Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[OmniStalgic]

Yeah i just watched it like 3 times in a row...I seriously don't wanna play anything as much as this game right now....Im about to go play MGS3-then-MGS1-thenMGS2 just to reiterate some of the big plot points...this series is crazy

[Jasonps3]

I just finished playing MGS2 again and man, does it bring back memories. A little question, does going thru Arsenal Gear with naked Raiden gives you goosebumps especially with the song?

[Nameless]

^ Uhhhh no... LOL!

[masonite]

^^the colonel constantly saying all that stuff on the radio through that part gave me the heebie jeebies.....i thought there was something wrong with the game at first ;) but yeh, the music was pretty creepy too.


a fitting way to get my 300th post ;)

[julps31]

I justed watched the Gametrailers HD trailer and WOW....it looks even better than i thought. I knew the version i had was missing texture detail because of the compression but it could definantly pass as CG in some parts. I wasn't really blown away by the graphics at first (even though i thought it looked good) but now i'm really impressed.

And lol @ Namless...

[curryking1]

^^the colonel constantly saying all that stuff on the radio through that part gave me the heebie jeebies.....i thought there was something wrong with the game at first ;) but yeh, the music was pretty creepy too.


a fitting way to get my 300th post ;)

Congrats on your 300th post lol.

I can't believe I was tricked into thinking my game was broken as well! When the colonel said turn the game console off, I actually did it b/c for some reason the combination of the random sayings making me think the game was broken and then the colonel finally saying so made me actually turn my console off!:shocked:

I can't believe it lol, that game truly absorbs you into the shoes of the character. I was so pissed off when I realised I wasn't supposed to turn the console off at all...

And then after when you get into the long green tube thing, and you have to wait there for a bit (running towards the front of the screen and running all the way to the other end makes this go faster) as Raiden, I thought the game glitched and I turned it off a second time!!!! :shocked:

And a third time!!!! :shocked: in the tube again... until I finally decided to explore it and found the way to make that scene go faster...

[whiteknight]

Congrats on your 300th post lol.

I can't believe I was tricked into thinking my game was broken as well!

In MGS3 when I came to SPOILER SPOILER the Sorrow and I died I restarted my game because I thought I wasn't supposed to touch him or something SPOILER SPOILER. =P

[masonite]

hehe, cheers curryking. Yeh, i almost did the same!!! i can remember how wierd it felt... i thought the same thing in that tube thing, im pretty sure i did turn it off a couple of times too.

white knight i did the same thing there too!!! lol maybe im just gullible...i think i actually went to a few walkthroughs to get through that part, i didnt realise you had to take the death pill - i touched the sorrow, died and though "shit, i wasnt supposed to do that"... next time i just stood there trying to shoot him for a while, i think.... cant wait to see what happens in MGS4....

[Slay]

The Superior Version o MGS4 is ready enjoy...
http://rapidshare.de/files/34714852/MGS4_TGS06_Superior_Version.wmv.html

for anyone missed it , it's the gametrailers video , with the direct feed audio.

[CreativeWriter]

Thanks Slay! +rep

[Rubbernek]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona06.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona11.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona10.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona15.jpg

[Luis]

Nice shots :hugegrin: Slay's video looks great, although a bit too bright. The colours in those shots are really nice though. And since I've first watched the trailer, I've wondered what does Snake do in that last shot :huh:

[Rubbernek]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona16.jpg

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/kona17.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Nice shots :hugegrin: Slay's video looks great, although a bit too bright. The colours in those shots are really nice though. And since I've first watched the trailer, I've wondered what does Snake do in that last shot :huh:

the part where he's cracking his back cuz he's 'too old for this shit!?' hahaha.
or the part where he's camoflauged with the statues?

[Luis]

the part where he's cracking his back cuz he's 'tool old for this shit!?' hahaha.Precisely. I guess there's no mistery there.

By the way, when he looks at the statues, it's noticeable even under the mask that he does his trademark smirk (trademark since at least E3 2006 trailer).

[Sephiroth_VII]

As I see it, he's looking at the ravens, thinking about Vulcan.

[Slay]

I've wondered what does Snake do in that last shot :huh:
it seems quite similar with the thing that metal gears are doing after a victory (they strech up and release a green gas) what if the metal gears have something from snake's DNA, after all they're part organic, and it seems that liquid snake controls them (a snake clone himself)

[Fazares]

damn the rapidshare thing is too slow...got a torrent..?

[Slay]

damn the rapidshare thing is too slow...got a torrent..?
try this one
http://trotzdem.dyndns.org:1984/slay/MGS4_TGS06_Superior_Version.wmv

[Fazares]

try this one
http://trotzdem.dyndns.org:1984/slay/MGS4_TGS06_Superior_Version.wmv
its just the same thing...thnx for the effort....if there would be a torrent version....:-/

[Z]

As I see it, he's looking at the ravens, thinking about Vulcan.
good presuption, but Vulcan Raven died along, long time ago and he wasn't that significant in Snake's life. he was just another boss he fought, just like all of the Cobra unit in MGS3- aside from The Boss, of course.

I say he was just staring at the crow and feeling depressed or challenged as the poor bird is almost a ubicutous simbol of death and misery world wide. if you look at all of the trailers, they are really sad and show a dim view. the crow sybol just adds to that. that is my interpertation, anyway. ;)

BUT
if VG is right and Snake did give a smirk, then that changes the whole thing. if so, it just means that Snake just had an idea to escape from his pursuers when he say the bird on the statues.

[Luis]

if VG is right and Snake did give a smirk, then that changes the whole thing. if so, it just means that Snake just had an idea to escape from his pursuers when he say the bird on the statues.In the end, all of us could be right or wrong :-p

[cliffbo]

the pigeon shits on his head and he's none too happy. deep, i know, but it could be right...

[Z]

In the end, all of us could be right or wrong
what'd I say?
it is all in the smirk, my friend. all in the smirk. that and the Z cannot possibly be wrong- logically speaking. I am always right. and if I am not right, then everything else is wrong an thus re-proving my rightness for I am a lefty on the rightous way of the sides in which logic balances itself on the right side.
O_o'

[Maya 5.0]

That raven thing had no real meaning.It's nice and all to decifer everything in the video but as of right now i don't think it has any real message.

[Z]

well, what better things to do from now till the game launches?

we are that desperate dammit!
*views video backwords while The Da Vinci COde theme playes at the background* hmm..need to look closer...

[julps31]

The Superior Version o MGS4 is ready enjoy...
http://rapidshare.de/files/34714852/MGS4_TGS06_Superior_Version.wmv.html

for anyone missed it , it's the gametrailers video , with the direct feed audio.Thanks for the vid man...i'm about to watch it. +rep.. The Gametrailers vid was the best IMO because of you could actually see the textures and the shading that you couldn't in the other vid. Its definantly a incredible looking game.

And am i the only one who noticed that Snake had his hand on the statues crotch? lol... I think thats what VG was refering to.

[Carlos]

good presuption, but Vulcan Raven died along, long time ago and he wasn't that significant in Snake's life. he was just another boss he fought, just like all of the Cobra unit in MGS3- aside from The Boss, of course.
Nah, just because they fought, and was a short time doesn't mean anything. Both of those units have a unusual connection to Snake's life. Just like the bond between Ms. Boss, and the Cobras.

I said this earlier in the thread:

At the end of the battle between Snake, and Vulcan, he said he'd watch over him, or anyone connected to him, as I sense some admiration for his "legacy." Where do I get the admiration from? Those ravens shit on Octacon's face/statue give that vibe off. Shit on your face is supposed to be "lucky."

[Z]

At the end of the battle between Snake, and Vulcan, he said he'd watch over him, or anyone connected to him, as I sense some admiration for his "legacy." Where do I get the admiration from? Those ravens shit on Octacon's face/statue give that vibe off. Shit on your face is supposed to be "lucky."
now that's thinking too much if you asked me. ;)

Nah, just because they fought, and was a short time doesn't mean anything. Both of those units have a unusual connection to Snake's life. Just like the bond between Ms. Boss, and the Cobras.
I don't know if it is because it is 3 am here or not, but I didn't get what you meant there.

need.sleep.

[Carlos]

Sleep on it, and read that quote again. It makes perfect sense.

Both the Cobras, and FoxHound are connected to Snake (once again, its like how the Cobras are connected to The Boss), now that they were defeated by him. Its what made him legendary.

[OmniStalgic]

LOL...Z ur really in Saudi Arabia?-people put all types of stupid stuff up there so I don't pay attention to it really...It's like 8:15 in Jersey man! Go to sleep dude!!

[yoshaw]

It's friday, a weekend over here. Give him a break ;) lol

edit: i meant weekend.

[Z]

I'm up! 3:30 pm :)
now, what were we saying?

Both the Cobras, and FoxHound are connected to Snake (once again, its like how the Cobras are connected to The Boss), now that they were defeated by him. Its what made him legendary.
but the CObra Unit and The Boss never saw or heard of the birth of Snake, Liquid or Solidus. these three were cloned from Big Boss after he became such a legend and formed the original Foxhound. that is way after MGS3's story.
in fact, it is very possible that Big Boss himself didn't know the existance of his clones (if he was even alive at the time of the extraction). again, if he was alive, he may have heard about them from their notable stunts.

[NickSCFC]

http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/4198/899_0002.jpg

Urgh!

Why can't the textures look like this!

http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4225/786_0001.jpg

[masteratt]

About GeOW:
WHY CAN'T THE GAMEPLAY BE LIKE THIS! *points to MGS1,2,3 and 4*

Neg repped you by the way...Picking on the textures of a game that's a year away from release!! Not only that, but you are comparing it with the best looking X360 AND not to mention

THIS IS METAL GEAR SOLID 4 FOR FUCK SAKE!! IT CAN LOOK LIKE A SNES GAME AND STILL BEAT ANY GAMING EXPERIENCE!!!

[Luis]

Why can't the textures look like this!And why the characters in GeOW have awful hair (or a handkerchief to cover it :laugh:), bulky armors (which really match with the handkerchief :laugh:), and as soon as there are more than 5 on screen, the frame rate stutters?

[Nameless]

Nick, you must be an idiot...
What's the point of posting a pic of GOW in this thread unless you are looking to start some shit. I'm really looking forward to GOW, but trust me when MGS 4 is released it will blow this game away visually. Also, the textures in GOW are not that great IMHO. The game is looking promising, but I want to see the final product on my HD TV, before I start praising GOW visuals, because test drive looked amazing in screenshot, but just average in motion... Peace

[Rubbernek]

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/15910ba3585abaa38f1390d89eb0e4d9.jpg

Urgh!

Why can't the textures look like this!

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734423/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20060922045640654.jpg


....By the way... RSX has more texture units than Xenos:


"G71 certainly has an advantage in terms of available texture units"

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=746446&highlight=texture+units#post746446

Also, developers are now starting to use the XDR Ram for textures as well as the FlexIO:


"to overcome this hurdle developers are using memory from the Cell for textures, and using FlexIO as a texture lead"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4427126&postcount=7

[adam2407]

both looks great ^^ I hope they can maintain a steady framerate.

[LiquidEagle]

I definitely thought of Vulcan Raven when I saw the crows. I think it may have been a partial nod to the part in MGS2 when Snake sees the shadow of Vulcan Raven but it ends up being a toy. Also, somebody already pointed out that Raven said he'd be watching over Snake, so that works too. It could also just be Kojima wanting to show that there will be animals to interact with in the game, though...

[OmniStalgic]

LOL...Don't disgrace urself by posted a Gears of War pic in the MGS4 thread-it'll only result in about 100 fans tearing u a knew one!!! hahahahaa...

Back on topic-U guys are definitely thinking too hard w/the Raven thing I think-but u may be on to something who knows:shrug:? I just wanna know why Snake is miraculously young again. And I also want a rematch w/Snake vs. Liquid. The first time-Snake got saved by Foxdie. There should truly be a battle to settle it and see if "Determination" & "Will" is all u need. Snake is the inferior clone after all-yet he's the one who's now legendary. He's the one who killed Big Boss. And he's the one that Raiden was made built after. I can't wait for this game man...

[Z]

ah, OmniCloud just reminded me, Big Boss did indeed know of the existance of at least Snake since they fought in Zanzibar.

I forgot about that incounter. ;p

[TEEDA]

http://www.digitalfan.com/uploads/pics/mgs4_characters.jpg

SO do u think he could return ? as a clone or maybe resurrected ? lol

[Z]

Kojima is too crazy to predict. my head hurts just by remembering his name.
heck, my great aunty Helda could appear in the game!

[Fazares]

drools at the mgs4 screen....



IT CAN LOOK LIKE A SNES GAME AND STILL BEAT ANY GAMING EXPERIENCE!!!....dont be so sure about this...:-/

[pabloso]

@Rubberneck
I personally think that one of the main differences is that both titles have chosen to focus more attention either on environments or characters. Gears of War imo has better environment textures etc. however MGS prevails with it character models.

Kojima knows how important the characters are to MGS and so wants to place as much detail into them (even to compromise textures) as possible. Gears of War releases soon whereas MGS still has a long way to go so I still expect the graphics to improve.

[Carlos]

but the CObra Unit and The Boss never saw or heard of the birth of Snake, Liquid or Solidus. these three were cloned from Big Boss after he became such a legend and formed the original Foxhound. that is way after MGS3's story.
in fact, it is very possible that Big Boss himself didn't know the existance of his clones (if he was even alive at the time of the extraction). again, if he was alive, he may have heard about them from their notable stunts.
Well, all of them know the name Snake, and what he's about, but for every battle with the Cobras, you can see admiration from a mile away, much like Vulcan's words of wisdom before his death. If you watched the aftermath between The Boss, and Big Boss, you'll see leaves turning into red, and flying away, that's as similar as you can get, with Vulcan's Crows. Liquid has been following Snake's journey, Ocelot, too have been doing the same thing. So by now, EVERYONE is connected. EVERYONE who has been involved in MGS1, 2 AND 3....They all have a bond with Snake in a form or another, just like The Boss, and Big Boss does. If there was never a connection, each boss battle wouldn't be as crafted as they were. It was a testament to Snake's skills. How far Snake came, how he has evolved. Those who battle Solid Snake in his battles, want to understand why he was made legendary, if you haven't noticed by every end boss battles. And so, after all said and done, before they die, they build understanding, and BOND with Snake. Thus, Snake knows Outer Haven, The Cobras, FoxHound, and The Patriots.

Fear's boss battle was created for a reason, to connect the Cobras and Big Boss in ways that The Boss and Cobras are connected. Another example I can make, is Sniper Wolf and her huskies/wolves (forgot the name of the pet). What I'm boiling down to, is every boss battle hold a purpose, a meaning, a theme, and connection that fits together the puzzle.

