Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Actually Z, computer graphics is more expensive than a live action movie. The more CG in a movie, the more the movie costs. Even if they use the established engine form any of those games, even 4, it'd cost a boat load. The more real life you can pull off and the less CG the more money saved. And if FFSW/in is any indication, realistic CG movies are a bust. Just creeps most people out.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I'd take a CG film over a live action film but if Konami wants to this film reaching a greater audience then live action is the best.

Anyway I'm really not that concerned about an appropriate actor (heck, VG can be Snake, Z can be Raiden, Curry King could be Revolver Ocelot, etc ) but the director and producer should be (a) a fan of the series and (b) willing to actively develop this movie with Kojima Productions.

I really don't want to see the MGS movie going Resident Evil. O_O

[curryking1]

^HHAHAHAH!!

Wait! Why do I have to be the bad guy! I wanted to be Rose.... :(

Liquid Ocelot or Ocelot is pretty cool though lol. Wasn't VG the one with the 'Ocelot' avatar lol ;)

And ya man, I totally hope Kojima is interested in some quality control here. Didn't we find out recently that Kojima is acting as the executive producer or co-producer on the movie though? I think I remember something like that, hopefully I'm right on this one. I think Kojima is going to try to keep MGS' pride in good check.

I'd personally want a CG film too, but I can really see a live action film being able to go for a more dramatic direction, which is more MGS' style I guess. If it was uber action like FF VII AC, then I'd say CG would be better.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah, I think Kojima will be overseeing the movie himself. Isn't this a dream come true for him?

[curryking1]

^Maybe...

Well you can easily tell he is a director at heart, I mean the action cutscenes from MGS3 and 2, even 1, those scenes that are appropriate for movies, those are movie scenes but in the games of MGS1 2 and 3.

Namely... First time you meet Meryl, that's a movie scene. Snake and Eva being chased by GRU right before end game MGS3, that's a movie scene.

Kojima knows how to make movie scenes and can do it with ease. The only reason we ever see long cutscenes and codec is because a videogames is an interactive experience meant to actually make you feel like you're there and experiencing absolutely everything.

Kojima having a hand in the MGS movie can only make it better, nothing else.

I would definitely guess it's part of his dream also, to direct (or something similar to it, producers a big part) a movie.

P.S.

*Gets to the new page!*

Zing! :D

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh:

My brother immediately thought David Wenham should be Snake once he saw 300, but I think Wenham would make a better Liquid, personally. He is a badass so he could be put in there somewhere :-D

[curryking1]

You know, bringing up Liquid, I think Bale would be a better Liquid than he would Snake.

[Z]

Actually Z, computer graphics is more expensive than a live action movie. The more CG in a movie, the more the movie costs. Even if they use the established engine form any of those games, even 4, it'd cost a boat load. The more real life you can pull off and the less CG the more money saved. And if FFSW/in is any indication, realistic CG movies are a bust. Just creeps most people out.
I was talking in-game graphics compared to pre-rendered ones.

I'd take a CG film over a live action film but if Konami wants to this film reaching a greater audience then live action is the best.

Anyway I'm really not that concerned about an appropriate actor (heck, VG can be Snake, Z can be Raiden, Curry King could be Revolver Ocelot, etc ) but the director and producer should be (a) a fan of the series and (b) willing to actively develop this movie with Kojima Productions.

I really don't want to see the MGS movie going Resident Evil. O_O
and there lies the problem; movie studios would want the project to reach as much fans as possible while neglecting actual fans of the game since most would already be sold to almost anything.
but on the other hand, they could really do a fanservice and make it true to the game. maybe not as many would watch it that don't know the game, but I don't see why that would deter them anyway.

I love what they did with the Silent Hill movie. to make a MGS movie, you have to have the series creator, directors, writers, composers, etc. have a major role in the production. look how fantastic the Silent Hill movie's music was because they used the actual series composer (one of the best sound tracks of any game in the industry, imo).

in fact, I would go as far as saying that Hollywood intervention should only be present in the fields that is unique to movie production that these game creators 'may' not be aware of or as capable.

PS. get that crazy director that made those equally crazy DMC3 cut-scenes!

[rpgamer_2k5]

^HHAHAHAH!!

Wait! Why do I have to be the bad guy! I wanted to be Rose.... : Have it your way but Z has to be Raiden! Its pretty obvious that Z is a Raiden type of individual. :queer:

And Z, Silent Hill was good. Damn I couldn't get into the film but maybe I'll give it a rental in the distant future.

[Z]

Have it your way but Z has to be Raiden! Its pretty obvious that Z is a Raiden type of individual. :queer:


hehe, I was- and still am- for the 'old' Raiden. but after the unbelieveable Cyborg Ninja act in MGS4, I am all over him. it is amazing how much a few Cyborg Ninja moves, Shinkawa design and change in voice acting can do to your image. ;)


And Z, Silent Hill was good. Damn I couldn't get into the film but maybe I'll give it a rental in the distant future.
I would say it is the best and only game-to-movie effort.:hitit:
I heard they are making a sequel. hope they go that extra mile.

[NeoPlayStation]

I prefer Clive Owen as Snake.

[Nodieza]

@Liquid How can anyone not think David Wenham would be perfect after seeing 300? ^.-

The Silent Hill movie was almost dead on, so much better than Resident Evil as far as accuracy and recreating the game... it was awesome, can't wait for a sequel!

[LiquidEagle]

Silent Hill is definitely my favorite videogame -> movie adaptation so far :-D

[curryking1]

^Same here! I really enjoyed that film too, I thought it was a really solid movie. Not super duper 5 star material, but a really, really good adaptation. I thought it was great. 3 stars from me (not 3/5, the star rating is different lol).

[VonGak]

Never underestimate the power of Sean Bean.

[Z]

The Silent Hill movie was almost dead on, so much better than Resident Evil
the final nail in the coffin for RE movies was when they made Nemesis into a Halloween mask. :swear:

[cliffbo]

I love what they did with the Silent Hill movie.

they turned it into a clique

[LiquidEagle]

Silent Hill has always been its own thing that either people get or they don't... I don't feel bad at all if it's become a "clique" or a certain "in" group. Just like Metal Gear -- a lot of people don't get its influences or its directions, or its themes -- I don't feel bad at all that they don't get it because I do and I love it :-D

[Smokey]

Silent Hill has always been its own thing that either people get or they don't... I don't feel bad at all if it's become a "clique" or a certain "in" group. Just like Metal Gear -- a lot of people don't get its influences or its directions, or its themes -- I don't feel bad at all that they don't get it because I do and I love it :-D

QFT

[yoshaw]

Eh guys, lemme help you bring on topic.

So if Z's Raiden. Choose who do I fit?



*better be a good character or I'm sendin out sony ninjas to everyone's home*

[Overload]

Yoshaw You could be Vamp, he could run on water.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Eh guys, lemme help you bring on topic.

So if Z's Raiden. Choose who do I fit?



*better be a good character or I'm sendin out sony ninjas to everyone's home*

Johnny Sasaki :hugegrin:

[VonGak]

^LOL, though you do have a point.

[Luis]

I want to be Otacon :-p

[curryking1]

QFT

Thirdededed!


I want to be Otacon :-p

You'd make a great Otacon ;)

We need to get you some funky glasses though, and lots and lots of anime, and a labcoat!

[cliffbo]

Silent Hill has always been its own thing that either people get or they don't... I don't feel bad at all if it's become a "clique" or a certain "in" group. Just like Metal Gear -- a lot of people don't get its influences or its directions, or its themes -- I don't feel bad at all that they don't get it because I do and I love it :-D

no, the movie turned it into a clique... the game was always meant to be vague and enigmatic. in the film, because your average filmgoer now has the attention span of a 3 year old and the intelligence of a frog, they turned it into the typical recompense horror

[Luis]

You'd make a great Otacon ;)

We need to get you some funky glasses though, and lots and lots of anime, and a labcoat!I do wear glasses, and believe it or not, the last ones I got are suspiciously similar to Otacon's in the latest MGS4 trailers ;). I'm not a huge anime fan, but I'm a fan nonetheless so that can be solved. The labcoat and his clothing style are no problem :-p Now I only need some hacking skills, being able to pilot a chopper, a stepsister and optical camo :dur:

When do we start our cosplay party? :hugegrin:

[curryking1]

As soon as I get my female nurse outfit and long hair wig! :)

[Luis]

I'm not so sure that I really want to attend now... well, I guess being Otacon implies mostly codec conversations, so I'll just be on a videoconference :-p so that I can record your tansvestite party safely from a distance and blackmail you all through ebay afterwards.

