Ps2? ... Um .. Ew ...

[Kliq]

I went to my friend's house and I played NBA 2k3 there. I also played NBA 2k3 before for Gamecube. I was surely surprised when I saw the graphical differences. The ps2 version was not smooth at all .. it was choppy and slow and sucked. The player models were jagged. Almost everything in the ps2 version (expect for online) lagged behind Gamecube.


It's a real shame that Sega is discountinuing the series on Gamecube. I just noticed how much stronger Gamecube is graphically.

[PhixedDice]

Yes, the PS2's hardware is weak compared to GC and XBox..

Buuut, I could care less.

[DODGE the VIPER]

Not really :rolleyes: Have any of you by chance happened to play Gran Turismo 3?

[sagara0510]

this just goes to show it doesn't matter which console is superior hardware wise. it just matters which console sells the software better

[Kliq]

I know some games look great on Ps2 ... I just noticed that ports look much better on everything but ps2. I'm sure if Gran Turismo came to Gamecube, it woujld make the Ps2 version look like shit.

[DODGE the VIPER]

Not really. Have you played Gran Turismo 3 (Again asking)?

Some of the other ports are that good on the gamecube because they have less features and more bland graphics (NFS: HP2).

[Silent Warrior]

i like my ps2..

[DODGE the VIPER]

Same here. I don't know anyone that doesn't like their ps2 :)

[dwhittenempire]

There isnt a big difference between hardware capabilities between Gamecube and Playstation 2 besides the fact one is little better than the other, but not big enough to make a huge difference in graphics.

[DODGE the VIPER]

Exactly my point. When Phixed Dice said that the GCN and XBOX's graphics were superior, that's what i was objecting.

[PhixedDice]

I never meant it in such a way that I was trashing the PS2's graphical capabilities, because it does have some nice looking games.

What I mean was GC and Xbox are stronger than the PS2 hardware wise.

[Future Starlocke]

You can't object it... it's the truth.

Pikmin looks superior to Gran Turismo 3 graphically... and YES, I have played it. The graphics are jagged, and there is no true environment mapping on the cars still. Framerate is right on, load times are a bitch, it's got licensed cars, it'd be nice to be able to test drive them in open cities, but you're still limited to a track.

Remember that in driving games... developers only need to create a game that looks good moving straight ahead through it all. If you want to compare graphic capabilities, you've gotta think world maps. So far, Mario Sunshine at a distance with graphical effects, many differing textures, and the water effects in the game look better than most PS2 games out there.

Remember, I like PS2. Final Fantasy X pumps out the visuals, but there's very little effects being applied to the game... it's almost straight up 3d, which is fine, but it's the little extras that add realism. I don't need to be in denial about it, just the hardware alone suggests the NGC is more capable than PS2.

But, this is a throw back to the PSX-vs-N64 days... when N64 still had the more powerful console, just smaller disk space. When a 2CD PSX game hit the N64 though, all those bitches were silent...

[Hisham]

When will u people learn it about the gameplay and NOT THE GRAPHICS.

[Diesel]

Originally posted by Future Starlocke
You can't object it... it's the truth.

Pikmin looks superior to Gran Turismo 3 graphically... and YES, I have played it. The graphics are jagged, and there is no true environment mapping on the cars still. Framerate is right on, load times are a bitch, it's got licensed cars, it'd be nice to be able to test drive them in open cities, but you're still limited to a track. Oh, and an apple looks just like an orange...

[DODGE the VIPER]

Load times aren't that bad (10 secs at the most). If you wanted to compare to a world map, what about Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. It is way bigger than any level in SMS or Pikmin, yet maintains good graphics.

[dwhittenempire]

The good thing about Gamecube is the quick loading time compared to Ps2.

[Peter]

Loadijg times are quick for official games, lazydevelopers who can be bothered have their games with long loading times. It depends if your making use of the gamecubes hardwear or not

[Future Starlocke]

PS2: Any game on it loads faster on NGC. It's just fact (as far as max time is concerned).

The worst example of loading time belongs to Smackdown (3? Not the newest one) on PS2... we literally waited for about 30-40 seconds for a created wrestler to save.