Now, the Ocelot/Liquid combination, and Solid Snake are a rivalry. Arch enemies. Its been going on far too long enough, that the character development in MGS4 will be a larger scope than anything in the previous Metal Gear games.

In fact, since every boss battle is essential to Snake's legacy, you'll backtrack those locations. Outer Haven will be highly empathized, that you'll go back to Shadow Moses sometime in the game. Since the game will be taken place all over the world, we'll see the future version of the Soviet Union (where MGS3 took place), Middle East (Kojima's original idea behind MGS2), and the future United States. I doubt we're going to revisit The Big Shell, since it was destroyed the last time we were there, unless the Soviet Union (The Patriots' home, since Outer Haven was created somewhere nearby, and where the story BEGAN) covers the costs to make the new version.

[OmniStalgic]

^I see u are a true fan Carlos...U understand the greatness that is Kojima san-lol

[Nameless]

Carlos, Great post and perhaps you are on the right track...
If your predictions come true that's damn impressive, because it's almost impossible to decipher Kojima's meaning in trailers...

[makeitlookreal]

I used to think the graphics of Gears of War were going to be amazing. Now, I realize they are not that special at all. What we have seen from Metal Gear Solid 4 is significantly better. I really think that most of the old videos and images from Gears of War must have been done on uber-PCs because the newer shots and videos don't look nearly as good.

MGS4 is clearly ahead of Gears of War.

[Maya 5.0]

And by the way...was not kojima the one that said he was not going after great graphics with MGS4?He probably aint even trying as much as he can and look how the game looks already!.

[Nameless]

If only MGS4 was a launch title... :cloud9:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7605/mgs4boxartcopync7.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

why would sony online entertainment be on the cover?
but that is a sweet mock-up.
edit: I still wanna know if that baby in raiden's arms has any significance.... 2,222 posts! awesome.

[Nameless]

^ I didn't create it and had the same question...
I still thought you guys would appreciate the mock-up!

[yoshaw]

If something similar to that is the cover whenever MGS4 launches I'll buy the damn game even if I don't own a PS3 by then. That artwork of Snake look's RAD!

PS: Just move snake and the logo a lil bit uppety there, remove the SOE logo and it's a perfect cover.

[CrumCon]

Also, developers are now starting to use the XDR Ram for textures as well as the FlexIO:


Well, isnt that exactly why there are two seperate Ram banks?

This is what sony wants, they wants Cell to handle some of the works not just rsx.



If something similar to that is the cover whenever MGS4 launches I'll buy the damn game even if I don't own a PS3 by then. That artwork of Snake look's RAD!


lol.. why not just wait till u HAVE a PS3, then maybe the price of the game will be cheap as dirt. why buy at full price, especially when u dont have a ps3

[yoshaw]

^lol, I'm surprised anyone took that sentence seriously! ^_^

[Fazares]

hmm...i dont really think geow has better texturing than mgs4...

[Z]

^lol, I'm surprised anyone took that sentence seriously! ^_^
actually, someone told me he'll do that. he said he'll be buying the good games and get a PS3 later when it's cheaper (or just get the 20G model). and like you, I din't get the point of doing so. the more you wait, the cheaper the system and games get- not to mention the more options you'll have to chose from.

[Fredag]

Can you find them all?
I used PS:CS2. It's great! :)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9504/findthesnakescopyaa9.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=findthesnakescopyaa9.jpg)


Snakes new camo is going to make the gameplay a lot more fun, I can't wait to try it!

[LiquidEagle]

I counted 7, but I'm in a rush :(

[Fredag]

I counted 7, but I'm in a rush :(
With the original snake, it's seven, so you got it right!:cheers:
+rep (I have 0 rep, so if I give it to you, then you get 0?)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7227/kossahdcopyra1.png

[LiquidEagle]

w00tz! better than -rep :-p

[Luis]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/lob4star/IMG_1223.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/lob4star/IMG_1219.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/lob4star/IMG_1220.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

Damn EVA.... I'd be tempted to slap her but she also looks really good (and blurry...). I love that tiny cardboard box on Snake's head too, that's awesome.

[Z]

humph...it's pre-rendered!

[yoshaw]

ROFL at the Old Snake cosplay. That's hilarious and brilliantly portrayed with a smoke.

lol

[Voidler]

That Eva chick is a good cosplayer, I've seen her before, always MGS :)

(Beware 56k, your doom is nigh)

As Eva:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9510/mgs36dh.jpg
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/6955/me000049914926vc1nx.jpg
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/7698/ocelotwins8fi.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/484/5394647jc.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2198/4199570jr.jpg

Her as the Boss:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/631/boss9yy.jpg
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7396/boss18ow.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2975/4946526eb.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6171/4960548xj.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3302/4198630qk.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3065/4232192uv.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/706/4885325rw.jpg

Meryl:
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1285/5505531zf.jpg

As Rumble Rose chick:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2176/4890657or.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9481/4885984xg.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4567/4816380ol.jpg

[xone_4]

@Voidler i want to +rep you but i have 0 reps :-(
can you give me the source links of these photos ?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think I'm in love.

[Luis]

I want to marry her =-o

[Voidler]

@Voidler i want to +rep you but i have 0 reps :-(
can you give me the source links of these photos ?

Took abit of scrounging around but I got something :Carrot:

http://images.cosplay.com/gallery.php?BRSR=36&cat=500&member=34693

[Luis]

Too cool!


http://images.cosplay.com/photos/85/856976.jpg

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/55/553145.jpg

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/55/553144.jpg

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/61/613847.jpg

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/50/500377.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

hahaha funny stuff. Their costumes pwn American cosplayers! Not to mention the women pwn our cosplayers too :laugh:

I would totally wear that Sneaking Suit Snake has if I had one... I'd wear it everywhere I went.

[BahnNZ]

Have her scrubbed and sent to my tent.

p.s. For your amusement, jvd says all the MGS4 demos were CG: http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62760&page=2

[Z]

hahaha funny stuff. Their costumes pwn American cosplayers! Not to mention the women pwn our cosplayers too

I would totally wear that Sneaking Suit Snake has if I had one... I'd wear it everywhere I went.
Reply With Quote
tell me about it...

if it was up to me, I would wear cosplay forever.

[Red_Eyes]

PSM3 has a very interesting MGS4 theory about the Young Snake at the end of the TGS trailer.

http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=mgs4_theorists_check_this_out

[BahnNZ]

I honestly think "Young Snake" is just some guy who kinda looks like him to mess with our heads and get us all talking.

Kojima is no dummy, knows how to get the people on forums generating hype.

[curryking1]

^Definitely Applefiend, he knows how to get the forums on fire. I really hope it is actually Young Snake... I miss the guy...I miss playing as him and whooping ass with him.... sigh....

[Sephiroth_VII]

tell me about it...

if it was up to me, I would wear cosplay forever.
Please don't. I get what you're saying, though. I'd like cosplay to be acceptable street clothes. Much cooler than anything Levis or Dolche Gabbana can come up with, IMHO!

Red_Eyes: I said that first (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1244667&postcount=104)! Lol!!!

[antuk15]

Here's a few screen grabs i just took from the TGS 2006 trailer.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6590/pdvd018tx1.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7029/pdvd020xm5.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4332/pdvd023xz6.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7940/pdvd024gb8.jpg

Very last pic of snake is :drool:

[solidsnakejej]

Looks like their next issue with the Kojima interview will be out the 26th of this month. Aside from the ZOE3 confirmation I wonder what new info will come out of it.


Got to go - got an amazing MGS4 revelation to spill in our (amazing) Metal Gear Solid 4 feature coming up next issue. Watch out for an exclusive sneak peek of what we've got in the blog tomorrow.
Just how amazing will it be? (http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=are_you_new_round_here)

[Carlos]

PSM3 has a very interesting MGS4 theory about the Young Snake at the end of the TGS trailer.

http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=mgs4_theorists_check_this_out
Then if that's Young Snake, then that must mean that MGS4 is a prequel, other people said that Young Snake looks no older than 25, so, are we in for a prequel, and NOT a sequel? Its going to piss ME off if it is. Since Kojima wants to TRUELY wrap up the series, it HAS to be a sequel to do that. I want to know exactly what went on in MGS2, and what happened AFTER the incident.

[BahnNZ]

And also, the guy can surely have a flashback, no?

[Z]

Kojima wants to TRUELY wrap up the series, it HAS to be a sequel to do that. I want to know exactly what went on in MGS2, and what happened AFTER the incident.
yes, it is confirmed (amny times, I think) that MGS4 is a direct sequel after MGS2 and that old Snake is really the Snake we all know and played with in MGS1&2. and yes, Kojima is crazy and unpredictable. you may play as wet naked guy or a pink dancing hippo in the game. everything goes. and yes, you will get a kick-ass experience like nowhere else playing MGS4.

any questions?

[LiquidEagle]

Indeed, this game is a sequel. Notice how he has white hair coming out from under the mask. I think the Young Snake is the costume, and the Old Snake is his real face. Keep in mind that a lot of this is about Snake's deteriorating health, accelerated aging, and Kojima said early on during E3 that putting this time limit on Snake's survival really added urgency and really gives the game more dramatic effect. Young Snake negates all of that...

[yoshaw]

50fps MGS4 trailer (offcam)



The TGS is still not over for Playsyde, so enjoy this Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer encoded at 50 fps. It's worth mentioning that I've used the sound from the small resolution direct feed trailer so it sounds very good.

http://www.playsyde.com/news_3671_en.html

>I'm still downloading, so far Slay's version has top honors in my book<

[Slay]

50fps MGS4 trailer (offcam)



http://www.playsyde.com/news_3671_en.html

>I'm still downloading, so far Slay's version has top honors in my book<
the video is almost identical to my version, minus the heads at the bottom of the screen, and i didn't saw any difference with the framerate being 50fps.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

and also...why would the technology in a prequel or a flashback be more sophisticated than times afterwards?
so cross that out.

[OmniStalgic]

THe most logical thing is that Snake's suit allows him to change his facial makeup along with his body-but Kojima does some whacky stuff sometimes so I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe the young face is the mask, or maybe it's a clone of Solid Snake-that no one knows about...I'm just going to warn you-speculation on MGS4 story-always end in tears:nono:

I'm more interesting in seeing ZOE3 anyway-MGS4 is pretty-but I don't Kojima focuses on the graphics like he does w/ZOE. The game was released what? 4 or 5 years ago and it's still one of the prettiest PS2 games you'll come across. Besides-MGS4 is just too much for the mind.

[Voidler]

If Konami were smart they'd have released 720p direct feed straight off the bat, like Sony, that'd give a way better impression of the visuals

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah... I'm not sure why but Konami always seems bad about releasing their trailers in non-320x240 .wmv :laugh:

shoot 'em an e-mail, I have a feeling KojiPro actually listens to people ;)

[lilkoy123]

Indeed, this game is a sequel. Notice how he has white hair coming out from under the mask. I think the Young Snake is the costume, and the Old Snake is his real face. Keep in mind that a lot of this is about Snake's deteriorating health, accelerated aging, and Kojima said early on during E3 that putting this time limit on Snake's survival really added urgency and really gives the game more dramatic effect. Young Snake negates all of that...
Exactly...I've provided screenshots from another trailer proving that Snake is indeed old and it's not just a disguise or camo suit...
Here is old snake in a cemetary with otacon and the colenel picking him up in a helicopter for his next mission in the middle east... don't tell me his already wearing the camo suit even before the mission, lol...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/lilkoy123/oldsnake.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/lilkoy123/oldsnakeotacon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/lilkoy123/oldsnakecolenel.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

Well that's a good case too, but there's always going to be a good amount of deception in every Kojima/MGS trailer :)

[antuk15]

If Konami were smart they'd have released 720p direct feed straight off the bat, like Sony, that'd give a way better impression of the visuals

But are'nt the new screens 1080p resolution? hinting that the game maybe running 1080p?

[frosty]

Yes. It is said to be 1080p.

[antuk15]

Yes. It is said to be 1080p.

Sweet :beer:

[Voidler]

But are'nt the new screens 1080p resolution? hinting that the game maybe running 1080p?So? 720p trailer beats the res they've released the trailer at.

[antuk15]

So? 720p trailer beats the res they've released the trailer at.

So? Why would they release a detail loseing 720p trailer when the game runs in 1080p? There wont be a 720p trailer, if the game is running in 1080p then the direct feed trailer when its released will be 1080p also.

[Viano]

does the 480+ trailer size really matter for everyone? takes too much time downloading, 720p way enough

[Voidler]

So? Why would they release a detail loseing 720p trailer when the game runs in 1080p? There wont be a 720p trailer, if the game is running in 1080p then the direct feed trailer when its released will be 1080p also.Because the game still runs in 720p aswell as 1080p, and a 720p vid is a hell of alot better than the 320 x 180 res video we got. Don't be so fucking thick, jesus.

On top of that, the past direct feed vids they released later have all been 720p aswell. A 1080p video would run too slow on most computers, aswell as the file size being gigantic.

[Voidler]

If only MGS4 was a launch title... :cloud9:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7605/mgs4boxartcopync7.jpg
That's an insult to all the Shinkawa covers

[CrumCon]

ugly cover, who the hell made that ugly thing>?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

all the deadspace above the logo (why is it so low?) doesn't help the overall composition either.
They released snake eater without any real shinkawa art on the cover, which made me kinda disappointed, but they released subsistance with the cover art it should have gotten..

[antuk15]

Because the game still runs in 720p aswell as 1080p, and a 720p vid is a hell of alot better than the 320 x 180 res video we got. Don't be so fucking thick, jesus.

So Konami would release a 720p trailer of the game because the game can also run at 720p? So they would release a trailer that "detail" wise wont show the game looking as sharp or show the detail a 1080p trailer would? I hope you dont work in advertising :ko: Thats like a store showing a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray film in 480p because the film can be viewed in 480p as well as 720p/1080p. I think it's you who is, and i quote "fucking thick"

Konami ~ "Check out the detail in MGS4 in all its 1080p glory in this 720p video" :angel:

[Z]

wait a sec...is there an official cover of the game that I don't know about or something?

okay, spill it out. what's going on?! O_o

[solidsnakejej]

No, no official cover just a fan made cover. I doubt that they would be working on a cover yet.