[curryking1]

Whatever guy! Maybe Z we'll at least be there with me, Raiden and Rose, bff4eva! :D hahahahhahaha

[Z]

Eh guys, lemme help you bring on topic.

So if Z's Raiden. Choose who do I fit?



*better be a good character or I'm sendin out sony ninjas to everyone's home*
Spoilers ahead!
you will be the second boss in the game.

I want to be Otacon :-p

you can be Otacon, which is also the fourth boss in the game. no, it isn't the same person, it is just that Kojima was understaffed so he'll use you again...only with a wig....and bra..

don't ask. another Kojima WTF moment coming. :nervous:

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think I resemble Otacon as well. Anime fan: check, nerd: check, hacker: so and so. It all matches up ! I think a lot of us can connect with Otakon, since we're all nerds.

EDIT: Lol! WTF, Z!?

[curryking1]

Uh oh, VG has got some competition!!! ;)

I think I make the perfect Rose, I'm feminine, beautiful, and... curvacious :)

HAHAHAH @ Z Hhahahaha.

[yoshaw]

Huh? 2nd boss?

I like the idea of being Vamp. Will start to grow longer hair from now on. lol

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think I resemble Otacon as well. Anime fan: check, nerd: check, hacker: so and so. It all matches up ! I think a lot of us can connect with Otakon, since we're all nerds.

EDIT: Lol! WTF, Z!?

Nah, I'd probably connect with Raiden the most. I always design tight chitinous armor and if I was in that situation, I'd be all admiring how badass snake is and just trying to be as cool as him, being confused, and nagged to death by my girlfriend/fiance who won't shut the hell up, but it turns out I'm really badass and have been fighting in wars since I was 8. Except my voice is more like japanese Raiden's voice and not Quinton flynn's stupid A-sharp voice.

And Otacon is forever crying and peeing his pants. I do neither. And I'm not all hax like he is.

[curryking1]

So now Lalilulelo is my boyfriend? Hawt!

[Luis]

Huh? 2nd boss?

I like the idea of being Vamp. Will start to grow longer hair from now on. lolYou need a dead male and a hot untouchable female lovers, a bullet in your forehead, being able to walk over the water and on walls, being able to pilot a harrier and being immortal. Good luck :dur:

[yoshaw]

^Done, done, done, done, done, done n done!

:P

[Luis]

=-o

Now who's Ocelot and/or Liquid Snake? :-p

[section]

Uh, I'm Colonel Volgin. And yeah I suck with graphics. Sorry for the "not so intensive or scary "stare :) And no, my head isn't comparatively that small.


It is hinted that Volgin is bisexual, as can be seen by his relationships with both Major Ivan Raidenovich Raikov and Tatyana.Uhhuh, maybe I should change already :P

[Luis]

Kuwabara, kuwabara!

[Segitz]

The only thing that makes me look like a MGS character is my hair... I have nearly the exact same haircut as Big Boss in Snake Eater^^

[totobeni]

Kuwabara, kuwabara!

then

sct-i/on's hand grap something


anyway

any words on the old camers system on MGS4 ? like extra option ... i really love the classic MGS camera ...it just give a more cinematic feel for the game that new camera system like MGS3S and MGSPO

[curryking1]

I hope they somehow include both cameras as well. I don't want to lose what the classic MGS camera offers.

MGS4 might take the track of losing it though, just like there is no more famous 'Snake back to wall' pose. MGS4 is apparently going for 'real war zone' so I can see it not being there anymore, as much as I want it to return.

I will never stop arguing however for the idea that sometimes fixed/panning/zooming developer placed camera angles provide a game with a flavour that a free 3rd person camera cannot emulate. For example, you cannot move back and forth inbetween a 2D sidescroller gameplay and more 3D gameplay. Without developer fixed camera angles, a lot of things in the MGS2 boss fights (namely fighting the Harrier and Metal Gear Rays, Fortune) would have been much more difficult to play if there was only the third person camera view. The fixed angle in the Ray battle gave a very great view of the action, and in the Harrier battle, the action switched from different focal points by changing the camera angle. Harrier launching onslaughts of missiles? Change to widescreen view of bridge. Go down to lower bridge level to avoid machine gun from Harrier? Camera angle switched to give a cinematic view of the Harrier firing at you while you hide from it.

Fixed camera angles provide experiences unlike third person camera angles, and vice versa.

Here's to hoping both are included and strengths of both are used. This is not to say I will not understand a situation where it simply makes sense for the traditional MGS camera not to return, because the gameplay could very well warrant that.

[xone_4]

can i be Ocelot ?

[curryking1]

No.

joking lol

[totobeni]

I hope they somehow include both cameras as well. I don't want to lose what the classic MGS camera offers.

MGS4 might take the track of losing it though, just like there is no more famous 'Snake back to wall' pose. MGS4 is apparently going for 'real war zone' so I can see it not being there anymore, as much as I want it to return.

I will never stop arguing however for the idea that sometimes fixed/panning/zooming developer placed camera angles provide a game with a flavour that a free 3rd person camera cannot emulate. For example, you cannot move back and forth inbetween a 2D sidescroller gameplay and more 3D gameplay. Without developer fixed camera angles, a lot of things in the MGS2 boss fights (namely fighting the Harrier and Metal Gear Rays, Fortune) would have been much more difficult to play if there was only the third person camera view. The fixed angle in the Ray battle gave a very great view of the action, and in the Harrier battle, the action switched from different focal points by changing the camera angle. Harrier launching onslaughts of missiles? Change to widescreen view of bridge. Go down to lower bridge level to avoid machine gun from Harrier? Camera angle switched to give a cinematic view of the Harrier firing at you while you hide from it.

Fixed camera angles provide experiences unlike third person camera angles, and vice versa.

Here's to hoping both are included and strengths of both are used. This is not to say I will not understand a situation where it simply makes sense for the traditional MGS camera not to return, because the gameplay could very well warrant that.


good post +R power

that why i love that classic MGS camera , on MGSPO i have hard time with 3rd person view , Fixed camera angles is the best for me .

maybe the only advantages for 3rd person cam is for outdoor places like big flat battlefield , but not indoor .

[curryking1]

Ya man, it all depends on the gameplay and the environment which you play in. One is not simply 'better than the other.' It just doesn't work that way.

[xone_4]

No.


all mankind will pay because of this answer :guns:
stone hearted people like you is the ones who make people like me hate all humanity. :pirate:




can i be Ocelot now?

[Luis]

Have your right hand chopped off by a ninja and we'll consider it :dur:

[curryking1]

Only if you feel like torturing your victims hahaha ;)

^And maybe that too, but that's a bit gruesome, maybe we'll let you off on that one lol.

[LiquidEagle]

^And maybe that too, but that's a bit gruesome, maybe we'll let you off on that one lol.

That's why he should do it! It's a bit GRUesome!!! Get it!? Get it!? :heybaby:

[xone_4]

ok ok im working on the "hand" matter
but who is the ninja any way?

edit:
get the ninja and i will give him the hand :-p

[curryking1]

Liquid deserves rep for about the best joke OF ALL TIME! XD

[LaLiLuLeLo]

sigh.
LIQUID!!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

This should be renamed to The Madhouse: Redux

[Luis]

I think more people will read it if I post it here.

Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops has finally been released in Europe. About damn time!

[LiquidEagle]

Go buy it :) I heard you Europeans got a sweet cover art for your version too...

glad this is staying on the front page... :-D

[Grovestreet]

I heard Portable Ops is continuing the story from MGS3? No?

