why you shouldn't get a NDS

[Rallyracr420]

I can some it up into one word: emulators.

In time, I have no doubt that with the ability to run programs on the PSP off of Sony's Memory Stick, that some guy out there will create an emulator on the PSP that handles the Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, and NDS.

Granted, it'll be hard to emulate dual screens on Sony's single screen, but with the resolution available on the PSP, I can imagine someone can come up with some innovative way to say, switch back and forth between displaying the two screens. As for the touchscreen, this will be hard to emulate without some additional hardware, but at least the PSP will be able to emulate the huge library of GB and GBA games already out there. The PSP is way more than powerful enough.

So you buy the PSP and a decent sized Memory Stick, and some hackers out there throw in the GB and GBA (and maybe the DS) for free. Nice.

[Stinkin Mushroom]

If I can play PS2 quality games with my PSP i'll never wanted to play GBA- games ... so what you say is a little bit stupid :lol:

The positive things about the NDS is the fact that it has 2 screens and the touchscreen and you say it yourself, that you can't emulate...

[Rallyracr420]

Quality of graphics of the PSP over the GB line hardly surpasses the importance of gameplay, and lets face it, the GB had that down solid. I'm not saying I'm gonna buy a PSP only to play GB games..yes that would be retarded. But with an emulator, you turn the PSP's debuting small library of games into a library of thousands.

And why stop at the GB and GBA? Add into that the N64, SNES, Sega Genesis, PS1, and all the other emu's out there. If we can run code directly from the Memory Sticks, there's a huge opportunity there.

And as for emulating the NDS, it would be difficult. What if the touchscreen stylus was tied into the PSP's analog stick? What if you could switch back and forth between the two DS screens by simultaneously tapping the R and L shoulder buttons? No, definitely not impossible.

I couldn't find the quote, but I agree when Nintendo had someone mention that the days when graphics meant everything to the gamers are behind us.

[neptunez]

whatever....


I'm still getting an NDS.

[Makaveli_786]

It seems like a good idea with emulators(you could probably even emulate Dreamcast games) but I think it would be crappy trying to emulate the DS.

The touch screens are a problem which probably could be conquered but its still not convenient enough for me, id rather buy a DS.

[benzo]

I don't care for emulators, and I'm getting the NDS and the PSP and no fan boy or critic can tell me other wise!

[Kiwi]

Same here. Sure, there's bound to be an emulator for it. So what?

I'm still going to buy the thing nevertheless, and it looks like the same goes for everybody else on here too.....

[richjwild]

ye i think ill end up gettin both (balls to university,im saving for games not that)

[Kiwi]

Haha. Just get a student loan, you don't have to pay it off until you're making more than around £15,000 per annum.

[richjwild]

im too young to be thinkin about loans, iv only just done my yr9 sats! :?

[Kiwi]

OK then, maybe a little too early.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah way too early, shit you havent reached puberty let alone university :shock:

[richjwild]

back on topic, it would be excelent to have sum emulators working on the psp, you cud pretty much have anything, bar the current generation consoles

added- iv reached puberty, im in yr 9 (14) :D

[Makaveli_786]

Damn I bet the PS3 will be able eo emulate the Nextbox :shock:

Yeah it would be nice having emulators on the PSP, you could play your Ardace, 8bit, NES, SNES, PS1, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast GB/GBA games on one little portable console, picture that :shock:

[Loc]

To emulate the touch screen on the Nintendo DS. Just use the Keyboard acessory, start touching it with fingers for simulating touch screen.

[Pumster]

As far as emulation is concerned, these programs will always be around. With cartridge-based games, perfect copies can be produced as stand-alone files, such as "Super_Mario_64x4.nds." Emulators that mimic CD-Based consoles, however, have two choices - a stand-alone file, such as ISO's, or a program that requires the physical game. (For example, Playstation emulators, such as ePSXe, require the CD itself.) It's worth noting that emulation presents a slightly larger concern to the Nintendo DS since it's a cartridge-based handheld. (However, like Makaveli_786 pointed out, emulating the Stylus Screen may be difficult.) As for the PSP, CD Drives have always had a sunken area available for these smaller-sized CD's. (Even the PS2 has it.) Therefore, while PSP emulation will require the CD itself, (In most cases.) the act itself is a valid concern for both companies.

[Danji]

The PS3 emulating the Xbox Next is possible I believe. I don't think, however, that it will do it well. The xbox seems to have the advantage of graphic effects and that may carry over to the Xbox Next. What I mean by graphic effects is Vertex Shaders and various other similar effects. But, the PS3 might pull through with a better selection of graphic effects, unlike the PS2.