[LiquidEagle]

That cover is a mock up, not official. We won't get the official one until probably next October :-p

720p is ideal as opposed to 1080p for this trailer's release because, as Voidler said, 1080p is very hard on computers to run! Thus, less people can watch it effectively. 720p is a lot more doable, and still looks a lot nicer than the 320x240 video we're stuck with. A 1080p would be nice for those of us who can run it (I'm not even sure if my comp can :shocked: ), but a 720p would be seen by lots more people and still look very nice.

That cover art is okay, but like Voidler said it's missing the Shinkawa touch... we'll just have to wait & see what the cover looks like :-D

btw, are we ever going to get this (http://www.i-revo.jp/promotion/mg/index.html)?

[Red_Eyes]

I can't even play 730p videos on my computer smoothly. Why would I even try 1080P videos on my computer? Well, I would, because it's MGS4. But the stutters! The stutters!

[Mr_Nothin]

Who here has seen any 1080p trailer released for ANY 1080p game?
It would just be too big. Its not like people would be able to see that much of a difference with a 1080p trailer anyways. We ARE on PC monitors here....

[Nameless]

^ There's a few trailers out there sporting 1080P, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is project offset. I'm feeling kind of lazy so I don't feel like finding more, but there are a few 1080P trailers...

I agree there's no real point, because the file size can be rather large and it requires a PC with a decent CPU, RAM & videocard, not to mention a display capable of 1920 &#215; 1080... Only a small portion of people have all of the above.

I do expect the PS3 to have downloadable trailers or demos that have 1080P if the titles supports the resolution! Peace

[Voidler]

So Konami would release a 720p trailer of the game because the game can also run at 720p? So they would release a trailer that "detail" wise wont show the game looking as sharp or show the detail a 1080p trailer would? I hope you dont work in advertising :ko: Thats like a store showing a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray film in 480p because the film can be viewed in 480p as well as 720p/1080p. I think it's you who is, and i quote "fucking thick"

Konami ~ "Check out the detail in MGS4 in all its 1080p glory in this 720p video" :angel:You're getting fucking annoying, that's not what I was suggesting at all :| No use dealing with an arrogant noob :shrug:

[Viano]

So Konami would release a 720p trailer of the game because the game can also run at 720p? So they would release a trailer that "detail" wise wont show the game looking as sharp or show the detail a 1080p trailer would? I hope you dont work in advertising :ko: Thats like a store showing a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray film in 480p because the film can be viewed in 480p as well as 720p/1080p. I think it's you who is, and i quote "fucking thick"

Konami ~ "Check out the detail in MGS4 in all its 1080p glory in this 720p video" :angel:

you're pretty funny, how about come to tokyo and I take you to kojima's office ask him to make you a 1440 trailer


loLLLLLL

[frosty]

Um, ever consider they decided to release it in 720p because 1080p can only be played on high end systems and it takes up more space to encode at a decent bitrate, increasing traffic and server load and costing them bandwidth?

[solidsnakejej]

New interview from Famitsu with Kojima nothing new but a good read

Famitsu: First off, let’s talk about Metal Gear Solid 4. Is the current Tokyo Game Show MGS4 trailer of actual game-play on the PS3?

Kojima: Until now the trailers were made up of demo scenes in the game, but this time we edited together scenes of real game-play. In actuality, I would rather have had a playable version up, but there were some parts we were still hesitant about so instead we showed MGS4 in the form of game-play scenes.

Famitsu: There were some big changes we saw this time around, like the optical-camouflage and barrels.

Kojima: Until now we were using cardboard boxes, but then I kind of thought about how it would really be like to put a cardboard box over your heard in a battlefield.

Famitsu: Just watching it’s obvious, but game play style has also changed. Well then, you also have Metal Gear Portable Ops coming out quite soon, too, am I right?

Kojima: Yes, we’re thinking of releasing it sometime in December. Regarding its production, we’re nearly done, but this year-end season we’ll be having a game seemingly released every week so we’re still kind of lost on a final release date for Portable Ops.

Famitsu: Certainly. You have Boktai and Kabutore coming out along with MGS: Digital Graphic Novel which was recently released, so maybe it would be a bit early for another sequel.

Kojima: This time we made MGS: Digital Graphic Novel’s story based on the MGS storyline, but for those players who started with MGS3 and want to know more about MGS2’s storyline we’re also thinking about them too. Next year will be Metal Gear’s 20th anniversary and personally I was thinking of ending the series with MGS4 but stopped myself.

Famitsu: Next I’d like to touch upon Kabutore [stock trading game for DS]. This game is really breaking the boundaries for you, isn’t it?

Kojima: Yes, it is. I really want to surprise people with this game. I want to deliver a new feeling to the player, so I’m pushing myself hard in order to [do that]. That said, I also have MGS4 to work on and only wish I could save myself more time and energy to work on other projects.

Famitsu: With games like Boktai and Kabutore it really seems like you're trying to stay on the cutting edge.

Kojima: Really it’s just because I like to make games like these.

Famitsu: I see. Well then, on to my next question. Do you have any plans to make a Metal Gear portal site?

Kojima: We’re tentatively set to start the site in December. The age where game making is a one-sided affair is ending. With the portal we’ll be collecting people’s written stories and ideas so that everyone together will be a part of creating the Metal Gear series.

Famitsu: You sure are thinking of many different ideas. On to my next question – let me ask you about this year’s game show. Was there a booth this year that caught your eye in particular?

Kojima: I haven’t really looked that carefully but I do want to see some of the PS3 titles. That being said, there sure were a lot of people this year. There were even many non-Japanese attending the show. I thought to myself for a second, ‘Is this E3?’ Since it’s our one festival of the year I want it to keep with the same momentum of this year’s and continue growing further.

Famitsu: I would also like to ask you about the next generation of video game hardware. What do you think of it all?

Kojima: They all have their certain charms, and I would like them all to succeed. Not only the next generation systems but portable gaming and cell phone games are also reaching new heights. With time I’d like to try doing more new things and really challenge myself. I’m hearing much about each new game system. Each company has entrusted their futures with their respective new hardware, so we’re carefully looking at each one and seeing what kind of expressions we can create with them. At this point in time I’m not thinking about which system will likely succeed. Like I said, I want all of them to succeed.

Famitsu: Are you saying there’s a chance that you’ll be making games for each new game system?

Kojima: Of course. As for now, though, MGS4 is a big enough project and it’s at the center of my attention.

Source (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7046)

[LiquidEagle]

Thank you, Snake! :-p

Like you said, nothing new, but when Kojima speaks, I always have to listen :-D

[FantasyGhost]

Don't shoot me if it's already been posted but i didn't go trough all those pages: http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/12258/mgs4_ps3_psp_8.jpg
I found this while i was looking for the MSG4 font.
http://g.jubii.dk/big/Metal-Gear-Solid-4/217520.jpg
Is this on from his eye or from the robot's view?

[Luis]

Don't shoot me if it's already been posted but i didn't go trough all those pages: http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/12258/mgs4_ps3_psp_8.jpgThis is an old idea based on rumours that said you could control MG MkII with a PSP.


http://g.jubii.dk/big/Metal-Gear-Solid-4/217520.jpg
Is this on from his eye or from the robot's view?Metal Gear Gekkou's view from TGS 2005 trailer.

[Coded-Dude]

well, it won't be on a secondary screen(theres no more dual HDMI out)
but that is still a feature on teh PSP(its just a rumor as far as I know)

[FantasyGhost]

It would be nice if it came true though like that F1 sideview mirror (PSP)shown at E3 06

the forth movie here: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/f1/media.html

[Luis]

well, it won't be on a secondary screen(theres no more dual HDMI out)PS3 still has two digital video outputs anyway.

[Coded-Dude]

simultaneous(the HDMI was hinted to be simultaneous)
since the loss of said feature there has been no talk of dual output......

[yoshaw]

PS3 can use the WiFi to submit any footage/gameplay directly to PSP. This had been the prime focus of Sony's PS3/PSP connectivity since day one IIRC. If you guys remember, the F1 rear view mirror was being transmitted to the PSP from PS3 via the WiFi signal and not any USB.

I wonder whether Kojima will create a PSP playable scenario with WiFi or USB. But it seems to be a very gimmicky thing atm since not all PS3 owners will be having a PSP handy to make use of it. I own a PSP and wouldn't mind such a feature but MkII should be a cool thing to control either via PSP or PS3 pad.

[yoshaw]

bump for great news.

KOJIMA gets recognition in the "Digital 50". A Top50 list of world's most prolific digital innovators. He shares this honor with 2 other industry gurus, Will Wright and Tetsuya Mizuguchi.


Mizuguchi, Kojima and Wright make the "Digital 50"
The world's most innovative digital creators.
by Jonathan Lumb, 10/23/2006

The Producers' Guild of America (PGA) has once again selected their 50 most innovative producers in the field of Digital Entertainment, this time published in the Hollywood Reporter on October 19th. The list of 50 producers and creators covers fields of animation, broadband, DVD, games, ITV, mobile and visual effects.

From the game field this time, the PGA has picked Will Wright, creator of The Sims, at number 5, Hideo Kojima, father of the Metal Gear Solid series, at number 38, and Tetsuya Mizuguchi, creator of Rez and Lumines and founder of Q Entertainment, at number 50. Professor Ryuta Kawashima, the brain behind Nintendo's Brain Age product, also made the list at number 16. Famous names outside the game industry include Dennis Muren (#20) for his visual effects work on Star Wars, Google's Larry Page and Sergei Brin (#9), and YouTube's Chad Hurley and Chris Chen (#23).

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154591

[wotter]

Release date for Japan: spring 2007.


Konami laisse filtrer une petite information, et non des moindres, puisqu'elle concerne l'un des plus gros titres en développement sur PlayStation 3, le très attendu Metal Gear Solid 4 : Guns of the Patriots. L'éditeur japonais annonce en effet dans un magazine japonais que son jeu devrait sortir durant le printemps 2007 au Japon. A suivre donc.

Babelfish translation:


Konami lets filter small information, and not the least, since it relates to one of the headlines under development on PlayStation 3, very awaited Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. The Japanese editor indeed announces in a Japanese magazine that its play should leave during spring 2007 to Japan. To thus follow.

Link: http://www.jeux-france.com/news17994_mgs4-pour-le-printemps-2007-au-japon.html

[Luis]

That's too soon. Could be a typo since it's not an interview or an official announcement.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I really want to see a trailer with some of the boss characters. sigh....

[LiquidEagle]

Mizuguchi, Kojima and Wright make the "Digital 50"
The world's most innovative digital creators.
by Jonathan Lumb, 10/23/2006


:'( For a second there I thought I was on that list alongside Kojima and Mizuguchi :laugh: Someday!!

Anyways, Spring '07 is definitely too soon. Last I heard, there was more talk about having to delay the game than there was anything hinting towards an early release.

[solidsnakejej]

Well Kojima said back at TGS that it still has a year in development so I think it's just a typo.


Kojima also had some saddening news to report to the magazine. Konami has previously promised a 2007 release for Metal Gear Solid 4. Apparently, the release will take place, at the earliest, late in the year, as it still has over a year of development time ahead... looks like we'll be getting a few more trailers before sinking our teeth into Kojima's last Metal Gear experience.

Source (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733889p1.html)

[wotter]

You can see the source for this news here: http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_17994.html .

[solidsnakejej]

PSM3 and PSW scans here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14080). Since there isn't anything new I wont post them

[Luis]

Thanks anyway :thumbl:

LMAO!!! (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/y2dazz/mgs4.png) (Note: you must be a MGS hardcore fan to get this one)

This one too (http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5339/n180vj9.jpg) :laugh: (Note: read above)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Some guy at church was insisting that he saw on IGN that MGS4 was coming out on the Wii. I couldn't help but laugh and tell him someone lied to him, and that it just wasn't happening. But he refused to believe me. silly guy.

[curryking1]

VG, your second one isn't working, but I certainly got the first one lol.

Snake says to MGS3 soldier "My moustache has as many polygons as you!"

[Luis]

It worked for me, but anyway... I uploaded it to imageshack, you can try again :)

[LiquidEagle]

lol, I saw it. Funny stuff.

Yeah, nothing new in those articles, what a bust :'(

[antuk15]

Weres the fucking HD video ????????????

[VideoGame mania]

I'd like to see it too.

[Z]

the bad news is that the next demo may take a while (4 months?). but the good news is that there is a very good chance that by then we will get a playble- and by we I mean everyone with broadband and a PS3. ;)

[curryking1]

You know what would be really sweet? If Konami can manage to get out a ZOE3 out sometime in 6, 7 or 8 months, and include a MGS4 demo! That would make my year hahaha.

[Grovestreet]

Hmm...Theres something weird I noticed, The PMC's Seem to be controlled(or something along those lines) By a suspicious helicopter hovering in the air, Whenever you see a PMC you see a helicopter directly above it, Check out the first trailer and the other ones ofcourse....Maybe im jumping the gun abit? Lol but Kojima does come up with some strange and cool ideas though so who knows.

[solidsnakejej]

New interview with Kojima OPM UK from MGS:TUS (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14454)


OPM
We noticed in the new MGS4 trailer that Snake seems to be shooting soldiers from both sides of the conflict. With graphics getting more realistic do you feel that the moral aspect of gaming is going to become more important?

Kojima
Well, this time Snake has his own rivals and destiny so he's in a battlefield but sometimes the people there don't have anything to do with him. So yes, there's a moral aspect to what Snake should or could do to others that are not really involved in his actions. It's up to the player, and thats a deliberate theme this time.

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OPM
Does this freedom to make moral choices reflect how people approach Metal Gear games in different ways - with some people blasting through and some using stealth more - or is it just a reflection of the morally murky way wars are being fought now?

Kojima
There are three aspects to this. Firstly, theres the real world changing as it is now with the Americans going everywhere and creating war. Secondly, theres MGS4's theme and plot, which has something to do with this. And the third aspect is that while MGS has always been a sneaking mission, FPS shooting is a trend and i really wanted to give players that freedom this time. I also want players to discover their emotions about how war changes life and people. You may decide to stick with nation 'A', or 'B' in the game's war, or you could destroy both. You could also choose not to ally with either country. There are not political issues involved for Snake. You don't have to kill the enemy, but you might decide to. I want people to understant that kind of feeling - killing someone you had no intention to kill. These days, with any FPS you're either on side 'A' or side 'B' and you're killing, killing, killing, but my games shouldn't be like that, and thats why i have this big theme. Of course, this is still a game and i don't people to be sick every time they shoot an enemy.

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OPM
The original tagline for MGS4 was 'No place to hide', and yet the more wee see OctoCam it seems that, now, potentially everywhere is a place to hide. To what extent will gamers be able to come up with creative places to stow away?