[LiquidEagle]

Yes, it's 6 years after Snake Eater :-D

[curryking1]

Yes, PO continues the story of MGS3 from Big Boss' POV.

But since you didn't know that already, or doubted knowing it, you must be punished! :gunner:

[Grovestreet]

I surrender! I will give you my Melons...or some Curry...

[curryking1]

Ahahha, I'll give you rep for that when I can hahahha. E-mpire is t3h awesome lol.

[Grovestreet]

Lol, I'm sure you all remember this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgW7awnB-c) video of MGS3 1/2.

I love it! So funny...

[Luis]

That teaser was too awesome :pleased: Download it! (http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_mgs4_e35.wmv)

[curryking1]

Lol, I'm sure you all remember this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgW7awnB-c) video of MGS3 1/2.

I love it! So funny...

All of us real MGS fans watch that and Snake Eraser on our MGS3 Subsistence disks. XD j/k lol

[Grovestreet]

All of us real MGS fans watch that and Snake Eraser on our MGS3 Subsistence disks. XD j/k lol

....Are you?

Hey, just because I have a 360 doesn't mean I aint an MGS fan, I would have gotten Subsistence if I had online for my PS2.

And anyway, I'll most likely buy a PS3 just for MGS4 when the time comes.

[curryking1]

I said I was joking! I never meant anything of the sort like that, please don't take it that way lol :)

I was just alluding to the fact that I am more hardcore than you because I have Subsistence and you don't XD

:P

[Grovestreet]

Ok! Was just checking...:cheers:

Anymore edits there Mr 'Hardcore Subsistence' guy? :p

[curryking1]

Just.... one more... j/k :D

P.S. I actually thought of saying "You having a 360 means absolutely nothing to me and gives me no reason to judge your character or your preferences, because I know you're not a crazy fanboy man."

Done! 5 edits accomplished, I feel happy! XD

[Grovestreet]

Lol...Or maybe 2...or 3....

Jesus this is turning into a conversation...And thanks, Your turning into my best E-mpire buddy ;)

Oh wait...you already became it afew hours ago... :p

Aaaaanyway, I'm gonna head off to catch some sleep, I need it for tommorow, gonna be a long day....

[Z]

....Are you?

that would include PS2 gamers and MGS fans that didn't/couldn't get the Subsistence special edition. lighten up a little. we're only talking about games.:birthday:

[³¹¹]

I watched the 15 minute trailer last night a few times and it got me thinking a little bit. Kojima reveals next to nothing in his trailers and what he does reveal makes us think the opposite of what the actual game is about.

After Snake gets into the chopper with Oct. and Col., the Colonel says "we've found him' and what not, but he does not mention a name. Then the camera changes to a different angle and focuses on Oct. and he mentions Liquid. I wonder, could the Colonel be refering to Raiden, maybe? I'm not standing behind this theory because I'm pretty sure it's wrong and Kojima has something more interesting planned.

[curryking1]

We've found Raiden? Why would we be looking for Raiden lol!

I'm semi joking btw hahha, but I'm totally on the same page. Kojima does do that stuff where it's like "I tell you this way, but I go that way!"

And then he smiles and gives us one heck of a videogame experience and then we say "Oh silly Kojima, look wut he did."

But also.. to continue on the 'We've found him' talk. Yes.. it's very curious to exactly who he is talking about. It could be Ocelot if there's no trick behind this, but it might be someone else totally different! Crazy stuff.

I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess it's some character we haven't met yet, but who knows. I'm putting 50-50 on Ocelot or someone we don't know. Actually scratch that.... maybe they are just going to meet some past allies or find some people to recruit or..

Ok... I'm done thinking about this.. it's pointless hhhahaha..

P.S. Is anyone else hoping there might be some PO style recruiting and battling along with other people in both SP and MP? I want to make my Foxhound unit dammit!!!

[Nameless]

I can't wait to see some new footage on this title.
I guess we will have to wait for E3 or TGS...

[³¹¹]

Actually, I just rewatched it now and would like to reverse what I said. But just the way that it is worded, where the Colonel mentions "we've found him, you need to stop him" and then Oct. says "liquid has made his move" makes me think otherwise.

But really, this game can't come out soon enough. I just hope that by the time it is released that rumble is supported and back into the games.

[Grovestreet]

Lol, I just remembered that part on MGS3 were your in the Cell and Johnny goes to the toilet and you hear him talking to himself as he is having a sh*t.

When I first got to that part I honestly couldn't stop laughing at the things he was saying.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

YEAH. That part was hilarious. He's just going on and on about how big of a dump he took, you're like WHAT IN THE WORLD??? :laugh:

[Grovestreet]

Lol yeah, stuff like "Wow! Thats a record!"

[curryking1]

Vampire dream ftw!!!!!

The Vampire dialogue between Paramedic and Snake is awesome btw (as is so much other dialogue with her and other characters).

Paramedic was my favourite supporting character.

[Grovestreet]

Oh yeah the dream...when that first happened on my first play through, I wondered what the hell happened. I was like "Wtf is this?"

And could you die on the dream? just wondering seeing as I slaughtered them when I played it.

[curryking1]

Hey Grove man, get out of here! This thread is only for hardcore MGS fans, didn't I tell you already!!121211!! *teasing ya hahahaha, I just couldn't resist ahhahahaa, you are now my man to tease in this thread :P*

Edit 0.5 - I don't think you die if you lose in the dream. The game was pretty easy though, so I haven't tried that either.

EDIT - hold on... let me edit my post....

EDIT 2 - Ok done :P

[Nodieza]

Vampire dream ftw!!!!!

The Vampire dialogue between Paramedic and Snake is awesome btw (as is so much other dialogue with her and other characters).

Paramedic was my favourite supporting character.

I dunno the "Shit tank" discussion was funnier ^.^

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, my favorite was Sigint's nightmare :laugh:

[OmniStalgic]

For all my MGS fans...I give u the UBUNTU (linux) METAL-GEAR DESKTOP:cheers:

Ok..well the last 2 are just for uh...Naruto and Shakira fans;)

HOLY-MOLY-this is page 62=-o!

[curryking1]

Yo... that's.... that ***t is tight. And suddenly Shakira appears out of nowhere ahhahhah.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Naruto > Shakira, though Shakira singing > Naruto singing (Ever seen that youtube of his voice actor singing on TV? Terrible!!!)

No, this is not off-topic, THIS. IS. the MGS4 thread!

[Z]

HOLY-MOLY-this is page 62=-o!

and that is during an info drought. wait till E3 when MGS4 coverage explodes again. it won't stop till after the game launches. this thread will push 150 pages easy.
:devious:

[VonGak]

and that is during an info drought. wait till E3 when MGS4 coverage explodes again. it won't stop till after the game launches. this thread will push 150 pages easy.
:devious:

Reminds me of the good ol' days on Gamespot's MGS3 specific board.
We had accumelated 100.000+ posts and ~2000 threads in two years before the GameFaqs merger had it all deleted. :(

[LiquidEagle]

Jack, do you know what day it is tomorrow? ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

April 30th?

[LiquidEagle]

Somebody doesn't know his MGS timeline, and here it's still the 28th :-p

[yoshaw]

This thread is soooo off the whack. LOL

[solidsnakejej]

April 30th: Jack and Rose meet each other for the first time. and your off by one day.
and if anyone needs help with the time line.
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_features.php?id=493

[curryking1]

This thread is soooo off the whack. LOL

It's off the fosheezy wheezy heezy ma tweezy! :shocked:

^Thanks for that timeline, cool stuff.

Are we still casting? I hope no one is competing with me to be Rose :( Maybe I should make a Rose avatar..... hrmmmmm...

[LiquidEagle]

god fucking dammit, I always get my late Aprils mixed up, since Rose keeps saying "tomorrow" :laugh:

[Z]

Jack, do you know what day it is tomorrow?
in the game, that was the cheesiest, corniest thing ever. it ruined the whole freaking ending and storyline for that Byatch in training- yes, I mean the one we were forced to humiliate ourselves playing as.

ah, please don't bring back memories of the nightmares...
*keeps repeating "new Cyborg Ninja, new Cyborg Ninja for two hours*

[Luis]

Tomorrow's an important day for MGS :-p Mostly in two years time.

