Sony’s Plans to deal with the Nintendo Revolution A.K.A. THE REVOLUTION KILLER

[Victor]

Sony’s Plans to deal with the Nintendo Revolution A.K.A. THE REVOLUTION KILLER

Has Sony got an ace up their sleeve or is it a card they’ve played before, with a new twist?
Is Sony ready to kill the Nintendo Revolution, an Adobe/Macromedia employee claims they are. Below is what the Adobe/Macromedia employee has stated.

“Sony is prepping our new mobile ‘Flash Lite’ platform for PSP and PS3. They intend to combat XBox Live Arcade with downloadable flash games to your PS3 and PSP. They understand the potential of Flash Lite since the development costs are low and we have a DRM solution in place so online content delivery is taken care of.

Got some PS2 info if you’re interested too. Sony intends to make it their ‘Revolution Killer’. They’re working on tying in Eye toy and some kind of controller similar to the Revolution controller. With a 100M+ user base, tens of thousands of mature and documented dev kits and the very low cost of producing Rev style games on the PS2 platform they’re expecting to mobilize another 50M units over the next 5 years precipitated by a $99 price point in 2007.”

With this plan could Sony once again trap Nintendo in a corner? Most definitely. With the known Revolution technology the PS2 could become a threat for any console including Sony’s own PS3. One problem, Sony doesn’t know what else the Revolution has in store, Nintendo has yet to revile their last secrete related to their next-gen console. With this information, Sony clearly sees Nintendo, once again as threat to their grasp on the console market. Rumble pad now this, fan boys are sure to be up in arms that Sony has copied Nintendo once again. E3 is sure to be as exciting as ever.

http://www.das-games.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1140663906&archive=&start_from=&ucat=36&

[Phoenix]

I really doubt this would do anything to Nintendo.

[masonite]

i highly doubt sony is planning to do this. the $99 price point will happen regardless of any other console manufacturer, people will keep pumping out games for the system for a few years yet (as they did with psone). the console doesn't have the power to recreate rev style controller interface, so it's simply not happening. sony will probably have small downloadable games, simply because it's the thing to do. namco classics could be in there too. but the whole "ps2 = rev killer" angle is totally wrong. since when are adobe the experts?

[Viral Mutation]

Wait...is this real?

-is dumf-

[OnBake Platinum]

Wait, so like...you can play flash games?

Who cares?

[Fallax]

I can't say much, for I don't want to get anyone introuble, but lets say Sony doesn't know how deep they are going. The controller this articvle is speaking of has been know for a while -- and it is UGLY. It doesn't work very well, either. And the 'Flash Lite' is just Sony's way of combating teh Virtual Console and Xbox Live Arcade. Honestly, I don't think there will be a major difference between the three services -- besides the fact that Nintendo's will be majorly cooler.

This all seems that Sony is afraid of what Nintendo might do. And they should be. I have a feeling there's more we don't know {about the Revolution}.

Lets just wait until E3 comes around. We might find out that all the HD stuff, all the Rev not being powerful...might just be worries that should have never come into our minds. And Sony just doesn't know anything....If what I know comes to be true (can't say, guys...sorry)...Sony might just not be King.

Wow, thats something I never thought I would say....

:banana:

[venomv]

Got some PS2 info if you’re interested too. Sony intends to make it their ‘Revolution Killer’. They’re working on tying in Eye toy and some kind of controller similar to the Revolution controller. With a 100M+ user base, tens of thousands of mature and documented dev kits and the very low cost of producing Rev style games on the PS2 platform they’re expecting to mobilize another 50M units over the next 5 years precipitated by a $99 price point in 2007.”

They have had a patent for that sinse before the Revolution control was revealed, and Fallax if you are talking about Spitfish's (or whatever the heck their name is) control for PS2 (looks like a big ugly bronze gun, thing) I'm pretty sure that isn't what they are talking about. Sony has a patent for something that uses eye-toy as a base, and basingly a brightly colored object of some sort to control movement.

[Viper]

Viper slaps his BS sticker on this one.

Indeed, Sony has a light pen pointer patented yet it's not sensitive to 3D space. It doesn't follow the full range of the axis.


It's also just noted the Rev will be nearly as powerful as the X360...can't be said for the PS2.

[Loomer]

I considered the possibility of Sony playing copycat again since the rev controller was first revealed. But not in this form...