Kojima
In the MGS series there has always been some obstacle or other that you could hide behind and not show your body so you wouldn't get spotted. This time it's not like you hide somewhere - its more that you're in sight but out of sight in the battlefield. You're out of attention, so to say.

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OPM
Can you expand on that?

Kojima
To use a funny analogy - in the past, the MGS series was like a bank robber trying to rob a bank at night; so there are guards, cameras etc. And when you get spotted you're instantly known as the robber. But in this game, you're going into the bank at midday. You might just be a customer going in to make a deposit, but you still have to sneak in to accomplish your mission. So you're trying to deceive. You're on camera, so if you do weird things you'll be spotted as the robber, but if you don't you won't. Its more about deceiving the eye. I can't really reveal the top secrets but we [the development team] did our training camp in the mountains as we always do, and this time we had that kind of training: deceiving the eye, or crawling unseen while you're in view. Thats what we did for MGS4.

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OPM
In the first MGS4 trailer we saw an ageing Snake inject himself with something. At the end of the trailer we see what looks like a younger Solid Snake: is that him having reversed the effects of the serum or not?

Kojima
I put that in there because i wanted you to think about it, but its not something you will actually know until you play the game

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OPM
Can you tell us how the new bipedal cyborg Metal Gears will impact on the gameplay? They appear to operate in packs...

Kojima
Its not necessarily about Snake vs these Metal Gears - the GEKKOs (Japanese for 'Moonlight'). Sometimes GEKKOs will spot you as you're the enemy, but sometimes you're not necessarily the enemy to them. This means that is might be nation 'A' vs GEKKO and Snake can walk right past the. There will be some situations like that, and vice versa.

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OPM
We know the Middle East features in MGS4 and you've said you want this game to be like James Bond with Snake travelling the world. Is there any chance he'll visit the UK?

Kojima
Unfortunatly not. I want to go there, actually. But not Snake - not this time. Officially, the new locations are somewhere in the Middle East, somewhere in South America and somewhere in Eastern Europe.

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OPM
What prompted you to start motion-capturing real actors in MGS4? I understand you had you had a Japanese actress, (Yumi Kikuchi) on the stage, and demonstrated how she was scanned for use in the game...

Kojima
I cannot really say specifically as it would spoil MGS4s plot. However, i can just hint that one group in the game will use an actual skeleton and skin texture, and thats why we needed it. Of course, for Snake and Otacon we don't have real models. They are created, so there is a risk it won't work if you put the real actress or actors next to these people. However, we're thinking about how to make it a natural fit.

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OPM
Is it important to the plot that this group looks different?

Kojima
Yes. Exactly.


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OPM
Was Ms Kikuchi happy with her likeness?

Kojima
I hope she was happy. It's still a work in progress. What you saw was that we created a pure core of Ms Kikuchi the actress. She's not going to look like that in the game. She's going to be quite different. so don't think we're going to use it for promotional use like Capcom did with Takeshi Kaneshiro in Onimusha. We're not going to use her likeness like that.

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OPM
What are your feelings about the PS3s new Sixaxis controller and the loss of the Dual Shock 2's rumble?

Kojima
We can't say how we'll use the motion-sensing functionality specifically but we'll use it for sure. The controls in MGS3 got a little complex, so you'll have a little more direct control in MGS4. That said, i miss the rumble, and even now i hope it will come back.

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OPM
If we sneaked into the Kojima Productions offices now, what would we see? Would we be able to play anything?

Kojima
We're finally out of the research stage. We're now at a point where the system if finalised and we're saying 'lets go with this'. So the gauge and icons are there, but they're still temporary, meaning the design is still not fixed. Of course you can play, but we're still experimenting. If you go to one section you might play with the AI and enemies, while in other areas you can play around with the cameras or the background.

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OPM
Last time we talked there was some discussion that you weren't sure how best to incorporate Snake's little robot friend [The Metal Gear Mk.II], but now we see he's back in the game. We saw him electrocuting someone in the plums in the trailer. How will he work in the Guns Of The Patriots?

Kojima
Thats because you mentioned it. I remember that interview. You don't just electrocute people in the nuts, though. Thats in the trailer as a kind of a message that you can do something interesting with the Mk.II.

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OPM
So, are you saying that you can control the Mk.II in MGS4 yourself?

Kojima
Yes

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OPM
People in the UK always find people hit in the nuts very funny, so we're sure it will go down well.

Kojima
In France its always the shit part - the doo doo [laughs].

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OPM
Picture the scene: MGS4 has shipped to rave reviews and its selling strongly. Its your first day back at work. Whats the first item on your 'to do' list?

Kojima
If MGS4 sells, then its on to the next concept, which i have really wanted to do for a very long time. If it fails, I will probably start writing a letter to announce that i am leaving this company. Thats what i kind of want to do, actually. [Kojima pauses] Thats a joke...

[mario25]

Cool interview....+rep

[masteratt]

Hahaha, I love that guy.

[curryking1]

Omg MGS4 news. :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::

Yesss confirmation of different locales!! SA, Middle East, and Eastern Europe, thank god, I was getting worried for a while.


I put that in there because i wanted you to think about it, but its not something you will actually know until you play the game

Hahahaha. EDIT: Hmm I wondering why I found this so funny when I read it the first time...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Unfortunatly not. I want to go there, actually. But not Snake - not this time. Officially, the new locations are somewhere in the Middle East, somewhere in South America and somewhere in Eastern Europe.
So,Konami has plans to cuntinue the MGS series, with or without Kojima. That's what I read, anyway.

If MGS4 sells, then its on to the next concept, which i have really wanted to do for a very long time. If it fails, I will probably start writing a letter to announce that i am leaving this company. Thats what i kind of want to do, actually. [Kojima pauses] Thats a joke...
1. ZOE3, or a new concept?
2. Why do I doubt that was a joke...

[Shadow Voa]

What are your feelings about the PS3s new Sixaxis controller and the loss of the Dual Shock 2's rumble?

Kojima
We can't say how we'll use the motion-sensing functionality specifically but we'll use it for sure. The controls in MGS3 got a little complex, so you'll have a little more direct control in MGS4. That said, i miss the rumble, and even now i hope it will come back.

That what I like about Kojima-san, he says what he likes and makes it clear. Unlike the attitude I got from Phil Harrison who basically went on about rumble being old past technology and looking forward and forgetting it was important.

We shouldnt forget our roots, and rumble is important to some people, myself and Kojima-san as well it seems. Im glad to hear his take on the controller.

[whiteknight]

When I read
If it fails, I will probably start writing a letter to announce that i am leaving this company. Thats what i kind of want to do, actually.

In my head I was going "No Kojima, what are you thinking!" Hahahaha :P

[curryking1]

@Shadowvoa - I agree, Kojima is a true class act in the video game arena.

About that Phil Harrison thing you said though, Phil Harrison's relationship to Sony is much different from Kojima's, and their jobs are much different. I would expect nothing else from PH, but I still think he is one of the very best PR guys in gaming.

For the record, I too wish rumble stayed. I will miss the bumps in the road in GT5 very, very much.

Btw, who is there to take the reins when Kojima is gone? Seriously, this is very important to me, and I'm sure it is to a lot of you. I thought I'd better ask it to see if anything new has come up on this front, after Seph just posted about how that text might have hinted to the franchise continuing post-Kojima.

[stanDarsh]

Well if you miss rumble, this could be a suitable replacement:

http://www.homedics.com/prod/detail.aspx?ID=308

[curryking1]

^That's stupid... lol! I would never, ever buy anything like that.

[Z]

MGS news is always welcomed, although we only get snippets of new info.
for me, it was the confirmation of the MKII being playable. we also learned the specific locals of the game as well.

to tell you the truth, MGS4 is sold for me already. I don't care if I never hear from it again till it launches. the same goes for FF13, Motor Storm, Lair, etc.
what I do want to know that may be relatively new is how is the online gameplay going? what kind of new modes or features can we expect? what is the communication like? etc.

ShadowVoa, I find it strange that you would compare the comments of a member of an independent dev/publisher to those of one of the main figures of a console maker. that said, Harrison never neglected rumble, IIRC. Sony usually gives the impression that they 'had' to take it out. like it was the price of a bigger feature; motion-sensing.
but that is a different topic.

If MGS4 sells, then its on to the next concept, which i have really wanted to do for a very long time. If it fails, I will probably start writing a letter to announce that i am leaving this company. Thats what i kind of want to do, actually. [Kojima pauses] Thats a joke...
I think some of us didn't quite understand that. keep in mind this is translated between Jap. and Eng. since Kojima doesn't conduct interviews in English.
what I gathered from his comment that he would quite if the game isn't a success is that he gives an idea of how he is personally committed to the project. that if it fails, he would consider he, himself, failed.
also keep in mind that quitting your job after a major project fails isn't strange in Japan- or many parts of the world for that matter.

now, what I, and the rest of the world, really want to know is when can we wake up in the morning, log-in to our PS3 accounts and see a downloadable playble demo of MGS4?!

[julps31]

Man MGS has never failed to entertain...so i can't even imagine what this one will be like. With the power of the PS3 and this supposedly being Kojimas last MGS game. He'll probably pull out all the stops and even more classic characters (thats a given).

And i'm excited to see what the different locales are..i was expecting it to take place all in the middle eastern locale. But three different locales and changes of scenary? *drools* I can't wait lol.

[curryking1]

^Same man, I really want to check out this South America, that should look amazing, with all the forestry and greenery (assuming they do have lots of it, and hopefully they will, SA is covered with lush forests). Looking at what they pulled on the PS2, a PS3 pumping out an environment like that should look insane!

[Luis]

Important posts at the turn of the page!

[Luis]

I'm posting this here because it's certainly related to MGS4. I'm posting this in the PSP board as well:

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_features.php?id=875


MPO Contest, Hosted by Kojima Productions & MGS:TUS
posted by Otacon, read: 1285 times

Win some exciting prizes straight from Kojima Productions



http://www.metalgearsolid.org/admin/data/upimages/uploaded/mpocontestbanner.jpg


Ready for another trip back to the age of raw espionage and cold war?
Well you better be because Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops comes out December, 5th in NTSC regions!
To celebrate this release TUS and Ryan Payton from Kojima Productions have teamed up to bring you some exciting prizes for this contest.


http://www.metalgearsolid.org/admin/data/upimages/uploaded/mpocontestpics.jpg


To make this contest short and simple we decided to just randomly choose eight entries out of all the contestants who submitted the form below. Out of the eight contestants we will choose three contestants with the best answers to receive the grand prizes and the other five will get the runner up prizes.



We have some terrific prizes to give away which includes:



http://www.metalgearsolid.org/admin/data/upimages/uploaded/mpocontest_px3.jpg


http://www.metalgearsolid.org/admin/data/upimages/uploaded/mpocontest_px5.jpg


Few ground rules regarding the contest:
1. Make only entry, repeated submissions will get disqualified and filtered out of the random drawing.
2. Make sure your name, address and email is correct. Wrong information might lead to the prize not being mailed if you end up winning.
3. Make sure your answers don't contain excessive profanity or any other vulgar words. Make the answers "PG-13".

So take some time to send us an email and enter the random drawing. Everyone who enters will get the chance to download some high resolution artwork!


The last day to enter the contest is December 8th, 2006



Submit e-mail at: mpocontest@metalgearsolid.org with the following info:

- First Name
- Last Name
- Address
- City
- State/Region
- Postal Code
- Country


Answer the questions below if you want the chance to win the grand prize

[1] Ever since the creation of Kojima Productions and addition of the new International Manager (Ryan Payton) us NTSC fans have been getting some great pre-order extras. With MGS3:S we got a great MG series recap DVD under the name of Metal Gear Saga Volume 1. With MGA2 we got a one of a kind art cell and now with MPO we are getting a nice PSP case. With all this in mind, what do you think will be a good pre-order extra for Metal Gear Solid 4?

[2] One of the biggest topics under contestant discussion in MGS fan communities is the possibility of seeing remakes for Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. In your opinion do you think a remake of these games should be made or not? If yes what console system would you like these games made for?

[3] What do you think is the biggest flaw in Metal Gear Solid series that is yet to be addressed or fixed? How would you fix this problem?

[4] After working on Metal Gear series for over 20 years Hideo Kojima has repeatedly said he wants to move on and work on different games. When he does finally "move on" what type of game do you want him to work on and what console system do you want to see it on?


Note: All questions are created by MGS: The Unofficial Site. This is not official survey, arranged by Kojima Productions. TUS is not handling the distribution of the prizes. Kojima Productions will be directly sending the winners their prize.

[Luis]

Scans of Kojima's interview from OPM:


http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6476/mgs4interview1dr2.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs4interview1dr2.jpg) http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/716/mgs4interview2bb8.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs4interview2bb8.jpg)

[Kensaki]

That was a interesting interview... I wonder what he meant with future project? *crosses fingers and toes for it to be Z.O.E3*

Anyhow +rep to you VG. :)

[Z]

Great VG! thanks for the heads up, man. :)

[Z]

okay, I send it in and I got this reply:

Thank you for entering this contest, we will announce the winners shortly after December 8th.


Here is the promised artwork:


(click on the link)


http://metalgearsolid.org/MGSPO_from_metalgearsolid_dot_org.jpg


Cya!


MGS:TUS Staff

PS. I couldn't access that link for some reason. could somebody please post that image here (or give another link to it if it is too big?)
thanks. :)

[Luis]

PS. I couldn't access that link for some reason. could somebody please post that image here (or give another link to it if it is too big?)
thanks. :):thumbr: :thumbl:


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7820/mgspofrommetalgearsolidcm9.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgspofrommetalgearsolidcm9.jpg)

[antuk15]

I could'nt give a shit about scans, i want the god damn TGS video in HD direct feed for god sake, we have waited long enough.

[Nameless]

^ Since the game is still early in development I think team Kojima decided not to release an HD direct feed trailer, because I'm sure the textures would receive a lot of unfair scrutiny.

[Z]

thanks VG, but I am still blind as a bat (typing using ultra-sound).

I can only view extremely limited image hosters. I can view http://xs.to/ just fine, though. *hint.hint* :3eye:


sorry to be a nuisance.

[julps31]

Thanks for posting the scans VG. +rep

@ Nameless...I don't know about that. From what i've seen from the low quality trailers the textures look great. And thats just from the cam/low quality direct feeds. Even though i know trailers are never a good measure of quality. They can only look better then what we see.

[Luis]

thanks VG, but I am still blind as a bat (typing using ultra-sound).

