean nothing cartoony or so, they should go for the realistic looks).


There's a video on youtube, where Kojima displays the first MGS trailer on a debug unit, playing around (realtime!) with the variables to show what color grading is.

(time to test the tube button above^^)

vCO0vHmxFF4

[Luis]

Edit the youtube tags and just paste vCO0vHmxFF4 between them, or else it won't work.

[GTAce]

I think i have that vid on HDD.
Its from TGS 06 isnt it?

[Newboi]

lol, I just noticed that Vamp still has a huge scare from being shot int he forehead in MGS2.

A nice touch I must say. :)

[yoshaw]

There's a video on youtube, where Kojima displays the first MGS trailer on a debug unit, playing around (realtime!) with the variables to show what color grading is.


Edit the youtube tags and just paste vCO0vHmxFF4 between them, or else it won't work.

You guys want a higher quality version?

Why not ask the guy (http://forum.beyond3d.com/member.php?u=6605) who subbed and encoded it (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=644983&postcount=1)!

:smoke:

http://files.filefront.com/MGS4+PS3+Devkit+TGS+Demo+Eng/;4440530;;/fileinfo.html

File Size 27.99 MB (29,352,696 Bytes)
Date Added Wednesday, December 07, 2005 06:17 AM
Downloads 75,088 (This week: 68)

I got a 73mb version too but never shared it online, EVER. It's slightly better quality than the one above. Can you tell I'm hinting @ something >_>

[Newboi]

Edit: Nevermind, it's a TGS vid huh?