[curryking1]

in the game, that was the cheesiest, corniest thing ever. it ruined the whole freaking ending and storyline for that Byatch in training- yes, I mean the one we were forced to humiliate ourselves playing as.

ah, please don't bring back memories of the nightmares...
*keeps repeating "new Cyborg Ninja, new Cyborg Ninja for two hours*

I... I thought it was awesome :(

[VonGak]

^a brilliant surrealistic touch with added piano for the extra touch of cheesiness.

A post modern surrealist is what Kojima is and I just love it.

[curryking1]

Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday is not cheesy!!!:realmad

(but I guess the ending in total was a little cheesy... lol :P)

But seriously, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday is an awesome theme, even if it was used in a way to enhance the cheesiness of the ending hahahha.

[VonGak]

Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday is not cheesy!!!:realmad

(but I guess the ending in total was a little cheesy... lol :P)

But seriously, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday is an awesome theme, even if it was used in a way to enhance the cheesiness of the ending hahahha.

Sorry sorry sorry, I meant the one in the background when Rose (who sadly isn't based on a real person :( ) talks about that certain thing tomorrow.

Please don't hurt me. http://www.12wap.net/site/ctx/mod/vedit/smiley/crying.gif

[curryking1]

You made me cry... :cry2:

Hurt... my feelings.... and.. broke my heart... and made me cry.... :cry2::cry2::cry2:

[LiquidEagle]

haha, Curry is definitely a Rose!! look at him/her cry!! :laugh:

MGS2's ending is so not cheesy -- Snake's little chat with Raiden is awesome, and the music in there is glorious, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday is awesome, and I still get a little bit scared every time Otacon says "about a hundred years ago." :laugh:

[Z]

April 30th: Jack and Rose meet each other for the first time. and your off by one day.
and if anyone needs help with the time line.
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_features.php?id=493

thanks for the link.
I didn't know Grey Fox piloted Metal Gear in MG2!

yes, I have both retro games with Snake Eater. no, I couldn't finish them. I got stuck believe it or not...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Me too. Even on the easier mode only included with subsistence, I got stuck after a few levels...

BTW: Is it just me, or is the E-mpire server a little unstable today?

[Z]

..

BTW: Is it just me, or is the E-mpire server a little unstable today?
sorry, that was me. I knew I shouldn't eat that raw goat at Sony's show...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Lol! No, seriously, are any of you having problems posting?

[Smokey]

thanks for the link.
I didn't know Grey Fox piloted Metal Gear in MG2!

yes, I have both retro games with Snake Eater. no, I couldn't finish them. I got stuck believe it or not...

yeah my mate couldnt get past the last stage in MGS1... i played MGS2 on every difficulty level the last was the hardest. i cant beleive i sold that game im gonna have to buy it again :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

My copy of MGS is misbehaving, can't get past the first elevator in the dock (disc is fucked up) so I ordered a new one off of half.com for like 13 bucks brand new. woot!

[Luis]

You ruined an original copy of MGS? I SHALL PUNISH YOU!

My MGS original is in absolute mint condition and it works like a dream, or even better.

*insert you-know-which-one Nelson pic here*

[LaLiLuLeLo]

it worked on my ps2. not so much anymore :(

Yeah I was like 15 when I picked up this game...not as responsible as I am now, even though I've always loved it. I had a disc doctor a while back, and one of my old PS2s was giving me grief, I thought it was the disc, so I disc doctored it, but I guess I did a shitty job. PS3 said REJECTED. I can't start the title cut scene when snake is going up the elevator and taking his swim gear off.

[Z]

yeah my mate couldnt get past the last stage in MGS1... i played MGS2 on every difficulty level the last was the hardest. i cant beleive i sold that game im gonna have to buy it again :(
not MGS1&2, but MG1&2. ;)

[LiquidEagle]

I've been replaying through my MGS1 copy recently (hoping to get to MGS2 for April 29th & 30th :-p), and noticed some sound popping during some codec conversations, but that's it :-D . Otherwise it's still the same glorious game it always was...

[Luis]

Sorry, no MGS4 news here, but I had to steal this from NeoGAF:


http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight1.jpg

Snake: "the Arms tech president?"

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight7.jpg

Ocelot: "Aha! I've been waiting for u solid snake! Ur beard is just as impressive as big bosses. A beard so powarful it's almost self aware. Now lets see if you live up to the legend"
Snake: "Beard? Legend??"

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight4.jpg
Ocelot: "But tis no match fer my handlebars. As white as the most extreme blizzard, the two halves that make up my stash come together in the centre like continents slamming into eachother. marvel at it!"

Snake: "moustache?"

http://www.saber-scorpion.com/LEGO/ocelot_twirl_large.gif

Ocelot: "dont be jealous"

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight8.jpg
"I love to comb mah stash during a battle! There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a comb into a well-greased lock of facial hair"

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight11.jpg

ninja: "SAPRISE SLICE!"

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SaberScorpion/metalgearsolid/ocelotfight13.jpg

Ocelot: "ow :( screw u guys"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

P.S. Don't ask me what the hell they're talking about :-p

[GTAce]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Awesome. :lol:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

hahaha fantastic

[julps31]

Cute lol.

[curryking1]

I was going to complain that 'why do you post in here without news?!?!' but this is satisfying enough, awesome find hahahah.

EDIT - while on the subject of MG and MG2... they're just too hard.. I can't play them, way too frustrating for me and difficult too.

[makeitlookreal]

MGS4 is going to be awesome.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Wait, there's MGS LEGO? Where can I get it!?

[Z]

Wait, there's MGS LEGO? Where can I get it!?

that is what I was wondering. I always see these 'custom' looking LEGO for different references and I think "they can't possibly be making all these variations officially".

[Smokey]

MG and MG2
can you still buy these for ps? i have only played MGS series

[Luis]

can you still buy these for ps? i have only played MGS seriesBoth games are included MGS3: Subsistence.

[Red_Eyes]

Kojima's next game after MSG4: MGS Lego.

[VonGak]

that is what I was wondering. I always see these 'custom' looking LEGO for different references and I think "they can't possibly be making all these variations officially".

They would have had some serious image/PR problems then, just google "Gay Lego".

[Haris]

I wish there was more news about this game, I can't wait any more..

[Carlos]

I wish there was more news about this game, I can't wait any more..
You're like most of us in this thread. I can't wait, either.

I mean, fuck, I can't wait to see how the story turns out, and I hope Kojima really, really wraps the series.

[Handycrap101]

Have you guys seen the new cover for Game Pro? They seem to have some thing new on MGS4:

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/news/images/112113-2-1.jpg

Any idea what it can be?

[Haris]

Somebody should buy one and post scans.

[Z]

bullshit. they wouldn't have anything unless you were talking about very small general info from a Q&A (unlikely) or the mag's own dumb input to new grabs they finally knew how to take from the year old trailer.

next stop in the MGS4 train: E3. only 8 freakin' weeks to go baby! clean your throat and get ready to scream like a little girl because you'll get OWNED and you'll love it!

[LiquidEagle]

It's probably from that Australian event...

[Luis]

Maybe just a rehash of what's known so far with a new interview or something.


next stop in the MGS4 train: E3. only 8 freakin' weeks to go baby! clean your throat and get ready to scream like a little girl because you'll get OWNED and you'll love it!*gets his throat ready*

[Z]

Maybe just a rehash of what's known so far with a new interview or something.
as it has always been.


*gets his throat ready*
as it has always been.

[Handycrap101]

It probably is nothing at all, but can we expect to see anything from MGS4 at Gamers day?

[Shadow Voa]

*gets his throat ready*





as it has always been.

Yeah ready and waiting

[makeitlookreal]

I can't wait to see what the graphics look like since Kojima has had time to polish them.

[solidsnakejej]

I'm more looking forward to new characters and hopefully English VAs. On the recent KP report they said they have almost 300 people working on MGS4 including the outsourcing, VAs, mocaping.

