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Sephiroth_VII

06-19-2006, 04:52 PM

New Interview?

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will not feature Raiden as a playable character, director Hideo Kojima has confirmed. However, the flopsy-haired agent everyone loves to hate will "play an active role in the story," says Kojima, and we can "expect to learn the reason behind [Raiden's] character design through the course of MGS4's story."

Kojima revealed this info during a staged interview with Show Maybe?, a Konami-created spoof version of the daily newsletter produced for and circulated at last month's E3 show (be sure to check out the online version of it). He also fleshed out the plot of his latest masterpiece. MGS4 is set five to 10 years in the future, where "all of the weapons and war zones are controlled by nanotechnology" and the business of war has been taken over by "private military companies."

Liquid Snake returns as commander of the private military company Outer Heaven, wielding "military strength equivalent to the rest of the world's combined power." Solid Snake is sent "somewhere in the Middle East" by the United Nations to foil Liquid's plans.

But, as recent MGS4 trailers show, Snake's clocking up the years. "Snake's vigor - his existence - has started to wither," Kojima explains. "His face has aged a lot, but he's actually much younger than he seems. His body suffers from accelerated aging because he was born from the genetic engineering project, Les Enfants Terribles."

Finally, Kojima lists the recurring members of Metal Gear's cast. Naomi Hunter is back, having "successfully escaped after having been captured in Metal Gear Solid," and Campbell returns, old but "more vigorous than Snake." Meryl Silverburgh, who also played a big role in the PSone Metal Gear Solid, will finally resurface, this time as a commanding officer and leader of FOXHOUND.

MGS4 is likely to be the final episode of Snake's adventures - though that's what was said about MGS3. "I had actually intended to complete the series with MGS3," Kojima says. "I decided to make MGS4 because so many mysteries still remained, and I couldn't ignore all the people who had requested a new game."
Source (http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20060616151118866040&releaseId=20051216153655522074)

masteratt

06-19-2006, 05:03 PM

...and I couldn't ignore all the people who had requested a new game."

Well, if that's the case...He should be prepared to work on MGS5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 etc!
No escape from MGS now Hideo :) :evil:

Smokey

06-19-2006, 05:25 PM

damn lets anoy him for another 5 games then :)

makeitlookreal

06-19-2006, 05:48 PM

LiquidEagle

06-19-2006, 05:55 PM

That's what he's doing with MGS4, MILR. He wanted to leave MGS after finishing MGS2 so he wrote up the design doc for Snake Eater, and asked for somebody to step forward & take the director's chair. Nobody did, so he realized he needed to stay with it and he did MGS3. With MGS4 though, Shuyo Murata is stepping up as director & he also co-wrote MGS4. Murata was the director of Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner, which was an absolutely amazing game (my favorite of 2003 fo sho). Kojima's still directing and writing but I think his role will start to diminish (assuming we still get MGS games after this one) down the road as he gets to be more involved in new games. Each new MGS has been incredible to experience so it'll be a shame for that to end, but I can also respect the need for Kojima to do something new... like a US Port for Policenauts.... ;)

overclocked

06-19-2006, 06:03 PM

Well, I think Hideo deserves a break, but more MGS games would of course be very cool.

Perhaps he has an apprentice somewhere that he could hand off the MGS legacy to? He could still be involved, check in from time to time, and be able to lets say veto elements of any future game he does not like. But 90% of the development and decisions would be done by someone else of his choice.

That way we could get more MGS games and perhaps even more unique ideas for the series, but also give Hideo a well deserved rest!

I rather see ZOE3 actually. Snake will die so base another game on Raiden instead as we know his history aswell as Snakes.

Depending if you have played the earlier MGS titles. If you havent then i suggest you pick up MGS2 and 3.

LiquidEagle

06-19-2006, 06:25 PM

overclocked

06-19-2006, 07:04 PM

No guarantee that Snake will die :-p right now I'm predicting that Otacon will die and Snake will live & go into a sort of permanent seclusion for the rest of his days (however many there are). It's obviously an early prediction but I don't think Snake is 100% certain to die. Nothing is 100% certain in MGS until we've played it ;)

Its time for it, just a "gut" feeling.. And then move on so to say. A final last MGS with RAIDEN but imagine playing Snake sitting in a wheelchair and his only weapon is too "piss" down the enemies.. :hugegrin:

Nameless

06-19-2006, 07:08 PM

Snake can't die...
Nooooooooooo Snake Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!!!

I couldn't resist... LOL :)

Luis

06-19-2006, 07:11 PM

I can confirm you Snake will not die.

In my heart, that is.

Sephiroth_VII

06-19-2006, 07:11 PM

You know what? After Snake Vs. Monkey, I don't doubt that this could be included as a mini-game in MGS4...

LiquidEagle

06-19-2006, 08:08 PM

Well we've been told that this is Solid Snake's last MGS but that doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna die... Obviously that's an option and the trailer leads us to believe that Snake wants to die in a way, but I thought Kojima said awhile back that he wasn't going to kill off Snake, and I still don't count out the possibility of different things happening since MGS trailers can be deceptive :-p

I think we already got a preview of that peeing minigame with that guard pissing on Raiden in MGS2. That's why FOX-HOUND is a "wet-works" organization :laugh:

makeitlookreal

06-19-2006, 08:32 PM

Newboi

06-19-2006, 08:52 PM

Anyone watch the IGN video in HIGH QUALITY MODE in WMV?

It really helps to enhance the quality. The game is already amazing, but I noticed even more details and especially better color after turning it on. This game is going to be amazing to play. I just can't express how fun it is going to be to play through a game that looks similiar to a movie.

BTW, does anyone else have any tips on how to make the clip look as good as possible in WMV?

If your videocard has hardware accelerated video playback then I would use overlays instead of high quality mode, since you can adjust many quality components with your videocard drivers.

You could also use WMV classic, which has built in de-interlacing and sharpening algorithms to further enhance the video quality too.

Handycrap101

06-19-2006, 10:30 PM

Drakenhoff from GameFaqs typed it out and two people confirmed the release of the magazine 2 weeks ago.

I HIGHLY WARN EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ!
MAJOR SPOILERS!
Drakenhoff from Gamefaqs posted:Here are some of the question asked in an interview with Kojima and the British Official Playstation 2 magazine

OPS2: Will Raiden be a playable Character?

Kojima: This time only Snake will be the only playable character. Raiden only appears as an AI-conrolled supporting character.

OPS2: The trailer shows snake attending a funeral. Whose is it?

Kojima: I'll give you a hint: It's probably the person you're thinking of...

OPS2: How will you feel if snake dies in MGS4?

Kojima: I'm very happy if Snake dies because I don't have to create MGS anymore! Even If Snake dies he will live on in all of your hearts. In Japan, the main chracter often dies and becomes a legend. Since I don't know how western audiences will respond to this, so I may have second thoughts. I CANNOT REVEAL THE REASON, BUT STORYWISE SNAKE HAS TO DIE!

Well there you go, there's two more questions on the octo-suit and the lack of dual shock/integration of motion senor which I couldn't be bothered to post but I will if anyone wants me to.

The sources I've provided you with are all I have to offer. If you wish to investigate how valid this actually is then do so. This is all I have to give though. If this is true though... I BETTER get hella reps.

masteratt

06-19-2006, 10:36 PM

*raises hand*

I want you to post.

Epix

06-19-2006, 10:41 PM

Drakenhoff from GameFaqs typed it out and two people confirmed the release of the magazine 2 weeks ago.

I HIGHLY WARN EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ!
MAJOR SPOILERS!

The sources I've provided you with are all I have to offer. If you wish to investigate how valid this actually is then do so. This is all I have to give though. If this is true though... I BETTER get hella reps.

Snifff....Snifff....I smell BS...

Luis

06-19-2006, 11:01 PM

Yes, you certainly deserve to be -repped for posting that Snake has to die :cry2:

Seriously though, the greatest heroes die. Snake would be no exception as long as his death is worth the cause.

I will always remember you, Solid Snake :salute:

Coded-Dude

06-19-2006, 11:04 PM

you just completely ruined the spoiler tag by printing that plainly......good job
(not that I care, but someone else, ahh what the hell do I care anyways.....oh wait I don't - nevermind ;-] )

Luis

06-19-2006, 11:11 PM

C'mon, there's been too much talk about Snake dying in MGS4, mostly in this thread. Not that it needs spoiler tags when there's no official confirmation at all just yet :cowboy: Other than he's got 6 more months to live :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:

Coded-Dude

06-19-2006, 11:18 PM

yeah I was jsut trying to be an asss, please forigive me! :grouphug:

Nameless

06-19-2006, 11:43 PM

Nooooooooooooooooo Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still would like to see a Ninja Gaiden style game with Raiden, that would be tight!!!

LiquidEagle

06-20-2006, 01:12 AM

Well for one thing... Snake wasn't attending a funeral... if it's the grave we think it is (The Boss') then she was dead long before Snake could have attended any funeral :-p

Either way, I think we can take Kojima's word when he talks about game mechanics and whether or not we'll be playing as Raiden/Snake, but when it comes to story I wait until I play it myself. I think it would be a mistake to go into MGS4 expecting Snake to die. Things are never what they seem so I wouldn't jump the gun here, guys ;)

Of course a scan of that article would be nice to prove its legitimacy too :-D

Newboi

06-20-2006, 03:38 AM

This is weird because there are several video interviews with Kojima with him saying that Snake doesn't die, but his role as the hero of the metal gear series will end.

I think that is what he meant in the interview (if it's legit?).

Maybe Snakes death will be faked or something?

Crap Handycrap, why in the hell did you have to get me so worked up over Metal Gear again when I was starting to relax off of the issue!!!!! :(

masonite

06-20-2006, 05:17 AM

maybe itll be like one of those westerns where the hero rides into the sunset, slumped over on his horse, and you never really know whether he's dead or not. "storywise snake has to die" means that he may not physically die but just no longer appears in further episodes of metal gear (hence his "death" from the series). itll be funny (read: dissapointing) if hideo took the easy way out - make it like a normal mgs, snake wins, saves the day, gets the girl, waves goodbye....and gets hit by a bus when he's crossing the road. or if he puts the gun in his mouth, then takes it out and says "just kidding" and then accidentaly pulls the trigger... although given recent events in australia, i probably shouldnt joke about that...

makeitlookreal

06-20-2006, 05:45 AM

What needs to happen is that Solid Snake's DNA allows for a repaired clone to be made and then his mind downloaded into the new body. This way "Snake" can die, but can have a life that is about more than warfare and combat. Quite frankly, I will be disapointed if Snake dies, but realize not all stories have happy endings. But in the fantasy world of video games it sure is nice for them to happen!

Voidler

06-20-2006, 06:03 AM

Kratos

06-20-2006, 06:46 AM

LMAO voidler's vagina LMAO

Kratos

06-20-2006, 06:47 AM

That doesn't even make sense in the context of his character, shut up with your theories :XD:

rofl cry more plz

Luis

06-20-2006, 11:50 AM

Gaul

06-20-2006, 01:51 PM

I would watch the videos but unfortunately my internet downloads at an average of 30kbps. I've been downloading a file 1.4Gigs for an estimated 4-5 hours now. (I have to use Xfire to download so i can pause it at any time. Suprisingly I think XFire gives me the best download speeds anyway)

cliffbo

06-20-2006, 01:56 PM

Snifff....Snifff....I smell BS...

it is in the mag....

Handycrap101

06-20-2006, 04:21 PM

I think what some people fail to notice is that Snake himself can die but Kojima is talking about the characters prescense. We all know Kojima is a nut and for him to hint at somthing like that isn't far-fetched at all. I'm also surprised some of the investigators we have on this board haven't taken it upon themselves to check out the sources I've provided.