[Olz]

Ok people can i just say one or two things before you get carried away. This is a PSP goddit PSP forum not a PS3 or exbox or nextexbox forum. Talk about PSP. Gees i'm suprised the forum moderator has joined in this conversation and not locked it or said "Go back to talk about PSP" already.

Sorry I dont like to be annoying but it was quite annoying seeing PS3 etc in a PSP forum that is slighly wandering away from the main topic.

Also some of you dont realise that emulating games from previous machines takes up huge amounts of power. This is power that the PSP doesn't have. Do you realise that to emulate a GBA you need a 1.2GHz PC with lots of other powerful features. PSP just simply wouldnt have the power. The reason for so much power needed for emulation is because the language that GBA games is written in is different from what PC's and PSP will use. They have to "translate it" into a language that they can understand and then work on it. The PSP operating system will be designed to run C or C++ PSP games no doubt not GBA language games.

To put this into context: it would be like trying to do a really long calculus or quadratic equation without a calculator and the instructions of how to solve it (if you didnt already know how to do them) being in French. It is slow and hard. A poor example i know sorry. (It was all i could think of!)

[Pumster]

Whoa, calm down. This information is all relevant to the gaming community, and this topic is specifically aimed at emulation. (Therefore, we are, technically, on-topic.) As for the possibility of PSP/DS emulation, I wouldn't rule anything out. After all, I've seen programmers do some amazing things in their spare time, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is achieved at some point. While it may not be possible initially, due to the "limited" power of current PC's, that definitely doesn't rule out the possibility to emulating these handhelds at a later date. (When more powerful PC's and Graphics Cards are created.) However, I was wrong concerning the PSP UMD's being usable in a regular CD Drive - I completely forgot about their plastic casing.

http://www.pspinsider.com/screens/album03/aab.jpeg

While this issue will require the use of huge, 1 GB stand-alone files, (If it is achieved.) I still won't rule out the possibility of emulation. Like I said before, it's a threat for any gaming medium, and some are more vulnerable than others.

[Rallyracr420]

Do you realise that to emulate a GBA you need a 1.2GHz PC with lots of other powerful features.

GBA emulator page
http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gba/vboyadvance.html

Quote from page: "The games ran at full speed (with sound) on my Celeron 900 Mhz., so if you have a similar or faster PC you shouldn't have any problem either. A Pentium III 500 Mhz. is the absolute minimum requirement to play games. "

This took me like 2 secs to find, so their might even be more efficient emulators out there.


Emulation is always possible, and code is always tweakable.

[Rallyracr420]

And I'm even going to go a step further and say that a UMD burner will appear as an unlicensed 3rd party product on the Asian market within two years of PSP's Japan launch. I'm not saying it won't be expensive, but go in with your friends and get one, and now you can transfer DVD movies you already own to UMD instead of having to buy them all again.

The market wants open standards and Sony is trying to fight that with the plastic cased UMD. Lets fight back.

[alternate_ending]

Do you realise that to emulate a GBA you need a 1.2GHz PC with lots of other powerful features.

Yeah, i only have a P3 800mhz with 256mb ram, and no graphics card or anything whatsoever, and my GBA emu runs perfectly. Dont know where u pulled that figure from....

[stanDarsh]

Also some of you dont realise that emulating games from previous machines takes up huge amounts of power. This is power that the PSP doesn't have. Do you realise that to emulate a GBA you need a 1.2GHz PC with lots of other powerful features. PSP just simply wouldnt have the power. The reason for so much power needed for emulation is because the language that GBA games is written in is different from what PC's and PSP will use. They have to "translate it" into a language that they can understand and then work on it. The PSP operating system will be designed to run C or C++ PSP games no doubt not GBA language games.

You could play Gameboy games on PS1 which is 33Mhz. You can run plenty of emulators off PS2 including; Snes, Megadrive (Genesis) and even X86. PSP is pretty close to PS2 in terms of power, so don't say it is not possible, because I am sure someone will bring them out for psp eventually.

[Ibanez32]

An emulator is possible but what are you planning to store games on?

[stanDarsh]

They'd have to be on Memory Sticks or some other sort of portable memory.

[Makaveli_786]

With duo 2 GB sticks next year and probably flash memory in the year after that it wont be too far down the line before we can store a whole collection of emu's on portable consoles.

Anyway if the cell is as easily programmable as they say it will probably be possible to emulate the Xbox Next because the cell will probably be able to produce tricks which can compensate for anything Xbox Next is throwing at it.