[curryking1]

Man, I didn't know people were still into THPS that much. It's still solid, but it's been going downhill since after 4 for sure. That game is getting waaay old, same gameplay over and over again.... sheesh! Activision is really working to get the most out of staying as unoriginal as long as possible with that one.


I can't wait to see what the graphics look like since Kojima has had time to polish them.

Kojima doesn't make graphics. He makes nice stories and directs and oversees. Don't be like the NBA people where they blame everything on T-Mac when the Rockets lose. T-Mac isn't the whole team. Kojima is one part, a superstar, but he's on a team still. The credit for graphics or complaining about them isn't really supposed to go towards him.

[Haris]

So like... what was the release date again? I mean I know there is no date as of yet but what was the quarter?

[solidsnakejej]

Most likely November of this year or early next year if it gets delayed.

[curryking1]

Announced was 2007, so most are thinking that meant Q4 2007.

I think the range we are expecting it, right now before anything is announced at E3 or whatever, is something between Q4 07 and Q2 2008 at the latest.

[solidsnakejej]

It looks like EB has pushed back their date for MGS4 to March, Which really isn't surprising.
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=72689

edit: It's funny to see how some people react to something like this and actually believing it. If you go over to neogaf they have a 4 page thread with people laughing at people who thought it was coming out this year and saying they never announced it for 07.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155464

[masteratt]

Q2 2008 sounds right, curryking :thumpsup:

Let's hope we get something at E3.

[VideoGame mania]

EB means nothing they're 0, I'm waiting for Kojima's word.:worthy:

[Luis]

I honestly don't care when it's released as long as they don't rush it. Besides, there are going to be so many great games by the end of the year that waiting until March or so is just fine by me.

However, I've got the feeling that they'll end up releasing it this year if they can.

[curryking1]

^^Ya, I actually find it annoying when a release date by a retail store is brought up lol (not to be rude to jej though). It's just that publishers won't care to release it to them anymore than they would to us, so they will know as much as we do.

And then they'll change their dates so they can accept more preorders from people and stuff like that, put it earlier, later, change over and over because many people won't know why it keeps changing or where to find out when the date is finally fixed. They don't care if it's 50% chance this year and 50% next year. It's like the weather. Who the hell wants to listen to a guy say 'it might be cloudy or sunny tomorrow, 50-50 chance?'

^NO! I want to play MGS4 ASAP!!! XD

You're right though lol, there's a really solid lineup until mid 08 with titles that are announced to be released until then as well as so many more that might turn up in the same time frame. I'm thinking The Getaway will be out before or during early 08, hopefully also be more polished lol. Maybe even Eight Days if it ends up being good, and KZ too if we're super lucky. Then there's R&C and... *wanders off into twilight talking to self*

[solidsnakejej]

^^Ya, I actually find it annoying when a release date by a retail store is brought up lol (not to be rude to jej though). It's just that publishers won't care to release it to them anymore than they would to us, so they will know as much as we do.

I know but it's funny to see how some people react to something like this and actually believing it. If you go over to neogaf they have a 4 page thread with people laughing at people who thought it was coming out this year and saying they never announced it for 07. I have no problem if it came out early 08, I'll be happy as long as they get everything in it by release.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155464

[curryking1]

Everytime I hear anything about Neogaf I keep thinking less and less of that forum lol!

And it was clearly announced for 07 thru that crazy painting at the end of one of the trailers lol. And we all know how well gaming and premature release dates get along hahaha.

Thanks for linking to that btw, you have reunited me with my favourite gif (or one of my favourites :))

http://forum.hertsinternet.com/onoz.gif

[Haris]

Hey, I have a question and I didn't want to waste a whole thread on it...

Is it possible for me to get a PS3 and get Subsistence, and play it online on the PSN network with people who are playing it online on PS2?

[solidsnakejej]

The servers were taken down last month. But I believe you could of.

[LiquidEagle]

Since when has Kojima delayed a game? It's coming out in 2007.

[acousticvan]

Hey, I have a question and I didn't want to waste a whole thread on it...

Is it possible for me to get a PS3 and get Subsistence, and play it online on the PSN network with people who are playing it online on PS2?

The server was taken down. I played it on the PS3 and it's hot. But the other online guys were so good I kept dying.

[LiquidEagle]

The server was taken down. I played it on the PS3 and it's hot. But the other online guys were so good I kept dying.

:laugh: yeah... happened to me too after I took a break from playing it.

[Haris]

why did they take the servers down?

did they also do that for portable ops?

[solidsnakejej]

Well MGO was only to test the idea of a online MG so they weren't going to keep up that long. MPO servers will stay up for a while because it was just released. Don't worry they said that their will be a new MGO by the end of the year.

Here's the support site
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgo/america/index.php

[Z]

I keep forgetting MGS4 will have an online mode. :)

[mario25]

It looks like EB has pushed back their date for MGS4 to March, Which really isn't surprising.
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=72689

edit: It's funny to see how some people react to something like this and actually believing it. If you go over to neogaf they have a 4 page thread with people laughing at people who thought it was coming out this year and saying they never announced it for 07.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155464

Like that dude in GAF said, anyone who wants to play this game this year can buy their copy at bestbuy

[makeitlookreal]

I don't care how long it takes for them to make MGS4.

I don't care one tiny bit if it takes until 2010!

As long as they exceed the graphics quality that they have produced so far (like Kojima promised us) and do everything else it takes to make a top notch game (storyline, game play, lots of content, animation, physics, etc).

[curryking1]

Wow... maybe MILR actually does play games..

[Shadow Voa]

I honestly don't care when it's released as long as they don't rush it. Besides, there are going to be so many great games by the end of the year that waiting until March or so is just fine by me.

However, I've got the feeling that they'll end up releasing it this year if they can.

I know you dont care but I REALLY do care, I want them to make this game as perfect as they can. As an MGS fan they can have unlimited time, as a gamer who bought their PS3 with this game in mind, I would cry if it didnt release this year. Now thats a torn gamer! :guns:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Wow... maybe MILR actually does play games..

don't kid yourself. :laugh: He's just covering his tracks.

[Sephiroth_VII]

May 14, 2007 - The one question that fans have consistently asked us ever since the news broke that Konami and Sony Pictures were teaming to turn the videogame Metal Gear Solid into a feature film is whether screenwriter-actor David Hayter would be involved with the project. Hayter voiced the game's protagonist, Solid Snake.

Now IGN can exclusively report that Hayter will not be a part of the film. We have confirmed that Hayter pitched his take on the project to Konami but they have opted not to hire him to script and/or produce it. Hayter even penned a treatment for the proposed big-screen version but, alas, the powers-that-be passed on it.

An insider who has read Hayter's treatment advised us that his take was "Metal Gear as the Apocalypse Now of the digital age, with Snake at the center of a swirling whirlpool of Genomic/military madness."

Since voicing Solid Snake, Hayter has carved out a second career for himself as a screenwriter, beginning with Bryan Singer's X-Men. His screenplay adaptation of Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' graphic novel Watchmen is being revised by Alex Tse and director Zack Snyder for the long-in-development feature film.

Source (http://movies.ign.com/articles/788/788169p1.html)

:huh: --> :censored: --> :ohno: --> :honor:

[Haris]

Oh well.

I'm more worried about the game right, I'm trying not to think about the film cause I'll too excited and won't be able to wait.

[makeitlookreal]

I'll start playing games when my winning PS3 arrives. :-)

[Nameless]

You still waiting on that man... :-p

[Diresu]

Totally unrelated to the game but I guess David Hayter won't have anything to do with the MGS movie which makes me a sad panda considering I don't want ANYONE else voicing snake.

[Shadow Voa]

I remember reading this news saying to myself, "Who the hell is going to have the voice needed?" I really hope they think over the actor very carefully that is close to Hayters voice since it is such a dominating aspect of the MGS universe.

Though I do also like the voice actor for Japanese dubbed game.

[Diresu]

I remember reading this news saying to myself, "Who the hell is going to have the voice needed?" I really hope they think over the actor very carefully that is close to Hayters voice since it is such a dominating aspect of the MGS universe.

Though I do also like the voice actor for Japanese dubbed game.