P.S. Rioter- Come down today and I'll be able to show you the HD version.

overclocked

06-20-2006, 04:29 PM

Btw is there a big difference between the 700Mb version i dloaded and IGNs and there was some at 800Mb also(?). :shrug:

solidsnakejej

06-20-2006, 04:31 PM

It's true here are the scans
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/JOD_1981/Picture001.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/JOD_1981/Picture.jpg
From MGS:TUS forums.
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9959&start=35

masteratt

06-20-2006, 04:33 PM

One thing boggles my mind:

Why is this magazine still trying to make jokes?

Handycrap101

06-20-2006, 04:51 PM

If there is a funeral to comemorate Snake as a fictional character...who here would go? I recall reading from someone else on the MGS boards on IGN there was an actual funeral for this one anime character who died. Some sort of boxing character. I have a feeling a large flock of otaku would seriously do somthing like that.

This is really disapointing though.

LiquidEagle

06-20-2006, 05:19 PM

I wouldn't go to a funeral for Solid Snake... that's taking things too far, regardless of how much you love the characters. Thanks for the scans though, snake!! Like Masteratt, I still can't believe these guys try to crack so many jokes...they're terrible jokes :(

Story-wise, Snake does have to die because like he said he has to wipe his MEME from the planet and get rid of the "cursed genes" that are probably viewed as a disease or something on the planet and to other people. In that way, he does have to die, but when it comes to MGS I believe it when I see it in the games.

06-20-2006, 07:52 PM

I don't know what all the fuss is about. that interview is old and was linked here as well.

makeitlookreal

06-20-2006, 10:10 PM

If Snake is to die (and cannot be cloned to live on) I hope his final act is SO HEROIC that everyone involved is amazed. Perhaps he could be the national hero at the end, and instead of having a tombstone wth no name a monument could be built.

Solid Snake

He Saved The World

A Lot!

overclocked

06-20-2006, 10:52 PM

By the way everyone, I can't stop watching the MGS4 video from IGN. It is simply amazing. Since I don't know a lot about the MGS series I decided to check out the graphics from MGS3 Snake Eater and Subsistance (which use the same engine but Subsistance allows for different camera views). The result is that even though MGS3 looks VERY good for a PS2 game I do believe the leap to MGS4 on the PS3 is quite significant.

Many people have claimed that the leap from PS1 to PS2 is larger than the leap to PS3. This might be the case to some degree. But for a game being designed BEFORE the PS3 is even launched and BEFORE the hardware is finalized MGS4 is simply stunningly high in quality.

I think that the leap is going to be quite large even if in reality it could very well be smaller.

There is something i dont understand. Play the other MGS games, i mean how the hell would you know if you enjoy a game-series you never played.

06-20-2006, 11:02 PM

I do believe the leap to MGS4 on the PS3 is quite significant.
'duh' comment of the year.

makeitlookreal

06-20-2006, 11:11 PM

Thanks Z! That was funny! :-)

Overclocked,

All I can say is that the game looks very fun from the IGN video. Seriously, just being able to play almost *any* sort of game that looks THAT realistic would be really, really fun. Also, after reading through some of the history of the MGS series I find the storyline interesting as well. Being able to roam around through such a city seems facinating, and finally the game looks just that darn cool.

I like a variety of movies and MGS4 seems like a movie to *some* extent, so I think I will enjoy it. Now, normally I am not the BIGGEST fan of "military" movies (really enjoyed saving private ryan) but the scifi twist in MGS4 in my opinion is the perfect blending of two genres.

Nameless

06-20-2006, 11:30 PM

MILR, MGS3 had some of the best graphics on PS2, it' worth the time and a great title. Also, I would recommend RE4 another visually impressive title on the Gamecube or PS2. Peace

06-20-2006, 11:41 PM

makeitlookreal

06-20-2006, 11:58 PM

A friend of mine who is looking forward to MGS4 used to have a Gamecube and one of his games was RE4. I played it with him and do agree it was a fun game and very good looking. All of you are right that since we don't have the PS3 yet we need to be satisfied with PS2 games. I will totally admit that is the logical thing to do, but at the same time I find it hard to move past the graphics I have seen from the PS3. In some ways playing video games would be a good distraction for me right now, but I find myself too caught up in the PS3.

My brother has the PS2 I purchased for him several years ago (actually to be honest that one broke and someone game him a console) but convincing him to let me use it could cause another sudden surge of chaos in my home. I don't even know if he plays it anymore, but he and myself just don't get along very well.

Enough of all that, I did hear Advent Children had good graphics for the PS2 and has to do with an alien species and extraterrestrial life (that kinda stuff feeds the UFO/Scifi buff inside of me) and is tempting.

A long time ago I did see the Spirit's Within "movie" on TV, but did they make a game out of it as well?

By the way, what do you mean by "SE" movie?

Shrek was a funny movie, and I didn't even know there was a game out for it!

It seems for the past year I have been so caught up in PS3 stuff (and a tad of 360) that the PS2 has just slipped right by.

BTW, back to MGS. I think a LOT of content in MGS could be very close to reality. There are lots of military weapons that exist but are not disclosed to the public. Even cloning is a reality.

Quite frankly, my college biology professor told me the basic science of cloning is NOT that complicated and he believes that the military probably has been doing research in it for far long than civilian scientists. Also, he said that making a super soldier is not fiction and could be done even if many believe it would be unethical. By the way, I don't think he would have approved of such things, but was just stating that they could be done.

yoshaw

06-21-2006, 12:10 AM

I recommend FF: The Spirits With in. if you want more sci fi action, go with FF: Advent Children. these are some of the best looking games ever made.
just don't be alarmed if the controlls are a bit off. the graphics totally make up for it.

I would have recommended Shrek 3, but you want a more 'realistic' touch, so wait till the next SE movie, er, game.

ROFL! :laugh:

I was reading your post like so seriously when it hit me all of a sudden LOL! Quote of the month for me due to the laugh I got out of it!

venomv

06-21-2006, 01:21 AM

Don't confuse him like that, Z! lol, kidding. Advent Children and the Spirits Within are both movies, no games made of them, and SE is Square-Enix if you didn't catch that. And there are multiple Shreik games out there.

@MILR But anyway, like you said cloning has been done (just not to a human, well not that we are aware of), and true genetic engineering is on it's way. Some parts of the MGS games are just slightly out there, it's not as strange as some people see it as. You really should play the MGS games if you can get ahold of them and your brother let's you use his PS2.

makeitlookreal

06-21-2006, 01:31 AM

There are accounts of UFO researchers or other scientists encountering black-op military folks and some of them look EXACTLY alike. I'm not into the UFO thing as much as I used to be (even though I am still facinated in it but the UFO community fell apart) or I could go pull you up some references. I just don't remember where to find a lot of stuff anymore.

Basically, knowing the military thinking on our planet I doubt that any advanced nation would turn down the chance to experiment with human cloning to make super soldiers. Now, I doubt they would make thousands of them but if you have a great soldier that is really healthy and seems to have a natural talent at things in their mind it would be stupid not to clone him. Also, there is enough known about genetics in the non-classified world to enhance the normal human genome at least moderately. In the REAL world such a thing would be horribly unethical, but in the black op military world I believe it would be acceptable to some people (even though I don't think it's right to do such a thing).

By the way, woundn't it be interesting if Solid Snake encountered a team of cloned special forces black op people somewhere in one of his missions in MGS4. I think it would be interesting.

06-21-2006, 02:09 PM

By the way, woundn't it be interesting if Solid Snake encountered a team of cloned special forces black op people somewhere in one of his missions in MGS4. I think it would be interesting.
he already did. in 1 & 2. and 4 will not only have clones, but nano-tech injected in the bodies that prevents enemies from backstabbing. "a soldier cannot rais a gun at his employer". something about controlling humans and machine vs human thing going on.
one of the famous quotes in 1 : "Liquid: how does it feel killing your brothers Snake?!"

There are accounts of UFO researchers or other scientists encountering black-op military folks and some of them look EXACTLY alike. I'm not into the UFO thing as much as I used to be (even though I am still facinated in it but the UFO community fell apart) or I could go pull you up some references. I just don't remember where to find a lot of stuff anymore.
oh, yeah. about that, that is one of my stupid experiments gone wrong. sorry I scared the world that much. it was purely unitentional. who knew it would be such a mess trying to figure out the next big thing after ketchup, mayo and mustard?
but fret not! I am continuing my secret work somewhere in China. all I know is that there is a tiny noodle shop next to me. I can't reveal anything more or I'll have to shoot you.

LiquidEagle
MGS4 will be in the Middle East among other places
about multiple locations; it has been announced, but I don't think they will be plenty or that diversed. we may see some outdoor and in door invironments and some mix between them (a mix from all MGS games). but I don't expect huge invironments adn exploring. if you think about it, every MGS games has been extremely limited and linear. even the outdoors in 3 were only 'bigger lanes'. the thing is, the games have alot of control and options, so making the environments huge will take more efforts and resources. I think the places you'll play in will be similar to the demo; small towns and such given different names and locations around the world.

that is to say I am not waiting for much in regards of diverse environments and explorations. we will see.

yoshaw

06-21-2006, 04:37 PM

Anyone with a decent printer fancy MGS4 logo? Well, go on make A4 posters on yer walls! Or T-shirts. Oye, send me a piece as well :)

Black Version
http://xs302.xs.to/xs302/06253/MGS4_logo_black.png.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs302&d=06253&f=MGS4_logo_black.png)

White Version
http://xs302.xs.to/xs302/06253/MGS4_logo_white.png.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs302&d=06253&f=MGS4_logo_white.png)

More later. Stuff that would definitely make an MGS lover buy a new printer, I promise ;)

Edit: As promised, poster sized(2063x3131 pixels, Under 1MB) MGS images for you guys. Apparently these were created for marketing MGS Digital Graphic Novel for PSP :)

http://xs302.xs.to/xs302/06253/MGS_DIGITAL_poster.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs302&d=06253&f=MGS_DIGITAL_poster.jpg)

http://xs302.xs.to/xs302/06253/Digital_cover_psp.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs302&d=06253&f=Digital_cover_psp.jpg)

LiquidEagle

06-21-2006, 07:47 PM

Yeah, they're on Konami's press disc from E3 :-p

Sephiroth_VII

06-21-2006, 07:51 PM

Thanks!! Where did you get them?

EDIT: Press disc!?!?! ISO please, if anyone picked it up!

LiquidEagle

06-21-2006, 08:10 PM

lemme try. brb :-p

I can use Nero to make an .nrg image, but I need Alcohol 120% to make an ISO, right?

Sephiroth_VII

06-21-2006, 08:58 PM

You should be able to use Nero to make ISO's, but a .nrg file is fine. I've got Nero 7 too. ISO's are the most common though, so it'll probably be the best, since I might distribute it on BT later, if it isn't illegal.

digital neXus

06-21-2006, 09:04 PM

Yeah put it on some torrentes

digital neXus

06-21-2006, 09:19 PM

Finaly downloaded HD version and ...........WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT are they waiting for Go Sony, Go Sony, Go Sony and kick some ass.

solidsnakejej

06-21-2006, 11:16 PM

New Kojima interview from PSM
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10034

Luis

06-21-2006, 11:24 PM

Awesome find solidsnakejej!!! There are many interesting tidbits, will edit this post as I read them:

- Raiden looks pale because his blood is white (!).

- Metal Gear Mk. II (Otacon's minigear) and the Solid Eye System will be in the final game. (YES!!! :hugegrin::hugegrin::hugegrin:)

- TGS trailer events happen chronologically after E3 trailer's events, although not all of them. (Note: I consider TGS' just a teaser)

- The Middle East will be the game's first location. Then Snake will travel around the world. (:hugegrin:)

- Some scenes in the E3 trailer may not be set in the Middle East, Kojima says tricks were used so that we thought so.

- Face paint will be used. The Octocamo will be obtained at some point early in the game. Snake will use regular camouflage too (a la MGS3). The Octocamo will be originally black.

- "?" and "!" trademarks may still be used.

- CQC will be back. Improved of course. Snake will also use special and unconventional moves used by special forces and military.

- Meryl's bullet earring is a wink to Policenauts.

curryking1

06-22-2006, 12:14 AM

Thanks for the summary VG.