PS3 will probably be able to emulate just about anything we can think of apart from maybe the N5(considering its almost inevitable something interesting will happen like a quadruple screen you can play with using your ear or something) and maybe Sega's new console(considering if they do enter the market theyll make DAMN sure they bring something CONTROVERSIAL to the market.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes it will handle emulations and they could be stored on a 2GB stick next year only thing is they will be pricey.

[alternate_ending]

Do you rekon you'll be able to use a USB hard drive with the psp? I'm sure Sony would prevent that kind of thing, but if someone modded the PSP to we could use them, the possibilities are endless!

[Makaveli_786]

I think there will be HDD connectivity, Sony want to make all theyr stuff universal(connects to just about anything).

[DGKAMD]

howare you going to emulate a screen that runs a touch screen when psp doesnt even have a touch screen? :roll: sorry dude but i just odnt see it happening

[limbfilter]

Anyway if the cell is as easily programmable as they say it will probably be possible to emulate the Xbox Next because the cell will probably be able to produce tricks which can compensate for anything Xbox Next is throwing at it.


Riiiiiiiight...Sonys stuff is theoretical right now. And I dont remember xbox announcing their next console specs. I remember Sony talking about all this amazing stuff with the "emotion engine" for the ps2 back in the day. And I haven't seen a damn bit of good out of it. Xbox doesn't have it and it has better graphics. So its just hype. I wonder how many of you are too young to remember (or maybe just forgotten) all of sony's ps2 hype......

As for psp emulating ds...I don't see a ps2 emulating an n64 100%...

[KlawHammer]

Where do you get this from? The Xbox doenst have an Emotion ENgine because it isnt a PS2. How can you say the Xbox doesnt have it yet it has better graphics? uuggghhh...

[Olz]

Soz guys gettin annoyed must av been bad day (doin GCSE's at moment). Ok i'll agree that GBA could probs be emulated, nut what about PS1 that uses a different programming language to PS2...but wait i've just thought (i dont do i very often :roll: ), PSP's programming was said to be very similar to PS1's a while ago for ease of making games. Maybe PSP will be able to handle PS1 games, with similar programming, like a breeze. Excellent. :D . Now not only Nintendo are the only ones that can boast their portable being able to play a whole back catalogue of games. Haha.

[games_ fan]

Soz guys gettin annoyed must av been bad day (doin GCSE's at moment). Ok i'll agree that GBA could probs be emulated, nut what about PS1 that uses a different programming language to PS2...but wait i've just thought (i dont do i very often :roll: ), PSP's programming was said to be very similar to PS1's a while ago for ease of making games. Maybe PSP will be able to handle PS1 games, with similar programming, like a breeze. Excellent. :D . Now not only Nintendo are the only ones that can boast their portable being able to play a whole back catalogue of games. Haha.

but you can't just get the disc put it in your psp and play it.

[Makaveli_786]

Anyway if the cell is as easily programmable as they say it will probably be possible to emulate the Xbox Next because the cell will probably be able to produce tricks which can compensate for anything Xbox Next is throwing at it.


Riiiiiiiight...Sonys stuff is theoretical right now. And I dont remember xbox announcing their next console specs. I remember Sony talking about all this amazing stuff with the "emotion engine" for the ps2 back in the day. And I haven't seen a damn bit of good out of it. Xbox doesn't have it and it has better graphics. So its just hype. I wonder how many of you are too young to remember (or maybe just forgotten) all of sony's ps2 hype......

As for psp emulating ds...I don't see a ps2 emulating an n64 100%...

First the cell isnt hype as there is a prototype coming at the end of this year and the fact is the cell outpowers the Xbox Next several times which means PS3 could easily emulate the Xbox hardware but the Xbox Next is based mainly on software which means they could just emulate XNA along with the architecture of the Xbox Next and have Xbox Next games on PS3 and it probably would take but a few MB of storage too.

Who told you the PSP cant emulate a N64, in fact who told you the DS is an N64, in fact how old R U?

[limbfilter]

Anyway if the cell is as easily programmable as they say it will probably be possible to emulate the Xbox Next because the cell will probably be able to produce tricks which can compensate for anything Xbox Next is throwing at it.


Riiiiiiiight...Sonys stuff is theoretical right now. And I dont remember xbox announcing their next console specs. I remember Sony talking about all this amazing stuff with the "emotion engine" for the ps2 back in the day. And I haven't seen a damn bit of good out of it. Xbox doesn't have it and it has better graphics. So its just hype. I wonder how many of you are too young to remember (or maybe just forgotten) all of sony's ps2 hype......