If Kojima has anything to do with the directions and production I won't be as worried but so far he hasn't said a thing which makes me think its going to be another horrific game to movie translation. I really don't wanna see the image of MGS ruined by a bad movie.

[curryking1]

I feel kind of sad he won't be involved... I'd like him to at least be helping creatively in some way, he can surely have good things to add and comment on. He's far from a bad script writer and he's been with MGS for as long as... since life started! lol :P Ok not that long but whatevers. He should had some creative role or at least some advisory role, I mean, come on, he is the voice of Snake (and more, but he really is Snake's voice, period, exclamation mark).

^Neither do I.. neither do I..... it would really mar it's value to me. Not that it would 'make my level of love' for MGS go down, but it would certainly leave a scar or at least a bad after taste. I'm pretty sure we saw something about Kojima being involved with the movie, I vaguely remember it as him being an executive on the project, some quality control kind of role IIRC. I hope that is true as well.

[Shadow Voa]

I really don't wanna see the image of MGS ruined by a bad movie.

Welcome to my world when I watched the great game of Resident Evil stabbed many times in the back by Hollywood and the movie industry. :cry2:

If Snake is the next victim, I will most certainly never see another game to movie again, I just cant give them my money anymore for all the crap they have made! :guns:

[Diresu]

Welcome to my world when I watched the great game of Resident Evil stabbed many times in the back by Hollywood and the movie industry. :cry2:

If Snake is the next victim, I will most certainly never see another game to movie again, I just cant give them my money anymore for all the crap they have made! :guns:

Yea RE movie is a good example. Only good movie that was made of a game was Silent HIll and even that...

I dunno, I might be reading to much into it but we will see. I am hoping Kojima won't allow them to kill the movie.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm guessing they didn't go with Hayter's script since I think he said if he wrote it, he would write it as a CG movie so he could do the voice or something like that... It's definitely a bummer they didn't go with his... he should have some kind of role in this movie's production, no doubt.

[Diresu]

I'm guessing they didn't go with Hayter's script since I think he said if he wrote it, he would write it as a CG movie so he could do the voice or something like that... It's definitely a bummer they didn't go with his... he should have some kind of role in this movie's production, no doubt.

I personally would much rather see a CG movie with real voice cast then a shitty real spinoff movie. I Can't think of ANYONE that can play snake in a movie, not to mention that even if there is someone...thats only half way there. Snakes voice was just about half of what made him awesome. Hayter is Snake...without him doing the voice, they will NOT find anyone as good...I doubt they can find anyone even close.

[curryking1]

I personally would much rather see a CG movie with real voice cast then a shitty real spinoff movie. I Can't think of ANYONE that can play snake in a movie, not to mention that even if there is someone...thats only half way there. Snakes voice was just about half of what made him awesome. Hayter is Snake...without him doing the voice, they will NOT find anyone as good...I doubt they can find anyone even close.

My name is curryking, and I support this message! CG MGS ftw! :)

[Handycrap101]

David Hayter not being involved in the movie is a GOOD thing people. Christ, he thought The Boss was Snakes mother...

A voice actor should stick to just that and leave the directing to Kojima and whoever else Sony has working with him. The actor they choose I'm sure will do a good enough job to overshadow the fact that he doesn't sound EXACTLY like Snake.

[LiquidEagle]

In before LaLiLuLeLo posts something about William Fichtner!!!

It should be Christian Bale btw, he's perfect for Snake :-D

Handy, David Hayter is a good writer -- you gotta give him that. He did a great job with X-Men 1 & 2! :)

[Diresu]

David Hayter not being involved in the movie is a GOOD thing people. Christ, he thought The Boss was Snakes mother...

A voice actor should stick to just that and leave the directing to Kojima and whoever else Sony has working with him. The actor they choose I'm sure will do a good enough job to overshadow the fact that he doesn't sound EXACTLY like Snake.

So did I for a while. Hardly something to take credibility away from the guy. Not to mention that he IS a good writer and he did write movie scripts before.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

you know I could just edit the thread :lol:
But I'll spare you the dignity.

WILLIAM FICHTNER!

edit: when david hayer mentioned the boss as 'his mom' I doubt he meant literally. But I can see how that's the fastest and easiest way to describe her. Me and my buddy even lovingly dubbed her 'battle mom' while playing through one time.

[LiquidEagle]

THE JOY!!!

:laugh: thanks LaLiLuLeLo... you're infinite kindness humbles me ... uh... infinitely.

[Haris]

I like Gerard Butler, but his accent wouldn't work.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

THE JOY!!!

:laugh: thanks LaLiLuLeLo... you're infinite kindness humbles me ... uh... infinitely.

KABLAMMM!!

[Smokey]

In before LaLiLuLeLo posts something about William Fichtner!!!

It should be Christian Bale btw, he's perfect for Snake :-D

Handy, David Hayter is a good writer -- you gotta give him that. He did a great job with X-Men 1 & 2! :)
damn straight :salute:

[Diresu]

damn staight :salute:

Psycho Killer...to Batman...to Snake...wow that gave me a headache.

[Smokey]

he was awsome in Equilibrium, love that movie by the ways is it on or coming out on Blu-Ray (Equilibrium)

[Handycrap101]

Bale, while I agree is perfect, just can't do it. He is already Batman...for that reason alone I can see him not being Snake. As a matter of fact I see Snake being played by some random no-name actor that simply fits the role very well. Don't expect some big name like Bale playing Snake.

[Segitz]

I would go for a mixture of:

a) Edward Norton (Fight Club, American History X)
b) Sylvester Stallone/Wesley Snipes (Demolition Man, Rambo)
c) Sean Connery (The Rock)

Not from the look really, but the mixture of all those characters sort of defines Snake for me, especially b) (one of my all time favourite movies).

Maybe also a bit Terence Hill (the agility and quickness is amazing)^^ I love Bud Spencer and Terence Hill!!

[VonGak]

Maybe also a bit Terence Hill (the agility and quickness is amazing)^^ I love Bud Spencer and Terence Hill!!

Ah the student of classical litterature + Lucky Luke and the Olympic swimmer + jet/helicopter pilot + writer + politician + Juris Doctor.

One needs to be dumb not to like their movies. :pope:

[Haris]

the guy from 300 that was the story teller, the one that was sent back to sparta to tell of Leonidas's death

he's already got the body and beard and a pretty good voice

[Smokey]

a) Edward Norton (Fight Club, American History X)
b) Sylvester Stallone/Wesley Snipes (Demolition Man, Rambo)
c) Sean Connery (The Rock)
dont take the wrong way buuuut.... WTF :)

[FantasyGhost]

"I can tell you honestly at this point, we have not changed the game in any form with the idea of 'oh, we got to do this on 360.' Put aside whether or not we're developing for 360 or not, the game is built on the PS3 hardware, as you guys have known for the past two years or so."Believe it or not this coming once again from 1UP (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159604)

[Haris]

Okay wait, so that means no 360 or what

[FantasyGhost]

Well it just means even if they were thinking of getting it on the 360, they just won't take out anything just to fit it all on a single DVD.

[masteratt]

Actually to be honest, it sounds more like he indirectly confirmed a X360 version but said "but don't worry PS3 owners, you are still getting the MGS4 you want".

It was probably a case of Kojima vs Konami and obviously the company won.

[Fats]

I'd expect it to be timed-exclusive to the PS3 at least to be honest.

[GTAce]

I think 1crap translated it so that its sound like you think masteratt. ;)

[OmniStalgic]

Actually to be honest, it sounds more like he indirectly confirmed a X360 version but said "but don't worry PS3 owners, you are still getting the MGS4 you want".

It was probably a case of Kojima vs Konami and obviously the company won.But that's fine, remember Xbox got a director's cut or something for MGS2...

I don't think anyone cares about that. But PS3 is a beast, Kojima, do your magic on the hardware, and worry about X360 later because all your fans are mostly PS fans...

Not too much to ask, either way, I think we'll get the MGS4 we want...

In fact, I think that's what most of us really want for PS3 games. Just for PS3 to be the base platform and taking advantage of the new hardware as far as you can...