I like the part about traveling around the world. Oooohhh I can't wait to see a next gen modern urban environment (NYC maybe? Europe? CANADA!?! haha) and forested area (think MGS3) in MGS4.

I think the trick he is referring to is the colour palette. Everything had a deserty tint to it, maybe that's it. I think it would be those underground parts with Naomi and Meryl that end up being not part of the middle east. I think it's also the colour palette that is the trick because I bet Kojima and his team would like to have different colour palettes for different geographical areas (blue = cold and urban, browns and yellows = middle east, greens = forested).

Also, I liked Snake's suit in the TGS trailer better. They were both very nice and detailed, but I thought the TGS one was more aesthetically pleasing... does anyone else agree with me on this?

And improved CQC eh? Knife and M4 combo > you! lol!

LiquidEagle

06-22-2006, 12:38 AM

I think the "tricks" were putting those scenes in parts of the Middle East area. Namely the part that comes to mind is Solid Snake's potential suicide. MGS2's trailer had Snake fighting a Harrier on the George Washington Bridge, which of course never happened and it certainly didn't happen at that location -- they used that so they wouldn't reveal the Big Shell's existence. I also don't think we'll be running into all those characters in the first locale -- Raiden may not show up until later on, same with Naomi and Meryl.

Thanks for the summary though, VG! Raiden's white blood sounds uber-interesting!

I'll have that .nrg up in a little while as well :-D

EDIT: zomg, it's 1.63 GB!! There's a lotta BS on this DVD (I thought it was a CD-ROM but it's a DVD!), so I'll upload the main folders for ya'll since the full disc is kinda pointless...uploading the .zip file on FileFactory now... it has Castlevania, Elebits (Wii), Gradius, Lunar Knights, MGS4, MGS:DGN, MPO, Silent Hill Experience, Silent Hill Origins, and Winning Eleven on it. It's still a total of 435 MB, hehe. No trailers but there's really big pieces of artwork/logos & fact sheets & what-not...

06-22-2006, 06:37 AM

thanks alot solidsnakejej, that is a great interview. we learned alot in it!

- Raiden looks pale because his blood is white (!).
ew. reminds me of fig trees. I always thought blue was the coolest blood color.

- Metal Gear Mk. II (Otacon's minigear) and the Solid Eye System will be in the final game. (YES!!! )
great. you know what? I didn't even notice the Solid Camera not present in the E3 demo, lol. guess his enjored eye kept me busy. I think it was shot out or something. maybe the Solid Eye blows up in his face?
damn, I gotta stop before I ruin the game for myself!

- TGS trailer events happen chronologically after E3 trailer's events, although not all of them. (Note: I consider TGS' just a teaser)
first solid confirmation that the TGS showing will be brand new. I thought only little scenes will be new (like the E3 pre-video and Konami's video later on in the show). great news!

- Some scenes in the E3 trailer may not be set in the Middle East, Kojima says tricks were used so that we thought so.
I think the trick is using the brown filter. other than that, the real trick maybe that the scenes we've seen are in fact NYC, Tokyo or other famous city from the developmed world. that is the thing; the devistation.

- Face paint will be used. The Octocamo will be obtained at some point early in the game. Snake will use regular camouflage too (a la MGS3). The Octocamo will be originally black.

though so. using the Otocon from the start would have been too easy. even after obtaining it, there has to be limitations so they gameplay experience won't be ruined by over using it. imagine playing the game with the optical camofloge from MGS1&2. it would be a good 'extra after you finished the game, but not in your first run.

- "?" and "!" trademarks may still be used.
my guess is that if it will make a comeback, it would be for extra modes like Monkey vs Snake and other ligh-hearted offers. like Kojima originally said, these things will not blend well with the realisitc and serious theme and feel of MGS4 very well. if you think about it, there were comedic scenes in every MGS game showing since 2000. but MGS4 had absolutely non. that is how serious they want to make the game appear. using 'arcade' marks will only ruin the experience, imo. maybe in online or other arcade modes.

- CQC will be back. Improved of course. Snake will also use special and unconventional moves used by special forces and military.

of course. CQC was a blast and it is here to stay. :)

- Meryl's bullet earring is a wink to Policenauts.
I have absolutely no idea what Policenauts is and I don't know why they keep referring to it. was it a PSOne game? if so, what is all the fuss about? I could definitly relate to haing famous current gen landmarks mentioned (like ZOE in MGS2&3) but I have no idea what this thing is. did I miss something? O_o

yoshaw

06-22-2006, 08:30 AM

+rep for solidsnakejej. Great find man! Thanks

Seph, here is the Konami 2006 Press Kit torrent (http://bt.emuparadise.org:8989/download.php?id=ec897ffd45614b250401c6c5697abc13b9 d81f76&f=Konami+E3+2006+Electronic+Press+Kit.torrent).

solidsnakejej

06-22-2006, 10:54 AM

I have absolutely no idea what Policenauts is and I don't know why they keep referring to it. was it a PSOne game? if so, what is all the fuss about? I could definitly relate to haing famous current gen landmarks mentioned (like ZOE in MGS2&3) but I have no idea what this thing is. did I miss something? O_o

Policenauts is an early game by Kojima made in 1994 for NEC PC-9821 and later released for PSOne and Sega Saturn however it hasn't been released in the US. Meryl was a character in the game. Kojima always likes to make refrences to his older games.

There is a describtion of her character on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meryl_Silverburgh

Handycrap101

06-22-2006, 01:33 PM

I find it funny how he mentions how only Meryl's ear ring is a wink at policenauts... HER WHOLE CHARACTER IS!!!! Starting with her name, her appearence, at the end of MGS she is wearing the orange jacket that Meryl wears in Policenauts. I think the relation between the two is stronger than just an ear ring.

Handycrap101

06-22-2006, 04:00 PM

All credit goes to Ramesh/FF7R from TUS and the IGN MGS Boards.

One of the characters in Policenauts (Tony), has white blood instead of normal blood. In the game you come across this first during the death of Lorraine at the start of the game. You have to follow the trail of white blood cell and then later do the "gun sequence" before Tony runs away on his bike (with the helmet on, so Jonathan does not know how he looks)

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Later on you meet Tony on the space shuttle, and there for first time you find out that Tony has artificial blood and that he is a "Frozener"(loose translation). What Tony explains is that, a Frozener is someone who is created from "an artificially inseminated egg that is cryogenically preserved by the government." And the white blood is an form of artificial blood blood that works faster than natural blood. Apart from that, there is not much ingame information on white blood.

Here is the image of the "white blood" from the Policenauts Pilot Disc:
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Stay tuned. He is trying to get a translation on the white blood and more info on it.

Luis

06-22-2006, 04:42 PM

Good job Handy :thumbl:

LiquidEagle

06-22-2006, 04:59 PM

Every time I see Policenauts I wish I spoke Japanese, or they'd bring it over here >.<

There was a joke in the MGS4 trailer -- remember the cardboard box with "NO PLACE TO HIDE!" on it? Also, check out the 2006/2008/2007 release date :-p There will still be humor, since it wouldn't be MGS without it.

hyabusha

06-22-2006, 06:19 PM

So which HD trailer Is the best, Gamespot or IGN? Thanks

Sephiroth_VII

06-22-2006, 07:34 PM

I'd say Gamwspot, since IGN's is way too dark. Some areas are completely washed out. Just download the Gamespot 800 MB version. You won't notice the difference.

06-22-2006, 07:38 PM

do both IGN and Gamespot require a subscription to access these videos?

Sephiroth_VII

06-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Yeah. I'm pretty suure that all HD-vids require a suscription. Since I know that most of us has no wish to support IGN, I can give you a torrent. Heck, you can get the Gamespot one, too.

yoshaw

06-22-2006, 08:27 PM

do both IGN and Gamespot require a subscription to access these videos?

Yea, both IGN and Gamespot require a subscription to download HD trailers. Low res 320x240 trailers are free at IGN and low-res mpegs at Gamespot. Usually Gamespy carries the same videos that IGN has but free even in HD format so that's always a plus!

So which HD trailer Is the best, Gamespot or IGN? Thanks

Get IGN's torrent from the video sticky. Excellent color and quality!

06-22-2006, 11:31 PM

two more interesting things from the interview:

using the octo-cam, you can even lie down on the ground and blend with it. a soldier could walk right past you and wouldn't notice a thing.

the other thing is, Snake can wear enemy outfits (ala Hitman) to blend in with the enemy. Kojima said that Snake wearing the resistance clothes at the beginning of teh trailer is a hint at that. nice.

oh, and he isn't telling who the mystery grave belongs to. I think it involvs a major twist in the game and he doesn't want to spoile it.

Infernal

06-23-2006, 03:07 AM

Maybe he is looking at his own grave and he is actually a clone created after he shot himself. :wtf:

GD|eNSo

06-23-2006, 03:17 AM

Clone or no clone, Snake will not salute himself.

hyabusha

06-23-2006, 05:23 AM

Thanks all, I have both HD versions and they're very close In quality. Good stuff. Will snake have the same american voice actor? I hope so, his voice Is snake's.

Mr_Nothin

06-23-2006, 05:49 AM

IGN is WAAAAYYYY better than gamespot's....
GET IGN's
i have both, i've deleted the gamespot one

GD|eNSo

06-23-2006, 06:50 AM

Thanks all, I have both HD versions and they're very close In quality. Good stuff. Will snake have the same american voice actor? I hope so, his voice Is snake's.

hyabusha, the English version will have the same voice actor, David Hayter.

LiquidEagle

06-23-2006, 08:39 AM

oh, and he isn't telling who the mystery grave belongs to. I think it involvs a major twist in the game and he doesn't want to spoile it.

Here's what I think -- Kojima has said, "it's probably the one you're thinking of." Meaning The Boss. Last time he gave that response was when people asked about Snake Eater's main character missing an eye and the game taking place in the 60s, and they were correct in guessing it was Big Boss.

Here's what I also think -- the grave could still very easily be Gray Fox's. He was still born in the 19XX's and he did save the world (from REX, as Solid Snake tells Naomi that her brother "saved you, me, and the whole world" or something to that effect). Gray Fox was Solid Snake's best friend (besides maybe Otacon now), and it's obvious that Snake really takes to heart what he said about fighting for what you believe in. When he says, "Otacon, even the dead have ears," I think he could be referring to either The Boss crying out from beyond the grave at the state of the world, or Gray Fox doing the same. As is my policy with MGS/Kojima games I don't say things are for certain when it comes to story elements like this until I've actually played the game, so I think we'll have to wait & see and keep speculation running :-D

GD, do you have confirmation on David Hayter coming back? I haven't seen any official confirmation. The full Japanese cast is most definitely back since they seem to be a lot closer to Kojima & crew (that's not to say David Hayter hasn't formed some kind of a relationship with him too), and Solid Snake wouldn't be the same without Akio Otsuka!

yarden24

06-23-2006, 09:50 AM

heh im actuly reading the thread from the start(and its taking me a LONG while) so i dont know if this has been awnsered yet,but ill translate what i can from the advertisment that was posted before(page 107,i would qoute but i dont hav 15 posts) .it may sound rather stupid,since i dont really know how to translate.

"closing my eyes to the sound of the gun shot,shouting(im guessing from rage) wich in an instansce becomes dispear.everything for those(could be one person as well,cant tell here) that live in a nightmare,i miss them(or him) so.
wishing for a world that has run out of tears.the heart has died, and hope misses him so."

06-23-2006, 11:11 AM

yarden, welsome to the forum. :)

what part are you translating exactly? I looked at page 107 and couldn't find anything.

LiquidEagle, Grey Fox is a very good candidate. but it can't be The Boss since Snake knows nothing about her. heck, he barely knew his own father- or should I say his clone father? byt Grey Fox is a possiblity. it could be a lame thing like he thinking stupid Myrle dies or something, but I don't think they'll ruin such a moment with that cheesy stuff.

and when Kojima said: "it is probably who you think it is", that means different things depending on "what you think"

as of now, I think Grey is the best candidate. either that is him, or the grave has to do with a twist in the story of 4 that will be revealed later on.

