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jaxmkii
08-31-2006, 09:11 PM
as a company having an exclusive is a good thing no need to point out why.

but as a gamer why to you folk cheer when you find out that a game is exclusive to just your console? how do YOU benifit? why would you want others to be denied the experiance?

i just dont get it am i missing something?:drunk:

Pluto
08-31-2006, 09:14 PM
There isn't anything to it besides bragging rights.

cliffbo
08-31-2006, 09:23 PM
i don't think it actually benefits the gamer, but i think its beneficial for the devs. its quite simple really: give me a game on every console and it becomes common place. once its common place and every one can play the expectation goes down because (rightly or wrongly) a lot of gamers like the idea of being able to wave a game in the oppositions face as an exclusive (check out the Assassins thread) this in turn eventually leads to lethergy towards a given title (see GTA)

on another note, i believe that if a title is on one console then the devs have to squeeze much more out of the console to justify the wait, but if they make it multi platform then the devs can make more money from the same game, taking smaller leaps in quality and extending its shelf life (again check GTA... what have they done?)

Rockstar: compromise and your dead...

Luis
08-31-2006, 09:23 PM
When a game is exclusive to a system, it can mean that it can be tailored to its specific features. There's a good chance that these games become memorable games simply because they exploit their system more effectively than multiplatform titles. It doesn't sound too good when we hear that a title due to PC, PS3 and 360 will look and feel exactly the same when we all know all systems are different. Obviously, the game won't be as good as it could have been on each platform.

yoshaw
08-31-2006, 09:24 PM
I'd love to answer. Why exclusive you ask?

- Because developers would concentrate more on the hardware with ample time distributed among story, gameplay and graphics instead of 360, PS3 and Wii. I'd rather they spend their resources on strengths of a single platform than to try and distribute it equally starting from Lowest common denominator.

- The real stars of the videogame industry are all exclusive platform developers. Yuji Naka, Yu Suzuki, Shigeru Miyamoto, Hideo Kojima, David Jaffe, Tetsuya Nomura, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Tomonobu Itagaki, Cliff Blezinski to name some off the top of my head. If these people have made a name of themselves in the industry, I believe its solely because of their allegiance for a single platform at any given time. If developers want to get mass recognition, they need to align themselves in one camp and a good one at that. A fairly decent example of this should be Ninja Theory. They are on PS side and everybody knows who they are and what they are working on. Wouldn't have happened if it were multiplatform game. Admittedly, this point is arguable.

Smokey
08-31-2006, 09:25 PM
but i think its beneficial for the devs
its also good for Console Makers, helps a system sell

Coded-Dude
08-31-2006, 09:35 PM
EA is the perfect example of why games are better off being exclusive.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A DEV TEAM FOR EACH CONSOLE
Basic programming, and porting doesn't take advantage of a systems hardware.
Whereas, when you target a specifc console and try to squeeze every ounce of power possible....you generally get yourself a game that will become legendary(cough MGS cough). Now some may disagree that being exclusive is good. I don't think its alwasy good, btu I do think its better than writing simple code so that it will painlessly port to 3-7 different platforms......thats jsut stupid if you ask me!

Pluto
08-31-2006, 09:54 PM
I'm not even sure he wanted to know all of that.

He asked from a GAMER's point of view, why do people gravitate toward exclusive games, than non exclusive..

- Wonders if anyone read the first post. -

Coded-Dude
08-31-2006, 09:59 PM
He asked from a GAMER's point of view, why do people gravitate toward exclusive games
Becasue they are generally more optimized, and have a much more solid code.......(more stable and enjoyable gameplay)
I woudl much rather buy some NFL footbal game that is gonna run correctly from the start, than have to worry about buying a port that is gonna have bugs, that is gonna require me to send my disk in, only to get a patched disk and a 15% discount on my next ported game.........I didi answer ther question correctly. You failed to understand the analysis correctly.

Pluto
08-31-2006, 10:05 PM
Whether or not I understood your 'analysis' is irrelevant.

His question was a lot more simple than what you gave back.

edoshin
08-31-2006, 10:07 PM
Couple of reasons I can think of:

1. Exclusive means the developer does not build to the lowest denominator, or even the common denominator. They can simply focus their resources to build an engine that maximizes a particular platform.