Vice City... doesn't compare to SMS. I am so disappointed and bored with Vice City. If it weren't a Grand Theft Auto game, it'd be rated as being one of the most average games of all time. Animation is choppy (and you know it), the frame rate is as inconsistant as old milk (and you know it), and there's that obnoxious blur filter applied to the game all the time that beautifully masks the game's short pop-up distance (not the same as draw distance, mind you). If Rockstar decides to pull their heads out of their ass and starts porting (and optimizing) this game for NGC, you WILL see the improvements left and right.

[Future Starlocke]

Yes, I've also played the newest Smackdown game, and it's wonderful. It's a fine example of optimized load times.

Yes, I know some games load just as fast on PS2 as they do on NGC, but that's because games are straight ported over and not optimized for NGC.

I know biased PSX fanboys just as I know biased Nintendo and X-Boy$. I've heard all the "Gaystation", "Pretendo Sixty Whore" and "X-Sux" arguements before. You look at the consoles for what they are. Of all the next-gen platforms, Sony comes up the weakest. If you don't mind loading times, then you will enjoy Sony's offerings... but then again, all consoles now experience loading times. The trick is, keeping those load times to a minimum. Playing games like Super Smash Brothers Melee, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Super Mario Sunshine, and Metroid Prime, you realize just how seamless and fast the NGC can be. Nothing on PS2 (save perhaps for the next Activision Classics disk) can compare to those access times.

[Nintendohead]

Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Not really. Have you played Gran Turismo 3 (Again asking)?

Some of the other ports are that good on the gamecube because they have less features and more bland graphics (NFS: HP2).
I have GT3 the graphics are awesome,it's also a good racing game.

[DODGE the VIPER]

Glad to see i have some backing there.

[Future Starlocke]

What backing? I didn't say GT3 was bad... but doesn't necessarily shine as any technologically better than NGC offerings...

[Black Prophecy]

I think that PS2 are just a little behind NGC and Xbox, but not much of a difference.

[DODGE the VIPER]

Yes they are behind in the "technical" aspect, but yet they have much more quality games + i think the technical stuff is still good considering it was released over a year before Xbox and NGC.

[Future Starlocke]

Exactly. A year head start on everything (games too, sucka). All the good stuff is coming on Gamecube this next year as well...

Dude, I ain't saying PS2's a bad system, it's just the weakest of the 3 New Consoles. Am I saying that's bad? No... I play my friends PS2 all the time... I will be buying one when the PS2 Price comes down to about $129... as was my original plan.

"I'll wait on PS2 until Gamecube, GBA, and Xbox come out... that way, I can get my Gamecube and the games I'm excited for coming out on it, then buy PS2 when the price drops and get the games on it for $20 when they become best-sellers".

I've got Gamecube and now GBA... I'm set until PS2 decides to lower itself to the price I'd pay for it.

[Future Starlocke]

Okay, here you go...

PS2 games I want:
Final Fantasy X
WWE Smackdown 4: Shut your Mouth
Onimusha 2
Disaster Report
Xenosaga
Harvest Moon: Save the Homeland

Any of those end up going to Gamecube? I'll get the cube version.

Gamecube Games I want:
Final Fantasy CC
Animal Crossing
Mortal Kombat V
Evolution Worlds
Summoner 2
Zelda and the Fuckin' Wind
007: Nightfire
Timesplitters 2
Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse
Legends of Wrestling II
Starcraft: Ghost
Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life

Harvest Moon on Gamecube? Well, I guess that's one less for the PS2 List...

[DODGE the VIPER]

Nice name for Celda.

[Future Starlocke]

Well... it's better than "Leisure Suit Link"

[DODGE the VIPER]

lol, or little baby link.

[crazyeven]

PS2 is not a carful paid to with quality. As game cube is.

[sagara0510]

nice list future starlocke :)
pretty damn similar to mine!
cept i have MP and RE0 still on mine cos they aint released here yet

[Kliq]

Yea, that list is kind of like mine as well. I can't wait until Zelda .. I don't give a shit what the game is called .. gimme :)

[DODGE the VIPER]

Resident Evil 0 has been released in Australia sagara...:)

[sagara0510]

Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Resident Evil 0 has been released in Australia sagara...:)

WTF!?!

are you serious?! since when? i thought the release date was Febuary 28 2003!

damnit! *rushes out to find RE0 in stores*

[DODGE the VIPER]

Well it has even been out in the Big W, its been out for about 2 months now!