Sephiroth_VII

06-23-2006, 11:26 AM

+rep for that, and welcome to the E-mpire forums.

It indeed seems that it's the lyrics for the song played during the E3 trailer.

yarden24

06-23-2006, 03:06 PM

yarden, welsome to the forum. :)

what part are you translating exactly? I looked at page 107 and couldn't find anything.

im translating the advertisment with the hebrew in the back

06-23-2006, 03:27 PM

I thought that was from the song. thanks for the translation!
that is going straight to my sig!

GD|eNSo

06-23-2006, 06:03 PM

GD, do you have confirmation on David Hayter coming back? I haven't seen any official confirmation. The full Japanese cast is most definitely back since they seem to be a lot closer to Kojima & crew (that's not to say David Hayter hasn't formed some kind of a relationship with him too), and Solid Snake wouldn't be the same without Akio Otsuka!

Sorry, I did not mean to state that as a fact, I don't have confirmation for his voice role. Although, I was reading an interview by him (somewhere, i'll see if I can find it) and he seemed very optomistic about MGS and was even talking about the movie and such. It is safe to assume that he will be back. Without him, there really isnt Snake.

Xerxes

06-23-2006, 06:58 PM

Luis

06-23-2006, 07:00 PM

I never played the MGS series, but I want this game. I wanted to buy MGS 1-3, but I dont know which MGS3 to get. What is the difference between Snake Eater and Subsistance? Which one is better to get if they are the same?Subsistence has everything SE has plus many extras! New optional camera system, online game modes and more.

2500 replies, 52000 views... most popular thread ever :hugegrin:

LiquidEagle

06-23-2006, 07:20 PM

Z I still think there are ways Snake could find out the truth about The Boss -- maybe it was other information on that disc Otacon analyzed in MGS2??

And GD, here's hoping they do get David Hayter again! :cheers:

Xerxes

06-23-2006, 07:23 PM

Subsistence has everything SE has plus many extras! New optional camera system, online game modes and more.

2500 replies, 52000 views... most popular thread ever :hugegrin:

Thanks for the help VG! :)

06-23-2006, 09:47 PM

Z I still think there are ways Snake could find out the truth about The Boss -- maybe it was other information on that disc Otacon analyzed in MGS2??
play me for a while: why would info about someone that was dead before Big Boss even got that title, at least 40 years ago be on a disk that should protect the Patriots from getting identified?

LiquidEagle

06-23-2006, 09:53 PM

Well there's always the possibility that it was on the disk -- The Boss's father was a member of the Philosophers and The Boss is the last remaining child of the original Philosophers. I can see the Patriots wanting to get rid of that information for one reason or another.

I'm sure Snake could have done some research as well during the downtime between MGS2 & MGS4. Kojima has said that characters in MGS4 will be from MGS1, 2, & 3, and automatically the person we assume who's gonna be from Snake Eater will be Ocelot -- EVA disappeared in Hanoi, China in like 1969 or so, and she knew/knows the truth too. Unless MPO explains what happens to her, it's perfectly reasonable that EVA gets word to Solid Snake as well. There are definitely possibilities for Snake finding this information out.

Sephiroth_VII

06-23-2006, 10:08 PM

Please don't give me an old hang-breasted EVA in MGS4! NOOOO!

06-23-2006, 10:23 PM

2500 replies, 52000 views... most popular thread ever
not quite. my child (2500 replies, 52000 views... most popular thread ever) is still the most popular with the most replies and views in any thread I have ever seen. ;)

note that the number of views isn't accurate since it was reset do to a glitch. it is more than 3 or 4 times as that.

Well there's always the possibility that it was on the disk -- The Boss's father was a member of the Philosophers and The Boss is the last remaining child of the original Philosophers. I can see the Patriots wanting to get rid of that information for one reason or another.
if they want to get rid of such info, why save it for 40 years and include it in a disk thrown into a mission? the info maybe on her father if he is a Patriot, but what does that have to do with here, especially since she was 'loyal' an dwould never bend to idiologies such as the Patriot's. they have no need for here, that is why she was disposed of without a second look.

as for characters from MGS3, we have Ocelot and Big Boss already confirmed. even if the later will have minimum impact or will only show as a glimps, he is listed in the group officially appearing for MGS4.

EVA disappeared in Hanoi, China in like 1969 or so, and she knew/knows the truth too
she knows the truth behind MGS3's story and what really happened. but she has no idea who the patriots are or the bigger picture. Ocelot even fooled here with false info.

Please don't give me an old hang-breasted EVA in MGS4! NOOOO!
lol. don't worry, Kojima isn't that crazy. even if he was, Shinkawa would never allow for suc a design appearence. lol

Handycrap101

06-24-2006, 12:06 AM

A very nicely put together FAQ from Hellhawk91 on the IGN boards. I warn all 56k users (Talkin to you Z) to avoid clicking this link.

http://boards.ign.com/metal_gear_solid/b5200/120415296/p1/?16

Nameless

06-24-2006, 12:57 AM

A very nicely put together FAQ from Hellhawk91 on the IGN boards. I warn all 56k users (Talkin to you Z) to avoid clicking this link.

http://boards.ign.com/metal_gear_solid/b5200/120415296/p1/?16
Didn't learn anything new, but a good post with nice pics...:clapping:

LiquidEagle

06-24-2006, 01:17 AM

Pretty good, but why does it say MGS4 takes place 6 years after MGS2? The only quote we've gotten from Kojima is that it takes 5 to 10 years in the future (which could be from present or from MGS2's ending) and I still think it has a possibility as being as few as 2 years after the Big Shell incident. Well put-together though.

LiquidEagle

06-24-2006, 04:17 AM

I was bored today so I started goofing around with Photoshop and a frame from the IGN video, and so far I've gotten this made:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/LiquidEagle/Sensou.jpg

I really like the way "War has changed" sounds in Japanese (especially when Akio Otsuka says it) so I included the writing at the top (Sensou wa kawatta) and threw in the logo, but I'd like to do a little more to the Japanese to make it look more like it's part of the picture (any suggestions?). I wanted to throw in some ink splatters like the trailer has but I'm not very learned with Photoshop :'( Took me forever and a day to find a Kanji/Hiragana font that looked good too, then I had to manually track down each kanji character...

I was messing around with various filters when I came across the one that basically eliminates everything but Snake looking down at the ground in deep thought, and I thought that image looked really cool. Really powerful IMO...

I'd also like to see what other people cook up, since I'm essentially a photoshop noobert and I know we have some skilled artists here....let's see 'em! :-D

Smokey

06-24-2006, 12:54 PM

cool looks good liquid. i suk at photoshop dont even know where to start :)

venomv

06-24-2006, 01:08 PM

That looks pretty cool, LiquidEagle.

Voidler

06-24-2006, 02:33 PM

Not bad Liquid, though most Photoshop junkies would turn their nose up at that kinda usage of filters, I think it looks pretty cool

LiquidEagle

06-24-2006, 06:45 PM

:laugh: yeah probably.

I'd love to find the Kanji symbols used for each character's name when the MGS4 trailer shows them and the ink spatters in the background, I wonder if they mean something different??

I also got a pleasant surprise last night as I was listening to KCRW, a Santa Monica public radio station last night. They always play a huge variety of music from all sorts of places, and I was listening to this jazz song and as soon as I heard the woman singing I was like, "zomg, that's Carla White!" Sure enough it was her, the same woman who sang "Can't say Goodbye to Yesterday" in MGS2. Just a nice bonus for me to catch that :-D

RavenFox

06-26-2006, 12:11 AM

Well I mnot sure if this was put in this thread yet but hopefully this is new info. Kojima says Raiden is a cyborg and much more.
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=3092

LaLiLuLeLo

06-26-2006, 12:40 AM

raiden's a cyborg with white blood? hmm...not sure how I feel about that.

GD|eNSo

06-26-2006, 06:38 AM

LaLiLuLeLo2003, it was kinda obvious just by his looks. Look at his face, it looks like he got his jaw shot off, and they had to re-attatch a replica. He ain't pure human.

LaLiLuLeLo

06-26-2006, 06:48 AM

Well, I know, it make sense, sure. But I'd rather he just be wearing a high tech ninja suit. Oh well!

Gaul

06-26-2006, 11:19 AM

He feels pretty. Oh so pretty. Oh so pretty and witty and gay...

06-27-2006, 12:00 AM

He feels pretty. Oh so pretty. Oh so pretty and witty and gay...
that would be the old Raiden. this one is a Cybor Ninja level ass kicker!

GD|eNSo

06-27-2006, 04:39 AM

He can jump and kill all he want, but he still looks a little on the fruity side, even more-so then before .. .. imo ofcourse :p

BahnNZ

06-27-2006, 08:11 AM

Oh man. Had a good techno day today, got the Fllip4Mac WMV player that worked for Intel, and a new ISP with decent bandwidth and saw... the 790MB HD full E3 trailer for MGS4 from gs.

I saw it in low res and thought, yeah whatever. In HD it actually made me cry at the end. Feeling kinda emotional right now guys. :( Wife made fun of me, you guys understand, right?

That's obscene. If that was an Anime movie on Blu Ray I'd be happy with those graphics.

They're going to make MGS5 with Raiden aren't they now the old man is out of the way, I think they will...

GD|eNSo

06-27-2006, 09:12 AM

I saw it in low res and thought, yeah whatever. In HD it actually made me cry at the end. Feeling kinda emotional right now guys. :( Wife made fun of me, you guys understand, right?

I'll be on your wife's side, but, yea I understand :p

They're going to make MGS5 with Raiden aren't they now the old man is out of the way, I think they will...

That's possible, but I hope not. One possibility could be another backtracking game, where they cover the events between MGS2 and MGS4.

Obviously that would become more clear after we see what is going to be told in MGS4 regarding that time.

If going forward is the direction, I still think Snake would be there, I don't think he'll perish in MGS4 .... worst comes to worst, warm up that clone machine, and pump us out another Snake!

makeitlookreal

06-30-2006, 07:03 AM

Let me ask all of you a question.

How much better do you think they can make MGS4 look in a years time and with the final PS3 specifications? I know there is no exact answer to this, but do you generally expect a lot or just a few tweaks?

Personally, what I expect is as follows...

1) I believe his hair will improve. Overall, the 15 minute clip from E3 was an improvement over the TGS footage in many ways. However, it seemed his hair was slightly less detailed and it did not have nearly as many strands. By the time they get a little more power and further learn to utilize the PS3 I believe the hair will look better than at TGS. By the way, the MUSTACHE did improve at E3 of 2006. It just looks like they sacrificed a slightly more detailed mustache for *slightly* worse hair (even though it still looks great).

2) I believe the game will have true next-gen textures. The 15min clip had many GREAT textures but a few were low resolution and really stood out if you payed close attension. I think these will be replaced and you won't find PS2 level textures anywhere in the game.

3) I believe we will see even better look environments. Basically, what we saw in these two clips were pretty dusty and dirty areas. What excites me is a level in which he is visiting a big modern city (that would have vibrant colors), a jungle area with lots of brush and plants, or perhaps an amazing mountain scene with realistic snow blowing everywhere.

---

MGS4 in my opinion is the best game I have seen so far on any console, period.

BahnNZ

06-30-2006, 07:39 AM

I personally feel I don't need my next gen video games to look any better than the TGS '05 MGS4 trailer, ever. That's plenty for me.

You watch the videos say... in high def about 10 times :) and you do see little defects, i the TGS trailer the criss cross pattern on the window looks awful, stuff like that. Small details that need fixing.

You just hope they can sustain that quality for a good 12 hours. Hope the game is funny too, MGS4 seems very very cool but kinda a grim affair so far. Hope the next trailer has a couple of gags. Watching my favourite game character slowly die and then blow his brains out doesn't seem like a laugh fest. MGS games were always funny.

I can't think of a better looking game either.