2. More top-tiered games exclusive to a particular platform will drive sales of the console .. bigger userbase means more reason for devs to put more project on the platform that can sell the most.

3 Simple bragging rights .. *yawn*

4. Signature series .. gives the console its identity and a reason why you simply must have that platform next gen. Benefits Sony/MS/Nintendo more than us .. but I sure am proud to own that console that has all the great games.

yoshaw
08-31-2006, 10:20 PM
Whether or not I understood your 'analysis' is irrelevant.

His question was a lot more simple than what you gave back.

Why not start off by answering the simple question yourself. I don't see how you're helping the thread by consistently pointing out the irrelevance of anyone else when you haven't posted anything of relevance yourself other than bragging rights.

Pluto
08-31-2006, 10:22 PM
I did offer the most simple answer I could give. If I could find any other reason to justify why I enjoy exclusive games rather than non-exclusive games, I'm sure I would have added that. :)

Editing your post, are you? Nice one. :)

cliffbo
08-31-2006, 10:23 PM
if a title is exclusive to a particular console i believe bragging rights aside it makes gamers feel confident that their console of choice will sell well and they will be able to enjoy the majority of the best games on their respective console with the knowledge that they will get a game with features that use their console to the full.

also as for devs if they only support one platform they can commit all their resources with no compromise whereas if they go multiplatform they must spread the resources between the consoles they will support.

thats another way of looking at it anyway.

:)

EvilTaru
08-31-2006, 10:29 PM
as a company having an exclusive is a good thing no need to point out why.

but as a gamer why to you folk cheer when you find out that a game is exclusive to just your console? how do YOU benifit? why would you want others to be denied the experiance?

i just dont get it am i missing something?:drunk:

Exclusive games tend to be tailored much more to the specific console's strength, while it doesn't mean an exclusive game has to be better than a multiplatform game because they might be from different developers, given the same developer and the same level of funding, an exclusive game will likely end up being a better product because more time is spent making sure the game works well with the console, so in effect you are getting a better game because it's exclusive from that particular developer.

Frankly I don't give a crap if someone else doesn't have the PS3 and ends up missing the experience because he should have a PS3, every gamer should have a PS3.

masteratt
08-31-2006, 10:35 PM
About 12 out of 15 posts are saying the same thing!

Am I the only one who reads what other people posted?!

Coded-Dude
08-31-2006, 10:36 PM
no - I am seeing the same pattern emerge........

venomv
08-31-2006, 11:29 PM
About 12 out of 15 posts are saying the same thing!

Am I the only one who reads what other people posted?!

I see 12 posts of people agreeing, pretty good sign they are onto something. By the way, I agree with the other 12, so make that 13.

liver_kick
08-31-2006, 11:31 PM
About 12 out of 15 posts are saying the same thing!

They're right though. Concurrent development = spreading of resources and on some level a watered down production more often than not. Not that its a universal truth, but the ratio of AAA games in a given generation tend to be exclusive to the dedicated platforms. There's so many advantages a studio has when they can target a specific system/architecture that the majority of the time its simply better for the end product. If gamers truly value quality over quantity & convenience they should cheer for exclusives no matter what the platform. Albiet its a lot harder on the wallet.

Siraris
08-31-2006, 11:55 PM
Exclusivity increases the size of my e-penis, so I can win more flame battles with trolls.

Every AAA exclusive gives +3 to girth, and every AA gives +2 to length.

edoshin
09-01-2006, 12:08 AM
Frankly I don't give a crap if someone else doesn't have the PS3 and ends up missing the experience because he should have a PS3, every gamer should have a PS3.

That about sums it up. I couldn't care less if Sony "loses" an exclusive, as long as its still in the Playstation lineup. What happens on the other console is irrelevant. But why would anyone NOT want a PS2? .. and I can see many reasons why PS3 will be just as compelling.

OmniStalgic
09-01-2006, 01:07 AM
Classic Example:

Prine of Persia-Multiplatform, Great game, Great fun.
God of WAR-Exclusive, Classic game, Great fun.