Lollollollol... :D

[Generosity of God]

just remember that Nintendo keep things hidden because they think their ideas might get copied. they've stated that they have something in addition to the controller and for them to reveal the controller first (meaning its most likely get copied first) states how good the other secret may be. i'm sure they've said they might not even reveal that secret until much closer to the release.

[Shoorty0690]

The only thing i worry about is Nintendos game list. If they put them all out at once, whats left? All the other systems are making new "flash" games and such. Nintendo is sticking to all oldschool. Or, are they planning on making new 2d scrollers for the system and have them be downloadable over the net?
another possible secret?

<3ryry

[Coded-Dude]

I really hate how everything anybody in the gaming industry does is allegedly directed towards "ruining" the competition. If this is even true I would say they are doing it more so to MAKE MONEY!....NOT destroy the competition, but hey - think what you want.

[HolyPaladin]

The only thing i worry about is Nintendos game list. If they put them all out at once, whats left? All the other systems are making new "flash" games and such. Nintendo is sticking to all oldschool. Or, are they planning on making new 2d scrollers for the system and have them be downloadable over the net?
another possible secret?

<3ryry

I don't see why they couldn't/wouldn't provide totally new software for download. New software wouldn't be any different to download than old school software, and it's relatively cheap to crank out an SNES-quality video game, let alone a game on par with the NES.

[Victor]

The only thing i worry about is Nintendos game list. If they put them all out at once, whats left? All the other systems are making new "flash" games and such. Nintendo is sticking to all oldschool. Or, are they planning on making new 2d scrollers for the system and have them be downloadable over the net?
another possible secret?

<3ryry

Ah of course Nintendo is going to make new 2d scrollers ect to be downloaded. I remember when some Xbox executive was saying Nintendo was copying their Live arcade sevice. Iam not sure who said this but, someone from Nintendo said that they would provide original content to download as well, I hope that answers your question.

[Generosity of God]

and remember that Nintendo may not be the only one to make new games for download. small scale developers will no longer need as much money to have their games distributed as they can just have them available for download. Nintendo may even allow amateur's to develop simple games to help them get into the industry and get more experience and exposure.

[henryhund]

I really hate how everything anybody in the gaming industry does is allegedly directed towards "ruining" the competition. If this is even true I would say they are doing it more so to MAKE MONEY!....NOT destroy the competition, but hey - think what you want.

The main idea here is to destroy the competition so that when the competition is gone then you can make profit. That's the idea behind Microsoft's game division. And that would be the idea behind Sony's game division, if it wasn't already dominant enough to be profitable.

On the other hand Nintendo builds nice profit margins into everything, so it's always profitable.

[Phoenix]

The main idea here is to destroy the competition so that when the competition is gone then you can make profit. That's the idea behind Microsoft's game division. And that would be the idea behind Sony's game division, if it wasn't already dominant enough to be profitable.

On the other hand Nintendo builds nice profit margins into everything, so it's always profitable.To an extent, Nintendo does it too. Just not nearly as much as the others.

[dew]

i cant wait for the day when we all play somthing like madden '94 or rainbow 6 or even something like sonic on all the virtual console type systems and the "real" console wars start up. i know the virtual console stuff will not interconnect, but i have a very, very good feeling it will come to where high scores, times, coins, etc are posted to a leader board and it says what system you played it on. that would be cool. someone like EA or Tecmo or Sega could host the leaderboard, or websites could just post updated leaderboards of all the cross platform old school games.

also viper, where did you get this info? "It's also just noted the Rev will be nearly as powerful as the X360...can't be said for the PS2" - or was that sarcasm?

[Viper]

Developers have commented to IGN that once they started using the newest dev kits, their fears of the graphical capability was washed away (granted this could also mean that play control was so much fun they didn't care the graphics weren't up to par so take the statement as you will). The point against the PS2 is that even if Sony trys to use the PS2 as some form of Rev Killer, those that want the better graphics will not be gaining anything on the PS2 as they will with the Rev.

[dead718]

Yeah, there's absolutely no way that this could succeed. Better Graphics? Revolution. More functional controller? Revolution. More developers will want to develop for? Revolution. Which one looks COOLER? Revolution

I mean, the only way this could sell is because it has Sony stuck on it. Also, as I stated above, developers will be too busy developing for the more profitably rev, for about the same cost ( correct me if I'm wrong here.)