Maya 5.0

06-30-2006, 09:53 AM

They're going to make MGS5 with Raiden aren't they now the old man is out of the way, I think they will...

Personally i hope he has the same fate as Grayfox in the end.

LiquidEagle

06-30-2006, 11:29 AM

Building up all these expectations of Snake dying is kinda gonna kill the emotional impact of the actual moment of when he may really die...

...meh, either way I'll still cry my eyes out :-p

Gaul

06-30-2006, 04:49 PM

To be honost, I don't like Raiden. At all. I think he's a stupid character, and while i think his background was developed nicely, I don't like the way he acts, speaks, or looks. He basically looks like a modern day Legolas.... NOT cool in an MGS title. They could have made him so much more kick ass in MGS2, It really makes me wonder what kojima was thinking when he created him. And after watching the trailorfor mgs4, I must say, I think the new raiden would kick snakes ass... and thats just not right.

Smokey

06-30-2006, 06:08 PM

I personally feel I don't need my next gen video games to look any better than the TGS '05 MGS4 trailer, ever. That's plenty for me.

too true apple, i actually think it looks better than the latest one a bit cleaner looking :)

Fazares

06-30-2006, 06:19 PM

06-30-2006, 07:16 PM

overall i agree with u...except for the hair thing...they didnt look less detailed to me....if u pay attention u ll notice they are exactly the same as the old tgs version...
Snake's mustache is much better than TGS's. in TGS, it lookes likes duct tape. also, his hair does look a little better, I think.

I personally feel I don't need my next gen video games to look any better than the TGS '05 MGS4 trailer, ever. That's plenty for me.
the scary (and very exciting) thing is, this is only the beginning. look how better MGS looked from TGS to E3 to teh next TGS. that and other games look amazing when they aren't even running on final kits. I can hardly imagine what they can do with PS3 in 2, 3 years time.

LiquidEagle

06-30-2006, 07:23 PM

Check out that 'stache though, it looks fantastic when he's in the helicopter. :)

TGS was cleaner because it didn't have the stylizing filters on it as much as E3's did. Stylistically the E3 trailer is leaps & bounds better than TGS.

Red_Eyes

07-01-2006, 02:40 PM

I have just seen the 1 gig HD version and OMG! Before, I thought the graphics were amazing. Then I saw the 1 gig HD version...

BahnNZ

07-01-2006, 03:02 PM

To be honost, I don't like Raiden

Still don't like Raiden after he gave those "Cow Mechs" a slicing at the end of the 15 minute E3 MGS4 video?

If there's not a section in MGS4 where you don't get to be Raiden and get some serious Mech battling action with your sword in I'd be slightly pissed.

That's haaaawt.

07-01-2006, 10:03 PM

To be honost, I don't like Raiden
then do what I do; pretend he is Grey Fox re-incarnated. ;)

Viano

07-01-2006, 10:14 PM

then do what I do; pretend he is Grey Fox re-incarnated. ;)

nono, put in your mgs2 disc and suicide for fun..

Nameless

07-01-2006, 10:28 PM

Still don't like Raiden after he gave those "Cow Mechs" a slicing at the end of the 15 minute E3 MGS4 video?

If there's not a section in MGS4 where you don't get to be Raiden and get some serious Mech battling action with your sword in I'd be slightly pissed.

That's haaaawt.
Kojima claims Raiden will not be playable in MGS4, but you never know we could be in for a surprise... I was not a Raiden fan, but the new style and fighting moves shown in the trailer made me a Raiden believer! I will even take it a step further and say if team Kojima developed a Ninja Gaiden/DMC style game focused on Raiden in the MGS universe I would be on board... :drool:

07-01-2006, 10:53 PM

I'd hit it!

Handycrap101

07-04-2006, 12:46 PM

I think I'm gonna finally start MG2....

LaLiLuLeLo

07-04-2006, 04:32 PM

MILR: okay, consider that Kojima, despite surpassing all other games visually has stated time and again that great graphics aren't what he's focused on. He only cares about emotional impact. He'll take the visuals as far as they can/have to go for that to succeed, but just nice purty graphics aren't his priority. In that light, I think you should just be happy mgs4 looks as good as it does.

Rioter- Raiden's character, his purpose in MGS2 is to be a rookie without real life experience. The whole reason he's there is to make the player (us) see snake objectively rather than subjectively. I think kojima was right, and I've been saying it for a while, everyone was just expecting to play as snake, and when they didn't, everyone (including me) was frustrated about that. Raiden got blamed for it. Even if he was a complete badass everyone still would have hated him. And then there's the few who still hate Awesome Raiden out of spite, cuz they feel embittered about 2 (why, it's just a game, and you're probably missing the point). And especially in the scenes when snake and him are in the same place, you see how snake is sooo badass, and makes raiden look like a wimp. That's the point. The story is still about snake. Raiden is the vehicle in mgs2 to allow kojima to tell the story differently. From the eyes of someone who wants to be like snake, who admires him, and who ultimately is like snake, but is not snake. [2/cents]

Gaul

07-06-2006, 03:20 AM

I see what your saying, and it definately makes sense, but even if raiden was bad ass i still wouldn't like him, and its not because im on snakes side in the snake vs raiden theoretical fight. I can't really explain it, but sometimes when your playing a game or a book, their are those characters that you really come to like for some unexplained reason, and those you really dislike for an unexplained reason. I do not really know why I don't like raiden (I do no that i don't dislike him because hes not as good as snake.) , he just kind of seems... for lack of better words... like a tumor on the sides of the MGS stories (not on snake himself). Theres no point debating this, because i really don't have many good points to make. its just a matter of personaly preferance. If they altered Raiden in a few ways, I'm sure i'd come to like him more.

Nameless

07-06-2006, 03:29 AM

Kojima can't please everyone and I'm sure that's why Raiden is a support character and not playable in MGS4. If Raiden becomes more popular in the US after MGS4 I would guarantee a spinoff of MGS featuring Raiden as the primary character.

Kojima is testing the waters with the new & improved "Ninja Raiden" in MGS4.

PS: Ninja Raiden even sounds like Ninja Gaiden, hmmmm....

Maya 5.0

07-06-2006, 10:01 AM

IMO Raiden was placed in MGS2 to replace Snake.I know many here don't like that(me included) but if Raiden were to have been a big hit among fans i am certainly confident that he would of taken the place of Snake.I get the feeling like Kojima is tired if telling the story of Snake and want's to start with something newer.But thank God most rejected this.And thank God Kojima listens to his fans.

yoshaw

07-06-2006, 02:31 PM

Has anyone here seen the Japanese movie called 'Casshern'. I wonder if satriales has seen it or not.

http://www.serialmaster.com/img/cine/sorties/casshern.jpg http://www.shuqi.org/asiancinema/pics/casshern/thumbs/casshern04-t.jpg (http://www.shuqi.org/asiancinema/pics/casshern/casshern04.jpg)
See trailer here : http://www.gofishpictures.com/casshern/casshern_main.html

Also checkout 'Karas' from makers of Casshern.
http://xs303.xs.to/xs303/06274/Karas02.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs303&d=06274&f=Karas02.jpg) http://xs303.xs.to/xs303/06274/Karas01.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs303&d=06274&f=Karas01.jpg)

I strongly wish that Kojima had these kind of action sequences in mind(featured in these movies) when focusing on Raiden's character.

Anyways, after watching that awesome movie followed now by the Raiden vs. Gekkos part of the MGS4 trailer. It looks remarkably similar in style and action. I think Kojima really wants to showcase his director side with the FMV sequences. Especially now since he has lifelike facial quality on his videogame characters with PS3.

Most of you guys are Metalgear dictionaries yourself so it'd be no surprise to hear that you already know that Kojima initially wanted to be a Film Director but was denied by his parents to go down that path. Eventually he chose videogames and his lifelong dream of directing a film like game became true with MetalGearSolid on the PSOne. MGS4 on PS3 to him is probably like walking in his dream that he'd always wanted to become true.

Man, I love hideo kojima's work. Waiting anxiously for MGS4's launch.

Kojima-san banzaaai \o/, solidsnake banzaaai \o/, MGS4 banzaaai \o/

Luis

07-06-2006, 02:49 PM

Goki

07-06-2006, 03:45 PM

Only reason i didnit like (never hated) Raiden in MGS2 was because of his english
voice over, Sucked big time, I pray MGS4 will have option of Japanese voice with english text.

Sephiroth_VII

07-06-2006, 04:38 PM

This is, and will forever be my opinion of Raiden (http://gigaville.com/comic.php?id=313c)(Ugly comic, but it gets the point through.). Though I do like him a lttle better afgter the MGS4 trailer;)

LaLiLuLeLo

07-06-2006, 04:40 PM

Yeah Goki, I hate hate HATE quinton flynn. Raiden's japanese voice over is way stronger.
I like casshern, imo it's fatal flaw is it doesn't know what kind of movie it wants to be. Because it doesn't combine the action, politics, drama and romance into one, it does them all like, one after another and I'm like, 'where is this going?' The trailer is a little misleading because it makes you think it's an action epic. When there's really only one big action scene and the rest is just let down after let down.

Maya, Kojima didn't put raiden in [mgs2] to replace snake. He said 'snake is still the main character' Raiden is just there to allow you to view snake objectively (from a 3rd person perspective, and by that I mean story telling wise, not in a gaming sense :p ), rather than subjectively (with you being snake.

edit: I wish people would learn to draw well before making webcomics.
And seph, you insist that you hate raiden yet he's your signature (and that is NOT sephiroth! hahah)

yoshaw

07-06-2006, 04:45 PM

Lalilu, Well I wasn't talking about the full movie either ;) Just take the action sequences which were awesome by the way. And mix them with Kojima flare and we can have one kickass character in the shape of Raiden. Actually, the Gekkos fight was almost there anyway. So yea, maybe we will see more of that kickass action with Vampire in the scenes as well.

I don't know if you've seen the MGS Digital Novel on PSP yet but someone at Kojima Prod. definitely , definitely, loves Casshern/Karas style action sequences to death. :) I like that!

LaLiLuLeLo

07-06-2006, 04:57 PM

I can't find MGS digital graphic novel anywhere! It's driving me nuts. But yeah okay I can accept what you liked about the casshern action sequence. I liked mgs4's raiden the way he is though.

Smokey

07-06-2006, 05:07 PM

This is, and will forever be my opinion of Raiden (http://gigaville.com/comic.php?id=313c)(Ugly comic, but it gets the point through.). Though I do like him a lttle better afgter the MGS4 trailer;)
lol :)

masteratt

07-08-2006, 04:07 PM

This is going to sound dumb as I have no reliable source on this and don't actually beliueve it at all myself but since this thread hasn't had any posts in a while, you might welcome it:

Me and a 'friend' were discussing gaming and I asked "u gonna get a PS3?" and he was like "nah its too expensive" so anyway, i made the conversation go in the "yeah but MGS4 alone makes it worth it" direction and then he said "That will come out for other consoles." and i said "wtf, no. its PS3 exclusive" and he claims to have read something on a 'japanese website' that said Sony lost the license to MGS and that MGS4 will be for other consoles he backed up this claim by saying "thats also the reason Solid Snake is in the new SSB" game for the Wii. I explained the situation (how Hideo and the dev of SSB are friends and Hideo just wanted Snake in the game) and he was like "ah, thats what u think." At this point i got bored and walked off. It was also very hot.

I think it's all bullshit and i didnt even know Sony had a license for MGS. I just though Hideo liked developing for the PS.
Well anyway, maybe MGS4 will be on X360/Wii....Or maybe we will see lots of spin off games featureing Solid Snake?
Or maybe that guy is just retarded and likes talking bullshit. (this is the most likely option)

Luis

07-08-2006, 04:17 PM

There's no reason whatsoever to believe MGS4 will be released for any system other than PS3. Kojima Prod. are not likely to make ports of any of their games since in Kojima's words, they'd rather get the very best off the specifications of each system. MGS3 is and will remain a PS exclusive forever. Same with MGS: PO and MGS4.