See the difference...BUt yeah we should really look at the BEGINNING of the threads-because every1 is repeating eachother...lol

btw-the biggest reason for gamers wanting exclusives is because u want to feel like u have the best console. If all ur games are on another system-ur gonna wonder why u don't have that other system??! Some1 brought this out and I'm simply reiterated for the people that want a simplier answer. For the hardcore gamers-it's more of multiplatform games tend to suck compared to exclusives...I think the original poster's question has been answered to death by now...

n1n9tean
09-01-2006, 01:16 AM
^Right. Confidence booster. The same reason people bash the competing consoles. PS3 bashing is at it's highest right now which as far as I can conclude must mean that participating fanboys are looking for that extra boost in confidence close to it's launch. Otherwise, who has time to gloat about exclusive titles or to degrade the opposing consoles for no reason?

This answer in addition to the obvious marketing advantages for the companies involved of course.

Nameless
09-01-2006, 01:40 AM
I'd love to answer. Why exclusive you ask?

- Because developers would concentrate more on the hardware with ample time distributed among story, gameplay and graphics instead of 360, PS3 and Wii. I'd rather they spend their resources on strengths of a single platform than to try and distribute it equally starting from Lowest common denominator.

- The real stars of the videogame industry are all exclusive platform developers. Yuji Naka, Yu Suzuki, Shigeru Miyamoto, Hideo Kojima, David Jaffe, Tetsuya Nomura, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Tomonobu Itagaki, Cliff Blezinski to name some off the top of my head. If these people have made a name of themselves in the industry, I believe its solely because of their allegiance for a single platform at any given time. If developers want to get mass recognition, they need to align themselves in one camp and a good one at that. A fairly decent example of this should be Ninja Theory. They are on PS side and everybody knows who they are and what they are working on. Wouldn't have happened if it were multiplatform game. Admittedly, this point is arguable.
Great post! with facts to support your claim... :cheers:

BahnNZ
09-01-2006, 01:49 AM
Exclusive! Why exclusive. Exclusive is the reason to buy a console or not. Simple as that. All this stuff about what's more powerful, 360 or PS3, is of absolutely no use in buying games. I still can't say which is more powerful, SNES or Genesis, nor do I care. But that's what people talk about on forums, price and power. They don't matter.

What matters is...

360: Halo, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Fable, Dead or Alive , Forza, Gears of War, Oblivion exclusive
PS3: Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter, Metal Gear, Heavenly Sword, MotorStorm, Resistance, Tekken,God of War, Ratchet & Clank exclusive
Wii: Metroid, Mario, Zelda exclusive.

All that matters. How many exclusives you have. Do you like these exclusives? Are they important to you? It's also the reason why a certain hi def disk format is better... :)

LaLiLuLeLo
09-01-2006, 03:47 AM
Identity, bragging rights...that's all I got.

VideoGame mania
09-01-2006, 03:50 AM
Well I find it if a system has more exclusives my purchase is justified.If the other system is 100- 200$ cheaper and it has the same games as PS3 it feels like I wasted my money on ps3.

LaLiLuLeLo
09-01-2006, 03:53 AM
Yeah. that too. You buy a system because there are games you just can't get on another.
If every system has the same games, there might as well just be one system to buy.

Siraris
09-01-2006, 04:37 AM
Well, no one seemed to appreciate my joke, so I'll be honest.

Obviously the biggest reason for exclusives is for people to brag about their system, that they have this wonderful game and the other consoles don't. Imagine if Halo had been on other consoles.

But for me, the biggest thing about exclusivity, at least for the most part, is that the developers are able to focus all their energy on one system, instead of developing for the lowest common denomenator. Since the PS3 is the most powerful system by far, I'd like to see exclusive games that really take advantage of its power.

ddaryl
09-01-2006, 05:35 AM
There isn't anything to it besides bragging rights.


This is very much not true.

I frown upon most all cross platform games. Simply because a cross platform game rarely takes full advatage of particular systems strengths.

A game designed specifically for the PS3 is going to more then likely , look, and play beter then a game desinged for multiple systems.

the fact is these machines are radically different enough that without individual attention to a specific platform you are going to end up with a game that is not fully optomized for that platform.