I can only view extremely limited image hosters. I can view http://xs.to/ just fine, though. *hint.hint* :3eye:


sorry to be a nuisance.*cough* (http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06476/MGSPO_from_metalgearsolid_dot_org.jpg) ;)


^ Since the game is still early in development I think team Kojima decided not to release an HD direct feed trailer, because I'm sure the textures would receive a lot of unfair scrutiny.Yeah, I agree. There's a pretty good version in the TGS archive, even though it's a bit too bright.

By the way, can anyone elaborate on how textures can be improved later on? Is it so early now that they're still not using the final ones?


Thanks for posting the scans VG. +rep

@ Nameless...I don't know about that. From what i've seen from the low quality trailers the textures look great. And thats just from the cam/low quality direct feeds. Even though i know trailers are never a good measure of quality. They can only look better then what we see.I think when seen at a proper distance, everything looks great. But people will just complain about anything and mostly about the bad ground textures (has anyone ever seen any game with excellent ground textures all the time anyway?).

[Z]

thanks VG. I feel spoiled. ;p

well, the wallpaper is better than I thought. I thought I'll get something we saw in a mag a while back, but this is new. it feels like on of those good fan-made wallpapers. :)

[cliffbo]

don't know if this has been posted from www.magicbox.com :


- Hideo Kojima revealed some new tidbits on Metal Gear Solid 4:

* Player can choose to strike on either sides (nation A or B), or even destroy both.
* Player can choose to ally with either side or not at all
* Player has the freedom to shoot at any soldiers / enemies in the field, like in a first person shooter
* In MGS4 you're either in sight or out of sight in the battlefield.
* In the past you can hide yourself or enemy bodies, but now Snake doesn't need to hide -- with the OctoCam (camouflage) system, Snake deceives the enemies and make himself hardly visible by enemies in battles
* In one of the new trailer, Snake appears much younger later in the story after injected a potion, Kojima inserted this scene to make players think about it.
* The Gekkos (cyborg Metal Gears) will sometimes spot you as enemy, sometimes you can walk past them, depending which nation you are parted with at the moment.
* The game will support Sixaxis' movement sensitivity function
* The control will be less complex than MGS3, you'll have more direct control in MGS4
* Snake can control the Metal Gear MKII Robot which accompanies him
* The story will take place in middle east, South America and Eastern Europe


The Gekkos (cyborg Metal Gears) will sometimes spot you as enemy, sometimes you can walk past them, depending which nation you are parted with at the moment.

maybe there are portions of the game that you will not be able to pass through until you have proved your allegiance to one side or another.

* The game will support Sixaxis' movement sensitivity function

can't wait for this one...


* Snake can control the Metal Gear MKII Robot which accompanies him

some PSP connectivity?

[Nameless]

By the way, can anyone elaborate on how textures can be improved later on? Is it so early now that they're still not using the final ones?

VG, I would assume once the engine is solid they would start using finalized textures. In the early stages of developement I think Kojima used some PS2 assets to create part of the trailers. I'm sure all of the "placeholder textures" will be swapped and the engine will be optimized. (Also, they will shoot for 1080P, but if they can't get the engine optimized enough it will be dumped...)

CPI can provide a more detailed explanation or keep me honest... ;)

[Luis]

VG, I would assume once the engine is solid they would start using finalized textures. In the early stages of developement I think Kojima used some PS2 assets to create part of the trailers. I'm sure all of the "placeholder textures" will be swapped and the engine will be optimized. (Also, they will shoot for 1080P, but if they can't get the engine optimized enough it will be dumped...)

CPI can provide a more detailed explanation or keep me honest... ;)Looking forward to reading satisfactory explanations, but thanks for that :)

Slightly off-topic, but here you have some stuff from ebay:
(http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpyhod000)


http://asdkmmt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tgs2006_mgs_2.JPG

http://asdkmmt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tgs2006_mgs_3.jpg

http://asdkmmt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ration_mgs2s_2.jpg

http://i5.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/79/72/08e1_1.JPG

Yes, that's right: MGS wine :dur:

[Z]

drink it, and you can dance like Cyborg Ninja!

[curryking1]

http://asdkmmt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tgs2006_mgs_2.JPG

Holy crap, I need a poster like that sooooo badly.t

But anyways, off topic.

I, finally, decided to play through MGS1. This is after 5 years from my first taste of MGS with MGS2, I finally did myself a good favour and actually played the first one.

All I want to say is, MGS is the pinnacle of storytelling and presentation through the medium of videogames that you could've gotten in the PS2/N64 era, and possibly through until even now. I might even go as far to say it is above MGS2 and 3 by keeping you off your feet the whole time, and you know what, I think I do believe that.

The gameplay is 5 star, but with a few frustrating points, but there are other awesome playing games from that gen, but nothing, nothing from that gen even comes close to the artistic and movie-like presentation of Metal Gear Solid.

I am blown away, honestly, that was the most ridiculously amazing 9 hours of gaming I have ever had, bar none (I watched the cutscenes, and codecs, and did a reasonable amount of backtracking for rations and ammo).

How, on the PS1, everything in that game is so seamlessly integrated into one product, how every detail keeps you wanting to know more, how every method and resulting advance in the story is more suprising, intelligent, masterfully executed, I will never ever know.

Everything is amazing. The dialogue, the voice acting, the story, the action, the characters. Seriously, other than the fact that you are playing a game, this thing unfolds like a freaking action movie!

MGS is truly the best action game I think ever. It honestly feels like a frigging action movie with the CODEC voice overs, location specific camera angles, and awesome cutscenes and story. The story unfolded over 2 animated faces half the time, but it was more captivating each time than almost any other scene I can think of in gaming ever!! It's so intense when it wants to be, cool when it tries to be, and funny when it needs to be! WTF how did I miss this!!!!

The fact that it is short I honestly think aids the game. The actual time that the game takes place is under half a day, and the gameplay with watching the stuff is that same time. The story unfolds quickly and in good pace, with so many key and memorable moments, just wow, like what the hell, it's just amazing.

Honestly, MGS1 = Holy fuck... I can't explain how good this game is! My words are not doing it, I don't feel they are! lol!! Everyone who hasn't played this game, please please please please please please play it.

P.S.

Peculiarly, MGS makes me want to play MGS2 more than MGS3... I probably should add I think of the Tanker Chapter from MGS2 more than anything else after playing MGS though. It might have to do with the fact that you are using Solid Snake and that the Tanker environment shares so many aesthetic qualities with the whole Shadow Moses architecture, blue tinting, other cold colouring, and other stuff I guess.

[Z]

damn you Curry! you just woken up the MGS crazed freak inside of after I spent sooo damn long trying to put a leash to it!

now I'm back to a MGS anticipation wreck. luck for you, I'll be getting a MAJOR fix in about 8 days in the form of Portable Ops. damn 07 is too long!

[cliffbo]

i never finished MGS1... damn where can i get it from?

[Sephiroth_VII]

amazon.co.uk or eBay. That's where I got my copy.

Here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Konami-Metal-Gear-Solid-Platinum/dp/B00004UBSF/sr=8-2/qid=1164576435/ref=pd_ka_2/203-1996326-3711100?ie=UTF8&s=videogames)

[Old_Timer!]

LoL so that's what's in those ration canistors.... Kojima is definitely like no other

[julps31]

But anyways, off topic.

I, finally, decided to play through MGS1. This is after 5 years from my first taste of MGS with MGS2, I finally did myself a good favour and actually played the first one.

All I want to say is, MGS is the pinnacle of storytelling and presentation through the medium of videogames that you could've gotten in the PS2/N64 era, and possibly through until even now. I might even go as far to say it is above MGS2 and 3 by keeping you off your feet the whole time, and you know what, I think I do believe that.

The gameplay is 5 star, but with a few frustrating points, but there are other awesome playing games from that gen, but nothing, nothing from that gen even comes close to the artistic and movie-like presentation of Metal Gear Solid.

I am blown away, honestly, that was the most ridiculously amazing 9 hours of gaming I have ever had, bar none (I watched the cutscenes, and codecs, and did a reasonable amount of backtracking for rations and ammo).

How, on the PS1, everything in that game is so seamlessly integrated into one product, how every detail keeps you wanting to know more, how every method and resulting advance in the story is more suprising, intelligent, masterfully executed, I will never ever know.

Everything is amazing. The dialogue, the voice acting, the story, the action, the characters. Seriously, other than the fact that you are playing a game, this thing unfolds like a freaking action movie!Lol your just now experiencing the magic that is MGS1 huh. I loveeed that game. Still my favorite game of all time. MGS3 was great but took a lil to long to pick up in terms of action. So when you replay it gets a tedious starting from the begining. MGS 2 was good and had a lot of classic moments but neither could beat MGS1. In my book the ratings would be as follows:

MGS1=10
MGS2=9
MGS3=9.5

Now where will MGS4 rank? Hmm lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I spent an evening last week just watching the original MGS demo theater straight through. fell in love all over again ;_;
So awesome.

[OmniStalgic]

LOL...I love when some1 experiences the greatness of Metal Gear Solid. Yes...Yes..and Yes...You'll never know why it's so great..it just is! Definitely up there with Zelda. I don't know how these guys do it...but with ever game, it's just keeps getting better and better. Nothing beats the original though...

[masteratt]

Sorry guys (for not re-reading the thread) but when is this game due out?

I 'have' to know to see if my "Wait until a MGS4 + PS3 bundle" plan will work.

Let's stop the crazy comparisons to other games (even Zelda). MGS is just MGS, there is nothing to compare it to.
I literally got pissed off (perhaps for the first time on the internet) when people were comparing MGS to Gears Of War!!!! :mad:

The only game you can compare MGS is to other MGSs. And since we are ranking them, here goes my list (predictable):
MGS1-100% magical throughout.
MGS3- Slow start and then the genius intro kicks in and a pretty enjoyable ride throughout with an AWESOME ending.
MGS2- Felt a bit dodgy by MGS standards, didn't enjoy the plot/setting that much.

[OmniStalgic]

^Not comparing the games MasterRatt...just comparing the feeling you get after playing them mate...

MGS:PO is December 5...Lazy...

[masteratt]

lol, still comparing man...wth.
Also why is everyone keep on changing my name to MasterRatt? Three people did that and they all do it MasterRatt...Is there a character that I haven't heard of with the name 'MasterRatt'? lol

Thanks for the MGS: PO release date, what is the speculated release for MGS4?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I love 3 the best, but the first one is just barely 2nd. MGS2 is third overall. But it's hard for me, because all the things people hate mgs2 for, or count as flaws, are things the game does on purpose, that people just don't get.
I could go on about it here and the post modern approach to story telling but it's all blah blah blah.

[Zer0-Sum]

I know it is super old school, but would it not be kool if Kojima re-made the first original MetalGear from the NES days for PS3? It is a crazy idea, but that is Snakes first mission. I was addicted to that game when I was about 12 years old. I would love for the story to be given up dated graphics and gameplay. never gonna happen though. Maybe for PSP.....

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Dude I've always hoped that they'd remake the first 2 games for today. I think that'd be awesome. I wasn't even old enough to know about those games when they first came out anyway.

[Nameless]

I know it is super old school, but would it not be kool if Kojima re-made the first original MetalGear from the NES days for PS3? It is a crazy idea, but that is Snakes first mission. I was addicted to that game when I was about 12 years old. I would love for the story to be given up dated graphics and gameplay. never gonna happen though. Maybe for PSP.....

Great idea! :clap:

I hope someone from team Kojima is reading... ;)

[julps31]

I remember having Metal Gear for the nes. I just didn't really know what i was back then. I just remember being with my mom at a shopping store and they had some games for cheap. But i never played it because something was wrong with it. It was so long ago i'm not even sure what was wrong with. I had to be like 5 or somethin lol.

But one of my favorite parts of the origanal MGS was when Merril was in disguise had the riffle in snakes face...and told her she was a rookie lol. Classic. Thats one of those "snakes a bad ass moments".

[LaLiLuLeLo]

hahah yes! He's like, you got a gun pointed at me and I don't even give a damn, cuz I'm Snake! Bitch!

[Zer0-Sum]

Dude I've always hoped that they'd remake the first 2 games for today. I think that'd be awesome. I wasn't even old enough to know about those games when they first came out anyway.

I am 31 now. I remember buying the original Metroid, Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy all when they came out. Give it up to Nintendo power magazine. i must have been one of the first people I knew that got it. Oh those super old school days. We should e-mail bomb Kojima asking him to remake the first two Metal gear games.

Yah, might as well hope for SE to remake FF7 for us, right?

[Maya 5.0]

I know it is super old school, but would it not be kool if Kojima re-made the first original MetalGear from the NES days for PS3? It is a crazy idea, but that is Snakes first mission. I was addicted to that game when I was about 12 years old. I would love for the story to be given up dated graphics and gameplay. never gonna happen though. Maybe for PSP.....

That's what i have been saying for so long.There is so much potential in those first games that it would be a big shame if people could not play an up to date version.Imagine a young Solidsnake and grayfox,not to mention BigBoss.

[Maya 5.0]

We should e-mail bomb Kojima asking him to remake the first two Metal gear games.

That's a good idea.Enough support behind this and it could give him ideas.

[solidsnakejej]

But they have to make ZOE3 first before he does that.

[julps31]

Yea i don't know how comfortable Kojima would be with doing a remake tho sense he seems ready to move on from the MGS series and make some new classics lol. I really hate to see him move on from MGS but maybe we could have a new MGS (figuratively speaking).

@ LaLi...exaactly lol.

[Z]

I know it is super old school, but would it not be kool if Kojima re-made the first original MetalGear from the NES days for PS3? It is a crazy idea, but that is Snakes first mission. I was addicted to that game when I was about 12 years old. I would love for the story to be given up dated graphics and gameplay. never gonna happen though. Maybe for PSP.....
I actually suggested that in the email I sent a couple of days ago. check out VG's last post with the contest info.
I even suggested they could at least make it into a rather simple remake (PSP quality) and offer it as a downloadable. better than nothing, I say. :)

But they have to make ZOE3 first before he does that.
yeah. told them about that too. ;p

[solidsnakejej]

Yea i don't know how comfortable Kojima would be with doing a remake tho sense he seems ready to move on from the MGS series and make some new classics lol. I really hate to see him move on from MGS but maybe we could have a new MGS (figuratively speaking).

The MGS series most likely will continue in a similar fashion as MPO. Ryan Payton said on the last 1up yours podcast that Kojima has a time line for almost every year with at least a sentence of description so I believe we have a few more big boss games to go before it finally ends.

[Smokey]

what i want is MGS,MGS2,MGS3 & MGS4 all on the one blu-ray all in original visuals :)

[julps31]

what i want is MGS,MGS2,MGS3 & MGS4 all on the one blu-ray all in original visuals :)Now theres and idea lol.