About Sony losing MGS's license: just bull crap.

Voidler

07-08-2006, 04:53 PM

Your friend is full of it

Fazares

07-08-2006, 05:24 PM

I guess that makes sense, yoshaw. Actually, I think they should hire Twin Snake's choreographer for Raiden's scenes. I thought the crazy moves weren't suitable for the MG universe (probably very suitable for Devil May Cry though), but those could be nice for Raiden now.

I believe I read something about Kojima wanting to become a writer or movie director. With the MG series he could do both, and he had more opportunities with Policenauts, Snatcher and so on.
hmm i remember mgs ts cutscenes to be excessively over the top sometimes...i mean the scene where snake fights the ninja.... a big rock is thrown at him and ,instead of dodging it,he kick it like a ball sending it quite far...an almost dragonball-like scene if u ask me...

Luis

07-08-2006, 05:51 PM

hmm i remember mgs ts cutscenes to be excessively over the top sometimes...i mean the scene where snake fights the ninja.... a big rock is thrown at him and ,instead of dodging it,he kick it like a ball sending it quite far...an almost dragonball-like scene if u ask me...LOL! Yeah, like I said, TS's cutscenes were a bit too much crazy for MGS. I could see Dante from DMC do such crazy stuff, but not Snake. Gray Fox / Cyborg Ninja could use some really crazy moves as well as Raiden in MGS4, but well...

BahnNZ

07-08-2006, 09:44 PM

Well MGS2 came out for XBox and didn't do too well. MGS3 didn't come out at all. if you read the smoke you're probably right on the fire, just like everyone was saying "VF5 is coming out for PS3, because it was a SP exclusive" definately right on that one.

What is true is Kojima is really into Wii and wants to develop for it. People are saying a new IP though, like Kojima Productions DS game.

Go tell your silly friend that. :)

Luis

07-13-2006, 06:04 PM

Slow news days, fellows. I thought I'd post this:

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2786/mgs4angle0uf.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7121/mgs4new8fg.jpg

I realised that what you see in these two pictures doesn't appear in the official trailer. I extracted the first picture from the 3 min trailer, which is an edited version of the official trailer shown during Sony's conference at E3. The second picture is a direct feed picture released at E3.

I noticed these two things long ago and I guess some of you did as well; I thought it'd be nice to post them.

Beenie Man

07-13-2006, 06:59 PM

Fazares

07-14-2006, 08:37 AM

Slow news days, fellows. I thought I'd post this:

I realised that what you see in these two pictures doesn't appear in the official trailer. I extracted the first picture from the 3 min trailer, which is an edited version of the official trailer shown during Sony's conference at E3. The second picture is a direct feed picture released at E3.

I noticed these two things long ago and I guess some of you did as well; I thought it'd be nice to post them.
u should add this as well....
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4519/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.jpg

i think there must be an alternative version of the mgs4 trailer...maybe we will be able to see that at the tgs....

Luis

07-14-2006, 08:48 AM

Yeah Fazares, you're right. I noticed that one too as well as these ones:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/img_3587122.html
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/img_3587119.html
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/img_3587124.html
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/img_3587126.html

All of those are different angles. However, the helicopter one I posted before is exclusive to the 3 min trailer.

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2786/mgs4angle0uf.jpg

Gaul

07-14-2006, 02:25 PM

You should probably check to see if your friend can read japanese.. that might be a good indicator as to whether or not he is, as you say... Full of the shit.

Viano

07-15-2006, 12:21 AM

lol too bad I read news everyday and never seen a such article.

Nameless

07-15-2006, 01:47 AM

Let's hope we see some new footage at TGS...

OmniStalgic

07-15-2006, 02:50 AM

Let's hope we see some new footage at TGS...
I just want like half of that bogus TGS lineup to come true. Killzone, ZOE3, KH3! What the hell? just give me one of those at TGS man.

Smokey

07-16-2006, 04:51 AM

just finnished playing MGsolid the other nite AGAIN ahhhh what a wonderful game :)

solidsnakejej

07-18-2006, 07:23 PM

Some new, some old info from Neo Plus Magazine**Spolier Alert** from here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10957)

Thank DMCfan for the info

- Kojima is happy that he will kill off Snake in MGS4. He wants to move on and create new games. He says that the storyline will perfectly explain Snake's death.

- The action won't take place in only one region of the world. The E3 trailer was constructed so that gamers would think that the game plays out in one location when in fact it is not.

- Snake will have an upgraded and expanded assortiment of CQC moves. The production team after a harsh military training had gained valuable info about how a Special Forces Agent should act and move.

- The healing system form MGS3 might return. Face point and disguises will prove invaluable for Snake's survival (dressing up as other soldiers etc.)

- For Octa-Cam to work Snake has to stand still for a few seconds. The Ota-Cam also doesn't hide Snake face and hair so a 100% blend in into the enviroment is impossible ("No place to hide.")

- While fighting the robots (Snake will encounter true MG's later in the storyline) Snake will receive help from an AI controled Raiden. Raiden is apparently a cyborg with white fluid for blood. His looks may have changed but his personality has remained intact.

- some of the events that have happend after MGS2 and before MGS4 MIGHT be shown in the MGS movie which is in production in Hollywood ATM.

- nods to the series fans: Exclamation and question marks above the soldiers heads will return in 4. Also Meryl has an earring - a bullet attached to a chain which is a nod to Policenaut's fans.

- Snake will have limited time to acomplish his misson. He's dying and the next half year will be his last. In his advancements he will meet civilians. They will either help him in his misson or try to hinder it. Snake will see them fighting and dying alongside him. The enviroment is supposed to be heavily destructable.

Epix

07-18-2006, 07:28 PM

Some new, some old info from Neo Plus Magazine**Spolier Alert** from here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10957)

+rep, nice find.

Luis

07-18-2006, 07:31 PM

Hmmm, most of that info isn't new, but it's a bit more insightful.

Oh, and I guess Snake has to die :cry2: True heroes have to die.

Sephiroth_VII

07-18-2006, 07:37 PM

Uh, isn't this a summary of the Kojima interview posted a few weeks ago? As far as I remember, he did say something cryptical about Snake's death and the storyline, but never outright like this.

LaLiLuLeLo

07-18-2006, 08:24 PM

nods to the series fans: Exclamation and question marks above the soldiers heads will return in 4.

YES!

Beenie Man

07-18-2006, 08:48 PM

Now I cannot wait for TGS.

Old_Timer!

07-18-2006, 09:26 PM

I could live without that damn exclamation mark! After all they do give an audio que as well, plus didn't Kojima say that this time the graphics were so much better that it was possible to go without the exclamation. Makes me want to take a page out of MILR's book...

Luis

07-18-2006, 09:34 PM

I would like to have the option to turn the exclamation marks on just if I wanted to. It would probably require a fairly big and good (HD)TV to effectively notice expression changes on soldiers' faces, so removing exclamation marks completely could be somewhat detrimental.

I imagined the camera would zoom in quickly on the soldier's face whenever he spotted something and then the camera would return to normal when Snake had to hide or flee.

Old_Timer!

07-18-2006, 09:43 PM

I still say go without the exclamation, it's not needed.
Guard characters usually walk slowly and bent over, and when surprised they usually stand at attention so to speak and there is also an audio que. Not only that but they run and call for backup, now if you can't see all that happening then we have a problem.

Beenie Man

07-18-2006, 11:27 PM

It is Kojima.:clown:

Voidler

07-19-2006, 02:16 PM

I don't want esclamation points, it makes me think they're deciding not to change up the game as much as they were suggesting

makeitlookreal

07-19-2006, 03:58 PM

Instead of that just allow a new Solid Eye system to pick up rises in people's blood pressure. Seriously, this is a new technology. Through infrared cameras the rate of blood flow through your veins can be calculated. Unless someone was totally clad you could theoretically pick up if their blood pressure was rising and were aware something was going on. Additionally, there would also be pulses of body heat coming even though their clothing. This would give you their heart rate.

For a very realistic game I don't mind some kind of nicely done health gage or something. But a big exclamation point seems just a tiny bit tacky. Not a horrible idea, but a little old school for this new generation of realistic looking games.

But for those that are fans of the exclamation marks they should be made optional.

Smokey

07-19-2006, 05:27 PM

the exclamation marks are classic MGS, it just shows youve got their attention :)

Nodieza

07-19-2006, 06:25 PM

I am glad he's keeping the exclamations, if he took them away it would be like Final Fantasy taking away Chocobos ^.^ You just can't do that, it's part of what makes MGS so awsome, those little jokes here and there are what sets it apart from games like Hitman and Splintercell (not trying to start a comparison argument) and I love that about MGS.

What would all the cosplayers do without "Exclamation Joe" around?

Luis

07-19-2006, 06:38 PM

What would all the cosplayers do without "Exclamation Joe" around?Simple:

http://laetyburdet.free.fr/%20/0713/cosplay/10.jpg

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Smokey

07-19-2006, 06:49 PM

hahahahahaaha^^^

RavenFox

07-20-2006, 02:13 PM

Lol

Sephiroth_VII

07-20-2006, 02:19 PM

Rofl!!!! (mms://wms.dr.dk/storage/forbrug/Livsstil/dolph/fuckyfucky.wma)

BillCosby

07-20-2006, 02:34 PM

Simple:

http://laetyburdet.free.fr/%20/0713/cosplay/10.jpg

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey I was gonna do that at dragoncon this year. Drat *snaps fingers*

Nodieza

07-20-2006, 02:59 PM

^ Wow honestly just when I thought I was on everyones ignore list. ^.^

Awsome box!!!! See what would MGS be without the humor?

I see Exclamation Joe around all the time, he's at every anime convention around here.... oh crap comicon is on this Friday!!!!! Transformers!!!!! yay!!!!!

solidsnakejej

07-22-2006, 05:36 PM

I'm not to sure how true this is but this guy (http://www.wii60.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3028) claims to have talk to Hideo Kojima and the senior producer on MGS4, Ken Imaizumi at ComicCon.

I basically gave him [the senior producer] an interview while he was picking out T-shirts, Kojima was off doing the same thing aboiut 5 feet away. Hedidnt seem to notice I was talking to him. I talked to him for about 10-15mins. Heres what I found out.

- No way it will fit on a DVD9. Wouldnt give me a number as how big the game will be. Said he couldnt do that, and nothing is been confirmed as how big the final game will be, cause "there still making it." But went on about how Sony is pushing HD content and in no way will it be possible to fit it on a normal DVD, and BD is totally necessary for MGS4.(he kept calling it BD) I brought up compression, but he didnt seem like he liked that idea. Forgot what he said. Basically they dont want to do that. I dunno. This lead into a question about resolution.

-MGS4 will be 1080. Im assuming 1080p, but he said 1080. He said Sony is "forcing" them to do it in 1080. He hesitated when he said this. Im thinking he could not find the right word, and chose to say "forcing." But didnt really mean that. As he continued to talk about it I assumed he meant "pushing". So anotherwards Sony is really pushing for 1080p on MGS4, and he said thats what it will be.

- wouldnt reveal whos grave it is. said you will have to wait and see.

-Expect MGS4 to be in playable form next E3. He gave me a "hint" as he put it, and said to expect it to follow like all the MGS games have done in the past. In that they were always shown in playable form for the first time in the same year they were released. Which all happened to be at E3. so its releasing in 2007, so expect it at the 07 E3. I sugested TGS but this is what he told me

- still learning the PS3 A lot of things are moving along nicely, but they are also struggling with other things. Because of this he told me this is the biggest MGS team ever, and they have tons of people working on the game. Since its a next gen PS3 game. Made it seem like it was kinda hard to develope on PS3 thus far.

