Gran Turismo 4 Discussion Thread Part 2

[JoshD]

Continued from:

http://www.playstation3insider.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39

[Fats]

Nooooooooooooo!!! It's been cut...

So will anybody here be parting with £25 in order to get a slice of the GT4 action?

[ultimategamer2004]

No not if it is £25 i will part with no more than £15-£20 for a prolouge..

[Fats]

Ahhhh, but are we forgetting about the extra DVD? Hummm? Perhaps I'm just being a sucker because I'm a big GT fan, I do understand that it's expencive but I reckon big fans of the game will part with their money.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes i forgot now i have changed my mind i probably will get the prolougue could youtell me the stuff that is on the dvd i am not sure...

[Fats]

Yea sure. I took this from part one of the GT4 thread...

GT4 prologue: Signature Edition is an enhanced version of the game that other sites have reported "won't be coming out in Europe". However, SCEE itself has chosen to clear the matter up this morning, announcing that it will indeed be out in Europe, with bonus features the rest of the world don't get (hah!). Which is just as we exclusively revealed last month (see here).

Enhancements to the original Prologue edition include a bonus disc featuring a special message from Kazunori Yamauchi, where he explains his thoughts behind Prologue's existence. Fans will also be treated to a 'Making of GT4', which will (probably) be largely made up of footage showing the Polyphony team driving around race tracks in amazing cars, and waving to the camera.

Other details worthy of note are that the limited edition title will inlcude 46 cars - with an exclusive Euro addition in the BMW concept M5 car - and 64 unique trials, the unlocking of which can be saved to memory card and resumed within GT4, along with your times and scores.

And when Sony says "limited edition" it means it. One retail source, speaking to us earlier today, said: "Sony is asking retailers to pre-order copies of the game now. It's only pressing as many copies as are ordered, as it doesn't want any surplus stock of Prologue on store shelves, which might detract from the release of the full game. There's quite a lot of game in Prologue after all."

The release is aimed for the end of May, priced around £25. If anything changes, we'll let you know.

www.computerandvideogames.com

[ultimategamer2004]

Nice, a message on the dvd and 46 cars that is almost the same as some full games..

Another nice feature of the gy series is all the cars are licensed..

[psview]

If you've had any problems accessing the latest adaptive streams from Sony Japan, you'll be pleased to find them available directly from our own server at

*link removed*

in 512k and 150k flavours!

enjoy!

[NickSCFC]

Some images taken from the latest videos.

Long downhill section from the Assisi course
http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://ruliweb2.intizen.com/ruliboard/gup/img_link3/18853_5.jpg

Main straight of Assisi
http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://ruliweb2.intizen.com/ruliboard/gup/img_link3/18853.jpg

View of Hong Kong harbour
http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://ruliweb2.intizen.com/ruliboard/gup/img_link3/18853_2.jpg

Rally cars now playable on all courses?
http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://ruliweb2.intizen.com/ruliboard/gup/img_link3/18853_7.jpg

[Scott R. Mraz]

More on Prologue:

April 2004 – Following the hugely successful Japanese release of Gran Turismo® 4: “Prologue”, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) is pleased to announce that European fans of the series will be able to get behind the wheel of their very own enhanced version ‘Gran Turismo 4: Prologue Signature Edition’ this summer.

David Reeves, President of SCEE said “The Gran Turismo series is one of the true success stories of PlayStation®2, having sold over 35 million copies worldwide since its launch in 1997. We are delighted to be able to offer devoted European fans the chance to play this enhanced Collector’s Edition of Prologue as they await the release of GT4 later this year’.

Created by Polyphony Digital and exclusive to PlayStation 2, ‘Gran Turismo 4: Prologue Signature Edition’ will be exclusively available in limited numbers for the most dedicated GT fans. Each copy will come with a message from Kazunori Yamauchi the creator of the critically acclaimed series, which explains the creative thinking behind the production of Prologue.

The latest Gran Turismo game features 46 tests to improve your driving skills and 64 different cars, each with their own realistic handling and dynamics based on the team’s incredible efforts to photograph record and drive each car in the game. The European version will also include a ‘Making of GT4’ movie which previews this eagerly anticipated PlayStation 2 game, shows unique behind the scenes footage and gives advice on just what makes a great driver. Prologue players will also be rewarded for their commitment and training with a head-start saved on their memory card for Gran Turismo 4.

‘Gran Turismo 4: Prologue Signature Edition’ is a must have for all fans and collectors of the series and will give drivers a chance to practice and perfect their skills in preparation for the release of Gran Turismo 4 later this year.

www.granturismoworld.com

[Fats]

I'm really looking forward to sampling some of GT4's delights... :)

[Makaveli_786]

I wasnt planning to buy it but since you put it that way... when can I have it in my greasy mitts?

[ultimategamer2004]

Nice pics nick, i like the top 2 best and i hope that the rally cars are playable on all corses..

[Fats]

I'm getting really over excited about those pictures.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

[NickSCFC]

I like the way that the first image of Assisi gives you a view of the whole track.