[Future Starlocke]

You guys are full of bull. Wait for the new Mystical Ninja game to be released...

[DODGE the VIPER]

Err, i have never heard of "mystical Ninja".

[Future Starlocke]

You wouldn't.

The game has only had about 10 incarnations in the past, including a freakin' PS2 version.

It's Goemon!

[DODGE the VIPER]

ohhh. Goemon, that was on the Nintendo 64.

[sagara0510]

2 months?

i can't seem to find it anywhere!
i've checked EB and K-mart 2day to no avail. guess i'll try Big W 2morrow

EDIT: hey Dodge, r u sure its RE0 and not RE1 remake?

[DODGE the VIPER]

Really? Big W here has about 5 copies of it. Civic Video has one for rent.

[Link of Zelda]

whATS WRONG WITH THE gc dODge

[Mike]

ps2 sucks you know what....its horrible...

[DODGE the VIPER]

I didn't say anything was that wrong with the GC, just that i prefer the Playstation 2 over it...

[scizor666]

Originally posted by Black Prophecy
I think that PS2 are just a little behind NGC and Xbox, but not much of a difference.

Actually ... I'm gonna have to disagree with you ... I have ALL 3 SYSTEMS and I can say that in terms of graphics and load times the PS2 is by far the worst ... the best are the GameCube and the X-Box ... they both have great games that have amazing graphics ... Metroid Prime being the best by far. Also of every ported game i've played, the X-Boxes usually have the cleanest graphics overall, but you can honestly barely notice it when compared to GC ... to the PS2 however it is very noticable.

Even the PS2 games that have the BEST graphics (MGS2, FFX and GT3 being prime example ... GTA3 and GTA:VC DO NOT have really good graphics, there are too many frame-rate drops, freezing within the game iteself and the draw-distance and pop-up are atrocious ... although that game is doing the best it can with the limited hardware capabilities of the ps2) really can't compare to games like MP, RE / REO, SW:RL and Halo, whose graphics are a true testament to what those systems are capable of handling.

Spec wise aswell ... the PS2 sadly falls at the bottom of the pack with the GC and the X-Box far ahead of it. The PS2 is a year old ... the GC and XB are only 1, and in the extra year it took before they were released, Nintendo and Microsoft creatyed the best systems that they could and surpassed the PS2 hardware by far.

In the end though .. It really doesn't matter ... graphics are NOTHING compared to the GAMEPLAY ... which is the true king in the end. A game could look un-fucking-beliveable ... but if it sucks to play, what the hell is the point. Take Animal Crossing ... that game has SHIT graphics and yet it is easily one of my favourite games on the GC and is a total blst to play. Graphics are NOTHING, gameplay is EVERYTHING.

[DODGE the VIPER]

So then why are you saying that GTA III and GTA VC are crap if graphics don't matter? You have contradicting opinions, my friend.

[Future Starlocke]

Maybe because GTAIII and VC have shit gameplay as well?

[scizor666]

Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
So then why are you saying that GTA III and GTA VC are crap if graphics don't matter? You have contradicting opinions, my friend.

I NEVER said that GTA3 or GTA :VC were crap, just the graphics.

I just think that GTA:VC is too much of a rehash of GTA3 and it honestly feels as if I've already played this game once before. I've had the damn game since the first day it was released and about less than a week later I haven't touvhed the game since. I'm actually bored and sick of that game, it's a shame too cause I was really looking forward to this game and when it was finally released I was very dissapointed by it.

It's not a bad game by no means ... It's just that I feel like I've already played the game before (GTA3) and that's not something I like to feel when i'm playing a suppposedly "all new" game.

[Future Starlocke]

That's the problem for marking out over games... sometimes you're blinded by the franchise.

I saw GTA III coming up, and I was like, "dude... finally the graphics will match the action".

Playing GTA III for about 2 hours straight, now I felt the action didn't measure up to the graphics.