-Tilt controller might be used for cracking necks. I asked him about the tilt controller, and he said there testing a lot of things out. I said how I thought it would be really cool if you could crack guards necks with the controller. He laughed and sai another team member came up with the same idea, and there testing it out. He kept reiterating the fact, "ther estill making it"

Kojima has idea's about another ZOE wouldnt confirm anything. But said he thought Kojima wanted to do another one, but is busy with MGS4 right now. Didnt know wether he meant there are already plans for a next ZOE, or already has ideas for it. Whastever it is, it means will will most liekly see a ZOE3 sometime in the future.

The neck snapping sounds like it would be fun to do.

LaLiLuLeLo

07-22-2006, 05:42 PM

I'll take that with a grain of salt but SWEEEET.

cliffbo

07-22-2006, 05:48 PM

i believe every word, i need to. ahem Lali am i following you lol :)

makeitlookreal

07-22-2006, 06:47 PM

Kojima has already said the graphics would look much BETTER than what we have seen so far.

Now, combine that with 1080p and 60FPS.

MGS4 is going to be the hottest thing in game since pacman!

Luis

07-22-2006, 07:03 PM

Now, combine that with 1080p and 60FPS.Forget about it for MGS4.

I hope it's not true that MGS4's native resolution will be 1920x1080. Making it run at a native 1280x720 resolution so that a decent and steady framerate is achievable while keeping a lot of power for effects, higher poly counts, more things going on at once, etc. and including an option to upscale it is the most sensible way. I wouldn't want to see my most anticipated game hindered by a resolution that most people won't appreciate.

makeitlookreal

07-22-2006, 07:10 PM

Your right. The ability to upscale would be the best thing to do. But if Sony is basically forcing them to go to 1080P and everything they have said turns out to be true (that the final product is going to be MUCH better looking than what we have seen so far) then we really have something to look forward to!

I do feel that keeping it at 720P would allow them to focus on making the graphics the very best possible. But if Sony makes them go to 1080P I doubt they would do so if it would make the game look worse than what we have seen so far.

yoshaw

07-22-2006, 10:39 PM

That sounds made up. It was taken from Wii60 website anyway. Take it for what you will but I'm not convinced. Sounds farce!

Luis

07-22-2006, 10:50 PM

yoshaw

07-22-2006, 11:53 PM

I think most of that information is probably true, even though I'd question the memory and understanding skills of that guy over there, or even the actual words of the producer himself. The producer could have actually meant that MGS4 will support 1080p, but not that it would be mandatory or that it would be its only native resolution.

Anyway, the guy just chose the worst website around to post that. Just look at the incredibly awful replies to that post. So sad.

I'm still not ... ok he's standing with Kojima in the pic. Maybe there is something to it. But jesus, posting that at Wii60. WTF!

Though, I like the ZOMG cat pic in the 2nd post. Cracked me up good. lol

Sypher

07-23-2006, 10:36 PM

One lucky conventioneer ran into Metal Gear Solid producer Hideo Kojima at the San Diego Comic-Con, nabbing not only a sweet photo op, but some interesting, semi-unofficial details on the upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4. Among the highlights:

Expect MGS4 to be in playable form next E3. He gave me a "hint" as he put it, and said to expect it to follow like all the MGS games have done in the past. In that they were always shown in playable form for the first time in the same year they were released.

MGS4 will be 1080. I'm assuming 1080p, but he said 1080. He said Sony is "forcing" them to do it in 1080. He hesitated when he said this. Im thinking he could not find the right word, and chose to say "forcing."

No way it will fit on a DVD9. Wouldn't give me a number as how big the game will be. But went on about how Sony is pushing HD content and in no way will it be possible to fit it on a normal DVD, and BD is totally necessary for MGS4.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/hideo-kojima/kojima-at-comiccon-fan-gets-mgs4-dirt-189207.php

Hmmmmmmmm so atleast this is some indication of BD need for HD/nextgen games.

yoshaw

07-23-2006, 10:57 PM

Already posted in the mgs4 thread. Check here,
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=39333&page=130

No need for a seperate thread when you see 130 pages of solid love of the franchise. :)

Kiwi

07-23-2006, 10:59 PM

Yep. Carry the discussion on there.

frosty

07-24-2006, 12:36 AM

I think Kojima was trying to say Sony was urging him to use 1080, not forcing. And you know that he nor Sony would use such a resolution if it reduced the visual quality, think about it. Apparently PS3 can handle it at 1080, or this wouldn't be the case. It doesn't make sense to make a game look worse to be able to throw out the 1080p label at the public. 1080p crap is still crap. Kojima, Sony, and us all know that.

Beenie Man

07-24-2006, 12:46 AM

1080p is very overhyped.

VideoGame mania

07-24-2006, 05:45 AM

1080p is very overhyped.
I agree if they cant make MGS4 run at 60 fps,I would take 720p with silky smooth framerate and even better graphics anyday

Beenie Man

07-24-2006, 07:18 AM

Exactly.

whiteknight

07-24-2006, 09:21 AM

What if Kojima meant 1080i? =P

yoshaw

07-25-2006, 07:28 PM

Attendees will be offered further insight into the development of the hugely anticipated next-gen debut of Metal Gear Solid, with a new video trailer showcasing the game's characters, theme and content on the PlayStation 3.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18535

Waah?! New trailer at Leipzig?

Thank you Kojima! :worthy:

PS: We still need to have a double confirmation on this. My guess is it'll be the E3 trailer dubbed in German language or something.

cliffbo

07-25-2006, 07:37 PM

no reason not to hope for the best though fellas: 1080p at 60fps... could happen...

Beenie Man

07-25-2006, 07:50 PM

I hope the trailer has a little sneak peak(just a little) of gameplay.

Luis

07-25-2006, 08:06 PM

You beat me, yoshaw :worthy:

I think I won't watch the new trailer. I will also stop posting in this thread because I think the next one will have even more spoilers and I want to be surprised as much as possible. I will grow my excitement up for the best possible experience in about a year when I'll be playing MGS4, hopefully!

makeitlookreal

07-25-2006, 08:50 PM

I'm very excited about the quality of this new trailer. Remember, no one had the FINAL devkits at E3 of 2006. They did not exist. With the extra power of the final devkit we can see another significant boost in quality. I expect this trailer to have an even more detailed model of Snake, better textures (they have been constantly improving since TGS), and if we are lucky maybe we will see a brand new environment instead of the desert.

Would it be cool or what if the next trailer was set on a very populated BEACH scene! Just imagine going from dusty and dirty to colorful surroundings! He could land on the beach, grab an automobile, and go chasing after a badguy in the game. We could see a nice tropical beach scene, a cool carchase, tall sky scrapers, McDonalds, and all sorts of cool stuff.

Luis

07-25-2006, 08:58 PM

Wow MILR, it's so obvious you've never played a MGS game. Your ideas are so away from the MGS universe.

Old_Timer!

07-25-2006, 09:36 PM

Well VG you never know, Kojima is kinda quirky at times. Look at the whole eating animals to heal in MGS3.
But then again MGS3 is not another GTA, so go and eat snakes!!!

makeitlookreal

07-25-2006, 09:46 PM

Epix

07-25-2006, 09:53 PM

VG,

I think they need to do new things with MGS4. You are correct, I have never played the games. But at the same time regardless of the previous games content I think Kojima should not be hesitant to do NEW things. He has been a die hard soldier all his life. Don't you think it would be cool if for this final segment of his life he had to play 007 as well at least for a level or two?

MILR, what's stopping you from just going out and playing these wonderful MGS games? You seem very passionate about the series. You could probably take the time you spend one week posting on this forum to go ahead and beat 1-3 and get all caught up. :pleased:

yoshaw

07-25-2006, 09:53 PM

VG,

I think they need to do new things with MGS4. You are correct, I have never played the games. But at the same time regardless of the previous games content I think Kojima should not be hesitant to do NEW things. He has been a die hard soldier all his life. Don't you think it would be cool if for this final segment of his life he had to play 007 as well at least for a level or two?

Thanks, but no thanks! Leave MGS alone .... now! :guns:

j/k, man you're crazy and you don't know smack about MGS. Glad you're not a game designer lol No offense! ;)

Old_Timer!

07-25-2006, 10:03 PM

makeitlookreal

07-25-2006, 10:18 PM

For one, I don't have the games and money's tight right now. Secondly, I don't have a PS2. I purchased one years ago for my younger brothers which I believe eventually died on them and now the one brother I have left has a newer PS2, but won't let me go anywhere near it.

In a way I would like to play the games. I have *read* a significant ammount about them and find them to be very interesting. However, I'm also afraid I would get bored with the the low quality graphics compared to what I have seen from MGS4. I'm not saying their bad games by any means and from what I have read they had great stories and at the time were graphically cutting edge. But I'm me and I can't change that.

By the way, I like the idea of characters in games or movies for that matter doing new things or being put in new environments. It sort of changes things around while teaching us more about the character. For example, how do we know how Snake would react in a very upbeat social setting when most of the time he has been fighting in wars? Would Snake perform well as a spy sneaking into a huge party somewhere and acting like he's having fun and enjoying himself or would he be so obviously grim and uptight that the security would spot him quickly?

Either way the level could be very enjoyable! I could see him turning on the charm with the ladies at the party or on the other hand blowing his cover and having to go super soldier on the baddies!!!!

Luis

07-25-2006, 10:19 PM

Well VG you never know, Kojima is kinda quirky at times. Look at the whole eating animals to heal in MGS3.
But then again MGS3 is not another GTA, so go and eat snakes!!!I'm sure extremely extravagant stuff will happen in MGS4. MILR's ideas are so generic and clichéd that I couldn't possibly believe we would see anything like that in the final game. Kojima himself said that he would never let MGS games become ordinary by any means, so draw your own conclusions.

And hey, nice quote ;)

Actually don't forget guys, Kojima does loves the James Bond movies. Or maybe it's just Sean Connery's style, there was a post awhile back on the thread with Sean Connery looking similar to Ocelot. (Ponytail included)ROFL! I wonder who said such thing :eek2:

However, I'm also afraid I would get bored with the the low quality graphics compared to what I have seen from MGS4. I'm not saying their bad games by any means and from what I have read they had great stories and at the time were graphically cutting edge. But I'm me and I can't change that.You should certainly change that. You're really going to miss a lot of great games just because they won't have state-of-the-art graphics forever. As a matter of fact, I'm sure you already missed a lot of great games.

makeitlookreal

07-25-2006, 10:35 PM

No idea is cheezy if it's done right. A scene on the beach that turns into a car chase through a big city could be really cool if it was handled properly. There are so many factors that go into a level. There is the back story, the other enemies involved, what else is going on in the universe at the same time, etc.

For all we could know Snake could have a really unique and interesting mission that requires him to do those things. I'm just using that setting as an example, because I just want to see a lot of different environments both in populated areas, jungle areas, arctic areas, and desert areas.

woundingchaney

07-25-2006, 11:05 PM

Actually don't forget guys, Kojima does loves the James Bond movies. Or maybe it's just Sean Connery's style, there was a post awhile back on the thread with Sean Connery looking similar to Ocelot. (Ponytail included)
Actually Kojima loves the Terminator movies more than anything.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h108/woundingchaney/snake_kylereese.jpg

Tell me that shit isnt SPOOKY.

Epix

07-25-2006, 11:08 PM

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18535

Waah?! New trailer at Leipzig?

Thank you Kojima! :worthy:

PS: We still need to have a double confirmation on this. My guess is it'll be the E3 trailer dubbed in German language or something.

Yoshaw, when is this event scheduled to take place?

makeitlookreal

07-25-2006, 11:25 PM

That is a very interesting comparison of images. The two do look almost identical. Actually, I used to be a huge terminator fan but the THIRD movie was absolutely horrible in my opinion.

For so long I had thought about a really cool, neat, and amazing sequel. But instead we got a pretty pathetic movie not half as good as part one or two.

Personally, once I see a movie I think up of some really, really good ideas for sequels. If they had let me create the story for Terminator 3 it would have been a huge blockbuster.

But back to MGS4. There are all kinds of cool ideas they could incorporate into the game. With the power of the PS3 they have the ability to generate almost any environment they wish so I really hope we get to see Snake in almost EVERY environment on the planet for at least a short period of time.