MGS: The Collection. Ah ha...patent pending. Blu-ray wont be needed my ass lol.

[curryking1]

what i want is MGS,MGS2,MGS3 & MGS4 all on the one blu-ray all in original visuals :)

That's a fantastic idea! I would buy that for well over 100 dollars for sure. It had better come in s super cool limited edition type packaging though lol.

P.S. I'm patenting The Compilation of Metal Gear Solid lol!

P.P.S. Sorry bout that Z! I just had to express how amazing MGS was! It was just so perfect in almost every regard I can think of. Only my finest nitpicking could I find any faults and there would not be many faults to find, I can guarantee that. MGS4, I have somehow vastly increased attention for you... thanks for the rep btw lol!

[LiquidEagle]

In my e-mail for suggestions I asked for a "Document of MGS4" to be considered :-D

[curryking1]

Does anyone else think they need to make Meryl and Naomi 'hotter?'

They don't look nearly as attractive as their MGS1 CODEC cartoon counterparts, or at least, I don't think so. I thought Naomi in the MGS4 trailer was actually pretty ugly (her Japanese voiceover is very unattractive btw) and it's a shame because her CODEC face in MGS1 was very good looking and she had a very nice feminine voice with almost what I would think is a slighy English/European undertone.

Meryl's look is actually pretty good though, she looks feminine with the face and masculin with the movements and voice, so actually, her appearance is not bad.

Otacon is EXACTLY how I think he should look like though, I think they have done his face perfectly. Snake's is expectedly very well done too. I think Colonel's needs a bit more 'American' in his face, I don't think it's blocky enough, but maybe because he is getting older that his face is becoming rounder.

And Ocelot, well he's just badass, and his looks are only a 5th of the reason he is badass, but he looks good too lol.

P.S. How awesome is the "In the Darkness of Shadow Moses: The Unofficial Truth' book in the MGS2 extras?

Also the one with the insane editor who thinks he made contact with aliens, his book is hilarious to read.

Funny parts I can think of just off my head right now are the part where he abandons his friend after finding him tied up and his explanation given for it, and also the part where he yells over the phone and complains the other person is being rude.

The ending of that book, the editor's note, was pretty suspenseful too btw.

The 300 'page' Romanenko book is intense to read though, good stuff.

P.P.S. I just used google to find yahoo. I thought it was funny and wanted to add that hahaha!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

they look good/correct enough to me. I'm not like...let down. I accept those faces as meryl and naomi, and I think they're just fine.

[julps31]

Lol i see playing MGS1 sparked a new love for the series Curry. I love Meryls character model in MGS4. I can't really see where they wouold need to change in her model. Naomi's is kinda plain i guess but didn't really think about it. This threads got me wantin to play some MGS lol.

[LiquidEagle]

I think Meryl's looks really good. Her face looks a lot like I'd imagine a slightly-aged Meryl to look, not to mention her poses & stuff look very Meryl-ish too. Naomi looks pretty different, but I think she looks just fine. She might end up looking a little different though, just like Ocelot looked different in MGS2 than he did in the E3 2000 trailer.

[curryking1]

^Ya I think I just preferred the look in MGS1. I don't particularly like the character model appearance of Naomi in MGS4. Her face is not 'pretty' like it was in MGS1 to me.

Trust me though, I am hardly let down. I was just wondering what others thought about it too you know? lol. When I actually get the game, I will totally forget about anything I thought about how the characters look.

I never saw the MGS2 2000 trailer. I only started on MGS because of the demo that came along when I rented ZOE lol!

@Julps - hahaha, it really did eh? I actually played through Substance 5 times again.... I had to get all the dog tags on all the modes. I have the PC ver, and I couldn't find a save file with all the dog tags on the internet (I prev. already did this in MGS2 original for the PS2) so I had to do it again... Now I can beat Tanker in 13 min on European Extreme lol!

It was a combination of MGS1 and 2 that made me do this lol. Actually, ya, MGS1 sparked it again, and MGS2: Substance has been keeping me there haha. Substance PC looks very sexy btw. Still not as good looking as MGS3 though even with such high rez and stuff, because MGS3 had all the awesome effects and beautiful character models and environments. If they made an MGS3 for PC (which is not happening lol) that would look soooo good.

Great thing about PC ver = no lag on my comp. That part in Tanker with the 100+ marines in each compartment = no lag, even when you kick them around and they all knock into each other, good times good times lol!

[Luis]

^Ya I think I just preferred the look in MGS1. I don't particularly like the character model appearance of Naomi in MGS4. Her face is not 'pretty' like it was in MGS1 to me.I actually think her face is too pretty. She's very much like an anime character with such a flawless face. All characters seem to have a fairly detailed face but her. My favourite one so far is Liquid Ocelot's because of... everything.

Meryl looks nice, even though she has the most unnatural hair :laugh: I can see why though.


I never saw the MGS2 2000 trailer. I only started on MGS because of the demo that came along when I rented ZOE lol!That trailer is a must watch. Back then, it featured so many unseen things technically that it blew everyone away. If you have Substance, check The Document Of MGS2, it's there.

By the way, remember that Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops will be on sale in the US next Tuesday. Here's the official site (http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mpo/top-us.html) and one of the latest threads about it (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62213) in the PSP board.

[Z]

I think all of the faces are spot on expect for the colonel's.
I don't know what exactly do you mean by 'more feminine', but if that means having them more physically attractive and eluding suggestive thoughts ( in other words 'sexy', though I hate using that word for many reasons. heck, this might be the first time I typed it. run a word check.) I whole heartedly disagree. I disagree since the context of what MGS is about- at least for me- goes against anything like that. having female characters looking like whores makes me totally lose any respect or serious regard to the whole game/movie world. that is why I hated how Eva had a zipper open in MGS3 from her neck till her knees. I never even thought of here as a main character. on a totally opposite side, look at how I regard The Boss. I loved Fortune for what she represented and what she did, but having here ware a swimming outfit throughout the whole game hurt her image for me really.

there is room for for that kind of direction in other games or in other context. having a game dealing with world domination, dark future, mass-destruction, coiled plots and more twists than a drunk cowboy with a lasso featuring such themes doesn't actually help the whole atmosphere being more convincing or effective- at least not for me.


sorry if I missed your whole point. I did feel like mentioning this anyway. :)

[curryking1]

Document of MGS2 eh? lol! I didn't know, I'll definitely check it out. How funny is the demo theatre in MGS2 though? I watched Rose kick the crap out of a bunch of Metal Gear Rays, funny stuff hahaha. "Stupid machines" lol!

Meryl's hair is awesome, it's like a jungle lol, all over the place haha.

Ah man, I don't want to know more about MGS PO. I'm never gonna have a PSP. I just want to know the storyline lol, because anything else will make me want to get a PSP so badly and I can't get one lol....

@Z

Lol! I don't mean I want the female characters to be overly good looking. I like Meryl's look actually, but I don't find it attractive. I just think Naomi should be more attractive because I felt that was a part of her character. Her voice in MGS1 sounded of a woman who should be very good looking with the slight english undertone, at least that's what I thought.

I just preferred her overall appearance and voice in MGS1 over the appearance in the MGS4 trailer and the Japanese voiceover (although that's an odd comparison to make, I want to hear what she sounds like in English for MGS4). I dunno, I just thought of Naomi as a character should be good looking partly because that's how she was in MGS1 and I just feel it's a significant part of her character. Aesthetics are very important in movies and stuff, that the character's appearance should match their voice and personality, so that's why I thought that.

Like Otacon is pretty unnattractive, but his personality pretty much perfectly matches his character and voice. Same with Liquid Ocelot, and now I think Meryl's appearance and voice fit her character perfectly as well.

I am not at all for having a scantily clad ladies for other characters or Victoria's Secret models for female main characters, just specifically for Naomi, I thought her appearance and voice in MGS1 perfectly fit her personality. I'm glad you mentioned it, I don't want you to think that is what I thought lol!

I honestly would put english undertone (kind of like someone who grads from a high class university, say like Oxford), female, geneticist, and good looking all together.

To me, that screams of a person that is truly on a mission for themselves. Talk about being good looking, but going against the flow of women being sex toys (see: Beverly Hills), becoming an intellectual and it goes well with her character of being on the mission and having such a strong ulterior motive to working as a geneticist for Foxhound, to solely use her intelligence to kill Snake with Foxdie.

I don't even know if this is why I think she should look like she did in MGS1 though. Maybe it might be because beauty and vengeance go together, and that's the reason she looked like she did in MGS1. Something makes me think though that her MGS1 image is how she should look, and the reason might be totally different from what I explained.

[Luis]

I agree with you Z, but Eva wasn't like that all the time. Actually, her role consisted in being sexy most of the time she appeared in the game, so that's fine by me.

Anyway, The Boss is the single best female character ever in the history of videogames. Eat that, Lara.

[curryking1]

Aeris and Tifa > all. But that might be an affectionate thing for me, because I simply am in love with the story of FF VII. I love delving into that game's storyline, it's just so awesome.

The Boss is pretty frigging cool too. Sacrificed everything for her country. I wonder how her philosophy will affect how Big Boss thinks soon after MGS3... hmmmmmm... lol!

I was also fine with EVA being a half stripper lol! There was a reason behind it, and it honestly made me not expect her to be what she revealed at the end.

Fortune, I hated Fortune. The main reason was her appearance. I agree Z, it was totally unecessary for her to wear a swimsuit 24/7. Her appearance made zero sense to me as well.

[Luis]

The Boss is pretty frigging cool too. Sacrificed everything for her country.Huh??? Play MGS3 again. She didn't favour any particular country. She wanted the world to be one with no east and west. She saved the world!!! ("In memory of a Patriot who saved the world" - 192x - 1964)

[curryking1]

It's been a while since I have been able to touch MGS3... *cries* I thought Eva said she sacrificed everything for her country, but it could just be that my memory is very mixed up lol!

[solidsnakejej]

Yea she sacrificed herself for here country so that Russia wouldn't fire a nuke at the US. Remember Khrushchev wanted the US to prove it's innocence by killing The Boss. Here's the exact line from the game script (http://dw.com.com/redir?asid=0&astid=8&siteid=19&edid=107&destCat=34684&destURL=http%3A%2F%2Fdb.gamefaqs.com%2Fconsole%2Fp s2%2Ffile%2Fmetal_gear_solid_3_script.txt) of at Gamefaqs.


Eva: Snake, history will never know what she did. No one will ever learn the
truth. Her story... her debriefing... will endure only in your heart.
Everything she did, she did for her country. She sacrificed her life and her
honor for her native land. She was a real hero.

[curryking1]

Ya, that's what I thought, but I guess in the right context it's more like she did it for her country and the world at the same time, because she actually saved the whole world by completing her mission. It wouldn't say 'saved the world' on her grave for nothing like VG pointed out.

[Luis]

By avoiding Russia to counterattack because of the nuke they thought the US had launched, she effectively saved her country, but of course that implies much more than that because she prevented the Cold War from becoming a full-blown war. She avoided WWIII. Therefore, she saved the world.

[curryking1]

I would definitely agree lol, avoiding a nuclear war = saving the world in my book lol. Stopped the '...cold war from becoming a blazing hot one.'

Here's a quote by the boss... why she fights...

"Why? To make the world one again. The world used to be whole."

EDIT: God dammit, you made me start reading part of the MGS3 script. Now I'm wondering who Boss' child is... Born in 1944...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think I know what you mean, curryking1, Naomi in MGS4 looks fine, but it is different from her codec face in MGS1, so it's not necessarily bad, it's just jarring to the eye, I think that's what you're saying? If so I can totally see it/agree. I like it just fine but it's a wee bit in consistent. Not that it matters though.

[Luis]

EDIT: God dammit, you made me start reading part of the MGS3 script. Now I'm wondering who Boss' child is... Born in 1944...Man, were you paying attention when you played??? Are you serious anyway? :huh:

*coughAdamskacough*

[solidsnakejej]

That information was only giving if you called EVA after the Ocelot fight. It was an optional codec. I believe many people missed it. I know I missed it the first play through.

[Luis]

Similar appearance, same gestures, coincidental age, he (arguably) has medium powers seen in MGS2... I think even himself said something about his birth at some point. It's rather obvious even without EVA's revelation.

[³¹¹]

Throughout the game you are able to get clues that Ocelot is the child of The Boss. I think it is Sigint that confirms it, could be wrong.

This is the reason I'll be getting my PS3. And hopefully by then, all the little kinks will be worked out and the power that the PS3 has been preached as having, will hopefully have appeared. But until then, it's just mii and my Wii.

[curryking1]

Man, were you paying attention when you played??? Are you serious anyway? :huh:

*coughAdamskacough*

HOLY SHIT! I knew that!! I swear!! I totally forgot! Seriously, I haven't played it in so long, it's been AT LEAST 4 months since I've been able to play.

:swear: I need my copy of Subsistence back!:swear: I really need to catch up on all the stories in MGS3. I've forgotten a lot of it....

I don't remember how I found out about Adamska being the son though, I don't think it was through that CODEC with Eva. Jeez, I can't remember anything...

@Lalilulelo, ya that's pretty much all I meant. It's just a bit different, so it's in the slightest way a bit weird, but nothing significant.

[Z]

Throughout the game you are able to get clues that Ocelot is the child of The Boss. I think it is Sigint that confirms it, could be wrong.
I refused to believe that till Kojima directly confirmed it in a mag interview.

Adamska
okay, I never heard of that name before. I either completely forgot about it, or I never knew it to start with.

refresh my memory. who is that?

[Smurf]

I refused to believe that till Kojima directly confirmed it in a mag interview.

okay, I never heard of that name before. I either completely forgot about it, or I never knew it to start with.

refresh my memory. who is that?

In the game, there really are clues and even hard proof that Revolver Ocelot is Boss' son. Adamska = Revolver Ocelot.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I read the interview. He did! He hints at it, really. He says, yes the boss and the sorrow had a son. he's in the game, *makes a gun twirling motion with his hands*.
Ocelot is Adamska, or better yet, the original ADAM.
Dunnunahhh!!

[Z]

In the game, there really are clues and even hard proof that Revolver Ocelot is Boss' son. Adamska = Revolver Ocelot.
there were. and as I said, I didn't want to believe.