As for psp emulating ds...I don't see a ps2 emulating an n64 100%...

First the cell isnt hype as there is a prototype coming at the end of this year and the fact is the cell outpowers the Xbox Next several times which means PS3 could easily emulate the Xbox hardware but the Xbox Next is based mainly on software which means they could just emulate XNA along with the architecture of the Xbox Next and have Xbox Next games on PS3 and it probably would take but a few MB of storage too.

Who told you the PSP cant emulate a N64, in fact who told you the DS is an N64, in fact how old R U?

OK...Here we go. First to answer Klawhammer. My point is that the xbox doesn't have an EE. Sony made EE out to be this great wonderful thing that would stun us all, and yet I can see no difference.

Now on to Makaveli. Again, if the cell only exists on paper then how do you know what it can do? And again you say that the cell "outpowers" the xbox next when there isn't even specs out for the xbox next! Please answer me that. Emulate XNA? Oh gee..Why don't they just emulate direct x 9 on a ps2 so I can play pc games on my ps2? Because emulation is soooo easy. And it's good to know that these xbox next games will only take a few MB instead of gigs...Maybe they'll go back to cd instead of dvd.

ds graphics sure look like an n64 to me. And I'm 23 thanks for asking.

I don't know why I am arguing with you anyway. You obviously belive in anyone's hype. That's obvious by your G5 sig. By the way the slogan is "the world's most powerful desktop." not "the world's more powerful desktop"

[Pumster]

Riiiiiiiight...Sonys stuff is theoretical right now. And I dont remember xbox announcing their next console specs. I remember Sony talking about all this amazing stuff with the "emotion engine" for the ps2 back in the day. And I haven't seen a damn bit of good out of it. Xbox doesn't have it and it has better graphics. So its just hype. I wonder how many of you are too young to remember (or maybe just forgotten) all of sony's ps2 hype......
I agree with Makaveli - Sony didn't hype the Cell or the Emotion Engine. As for the Emotion Engine's use, it's been featured in a bunch of games, including GTA3, Vice City, and Medal of Honor Frontline. In addition, GTA San Andreas will probably make use of it, as well. Hype surrounds all major Software and Hardware releases, and it's definitely not worth mentioning. Nintendo's hyped their "Double Screen" feature on their latest handheld, the Cell's expected to produce the next-generation of graphics, and Microsoft's Middleware, known as "XNA," has been well-advertised to developers. We're simply excited about the products we want to buy. When you complain about hype, you're upset because we're planning on buying a product you don't want. The only way to convince us that your claims are legitimate is to make a statement and back it up with facts. Otherwise, you're just wasting our time by being "bias." I won't even waste my time commenting on your "PS2 not being able to emulate N64 games" claim.

[Makaveli_786]

OK...Here we go. First to answer Klawhammer. My point is that the xbox doesn't have an EE. Sony made EE out to be this great wonderful thing that would stun us all, and yet I can see no difference.

Are you blind??

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Now on to Makaveli. Again, if the cell only exists on paper then how do you know what it can do? And again you say that the cell "outpowers" the xbox next when there isn't even specs out for the xbox next! Please answer me that. Emulate XNA? Oh gee..Why don't they just emulate direct x 9 on a ps2 so I can play pc games on my ps2? Because emulation is soooo easy. And it's good to know that these xbox next games will only take a few MB instead of gigs...Maybe they'll go back to cd instead of dvd.

So your telling me MS have something up theyr sleeve more powerful than a cell??

LMAO, plz go on I really want to hear this.

The reason they didnt emulate DX9 on PS2 is because there was nowhere to store the emulator(no HDD), now that they have one theyr already working on emulators and many have already been released, by the way the emulators take a few gigs, emulators are not games, thanx for the laugh again son!

ds graphics sure look like an n64 to me. And I'm 23 thanks for asking.
Yeah and a minute ago you were telling me XBox has better graphics than the above screenshots :wink:


I don't know why I am arguing with you anyway. You obviously belive in anyone's hype. That's obvious by your G5 sig. By the way the slogan is "the world's most powerful desktop." not "the world's more powerful desktop"

Many people said it wasnt the most powerful but it remains one of the more power desktops hence the more in the sentence, lol I hope you reply soon, your post gave me and my mates a good laugh.

[Kiwi]

Ahh well, I'm going to be horrible and not let him reply, because this thread has gone far enough.

I'm so nasty aren't I..... :D