It's basically the same ploy that BMX XXX tried to pull on the world recently. Here, BMX XXX had none to spectacular controls, none too spectacular graphics, but it had lots of profanity and sex. Then, GTA III had none to spectacular controls, above average graphics (but that annoying blur filter... poor man's anti-aliasing), lots of profanity and implied sex.

The difference is, BMX XXX has bikes, and GTA III had guns and death. When it comes down to the wire, violence sells, and that's why BMX XXX was a flop.

[DODGE the VIPER]

I guess so, but i quite like the gameplay in GTA III and Vice City. I still play GTA III on my computer and i play GTA: VC on the PS2. It has good gameplay, it just depends on what genre you like.

[bryan]

I like my PS2, and I don't care if you don't.

[The Destroyer]

I would have to agree with the bulk of you, I do not believe my PS2 was a worthy purchase. When compared to Gamecube & Xbox, there is no hope for the PS2. Since I picked up my Xbox at launch, I have truely not played my PS2 for a second (with the exception of Vice City a while back). Since Xbox Live has launched, I simply do not want to even look at my PS2 anymore. The same can be said with the Gamecube, as Metroid Prime has kept me more satisfied then my PS2 ever had. Just goes to show ya, how much PS2 blows when compared to the other two!

[Future Starlocke]

Well... how much it blows *for you*.

PS2 has some games on it, that, for the time being don't look like they'll be coming to cube, and that's why I'm after a PS2... but not until the price point comes down. I didn't mind paying the $199 for a Gamecube it's first week on sale, because immediately it had games I wanted to play... Tony Hawk 3, Super Smash Brothers Melee, I rented Rogue Squadron, Pikmin and all that.

I have bought (to date) 6 NGC games... and I look for that to double by the end of next year. The only other console that I had bought over 10 games for was the NES... so the NGC is shaping up really well... the NGC is like the Nintendo's rennaisance, wether or not people would like to admit it. This is the console they're looking to the past on and saying "Wow... we sure as hell came a long way".

PS2 doesn't have that lineage, but it does have it's foothold in the gaming industry with the most respectable run with the PSX. Not many companys can say their first console effort was a best seller, and even took over the majority of the market from Nintendo. I owned a PSX, and some of the best games I've played were on PSX (Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 7, Castlevania- Symphony of the Night). But something Sony has never been and Sony fanboys have never been was humble. They neglect to remember that companies like Konami, Square, Enix, Capcom and others were nursed off the tit of Nintendo.

"The big players today were children that lived or died by the Nintendo".

If Nintendo's tactics in the past were considered harsh, almost monopolized, then Nintendo's tactics today are damned easy. Inexpensive, un stealable mini discs... low overhead, faster development cycles with it's dev kits. Nintendo now wants lots of games coming out fast and wants more developers to come over.

For those who haven't noticed, it's working. Squaresoft, who was most notably anti-Nintendo during the failing N64 days, is now back on the scene. Capcom, who has had weak showings since the start of N64, now pledges 6 exclusive franchises to Nintendo. This is the first time in history where Super Mario, Crash Bandicoot, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Spyro the Dragon are all on one console... and it's Nintendo.

Gamers either don't realize or are on their way to realizing that the Nintendo Gamecube is the second coming of the Nintendo Entertainment System.

All the 14, 15 year olds that are out there now, they don't remember what it was like waiting on line for Super Mario Brothers 3... now they just preorder it off of the net and it comes to their door the day of release. They don't know what it was like going to the street corner and selling off all 500 of your pogs and metallic slammers to try and get $20 to "go halves" on a game with your brother. Hell, the boys today play a game with a little squirt of blood here and there and all of a sudden they're more mature than God damned anyone on the block. Hell, I remember when it used to be cool to keep rewinding to the part in Total Recall were the chick with three boobs took off her shirt... so I can relate to the "bloody games = mature games" thesis.

You don't even have to be an old school gamer to see what's up. Guys like Microsoft promise XBox Live, Grand Scale Graphics and all of that. Back in the day, Sega used to try and pull the same deal. I'm sure we're all VERY fond of our Sonic the Hedgehog titles featuring Blast Processing. Nintendo Gamecube is the only next-gen console with no special gimmicks ('cept for the handle which I actually found myself using the other day). Nintendo Gamecube offers straight gaming. You want online gaming? It's available for NGC. You want multi? Some games that come out on NGC are the only version that has 4P multi. You wanna make your own maps? You can. You wanna customise textures? You can. You want blood and guts? You've got it. You want sex? You've got it. You want games? You've got it.