That's what I wanted for DMC4. (I think PS3 is the base for that one though-i dunno:shrug:)

[Grovestreet]

From reading that it sounded like he was...Hesitant...Like he is hiding something.

50-50 Chance now...I guess...

[curryking1]

I will injure someone if MGS4 is not exclusive. Honestly, I don't care about a lot of games being multiplat.... like GTA IV still looks great, MOH looks god damn amazing, NBA 2K is still my favourite basketball game, as is NBA Street.

But when you mess around with my MGS or my FF and make them not exclusive so they can't be built to last on one piece of hardware, I'm coming a knocking.... Don't take my MGS or FF experience and degrade them to something less than what they could've been and expect me not to go buck wild.....

I will go to Japan and slap the head of Konami, I will do it (If I had time.. .ok I wouldn't... but I'd really, really want to...)

There's some things they can mess with.. but then there's those things you can't.... please don't....

[solidsnakejej]

That quote is taken out of context. If you listen they were discussing what their favorite system and fanboys not wanting MGS4 on 360 and that Kojima wouldn't release a sub par game even if it was multiplatform. Also they talked about http://www.metalgearsolid.org/ feature of the MGS4 biggest fears and people saying that it would be downgraded if it was on the 360.

[OmniStalgic]

^well..there ya go!

[Haris]

Yeah if this isn't exclusive I see no reason in getting a Ps3 ...

[Shadow Voa]

Am I behind on my MGS news? Some article being mistaken for MGS4 X360 confirmation?

Some things never change...

[GTAce]

That quote is taken out of context. If you listen they were discussing what their favorite system and fanboys not wanting MGS4 on 360 and that Kojima wouldn't release a sub par game even if it was multiplatform. Also they talked about http://www.metalgearsolid.org/ feature of the MGS4 biggest fears and people saying that it would be downgraded if it was on the 360.

Exactly what i said.^^ (or not? lol)

[OmniStalgic]

Am I behind on my MGS news? Some article being mistaken for MGS4 X360 confirmation?

Some things never change...Just confirmation on just how big MGS4 is this generation...

[curryking1]

Just confirmation on just how big MGS4 is this generation...

True say, and Voa also.... MGS is just that huge.

[FantasyGhost]

Yeah guys i was just showing how Kojima is thinking, not that it would be released on the 360 or not.
The guy just sais they build it on the PS3 hardware, and they wouldn't want to build a game looking at the lowest common demoninator. like gta 4 and all the other third party games are.

[GTAce]

Yeah guys i was just showing how Kojima is thinking, not that it would be released on the 360 or not.
The guy just sais they build it on the PS3 hardware, and they wouldn't want to build a game looking at the lowest common demoninator. like gta 4 and all the other third party games are.

Ahh i love my PS3, yeah today im a fanboy because after the Gamer's Day stuff it just feels right LOL.

[solidsnakejej]

Also about the delay to 2008 Ryan said that they are working hard to get it out this year.

[Luis]

But that's fine, remember Xbox got a director's cut or something for MGS2...And it wasn't even as good as the original one and it flopped anyway :shrug:

1crap yet again going "OMG PS3 sux plz make a 360 version". Nothing new here.

[Shadow Voa]

True say, and Voa also.... MGS is just that huge.

I forget that sometimes, everyone wants a piece of the only true espionage pie out there.

*looks over at his PS3*

Youre ready for it, arent you?

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: @ that quote -- that doesn't even qualify as a hint towards a 360 version. It's not going to 360, period.

[Diresu]

:laugh: @ that quote -- that doesn't even qualify as a hint towards a 360 version. It's not going to 360, period.

So true. To go even further...what do I trust...a quote taken WAY out of context...or something that came out of Kojima's mouth. Yea...I will trust 1up.

[Red_Eyes]

LOL. This is just too funny.

Kojima: "MGS4 will not be coming out for the 360."
Xbots: "Did you hear that? Kojima just confirmed that MGS4 will be coming out for the 360."

LOL.

[totobeni]

LOL. This is just too funny.

Kojima: "MGS4 will not be coming out for the 360."
Xbots: "Did you hear that? Kojima just confirmed that MGS4 will be coming out for the 360."

LOL.

:laugh: YMMD

[GTAce]

LOL. This is just too funny.

Kojima: "MGS4 will not be coming out for the 360."
Xbots: "Did you hear that? Kojima just confirmed that MGS4 will be coming out for the 360."

LOL.

QFT! :laugh:

[mario25]

Ryan Payton's comments in the kojima report about the 360 not influencing the development of MGS4 for the ps3 in any way were somehow mistaken as an official confirmation the game is coming to the 360.......who is making all the noise......dun dun dun....1UP!!!!

Damn!!...this is really tiresome......I don't even care if the game comes to the 360 anymore...the guy just confirmed that if the game goes to the 360 it will be some crappy port maybe a year later.......

[frosty]

G4 even reported that as confirmation of ps3 exclusivity.

[Luis]

G4 even reported that as confirmation of ps3 exclusivity.G4?! :shocked:

[makeitlookreal]

The reason MGS4 will be so awesome is because it will be exclusive.

[FantasyGhost]

The reason MGS4 will be so awesome is because it will be exclusive.That's not it. The reason why it will be so good is because Kojima wants to get the max out of it's system. If he was developing it for the X2 he would have done the same thing. He just wants to get the best out of the system he's developing for. Anything less wouldn't do his games any justice. It wouldn't do his fans any justice either.That's also why he was hammering on the fact of getting rumble back in there.

[Segitz]

That's not it. The reason why it will be so good is because Kojima wants to get the max out of it's system. If he was developing it for the X2 he would have done the same thing. He just wants to get the best out of the system he's developing for. Anything less wouldn't do his games any justice. It wouldn't do his fans any justice either.That's also why he was hammering on the fact of getting rumble back in there.

QFT

Kojima is a perfectionist. All his games are a monolithic system (sorry, theres a german proverb for it "aus einem Guss", but I find no better translations for it). Everything fits, were it belongs, nothing seems out of place.

This cant be done, if he needs to make sacrifices, or it will look REALLY worse.

I am not saying here, that a 360 MGS will look bad. If it is started from scratch, it will look equally good imho.

[solidsnakejej]

Here is a comment by Ryan from his blog which is similar to what they were talking about:


To ニックネーム未設定 (nickname undeclared),

Thanks for taking the time to write. I really mean that.

Now take a deep breath and read over what you just wrote.

>"Why not just come out and say that MGS4 is a Playstation 3 exclusive? You are only hurting your fanbase by not doing so. ...I cannot believe you guys would turn your backs on us like that."

You are not part of a group, my friend. There is no "us" versus "them." Just ignore what you read on the message boards. This isn't like a sporting event like the World Cup or the Superbowl -- there will never be a true "winner" in this industry.

Now if we cancelled MGS4 for PS3 and then released it for another console, then you've got something to be angry about. (One of the reasons I bought a Dreamcast was to play Half-Life: Blue Shift and Counterstrike, only to have them later be cancelled. I was crushed.)

So buddy, if you want to associate and take pride in something, let me suggest something with more significance than a piece of consumer electronics.

love,
rp
http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/95.html

The thing you have to remember is that MGS4 is coming out for the PS3 and PS3 is the lead platform.

[GTAce]

Now if we cancelled MGS4 for PS3 and then released it for another console,

Did you guys read that?
MGS4 is canned for PS3 and a 360 exclusive!!!!!!!11111111






:laugh:

[Segitz]

Did you guys read that?
MGS4 is canned for PS3 and a 360 exclusive!!!!!!!11111111






:laugh:

No, you need to dig deeper than that!

He said, there's no us versus them... That implicates that !! WE !! are a team... Though, PS3 MGS4 is canceled and now comes out on the !! Wii !!

[Haris]

That was lame.

[Z]

That was lame.

you wouldn't understand that...

[mario25]

OMG...the internet will take this as confirmation that the game is canceled on the ps3!!

[Z]

first it will appear on another forum or two. then a nobody site will make a post of it. the entry will pop on N4G and then it will be posted here again.

the irony of all this? it already happened. yes, here. O_o

[GTAce]

OMG...the internet will take this as confirmation that the game is canceled on the ps3!!