I just don't see this doing anything, even if this is real. All that COULD happen is more people buying the rev, if it's a Sony "idea" (for all those casual gamers who are retarded) and Nintendo has a better one, they'll go for that.

Well, all I can say in conclusion is;

nice try :)

[joelcool7]

What a flash player is the best Sony can come up with ? Fighting Nintendo's VirtualConsole and Microsofts arcade with a flash player is lauph able. Lets look at why a FlashPlayer can't beat Nintendo VirtualConsole or Microsofts Arcade. There is many reasons developer support, profit margins and the ability to control the distribution.

Developer support will be the biggest issue, with a flash player how many studios will through their support behind it. I just don't see Namco,Ubi-Soft or any other big companies making flash games for use on the PS3 or PSP. Sony will be stuck running over to NewGrounds for help and will be stuck with a ton of fanbased games. On the plus fan created Nintendo and Microsoft inspired titles like Halo:BloodCovenant or MarioBros will be playable on PSP and PS3. Not to mention no matter how many flash titles are made by great fans nothing can compare to the real deal Nintendo made classics and the experience they offer. A lack of talented developers will most likely keep Sony's new online network from ever being successful.

Profit, without profit the Flash player won't stand a chance against VirtualConsole or X-BoxLive Arcade. Nintendo will make a fortune off of its backlog, developers supporting X-Arcade will make money in royalties and both companies will prosper. Sony will make nothing unless they charge for the flashplayer service. In the end free poorly made games can't compete with cheap classics or arcade titles. Sony will only be loosing an opportunity to make more money and therefore hurt themselves.

No control over distribution is a huge player in whether such a device would benefit Sony. If Sony adds the software to their firmware on PSP or PS3 for free they will not profit. They have no way of controlling which titles are played on their systems. In fact Nintendo could do heavy marketing companies through flash to target the Sony user base and so could Microsoft. Sony would have to create their own flash software but people wouldn't need a PSP or PS3 they could use their PC's. In the end how could Sony prevent Nintendo/Microsoft gamers from simply playing their flash titles online. The flash system could backfire having tons of people turned off PSP and PS3 and turning towards PC emulation instead.

So whether its their in capability to control the flash titles, loss of profit and a large library of little known flash titles. The new Sony network sounds crappier every time I hear about it.

[venomv]

Developer support will be the biggest issue, with a flash player how many studios will through their support behind it. I just don't see Namco,Ubi-Soft or any other big companies making flash games for use on the PS3 or PSP. Sony will be stuck running over to NewGrounds for help and will be stuck with a ton of fanbased games. On the plus fan created Nintendo and Microsoft inspired titles like Halo:BloodCovenant or MarioBros will be playable on PSP and PS3. Not to mention no matter how many flash titles are made by great fans nothing can compare to the real deal Nintendo made classics and the experience they offer. A lack of talented developers will most likely keep Sony's new online network from ever being successful.

I don't think they said it will only be flash, but I think that is the point, what you rote right there. And EA makes Flash games, so why not other companies.

[joelcool7]

I don't think they said it will only be flash, but I think that is the point, what you rote right there. And EA makes Flash games, so why not other companies.

I know both Midway and EA have made flash games. For promotional purposes as far as I'm aware. Why not other major software companies you ask. Flash isn't that profitable like I said developers don't want to create something that only benefits Sony. Developers are far more inclined to support Arcade where they will see profits or even Nintendo's virtualConsole's arcade system. Nintendo is expected to announce an arcade style system as well at E3 for now only classics and remakes are being announced but many hints lead us to the belief that Nintendo will also have a section for new titles by smaller developers.

In total developers need to make profit if they don't they won't support flash even if it is in support of Sony. Sony will be stuck relying on fanbased games or miniclips/newgrounds for all their titles. Yeah if SOny has a virtualconsole style program it would benefit them greatly. I think Sony needs to offer their backlog online too if they want to survive as far as their online network in concerned.

[venomv]

http://www.pogo.com/home/home.jsp?sls=2&site=pogo

That is what I was talking about, I think at least some are done in flash, they aren't the best games but its flash. And I think it is mainly for indy devolopers, not big names, and probably not limited to flash, that's just what the article mentioned.