You wanna watch DVD movies? Uh... well golly goshums! You can't! My my my... I take back everything I said! Nintendo Gamecube is a complete waste! Shut the fuck up... I can't believe some of the idiot kids out there actually say that. The "FMV" is another cheap trick that Sony used to lure so many of the gamers from N64. All of a sudden, if there wasn't full screen video, the game wasn't worth playing. Believe me... I've seen it. An old "Final Fantasy 7 vs Zelda: OOT" arguement was "Final Fantasy 7 had FMVs... something N64 can't even handle".

Well when Resident Evil 2 came out on N64... a two-CD game on a single cart with all FMVs and high res graphics... I didn't hear a damn peep from the PSXers then. That's called "The moment of realization", and that moment has yet to come in the next-gen wars... but don't feel bad, it's only been on for a year. In 2003, possibly 2004, Xbox and PS2 will get the proveribial dickslap it needs gamers look past the hype, past "what everyone else is going for", and see the floodgates being opened with NGC.

Everything that Nintendo could have done right, they have done with the NGC. It has games that appeal to everyone, and all the hot sellers that everyone's after on other consoles (Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Lord of the Rings, Summoner, Red Faction II, Enter the Matrix, Starcraft: Ghost and others) are all coming to NGC as well... in some cases, with improved graphics, framerate, multiplayer for the NGC version (over say, the PS2 version).

Has this damned scripture been the act of a Nintendo fanboy? No. Credit goes where credit's due, PS2 is a good console with games people want to play, and it's on its way to forming it's legacy... it's "The new Sega". The Nintendo has been there and looks like it will stick around for a while longer. Xbox is just the young punk of the next gen wars, the rich kid we all hate in real life. Xbox is the guy who's watch has a little more gold on it, the car that goes faster than your car, the school that teaches him better than your school. It's almost as if Xbox were developed for someone better than all of you, and the fact that Xbox has to lower it's prices so "the poor trash that can't afford one otherwise" can get one should be taken as an insult, rather than a buying point. NGC was made for games, and the price reflects it. It's more of a system than the PS2 is and costs less. The PS2 costs less than an Xbox, and the PS2 has better games on it.

Xbox is what you get when rich people are trying to tell you what to buy to fit in... and you hate it when rich people do it, so why would you follow that trend with something as menial as picking your video game system? Xbox is all kinds of wrong for gamers, I don't care how many ways it covers it up. Have you read any of the "Top (number)" lists for Xbox? You would honestly think they were trying to sell to retarded blind 4 year olds. NGC ads on TV (even the crappy old ones with the glass cube) jumped right in and showed the games. No "MADE BY SQUARESOFT" "CAPCOM" or whatever flashing on the screen... it says "Super Smash Brothers Melee" "Starfox Adventures" "James Bond: Agent Under Fire".

I hope we've all matured past the point to where we don't buy Converse sneakers and call them "Chuck Taylors"... we don't buy Nike Jackets because they say "Nike"... they're shoes and jackets man. They're comfy, but there's far better out there than canvas sneakers and sports jackets... you just gotta choose between looking good and feeling good, and in 2003, Xbox owners won't be feeling too good about their investment... especially the ones that bought theirs for $600 on ebay.

Dumbasses.

[scizor666]

:stupid:

That was written very well ... give yourself a tap on the shoulder. Their wasn't too much fanboyism ... just your opinion organized very well. It was easy to understand and see your stance on the various consoles on the market.

[Future Starlocke]

Yeah.

HEY BOSS! STICK THIS ON NINTENDOFIRE.COM!

Maybe. I won't be hurt me if you don't...

[DODGE the VIPER]

I have 2 games for my GCN, when i compare that i bought 14 for the N64 and 13 for the SNES that's a real shame. And i haven't played my GCN hardly ever, maybe two weeks total...I wish i hadn't bought one *sighs*...I could've got something else for 300 bucks... :(

I have about 11 games for my PS2 and i regularly switch between each one, and it is definitely my fave out of the three (i have played xbox games). :)