I hope so because i would have something awesome to laugh at!

[FantasyGhost]

Konami's Full-Year Sales Up Almost 7%; MGS4 May Launch by March (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16238&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000022)


It was a solid year for Konami, with Winning Eleven sales reaching a new high and overall revenue climbing nearly 7 percent. And the good news for gamers is that buried within the financial report comes word that Konami would seem to be planning on a release of Metal Gear Solid 4 by next March.

Japanese publisher Konami, perhaps known best in the west for its Metal Gear Solid and Castlevania franchises, has reported its fiscal results for the year ended March 31, 2007. Total revenue was up 6.9 percent to 280.3 billion yen ($2.3 billion) and operating income was up significantly from 2.5 billion yen to 28.1 billion yen ($231.9 million). Net income, however, fell 29.5 percent to 16.2 billion yen ($133 million). The company explained that this resulted from a difficult comparison in which income was boosted the previous year by the sale of an affiliated company.

Konami has a number of business segments, but its digital entertainment business (which houses the core video game business) was responsible for the majority of sales. Sales within this segment were actually down 0.3 percent (essentially flat), but there were a few highlights. The Winning Eleven soccer series was cited for achieving sales of over 8 million units, representing the best performance in a year by the franchise to date.

Solid sales of dancing games in North America were also cited, as Dance Dance Revolution for PS2, Xbox and Xbox 360 crossed the one million unit mark. Other contributors Konami pointed to included "mainstays" such as Yu-Gi-Oh and Jikkyou Pawafuru Puroyaku and new titles such as Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops and Death Note Kira Game.

Konami's health and fitness segment was another major factor, bringing in the next largest chunk of revenue (about half of what the digital entertainment segment generated). Sales were up 8.9 percent as Konami opened 10 new facilities.

Interestingly, for the current fiscal year ending next March, Konami lists Metal Gear Solid 4 as one of the main drivers of revenue. The publisher has yet to announce an official release date for the hotly anticipated title, but this latest financial report would seem to indicate that gamers will finally get their hands on it before March 31, 2008.

For the year, Konami is anticipating net revenues to increase 5.3 percent to 295 billion yen ($2.4 billion), operating income to rise 17.3 percent to 33 billion yen ($272 million) and net income to rise almost 13 percent to 18.3 billion yen ($151 million).

[Luis]

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2007-gamefront/mgs41.jpg

[cliffbo]

this will put a smile on your face:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CJQ2YG97

[VonGak]

All it means is that the game is to be released within Konami's fiscal year which we have been knowing all the time.

There's no news in this. If it had saud that Konami did expect MGS4 to be released in this fiscal year then it would be news.

[LiquidEagle]

I was going to post the article but it didn't seem to have anything worthwhile or new in it.


Interestingly, for the current fiscal year ending next March, Konami lists Metal Gear Solid 4 as one of the main drivers of revenue. The publisher has yet to announce an official release date for the hotly anticipated title, but this latest financial report would seem to indicate that gamers will finally get their hands on it before March 31, 2008

What's so "interesting" about this? They say it in the article like it's new news and we haven't been told it's coming out in 2007!

[Rockmond]

All this means that 2008 belongs to PS3.

All of PS3's true heavy hitters:GT5,FFXIII,MGS4 are all gonna be released that year.

As much as I want it to come out this fall/winter its probably best if they hold off until 2008.

[LiquidEagle]

All this means that 2008 belongs to PS3.

All of PS3's true heavy hitters:GT5,FFXIII,MGS4 are all gonna be released that year.

As much as I want it to come out this fall/winter its probably best if they hold off until 2008.

?? There's absolutely nothing to say it's coming out in 2008. It has about as much confirmation for 2008 as it does for 360 :laugh:

They should definitely make Holiday 2007 because Kojima's never delayed a game before, and it would continue the 3-year cycle. :-D

[Domination]

No, you need to dig deeper than that!

He said, there's no us versus them... That implicates that !! WE !! are a team... Though, PS3 MGS4 is canceled and now comes out on the !! Wii !!

I wanted to post this artical when it was first released, but didn't really feel that it was that important at the time. But Since it's relevant to the subject, I thought I'd post it.


Ryan Payton has said in a Kojima Production podcast that MGS 4 is being built exclusively on PS3 hardware to the specifications Hideo Kojima planned from the start.

"I can tell you honestly at this point, we have not changed the game in any form with the idea of 'oh, we got to do this on 360.' Put aside whether or not we're developing for 360 or not, the game is built on the PS3 hardware, as you guys have known for the past two years or so," he said as reported by 1up.

source (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=164218)

[Z]

they are not us.

also, IF the game gets delayed till next year, knowing that it will at least be out by March is fantastic to know. a three month delay isn't really a delay, and the March period doesn't have a lot of competition. no, not that MGS4 will care, it is just that my wallet will. ;p

[cliffbo]

Put aside whether or not we're developing for 360 or not, the game is built on the PS3 hardware

it's coming to the 360...

[Diresu]

it's coming to the 360...

Reaching.

[Z]

oh, Domination, why did you have to go and post that again? now you'll only confuse them more...
poor bastards. they are too dumb to breath.

[woundingchaney]

Latest EGM in rumor mill by everyones favorite (Shane) suggests that a release of March 08 with a 360 port 6 months to 12 months later.

http://www.deeko.com/news/?p=1572

-- credit 22psi -- B3D




My main area of doubt is that this game has been held at PS3s hip since the announcement of either the console or the game. Letting this title slip to the opposition is going to viewed negatively regardless of anyones stance. I would be surprised if Sony didnt enter into an exclusive negotiation (beyond the suggested 6 months exclusivity). With so much of the development being based around an exact architecture one would question how well a 360 port would be translated even if this did happen (although its not as if the consumer base would overly care as long as they get the title).

Although this is business and in business profits talk there is not the us verse them mentality that is represented amongst MS and Sony or the current "next gen" gamer. If Konami makes the decision it will happen regardless and Konami is far more interested in monetary return than anything else.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Most of the developer interviews I've read state that it's relatively to port from PS3 to 360, but with a completely optimized game such as MGS4, I don't know...

[Rockmond]

?? There's absolutely nothing to say it's coming out in 2008. It has about as much confirmation for 2008 as it does for 360


I still think it would be better if it came out early 2008.

[Luis]

Funny how all of the recent multiplatform speculation comes from the 1crap / Ziff Davis group. First they triggered it, and now they're fueling it. These guys just won't stop until they see every PS3 exclusive going to 360.

[qzak]

They won't stop because they make money from it. You'd think Kojima's sucker punch would have stopped the worthless drivel, but...sigh

[totobeni]

well..for the record and truth's sake ...it's just DMC4 story all over again.., first rumors ..dev deny , more rumors...dev not talking ..more rumors this time from inside ppl ...and the KaaaBoom ..it's for X360..and sony fans say they don't care about it cuz it's so last gen ...

Sony can't handle MS at bidding race..MS can over bidding on every 3rd party games...they even bidding on game X360 don't need these days like Gundam Mousu...

and for "completely optimized" as what SephVII said , not it's just pure BS from the devs..Capcom said RE4 was impossible on PS2 and other DMC4 crap , X360 can handle MGS4 for sure ( specially the animations :) ) and they can make another method for the Octa-Cam (if it's a prob) just like what Capcom did with the Devil Bringer..

the only way for MGS4 to stay on PS3 is a huge deal or something like what nintendo did with capcom for RE series and secure the mean series for 3-4 years..

it's sad..and it will be huge hit for X360 and all other stuff..but..i don't care anymore..

[curryking1]

Don't even relate MGS4 to DMC4. That's just damn blasphemous.

[VonGak]

Please do not compare MGS4 with DMC4.

DMC was not presented by SONY on stage as one of their biggest exclusive titles.

And SONY isn't helping to finance a DMC4 movie.

Plus Kojima is not some simple 2'nd rang director who obeys every single order from the publisher (then we would have no Raiden).

I'm not debating the possibilities of a 360 version, just the comparison of the two titles.