We are just scratching the surface of next gen consoles

[Cybercell3003]

We are just scracthing the surface of next gen consoles, one reason why I say so is that I've been keeping myself updated on the latest news by watching E3. I have heard them say things like the demo that was shown for Killzone is actually game play, and that the Ps3 graphics will even look way better than that when the final product roles out. I really think people are under- estimating both the Ps3 and Xbox360, when you think of next gen, just think of computer chip advancement over the last five years.
I think Xbox-360 has made a bold leap but they are just keeping it quiet for now, and then strike us with suprise later. Some of the games they showed like Gears of War truly looks next gen, it is kinda scary when you look at the graphics.
What do you guys think :?:

[Fazares]

We are just scracthing the surface of next gen consoles, one reason why I say so is that I've been keeping myself updated on the latest news by watching E3. I have heard them say things like the demo that was shown for Killzone is actually game play, and that the Ps3 graphics will even look way better than that when the final product roles out. I really think people are under- estimating both the Ps3 and Xbox360, when you think of next gen, just think of computer chip advancement over the last five years.
I think Xbox-360 has made a bold leap but they are just keeping it quiet for now, and then strike us with suprise later. Some of the games they showed like Gears of War truly looks next gen, it is kinda scary when you look at the graphics.
What do you guys think :?:
of course, devs not even own final dev kits...and even so, it will take years before they will hernass next gen full power...

[rpgamer_2k5]

Cybercell3003: I'm pretty sure the Xbox 360 demos are more closer to their final state than the PS3 counterpart. The Xbox 360 is releasing soon (Nov 2005), so the dev't kits out must be close to the final version.

[HGwells]

You've got two very similar threads kill one.

[mckmas8808]

No actually the PS3 dev kits are closer to being finished then the Xbox 360s.

[Schmeh]

No actually the PS3 dev kits are closer to being finished then the Xbox 360s.

How do you figure? The RSX isn't even in production yet and from what I read they aren't expecting it to be done for at least a couple months.

[cpiasminc]

Yeah, apparently, UK developers will have beta PS3 hardware sometime soon. Moreover, they already have devkits with beta CPU hardware, though not GPU. But most developers won't see X360 beta hardware (CPU/GPU/audio/anything) until about 3-4 months or so before release. Given the history with new consoles, I'd have to say 360's schedule is pretty average, though.

[JetBlackRX89]

No actually the PS3 dev kits are closer to being finished then the Xbox 360s.

Please tell me managed to work that out. Seriouslly, tell me. I need a good laugh.

PS3 = 2006 X-Box = Nov 2005.

X-Box isn't as much next-gen as PS3. Sadly, a lot of my friends r getting the 360 simply because it's coming out first and hearing of a 2006 release for PS3 is a turn off.

I believe there's a chance x-box might be able pull graphics as good as ps3 is now, but by that time PS3 will be 5 steps ahead.

[xbdestroya]

That's enough of the fanboy calling. Mckmas8808 would hardly fit anyone's description of a fanboy, let alone an XBox fanboy. When possible, please leave all the baggage of the typical forums and fanboy wars at the door when posting here.

[cpiasminc]

I'm also lost as to how his post could designate him an Xbox fanboy as it pretty clearly suggests that Sony's production ramp for CELL is doing better than 360's production rate for any of its parts.

[rpgamer_2k5]

I'm also lost as to how his post could designate him an Xbox fanboy as it pretty clearly suggests that Sony's production ramp for CELL is doing better than 360's production rate for any of its parts.

But not the RSX. However, the Xbox 360 developer kits are certainly very close to a final build if they are expecting to release in 5-6 months. The Xbox 360 kits are very close to spec, while on the other hand the PS3's kits have yet reached the actual power of the PS3.

[imported_The_One]

I'm also lost as to how his post could designate him an Xbox fanboy as it pretty clearly suggests that Sony's production ramp for CELL is doing better than 360's production rate for any of its parts.

But not the RSX. However, the Xbox 360 developer kits are certainly very close to a final build if they are expecting to release in 5-6 months. The Xbox 360 kits are very close to spec, while on the other hand the PS3's kits have yet reached the actual power of the PS3. Actually, the contrairy is true. PS3's dev kits are closer to PS3's final power than the XBox 360 alpha kits (I'm still under the impression that devs only have the alpha kits and not the beta ones yet). Unless, of course, the Xbox 360 devs have already recieved their beta kits, which probably won't be 3-5 months before release, like cpiasminc said.

X-Box isn't as much next-gen as PS3. Sadly, a lot of my friends r getting the 360 simply because it's coming out first and hearing of a 2006 release for PS3 is a turn off. Well, that's the advantage of releasing your console first. You get the snatch the market while there's no competition yet.

[Mordecai]

Ok, I just want to set this straight... the devs working on the X360 currently are stuck with a dual G5 Mac PC running at around 2.5 GHz with 1 ATI X850XT in it. The PS3 devs currently have a dev kit with the CELL processor in it, and 2 6800 Ultra's running in SLI. The PS3 dev kits are much more powerful and are much closer to final spec. As cpiasminc said, it's pretty normal for new consoles to only get their beta dev kits out 3-5 months before launch. What this does mean, however, is that PS3's devs will have much longer to get their games optimized for launch and therefore PS3 should have better looking games when it comes out than X360.

[mckmas8808]

Well, that's the advantage of releasing your console first. You get the snatch the market while there's no competition yet.

Typically this is true, but read the next quote.


it's pretty normal for new consoles to only get their beta dev kits out 3-5 months before launch. What this does mean, however, is that PS3's devs will have much longer to get their games optimized for launch and therefore PS3 should have better looking games when it comes out than X360.

Now that quote could easily be true. If PS3 devs in the UK get the final GPU around the same time X360 devs get full beta kits, that would mean the PS3 devs have about 6 additional months to develop their games. And remember what Epic did in only 2 months in the Unreal demo.

[cpiasminc]

That's most likely the general basis behind the whole "shooting for 30fps" comment that the majority of 360 developers are going for. It's not that they expect poor performance, it's that they're completely shooting in the dark. There's no way to tell if the code they're writing right now is going run efficiently or use resources effectively. They don't know if the new DirectX driver model is going to totally blow or run like lightning, although most technical review would tell you that it should at least be faster than the NT model that we're using nowadays.

And 3-5 months is not a hell of a lot of time if you're working on launch titles. The safest assumption is that you're NOT being efficient and you're NOT effectively using resources. So of course, you undershoot.

[mckmas8808]

Well I guess its good that the PS3 devs will be getting there betakits in the next few months.