[Fats]

Yes, very much like WRC... But much much better. I wonder if their will be an issue with pop-up because there is quite a lot going on at once on the screen. I think I seen some evidence of pop-up in the previous videos, not that there was an awful lot of it... I just don't like the stuff though. :evil:

[NickSCFC]

There's no pop up, the new Gran Turismo graphics engine is the best you'll find on PS2.

[ultimategamer2004]

I like the way that the first image of Assisi gives you a view of the whole track.

Me to great detail in the background in that dont you think..

[Kiwi]

According to PlayStation UK (http://uk.playstation.com/), Prologue will be making its way over here:

SCEE has announced plans to release a Europe-specific version of Gran Turismo 4: Prologue in May. Available in limited numbers at £24.99, Gran Turismo 4: Prologue Signature Edition will give GT fans a chance to check out Gran Turismo's 4 awesome new graphics engine and physics model months ahead of GT4's release.

Part 'teaser' for GT4 and part training product, Gran Turismo 4: Prologue has already enjoyed huge success in its native Japan. The European 'Signature Edition' will include 46 tests designed to hone every aspect of players' driving skills and feature 64 different cars - well short of GT4's 500+ vehicles but a pretty healthy number all the same. Players who complete all of the tests featured in Prologue Signature Edition will be rewarded for their efforts by getting a headstart for GT4 saved on their Memory Card.

As an added bonus, GT4: Prologue Signature Edition will feature an exclusive 'Making of' movie, which gives you a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the hugely anticipated GT4, as well as a few pointers on what makes a truly great driver.

With GT4 scheduled for release towards the end of the year, this is good news indeed for hardcore GT fans, who'll be able to see the graphical leaps and bounds made by Polyphony since GT3 and get into shape for the challenges that lie ahead with GT4.

Screens (http://uk.playstation.com/news/newsStory.jhtml?storyId=105506_en_GB_NEWS&linktype =NT3)

[ultimategamer2004]

it is very likly i will get the prolougue the extra dvd did it for me..

I wonder what limited nombers willmean i will have to get it quick.

[Kiwi]

I wouldn't think that it would be THAT limited, but it's probably best to either reserve a copy or get one the day it is released.

[ultimategamer2004]

i'll get 1 a day or 2 after release if i have the money at the time cus they probably fly off the shelf..

[Kiwi]

Best save a few pennies then. I remember they did something similar with the last game, but only in the form of a OPSM2 demo.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes i read OPS2 it can be a bit wrong at times though.

So do you read it matt?

[Kiwi]

No, I just borrowed the demo from a friend when it came out. Not really a huge fan of OPSM2 to be honest, I find their reviews to be a bit biased towards SCE games.

[ultimategamer2004]

Someone wrote a letter in about there reviews being like that next month GT4 went from meltdown to boiling in there moniter section..

They say they can dislike a sony game as much as they like but most of the time they seem to get extremly good scores and stay in the hot 100 for ages.

[Kiwi]

Someone wrote a letter in about there reviews being like that next month GT4 went from meltdown to boiling in there moniter section..

What do you mean by that?

[ultimategamer2004]

He wrote in a letter about them always liking and sony games so he thought it was because they are the officials they always like sony games more which is somtimes true.

[Fats]

So you mean that the official magazine is more favourable towards Sony games than 3rd party games? I'd say that that's true in some cases, but i've noticed that they still give realistic scores to games that don't cut the mustard so they're not all bad.

The demo is out at the end of this month, whoooo!

[slayerx]

I dont normally play racing games for one simple reason i suck :P but i think i may grab a copy of the prolougue disc see what all the fuss is about i have some ingames shots from the jap prolougue that a friend imported ages ago i can post them if you want :)

[Fats]

Aye, go ahead and post them! :D

[slayerx]

Prolougue release date is the 28th of may and can be preordered here

http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=PT1328

The japs got a new console just for the proulouge

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/img/031104c1.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_tsukuba.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_ny.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_fuji.jpg

Some of the cars

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_takata.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_skyline.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_fairlady.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_celica.jpg

http://www.redael.co.uk/games/gt4_f1_3.jpg

[NickSCFC]

Yay! McLaren F1!

Though I much prefer this design...

http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/screens/S/wScud_Race.png

[Fats]

Ahhhh, Scud Race... Good game. Back in the day when Sega actually produced some good racing games. You never know, it might make an appearance in GT4. 8)

I'm glad that GT4 actually has a Maclaren F1, it's about time!!!

[stanDarsh]

Cool, McLaren F1 is my favourite car! Im glad they are sticking it in GT4

[Kiwi]

It's a good job that those posts had good screens, otherwise I would've deleted them because of double-posting! :)

But anyway, good update, some nice cars there.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes some nice cars like the F1...

Looks like we will be able too mod the cars cus look at the toyota and the vinals and all that if we can mod the cars good GT4 may have been given a new lease of life.

[julps31]

Its looking good. I can't wait to play it.

[Kiwi]

Yes some nice cars like the F1...