I personally will avoid most cross platform games for these reasons, not all but most. I always take a much bigger interest on any particular machies exclusives and 1st party offerings. This is why I am more of a Sony fan then an MS fan. I view Sony as having a much better stable of 1st party devs and exclusive games. As for Nintendo, I just never really ever liked Nintendo games, but that's just a personal opinon.

Luis
09-01-2006, 07:38 AM
Exclusivity increases the size of my e-penis, so I can win more flame battles with trolls.

Every AAA exclusive gives +3 to girth, and every AA gives +2 to length.LMAO!

OmniStalgic
09-01-2006, 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Siraris
Exclusivity increases the size of my e-penis, so I can win more flame battles with trolls.

Every AAA exclusive gives +3 to girth, and every AA gives +2 to length.disgusting man...sad its somewhat true for some gamers...


btw-the biggest reason for gamers wanting exclusives is because u want to feel like u have the best console. If all ur games are on another system-ur gonna wonder why u don't have that other system??! Some1 brought this out and I'm simply reiterated for the people that want a simplier answer. For the hardcore gamers-it's more of multiplatform games tend to suck compared to exclusives...I think the original poster's question has been answered to death by now...I'll just post my original comment cuz were still repeating each other hear in different words...

Undercover Cop
09-01-2006, 01:21 PM
Funny that these threads never come up when it's the other platform that gets the short straw...

X2_revolution
09-01-2006, 01:31 PM
None of us as gamers really benefit. It really comes down to fanboyism and the fact of knowing that these hot selling exclusive games make the manufacturer of the console want to make another console. I know we all have our own preferences of systems and you want a next gen system from that manufacturer, well, exclusive titles is what gives them the draw to want to make another console. Without exclusive titles what reason would you have for owning your console of choice? Why would you even want to buy multiple consoles?

Coded-Dude
09-01-2006, 03:13 PM
None of us as gamers really benefit.
that statement is not true....as I already pointed out; anyone who bought
either release of Madden for PSP got screwed due to lack of good development.
Such things are far FAR less prevalent on exclusive titles.

pari
09-01-2006, 03:40 PM
Actually Exclusives are the ones that help the gamers and pushes the envelope further in terms of gaming experience.

The reason Exclusives are needed are console hardware is a loss leader for the company. Sony and MS sell the console for loss on the expectation that they would make money from the software royalty.

If there is no exclusives, then how would the console makers SONY and MS differentiate from each other? Second what motivation does the third party developers have to improve the games for the particular console? They can make the game for the lowest common denominator.

Exclusive games work to balance the motives of each company. SONY and MS give either money or reduce the royalty for the exclusive games in return for better game play or gaming experience. In this scenario gamers win, example would the Mario64 in N64 (its a first party game but that pushed to platform experience). Now the developers also win because their expense for making the game is reduced. If it takes $10 million to develop and they make $50 million, either getting money upfront or reduced royalty increases their profit. Now SONY and MS might lose temporarily but they win because now they have game that defines the experience for the gamers. So the gamers buy their console and in turn more games, a vicious positive cycle.

Bottom line, exclusive games are the one that prevents the console from becoming commodity. Consumers win for a while with commodity but after they lose, PC has become a commodity that there is no innovation per se. And also force a healthy competition capitalistic principle.

Nintendo with its exclusive games did monopolistic behaviour which made the situation ripe for SONY to enter the gaming market. So exclusive games are not bad, they help to stimulate the competition, such everybody has a chance to win.

If SONY did not have exclusive games, would MS taken the route of LIVE for the console?

I think I should stop my rambling now.. :)

jaxmkii
09-01-2006, 07:12 PM
I'm not even sure he wanted to know all of that.

He asked from a GAMER's point of view, why do people gravitate toward exclusive games, than non exclusive..

- Wonders if anyone read the first post. - wow the new guy gets it:thumbl:

Fazares
09-01-2006, 07:16 PM
were desprate if were making such basic threads...exclusive why....?
why?:-/

jaxmkii
09-01-2006, 07:19 PM
^^^ to bring attention to a hiden form of fanboyism

Fazares
09-01-2006, 07:24 PM
lol...i agree with u....^^^

OmniStalgic
09-01-2006, 07:37 PM
^^^ to bring attention to a hiden form of fanboyismread above post...and check out the rant thread before it gets closed...i agree btw...