Nameless

07-26-2006, 03:52 AM

MILR, how can you suggest changing a gaming series you never played...
Kojima has created a style and universe with MGS that fans truly adore, since you are ignorant to this universe (you have never played a MGS game) your request sound ludicrous.

It's one thing to request great graphics; I can respect your battle, but don't start messing with classics like MGS... At least play the games to be more knowledgeable in your request. :nono:

Beenie Man

07-26-2006, 04:41 AM

He is just stating his mind.

Viper

07-26-2006, 04:53 AM

Forgive me is posted already.

- Konami's Hideo Kojima revealed new details on Metal Gear Solid 4 for PS3 at ComicCon:

* Metal Gear Solid 4 would not fit on a normal DVD, it is absolutely necessary to use Blu-ray as the medium.
* Sony wants to make sure the game can run on 1080p
* The game should be in playable form in the next E3 in May 2007
* The development team is larger than previous titles, which includes everyone who worked on the MGS series
* Konami still hasn't decided whether to support the movement sensing capabilities in the PS3 joypad

Nevermind, you guys had it up pages ago.

yoshaw

07-26-2006, 05:02 AM

Yoshaw, when is this event scheduled to take place?

I took this below from the Games|Convention official website. So we're not that far off and hey, it's before Tokyo Games Show so that's a double treat, no? ;)

August 24th to 27th, 2006 - GC Games + Entertainment (exhibition halls)
August 23rd to 26th, 2006 - GC Business Center (B2B)
August 23rd, 2006 - exclusively for professional visitors and the media only

http://www.gc-germany.com/gcinfo_e.shtml

* Sony wants to make sure the game can run on 1080p

I think it wasn't mentioned whether it'd be progressive or interlaced, only the 1080 part was revealed. Yea, I'm sure it wasn't mentioned(except for the guy reporting wishing for it). Here's the excerpt.

-MGS4 will be 1080. Im assuming 1080p, but he said 1080. He said Sony is "forcing" them to do it in 1080. He hesitated when he said this. Im thinking he could not find the right word, and chose to say "forcing." But didnt really mean that. As he continued to talk about it I assumed he meant "pushing". So anotherwards Sony is really pushing for 1080p on MGS4, and he said thats what it will be.

PS: [Offtopic] I just read that Dengeki magazine reported the next ZOE in the making for PSP (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=1163785#post1163785).

0_o <<-- Ahhsomely dumb founded!

Luis

07-26-2006, 07:29 AM

* Konami still hasn't decided whether to support the movement sensing capabilities in the PS3 joypadThat's just your own interpretation, which is very groundless. MGS4 will support motion sensing. In one of the video interviews that you can find in the archive thread, Kojima states that while he's sad that rumble is gone, he welcomes motion sensing and they will make use of it for the best possible experience. It's also been reported before, and quoted from Kojima himself, that they could use the motion sensing to aim and look in first person view mode and to shake objects off defeated enemies. Also, Kojima Productions' philosophy is to tailor games around the specifications of every machine so that they'll exploit all of their features.

agentorange

07-27-2006, 05:35 AM

i hope even in HD the game will run in 60 fps consistently unlike resistance fall of man where there is a big trade off.

Viper

07-27-2006, 05:40 AM

That's just your own interpretation, which is very groundless.
Not my own interpretation. Credit that to The Magic Box.

Luis

07-27-2006, 07:34 AM

Not my own interpretation. Credit that to The Magic Box.Well, you should have credited that to them in the first place ;)

Handycrap101

07-29-2006, 04:54 PM

Man I've been away for a while...

Luis

07-29-2006, 04:58 PM

Hello again Handy :)

Do you know that there may be a new MGS4 trailer at Leipzig's Game Convention at the end of next month? :hugegrin:

makeitlookreal

07-29-2006, 05:55 PM

Let me ask all of you a question. If Sony is pushing them to to make Metal Gear Solid 4 at 1080P *and* Kojima is going to keep his word that the final MGS will look much better than what we have seen so far how is it going to happen?

What we have seen so far is great and I don't doubt that he could push the game to look even better. But making it look better AND pushing it to 1080P would be a pretty tremendous accomplishment in my opinion.

Do any of you think he will be able to do both? I am just curious in your opinions on this matter.

Luis

07-29-2006, 05:57 PM

My opinion is that you should know that good graphics are not the only thing that will make MGS4 great.

Smokey

07-29-2006, 06:05 PM

My opinion is that you should know that good graphics are not the only thing that will make MGS4 great.
QFT just awsome in every sense :)

makeitlookreal

07-29-2006, 06:10 PM

I'm not trying to debate the importance of graphics. I am trying to get your input into one specific question. If Sony wants Kojima to produce the game in 1080P and he wants to increase the quality of graphics (regardless if you think it needs to be done or not) do you think he will be capable of doing both, how will it be done, and what thoughts do you have?

If he manages to do both I think MGS4 will be the crowning accomplishment of the PS3.

Smokey

07-29-2006, 06:14 PM

what sony wants & what they get are different things. i think itll hurt mgs at this stage of the consoles life. but the only problem if they get to 1080p Snake might not be around then :(

venomv

07-29-2006, 06:20 PM

If he manages to do both I think MGS4 will be the crowning accomplishment of the PS3.

I think it is a bit early for that.........

But anyway to your question, I think Sony would understand if he said he couldn't do what he wanted to do at 1080p at this point in time, but I also think that is it isn't possible they wouldn't have asked for it.

yoshaw

07-29-2006, 06:28 PM

If Sony wants Kojima to produce the game in 1080P and he wants to increase the quality of graphics (regardless if you think it needs to be done or not)

- do you think he will be capable of doing both,

- how will it be done,

- and what thoughts do you have?

- I'll let you know when I ask him at the next comicon ;)

- With lots of sleepless nights at the konami offices, excruciating cell programming mixed with hair pulling, regular visits to the shrink and a hair surgeon.

- Doing both 1080p while suping graphics to a level above the E3 trailer could very well delay MGS4 way off into the 2007/08 fiscal year. Or quite possibly into the January 2009 period.

Now don't gimme that look. You asked for my thoughts, didn't you? :beer:

makeitlookreal

07-29-2006, 06:32 PM

I don't care if the game is delayed until 2010 as long as it is done right. I do appreciate your opinions and thoughts. Thank you very much Yoshaw! I appreciate you being willing to respond!

Handycrap101

07-29-2006, 06:36 PM

Really VG? Wow, thats pretty sweet. But I'm more than sure it will PAIL in comparison to the live demo Kojima promised us.

yoshaw

07-29-2006, 06:40 PM

I don't care if the game is delayed until 2010 as long as it is done right.

There are more factors at play here than just delaying the game MILR. You have to be considerate enough to realize a lot of people are actually holding off(buying PS3) until the MGS4 launch. MGS4 is like the blockbuster that would drive PS3 sales off the roof. Delaying such a game would impact the overall sales of PS3 and effectively forcing Konami to consider multiplatform options for MGS4. That too ok with you?

The more someone works on a game, the more they want to milk from it. That's like rule of the thumb for large corporations such as Konami. PS3 needs the killer exclusive in 2007 and MGS4 is exactly that! Besides, aren't you assuming that Sony asked for 'progressive' 1080? Because I still haven't seen the confirmation over this matter. The official source of the matter has only reported the 1080 part devoid of any 'p' or 'i'. Anything after it was just assumption. We could be getting a 1080i mgs4 for all we know. So please, keep this in check as well. No need to get ahead of ourselves. Right? :)

Beenie Man

07-29-2006, 07:16 PM

Maybe 1080i, he he.

Nameless

07-30-2006, 12:19 AM

I just want to get my hands on MGS4, I'm not that concerned about 1080P to be honest... I just hope the team can make a 2007 release date... (Kojima will not rush the title, it will be released when it's ready...)

McLaren

08-10-2006, 07:33 PM

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_news.php?id=736

New GC Trailers, Confirmed!
9 Aug 2006 by finalfantasy7, MGS:TUS

Metal Gear fans can expect to enjoy two new MGS trailers around the 23rd of August.

Kojima Productions will be showing new trailers for Metal Gear Solid 4 and MGS: Portable Operations at Leipzig Games Convention.

The Leipzig Games Convention, a game show hosted in Germany, formally opens on August 23rd this year showcasing media for upcoming game titles and events. The public may attend the show for four days -- starting on the 24th and ending the 27th.

Our very own site administrator, Otacon, will have the privilege of being able to attend the convention, despite recent forum and blog entries stating it would not be possible. He will be attending the convention holding a press pass representing MGS:TUS.

Stay tuned to Pavel's blog and the main page of TUS for updates on the event!
we will probably have over 25 minutes of mgs4 trailer! i do think it is time for some in-game footage though.

Fillibuster

08-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Excellent...another date to look forward to before November 17th.

yoshaw

08-10-2006, 07:37 PM

We already knew this. It's been posted in the MGS4 thread like a month ago I guess ;)

Luis

08-10-2006, 07:41 PM

we will probably have over 25 minutes of mgs4 trailer! i do think it is time for some in-game footage though.What the hell? Don't make stuff up, please. And let them show in-game footage when they have something totally solid (pun intended).

yoshaw

08-10-2006, 07:43 PM

I repeat-oh. This news was known since last month courtesy of gamesindustry.biz :)

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18535

and was on the forum here

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=39333&page=131&highlight=MGS4

Frankly, I just want the news ported over to the old MGS4 thread :P hehe

Smokey

08-10-2006, 07:45 PM

does it really matter yoshaw....?

yoshaw

08-10-2006, 07:47 PM

does it really matter yoshaw....?

Yes it does, let's keep the old thread alive, lol ;)

:cheers:

Smokey

08-10-2006, 07:48 PM

:) lol

edit: that thread will Never die....long live Snake

Luis

08-10-2006, 07:50 PM

Let's resurrect the good ol' MGS4 thread :)

Luis

08-10-2006, 07:51 PM

Yes it does, let's keep the old thread alive, lol ;)

:cheers:We can't let this thread die, can we? ;)

Let's just post this again as a reminder:

New GC Trailers, Confirmed!
9 Aug 2006 by finalfantasy7, MGS:TUS

Metal Gear fans can expect to enjoy two new MGS trailers around the 23rd of August.

Kojima Productions will be showing new trailers for Metal Gear Solid 4 and MGS: Portable Operations at Leipzig Games Convention.

The Leipzig Games Convention, a game show hosted in Germany, formally opens on August 23rd this year showcasing media for upcoming game titles and events. The public may attend the show for four days -- starting on the 24th and ending the 27th.

Our very own site administrator, Otacon, will have the privilege of being able to attend the convention, despite recent forum and blog entries stating it would not be possible. He will be attending the convention holding a press pass representing MGS:TUS.

Stay tuned to Pavel's blog and the main page of TUS for updates on the event!Source: metalgearsolid.org (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_news.php?id=736)

By the way, could any mod please change the title of this thread from "Mgs4" to "MGS4"? The lowercase letters are just wrong :-p

Smokey

08-10-2006, 07:52 PM

Let's resurrect the good 'ol MGS4 thread :)
you just did :)

Smokey

08-10-2006, 07:53 PM

awsome hey i cant wait fellas. i really hope theres gameplay though, but will still be EXtremely happy if there aint :)

yoshaw

08-10-2006, 07:56 PM

Luis

08-10-2006, 08:01 PM

I'd not mind a single bit if they show the same E3 trailer BUT with improved and consistant framerate. At E3 Kojima apologized for the jittering video which he said would be polished in the final game. Hopefully they'll be at Leipzig to show the steady framerate as well as other improvements from E3 build.

:)Yeah, I agree. However, I won't be watching new trailers anymore, neither MGS4 ones nor MGS: PO ones. It will be tough to avoid them as well as any news until it's released, but I want the excitement to grow in me to the maximum extent. I did this with Snake Eater and I was pleasantly surprised all the time since nearly everything was new to me and that allowed me to enjoy every single bit from beginning to end.