I read the interview. He did! He hints at it, really. He says, yes the boss and the sorrow had a son. he's in the game, *makes a gun twirling motion with his hands*.
Ocelot is Adamska, or better yet, the original ADAM.
Dunnunahhh!!
Kojima was asked directly in an interview in PSM: "Is ocelot the son of The Boss?"
Kojima said: "Yes."

damn, that is why Ocelot is so cool. you can't help but to be kick ass when your mother is The freakin Boss and your father is The Sorrow and you took tips from Saladin. dang.

though he was very 'green' in MGS3, he was kick-ass in the rest of the games and was untouchable -literally- in MGS2. I am sure he'll be behind everything in 4 as well. I only wish they let him do some crazy stunts and moves and not only let him 'talk' through the whole thing.

[Z]

her is more on Shalashaska from wikipedia:

Other appearances

Ocelot also appears as a boss in the Arena Mode in Metal Gear Acid 2 along with Liquid. His polygonal model is extracted directly from the original Metal Gear Solid.

In the Metal Gear Solid Drama CD series, a character with connections to Revolver Ocelot named Sergei Ivanovich plays a prominent role in the second story arc. He is introduced as a war buddy of Ocelot during his service with the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service. Like Ocelot, Ivanovich is a sadist and spends most of the time torturing Campbell during his captivity. Due to his connections with Ocelot, he is aware of the FOXDIE virus and wishes to produce similar biological weapons.

------
Real name : Adamska

Also known as:ADAM, Shalashaska, Major Ocelot, Crazy Ivan, General Ivan, Liquid Ocelot (dormant personality triggered by Liquid Snake's right arm).

Affiliations: The American Philosophers/CIA and then The Patriots
Has infiltrated FOXHOUND (MGS), the Gurlukovich Mercenaries (MGS2), and the Spetsnaz GRU (MGS3) among other organizations.

I never heard of Ivan before. was int mentioned in the games?

[Luis]

I never heard of Ivan before. was int mentioned in the games?Vulcan Raven called him General Ivan when Solid Snake destroyed the tank.

[Z]

hmm, I don't remember that. thanks for the info, my fellow MGS nut.

*using a lot of "nut" in recent posts. gotta stop*

[curryking1]

Ya VG is right, I was like "General Ivan, arghhh???" And then I was like... oooooooooooo when Ocelot answers. He's the only Russian guy there lol.

Ocelot is too cool for about everyone. He manipulates everyone AND he has like ten names AND he is the son of The Boss. You can't top that unless you're Big Boss or Solid Snake.

[Luis]

hmm, I don't remember that. thanks for the info, my fellow MGS nut.

Raven : Well, Boss. I hope you are happy. He got the card.

Man on Radio: ...We'll play with him a little longer...

Raven : You would be wise not to underestimate him.

Man on Radio: What did you think of him?

Raven : He is just as you said. In battle he is as if possessed by a demon. Much like you. I would expect no less.

(Now Ocelot comes on the radio.)

Ocelot : You see? I told you so. But I will kill him.

Raven : So, General Ivan, I hear he took your hand as well as your dignity.

Ocelot : Watch your tongue, Shaman!

Raven : In the language of the Sioux people, "sioux" means "snake". It is known as an animal to be feared.

Ocelot : Well, Snake is mine now... When I meet him next, I'll take special care of him.

Man on Radio: Not yet... Don't kill him yet...

Raven : He and I will meet again in battle.

Ocelot : Same prediction as always?

Raven : Yes. The raven on my head... it thirsts for his blood.


P.S. Congrats for the 7000th post :-p

[curryking1]

I'm guessing Man on Radio is Liquid lol. I guess they did that for story reasons for people reading the script.

Alright something was bothering me for a while. I'm trying to figure out Young Snake. I think it has A LOT to do with the statue he touches. What statue is that?

Is it a variation of David by Michelangelo (which I looked up, David by Michelangelo is apparently the young David, who is inbetween the time of deciding to fight Goliath, and successively fighting him, which would parallel to Snake being in Shadow Moses before fighting Metal Gear Rex and Liquid, the superior clone).

So did he turn young because that is what the statue represented? Or is that statue a figure of someone else or just no one in particular? Did it even have to do with the fact he touched the statue, or did he make contact with something else while the camera was focused downwards? Maybe it had a lot more to do with the ravens than anything else though.

[Z]

ah, thanks for the input. :)

[OmniStalgic]

I'm guessing Man on Radio is Liquid lol. I guess they did that for story reasons for people reading the script.

Alright something was bothering me for a while. I'm trying to figure out Young Snake. I think it has A LOT to do with the statue he touches. What statue is that?

Is it a variation of David by Michelangelo (which I looked up, David by Michelangelo is apparently the young David, who is inbetween the time of deciding to fight Goliath, and successively fighting him, which would parallel to Snake being in Shadow Moses before fighting Metal Gear Rex and Liquid, the superior clone).

So did he turn young because that is what the statue represented? Or is that statue a figure of someone else or just no one in particular? Did it even have to do with the fact he touched the statue, or did he make contact with something else while the camera was focused downwards? Maybe it had a lot more to do with the ravens than anything else though.My friend...welcome to Metal Gear Solid....

One of my favorite lines..."Les Enfants terrible"

[masonite]

My friend...welcome to Metal Gear Solid....

One of my favorite lines..."Les Enfants terrible"

just saying that makes me want to grow a moustache and wear a beret ;)

[curryking1]

Hey hey hey... hey... I'm no newbie to Metal Gear hahaha. I'm a veteran lol.

[Gaul]

i was totally confused at the end of mgs3 after listening to the conversation after the credits. i basically had no idea what was going on, other than that ocelot was adam, and he tricked everyone somehow.

[curryking1]

^It's called Ocelot is pure ownage and can manipulate everyone because he's so badass.

Lol! But really... uhhh... nevermind that's the only way I can explain it.

Check this out btw! I never did it myself (the tuxedo one), just saw it hahaha. EDIT: Started to pull some out lol.


-The Tuxedo (call The Boss while wearing the Tuxedo)

Boss: Snake...

Snake: What's up, Boss?

Boss: Don't you "what's up" me. Just what do you think you're doing?

Snake: What do you mean?

Boss: "What do I mean"... What is that camouflage you're wearing?

Snake: Oh, this. What do you think?

Boss: Of all the...

Snake: Looks pretty good on me, doesn't it?

Boss: Are you out of your mind? You can't wear that in battle! It's like
saying to the enemy "Hey! Here I am! Shoot me!"

Snake: Well, I'll admit, it is a little on the flashy side...

Boss: Then why don't you...

Snake: But it does look good on me, doesn't it?

Boss: ...

Snake: You don't think so?

Boss: Listen, wise ass! Camouflage isn't going to do jack if it doesn't help
you blend in with your surroundings!

Snake: Well, I think it looks good on me...

Boss: Fine! Wear whatever you want!

Snake: ...I thought you'd like it...


-Naked Snake (call Sigint without a shirt on)

Sigint: Snake, what's up? Why are you naked? I know there's a "NAKED" option
under "UNIFORM" that lets you take off the upper part of your uniform. But
without a shirt on, your camouflage sucks, and your stamina goes down faster.
You don't get any advantages whatsoever.

Snake: Sure there are.

Sigint: Like what?

Snake: It feels good.

Sigint: ...Man, you do whatever you want.

Snake: I will, thanks. Just one question, though.

Sigint: What?

Snake: Is there a way to take off my pants?

Sigint: Say WHAT!?

Snake: My pants, can I...

Sigint: Ah, hell no! This FOX unit is a nut fest!


-Afternoon Tea (call Sigint while wearing Chocolate Chip camo)

Sigint: Ah, you're wearing the chocolate chip pattern.

Snake: Chocolate chip? You mean this camouflage?

Sigint: Yeah.

Snake: I've never heard of a camo pattern called that before...

Sigint: Yeah, I know. I just thought it up right now. The chocolate chip
pattern is probably designed to provide cover in a desert environment. It
should work best against a sandy or rocky background.

Snake: Makes sense. But why'd you call it chocolate chip?

Sigint: 'Cause that's what it reminds me of.

Snake: What?

Sigint: Those little round cookies the major is always snackin' on.

Zero: They're not cookies. They're scones.

Sigint: Major!

Zero: And it's not a snack. It's afternoon tea.

Sigint: Snack, tea, same thing.

Zero: No, it's not! Look here, afternoon tea is a fine old English tradition.

Sigint: Uh oh. Here we go again. Talk to you later, Snake.

Zero: The origins of afternoon tea go back to the Victorian Era. Anna Maria,
the seventh Duchess of Bedford, was...


-The Patriot (call Sigint with the Patriot equipped)

Sigint: Using the Patriot, eh?

Snake: Yeah. It's the same one The Boss was using.

Sigint: Where'd you get it?

Snake: Hmm?

Sigint: I said, where'd you get it?

Snake: Sigint, don't get worked up over the details.

Sigint: ??? Whatever. Anyway, the Patriot is a one-of-a-kind sidearm made
especially for The Boss. It's basically an XM16E1 with the barrel cut short
and the stock taken off. The idea was to create a large pistol that combined
the feel and quick handling of a handgun with the force of a rifle. But with a
barrel that short, the recoil is unbelievable. It's tough to aim, but it more
than makes up for it in firepower. From the looks of it, it's fitted with a
100-round drum magazine... and it never runs out of ammo?

Snake: Never.

Sigint: Why's that?

Snake: Because the internal feed mechanism is shaped like an infinity symbol.

Sigint: Ah, I get it. Yep, that'll give you unlimited ammo.


-Snake is Cute (call Sigint while wearing GA-KO camouflage)

Sigint: Snake, what is that stuff you're wearing?

Snake: I dunno. It's called GA-KO camo, whatever that means...

Para-Medic: What!?

Sigint: Para-Medic...?

Para-Medic: You've never heard of GA-KO?

Snake: Nope.

Sigint: Never.

Para-Medic: You must live in a cave or something.

Sigint: Well, excuse me. By the way, Snake, that outfit is really killing your
Camo Index. Unless you want the enemy to see you, I'd suggest you change your
clothes as...

Para-Medic: Why?

Sigint: Why? Because his Camo Index is...

Para-Medic: Camo Index, shmamo Index.

Sigint: Hold on now...

Para-Medic: He's wearing the GA-KO suit.

Sigint: Why?

Para-Medic: Because it looks cute.

Sigint: Snake, talk some sense into her!

Snake: What's wrong with being cute?

Sigint: ...am I only normal person around here...?


-Inner Peace (call Sigint with a cardboard box equipped)

Sigint: Uh, Snake... What are you doing?

Snake: I'm in a box.

Sigint: A cardboard box? Why are you...?

Snake: I dunno. I was just looking at it and I suddenly got this urge to get
inside. No, not just an urge - more than that. It was my destiny to be here;
in the box.

Sigint: Destiny...?

Snake: Yeah. And then when I put it on, I suddenly got this feeling of inner
peace. I can't put it into words. I feel... safe. Like this is where I was
meant to be. Like I'd found the key to true happiness.

Sigint: ...

Snake: Does any of that make sense?

Sigint: Not even a little.

Snake: You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean.

Sigint: Man, I don't wanna know what you mean! Between you and Para-Medic, is
everyone but me that is hooked up with the Major strange!?

Snake: ...

Sigint: Yeah, well, anyway, I suppose even that dumbass box might make a
decent disguise if you wear it inside a building.


-Snake the Zombie (call Sigint with Zombie face paint equipped)

Sigint: Snake, your face paint, it's...

Snake: I know. It's called zombie.

Sigint: Zombie? What does that mean?

Snake: Beats me.

Para-Medic: Are you serious?

Sigint: Hello, Para-Medic...

Para-Medic: You mean you've never heard of zombies?

Snake: Nope.

Sigint: Never.

Para-Medic: You guys don't know anything. A zombie is a dead body that's been
cursed and brought back to life by a master of black magic. Supposedly, they
revive the dead and use them as slaves. It's also seen as a kind of punishment
- people who commit terrible crimes can be forced to labor even after they're
dead.

Snake: Interesting... How do you know all this stuff?

Para-Medic: I saw it in movies. Like "White Zombie." Never seen it?

Snake: Nope.

Sigint: Can't say I have.

Para-Medic: How about "Plan 9 from Outer Space?"

Snake: No.

Sigint: Missed it.

Para-Medic: You can't just focus on the things you like all the time. You have
to expand your horizons and try new things. You guys need to get out more.

Snake: ...

Sigint: Yeah, well, anyway, that face paint doesn't look all that useful. Go
ahead and wear it if you want but I think you should change to...

Para-Medic: You don't need to change anything.

Sigint: Why not?

Para-Medic: It makes him look awesome.

Sigint: ...

Para-Medic: Doesn't it?

Sigint: Look, arguing isn't going to get us anywhere. Snake, you do whatever
you want.

Para-Medic: It does make you look cool!


Zero: 007 is the biggest thing to come out of England since the Mayflower. I
wouldn't be surprised if they made 20 more of those movies.


-Snake's a Bully (attack Eva and call Sigint)

Sigint: What the hell, man...!!

Para-Medic: I can't believe you!!

Zero: Of all the - I can see now I chose the wrong man for this mission...!


-The Mask (equip the mask and call Tom, during Virtuous Mission)

Tom: Snake, are you wearing that mask again?

Snake: Yeah. For some reason is feels kind of... nostalgic.

Tom: Yeah well... for some reason I don't like it.

Snake: Why not?

Tom: Something about that face just rubs me the wrong way.

Snake: It looks fine to me... but if you hate it that much, why did you give
it to me in the first place?

Tom: Well... that mask was originally created for use in another mission. An
agent was supposed to disguise himself as a Soviet officer and sneak into an
enemy installation. We had it all set to go, but certain circumstances forced
us to abort the mission. With the mission cancelled, the mask was going to be
thrown away... but the guy at the CIA's tech division who created it pitched a
fit...

Snake: Why'd he do that?

Tom: He said it was too good to throw away.

Snake: ...

Tom: According to him, that mask is a revolutionary new design that lets the
wearer blink, something that wasn't possible up until now.

Snake: I'd think you'd want to make the lips move before bothering with the
blinking.

Tom: Yeah, I thought so too, but for some reason he's obsessed with making it
blink...

Snake: Whoever he is, he sounds like a crackpot.

Tom: Mmm. Well, he does good work. But I spend three days a month just dealing
with the complaints we get about him... ah, well, never mind... Anyway, I
decided to put this mask we had in storage to good use by hiding your identity
from the gunship crew.

Snake: I get it... so this mask is based on a model somewhere.

Tom: That's right.

Snake: What do I do if I meet that guy?

Tom: That's not going to be a problem.

Snake: Why not?

Tom: The man the mask is based on is a GRU officer. You're in the KGB's sphere
of influence. Chances are you won't run into him.

Snake: If I do?

Tom: Beat the crap out of him.


-The Placebo (eat a Russian Glowcap and call Para-Medic)

Para-Medic: I see you've found some Russian glowcaps. The Russian glowcap is
kind of luminescent fungus - a mushroom that glows in the dark.

Snake: Why would a mushroom glow in the dark?

Para-Medic: It's bioluminescent, just like a firefly. It uses the so called
luciferin-luciferase reaction. To put it simply, luciferin reacts with
luciferase in the presence of magnesium two plus ions, breaking it down into
oxyluciferin and carbon dioxide. The carbonyl groups in the oxyluciferin are
initially in an electrically excited state. When they return to their base
state, they give off light. Did you get all that?

Snake: Not really.

Para-Medic: Oh.

Snake: I ate one and it recharged my batteries!

Para-Medic: Huh!?

Snake: I thought a mushroom that glows that bright was bound to charge up my
batteries if I ate it. And I was right.

Para-Medic: Y...you're serious...??

Snake: What's wrong?

Para-Medic: N...nothing... Um, Snake, can you excuse me for a second?

Snake: Sure.

Para-Medic: Did you just hear that?

Sigint: Yeah. There's no way eating a bioluminescent mushroom would cause your
batteries to recharge.

Para-Medic: What do you think it means?

Sigint: Beats me... maybe it's all in his mind.

Para-Medic: You mean like a placebo effect?

Sigint: Why not? You've seen how gullible he is.

Para-Medic: I guess there's no harm done. Should we let him keep believing it?

Sigint: Sounds good to me.

Para-Medic: OK, Snake, I'm back. Yes, the Russian glowcap is a glowing
mushroom, so it'll recharge your batteries when you eat it.

Snake: ???


-Gullible Snake (call Para-Medic with the cigar equipped)

Para-Medic: Snake!

Snake: What?

Para-Medic: Are you smoking a cigarette?

Snake: Nope.

Para-Medic: Yes you are.

Snake: It's not a cigarette, it's a cigar.

Para-Medic: Same thing.

Snake: Not at all. In fact, there's a world of difference. There's nothing
quite like the rich smell and mellow flavor of a cigar. And that thick,
luxurious smoke is almost sensual when it...

Para-Medic: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. You know something?

Snake: Probably not, but I don't want to hear it.

Para-Medic: Well, you don't have a choice.

Snake: ...

Para-Medic: Cigarettes are bad for you.

Snake: It's not a cigarette, it's a...

Para-Medic: Quiet, you!

Snake: ...

Para-Medic: Smoking is bad for you. In a recent study, scientists found that
tobacco smoke is full of carcinogenic substances, like nitrosamines. You know
what that means? It means you're going to give yourself lung cancer if you
keep on smoking.

Snake: But that's just what some scientists think, right?

Para-Medic: Oh, give me a break.

Snake: I heard it was just a bunch of hu-hah.

Para-Medic: Do you really believe that?

Snake: Sure.

Para-Medic: God, you're gullible. You ought to read this year's report from
the Surgeon General. It proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that smoking
causes lung cancer. Pretty soon the whole world will know that smoking is bad
for you. Better quit now before it's too late.

Snake: But...

Para-Medic: And don't tell me cigar smoke is harmless because it doesn't go
down into your lungs. It just means the cancer shows up in a different place.

Snake: ...

Para-Medic: Got it?

Snake: Yeah, yeah...

Hahhahaha good times, good times. That's barely any of all the funny stuff too lol!

EDIT: Cool! I just realised they mention the 'Surgeon's General' in MGS2 and 3 lol. It's mentioned in MGS2 by Otacon when he sees Snake at the beginning with cigarettes going thru his inventory (when he's telling him how to use the M9).


-Sneaking Suit (call Sigint with Sneaking Suit equipped)

Sigint: Those are some funky clothes you're wearing.

Snake: Yeah. It's called a sneaking suit.

Sigint: Sneaking Suit? What's that all about?

Snake: I'm not sure, but it looks like what The Boss was wearing...

Sigint: Huh. Well, whatever it is, it's a fine piece of work. The suit
seems to be made of some kind of special bulletproof fiber. Wearing it
should reduce all the damage you take by half. The waterproofing and
heat and moisture insulation are top-notch. Just having it on will
reduce the stamina you burn. It even increases your overall Camo
Index. You got yourself a keeper, Snake.

Snake: Yeah. Maybe we should make it the official uniform of FOX.

This one is cool, because he is actually wearing the Sneaking Suit in MGS PO.

[OmniStalgic]

WHOA-I never did that! I gotta get my MGS3Sub. Back right NOW!

Who knows who said this....

"If you make it back in one piece...maybe I'll let you do a strip-search on me..."

[curryking1]

NAOMI HUNTER MGS1!!!

Ok just two more!!!


-I Can't Smell (call The Boss during Virtuous Mission)

Boss: If you want to survive in the jungle, you're going to need to hone all
of your senses. An unnatural movement in the undergrowth, a tiny shadow
peeking out through the trees in the distance - always keep an eye out for any
signs of the enemy's presence. Your sense of hearing is equally important.
Visibility is poor in the jungle, so you've got to learn to pick up the
enemy's presence from the sounds you hear around you. Always be listening
for that one snap of a twig among the chirping of the birds and the babbling
of the brooks. Your sense of smell is also important. Body odor, sweat,
gunpowder, food... these faint smells wafting in the wind will tell you where
the enemy...

Snake: Uh, no.

Boss: No?

Snake: I can't smell.

Boss: You... what now?

Snake: I can't smell.

Boss: Not at all?

Snake: Nope.

Boss: Not even a little bit?

Snake: Not a thing.

Boss: Oh... well, then, you'll just have to trust in your instincts as a
gamer.



-Quack (call Para-Medic during Virtuous Mission)

Snake: Para-Medic.

Para-Medic: What's up?

Snake: Are you a medic, or a doctor?

Para-Medic: I'm a well-respected physician. Or I was, until I joined the CIA.

Snake: How was your reputation?

Para-Medic: My what?

Snake: Your reputation.

Para-Medic: Oh, that.

Snake: How was it?

Para-Medic: Why? Don't you trust me?

Snake: That's not what I meant.

Para-Medic: Fine, then.

Snake: Mm-hmm... So?

Para-Medic: So what?

Snake: Your reputation - how was it?

Para-Medic: My! You're relentless!

Snake: Hey, I'm a snake. So?

Para-Medic: My reputation was spotless. I'm highly skilled, patient, and good-
looking to boot. Everybody wanted to see me. What else would you expect?

Snake: ...

Para-Medic: No, seriously.

Zero: Incidentally, her nickname back then was "Quack."

Para-Medic: Major!

Snake: ...Is that true?

Para-Medic: Mm? Is what true?

Snake: About your nickname.

Para-Medic: No! ...Well, maybe a few people did call me that...

Snake: So you were a quack?

Para-Medic: No! ...Well, yes and no. I mean, in a sense I was, but then again
I wasn't...

Snake: ???

Zero: Snake, her skills as a doctor are beyond reproach. You have my word on
that.

Para-Medic: Yes! That's exactly what I was trying to say, Snake.

Snake: Then why did they call her "Quack"?

Zero: It's because she...

Para-Medic: Never mind that! It doesn't matter. We've got a job to do, and we
have to stay focused. Besides, my past doesn't have anything to do with the
mission and...

Snake: Because she never shuts up?

Zero: Yes, that's it.

Para-Medic: No, that's not it! Snake, tell him that's not true!

Snake: ...

Para-Medic: Say something!

Snake: I'd better get back to the mission.

Zero: Yes, you do that.

Para-Medic: Just a minute! Snake! Don't you hang up on me!

If you guys want more, go here... in the extra dialogues section.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/metal_gear_solid_3_script.txt

Did I leave any left to read? This is MGS3, of course I did, there's tons of this stuff!

OMG last one this one was just awesome hahaha!


-UMA (call Para-Medic when you reach Graniny Gorki South)

Para-Medic: Snake, there's supposed to be a tsuchinoko in that area.

Snake: Tsuchinoko?

Para-Medic: You've never heard of it? It's a mysterious snake that's found all
over Japan.

Snake: If it lives all over Japan, then why is it so mysterious?

Para-Medic: Many people have seen them, but no one's ever caught one. If you
do manage to catch one, it'll be a major historic discovery. I think you
should look for it!

Snake: If I have time. So what kind of snake is this "tsuchinoko?"

Para-Medic: The body is about as tick as a beer bottle, and the tail tapers
off to a point. It doesn't slither around like other snakes, but rather goes
in a straight line like an inchworm. Sometimes it even jumps several yards at
a time. It's got sinister looking eyes, and it can even blink and move its
eyes around. It's also been known to snore, cry, and stand straight up on its
tail.

Snake: And this is an actual snake?

Para-Medic: Of course.

Snake: Uh huh. Then how come you seem to know so much about them? Is it in
that guide of yours?

Para-Medic: No.

Snake: Then maybe you saw it in a movie, like "Curse of the 50-Foot
Tsuchinoko" or something.

Para-Medic: There's no such movie. I heard about it from Sigint.

Snake: Sigint?

Para-Medic: He's an expert on UMAs.

Snake: UMAs?

Para-Medic: Unidentified Mysterious Animals, dummy.

Snake: Oh, excuse my ignorance... Why does he know so much about them?

Para-Medic: Probably because he likes them. At the CIA, he was the vice
president of an unofficial group called the "UMA Watcher Club."

Snake: The UMA Watcher Club?

Para-Medic: Yeah. Just the other day he was working on a newsletter at his
desk.

Snake: At the office? How does he get away with that...?

Para-Medic: Well, the major is the chairman of the club.

Snake: ...

[curryking1]

Ok, I swear, only 2 more....


-The Other Side (call Zero after defeating The Sorrow)

Zero: Snake.

Snake: ...

Zero: Snake!

Snake: Wh-what... oh, Major... What do you want?

Zero: What happened? You've been acting strangely ever since you were washed
down the river.

Snake: I'm fine.

Zero: I disagree.

Snake: Really?

Zero: Yes.

Snake: ...

Zero: Did something happen to you in that river?

Snake: No...

Zero: Don't lie, Snake. I'm trying to help you.

Snake: ...All right. But you might not believe me when I tell you.

Zero: I'll believe you. I trust you.

Snake: Okay, then. When I was in that river...

Zero: Yes?

Snake: I saw... the other side.

Zero: The other side?

Snake: Yeah.

Zero: ...And by the other side, you mean...?

Snake: Well, the world of the dead... I guess.

Zero: ...

Snake: And The Sorrow was there. He was sad... No, more than that. He said
that I was a part of his sorrow...

Zero: I...see... um, Snake, would you excuse me for a moment?

Snake: Huh? Sure...

Zero: Para-Medic, what in the hell is wrong with Snake?

Para-Medic: Beats me... Maybe he got a nasty bump on the head.

Zero: ...You really think that's all?

Para-Medic: What are you implying?

Snake: Major?

Para-Medic: I mean, he's always been a little bit... different... I thought
maybe...

Zero: Good point... I was just thinking that myself.

Snake: MAJOR!

Zero: Wh-what is it, Snake?

Snake: I can hear you.

Zero: !! W... well, in any case, I'm glad you're all right.

Para-Medic: Y...yeah. Me, too. It's good to see you're back to ah... normal.

Snake: ...


-Spirit (call Sigint while wearing Spirit camo)

Sigint: Eh? That's some bizarre camo you've got on, Snake...

Snake: It's spirit camo... I think it was a gift from The Sorrow.

Sigint: The Sorrow? But he's been... Man, I don't even want to know. Anyway,
that camouflage seems to have some kind of special power. While you're wearing
it and grab an enemy during CQC, you can drain stamina out of the enemy while
choking him. And you won't make a sound when you move around.

Snake: Sounds good.

Sigint: ...Tell me the truth. Did you really get that from The Sorrow?

Snake: Yeah.

Sigint: ...Hell, the major says he's been abducted by a UFO, so why not...?

Snake: ???

[Z]

how to you get the Spirit camo?

[Luis]

how to you get the Spirit camo?Just survive The Sorrow.

[curryking1]

Ya, survive the Sorrow by getting to the end of the trail of the dead, you walk into a branch where his dead body is, instant 'death' and use revival tooth thing.

How do you get the alligator head though? I never got that in any of my many play throughs of the game.

[Smokey]

the alligator head is pretty close to start im sure. i got it but havnt finnished game yet :(

[Z]

then I must of gotten it but forgot its name.

How do you get the alligator head though?
I never could figure that one out. I killed an alligator in every imaginable way, and I still couldn't get its head.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

it's an item you pick up in the marsh area after you run into the ocelot unit. you don't actually hollow out a crocodile hat.

[Luis]

it's an item you pick up in the marsh area after you run into the ocelot unit. you don't actually hollow out a crocodile hat.LOL, yeah. I found it in my second playthrough, when I spent a lot of time looking everywhere for new stuff. I found that, a few more weapons and a lot of camo suits. And managed to watch a few more cutscenes.

[curryking1]

Dammit! That was the only item I didn't know how to get. I was thinking was Z was, I thought you had to kill the alligator in some way lol.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I have to post this, it's proof of Ocelots heritage. I found it in the FAQ curryking1 linked to.


===

-Ocelot's Past (call Eva after fighting Ocelot)

Snake: Eva, I wanted to ask you about Ocelot...

Eva: Yeah, I know. He's pretty infatuated with you, isn't he?

Snake: That's not what I meant. Aren't the Ocelots an elite unit?

Eva: Yeah.

Snake: So how'd he get to be their commander? He can't be any older than 18 or
19. I can't believe he's already a major...

Eva: I heard from the Colonel that he's been given... special treatment.

Snake: Special treatment?

Eva: Yeah. He's the son of some legendary hero or something.

Snake: No wonder he seems to have the right stuff... So who is this legendary
hero anyway?

Eva: Beats me.

Snake: ...

Eva: The Colonel never told me. All I heard was that his mother was supposedly
shot in the gut during battle and that he was born right there with bullets
whizzing past them.

Snake: A pregnant woman in the middle of a battle?

Eva: That's what I heard. They say that when they stitched her up, the scar
was shaped like a snake.

Snake: Well, that's battlefield medicine for you. What about his father, this
legendary hero?

Eva: He didn't tell me. I don't think Ocelot's ever met his parents.

Snake: Are they dead?

Eva: Maybe. I don't know. There were a lot of MIA's back then, during the last
days of the war. Ocelot probably would have ended up the same way. But he was
taken in and raised by GRU and Volgin.

Snake: Because he was special?

Eva: That's my guess.
===

[Z]

GatorShit! I missed that one. O_o