Looks like we will be able too mod the cars cus look at the toyota and the vinals and all that if we can mod the cars good GT4 may have been given a new lease of life.

They always have cars like that. The racing editions of certain cars. Would be nice to let us know if the mod feature is in this game.

[Fats]

Just preordered my copy of Prologue today, WOOOOOO!!! Anyone else preordered it yet?

[slayerx]

I did today too along with about another 6 games lol

[Fats]

I hope that it doesn't give away too much of the game, wouldn't want it to spoil the whole suprise! How nice would it be if they included a trial online section were you can race up to 6 people? :P

[slayerx]

The japs didnt get it so we wont

also the stuff u do on Prolouge the save can be used on GT4 Retail as in prolouge you do i think the driving school stuff probably not all licences just the basic 1

[Fats]

ok, the boards are fucked. I replied to slayer x, when I went to view my post his/hers was gone. When I came back into the thread my post was somehow deleted... wtf? :x

[ultimategamer2004]

The japs didnt get it so we wont

also the stuff u do on Prolouge the save can be used on GT4 Retail as in prolouge you do i think the driving school stuff probably not all licences just the basic 1

Yes it wont have all the licences probably basic.
Can somone tell me when the prolouge is being released i keep forgetting and i dont want to reserve i just want to be there on the day?

[Kiwi]

May 14, which just so happens to be next Friday. Although I'll be getting my copy on Tuesday, mwahahaha! :D

[ultimategamer2004]

How can you get yours on tuesday do you get it earlier when you reserve or somthing?

[Kiwi]

Hehe, it's a secret :wink:

[gamingmonkey2004]

are you getting the Jap version of the game?

[Kiwi]

PAL version.

[gamingmonkey2004]

im stupid what is PAL...and where did you pre-order it

[NickSCFC]

You really are thick aren't you. It's the European equivalent of NTSC.

[Kiwi]

NTSC - National Television Standards Committee

The NTSC (National Television Standards Committee) was responsible for developing, in 1953, a set of standard protocol for television (TV) broadcast transmission and reception in the United States. Two other standards - Phase Alternation Line (PAL) and Sequential Couleur avec Memoire (SECAM) - are used in other parts of the world. The NTSC standards have not changed significantly since their inception, except for the addition of new parameters for color signals. NTSC signals are not directly compatible with computer systems.

An NTSC TV image has 525 horizontal lines per frame (complete screen image). These lines are scanned from left to right, and from top to bottom. Every other line is skipped. Thus it takes two screen scans to complete a frame: one scan for the odd-numbered horizontal lines, and another scan for the even-numbered lines. Each half-frame screen scan takes approximately 1/60 of a second; a complete frame is scanned every 1/30 second. This alternate-line scanning system is known as interlacing.

PAL - Phase Alternation Line

Phase Alternation Line (PAL) is the analog television display standard that is used in Europe and certain other parts of the world. PAL is one of the three major TV standards together with the American National Television Systems Committee(NTSC) color television system and the French Sequential Couleur avec Memoire (SECAM). NTSC is also used in Japan. SECAM is used in countries of the former Soviet Union.

Like SECAM, PAL scans the cathode ray tube (CRT) horizontally 625 times to form the video image. NTSC scans 525 lines. Color definitions between the systems vary slightly.

Hope that clears things up.

[gamingmonkey2004]

You really are thick aren't you. It's the European equivalent of NTSC.

well sorrrrry. im not European...well i am but i lived in America all my life

[Omega Blue]

New GT4 Article, 7 Pages long

http://cars.ign.com/articles/512/512309p1.html

[Makaveli_786]

Damn thats pretty amazing, even from a Gran Turismo title :shock:

[Kiwi]

Meh, not too shabby. :)

I think it's good that they've decided to add a penalty feature for hitting walls cars. That will make people who solely use the walls and cars to get around corners to learn how to drive the car properly.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes the penalty for hitting walls is a good idea so letsnoe use the escudo pikes peak then.

[Kiwi]

Or just drive it in first gear.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes, the escudo is very fast but a load of crap round corners.

Will the pealty be money or what.

[Kiwi]

It said that your car will be slowed down for a certain amount of time. So basically if you go around hitting stuff you probably won't be able to win anyway.

[ultimategamer2004]

Ahh right that is better than credits. I will not hit the wall i dont normally anyway.

[Kiwi]

The only time I ever hit them is either with the Escudo on rally or when I go a bit too tight or wide on corners every now and then.

[ultimategamer2004]

Same hear i will have to get good brakes and be more carful.

[Kiwi]

I think that it will encourage people to learn how to race properly. Using the racing line, slipstreaming, all those kind of things.

[Omega Blue]

heres a few more screenshots

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/489/489327/imgs_1.html

[Kiwi]

It's amazing just how much detail they've managed to put into even the scenery. A big hand to PD! :)

[Fats]

I'm still shocked everytime I see a batch of new images, I just can't believe how good GT4 looks... There was always a lot of complaints about track-side details, and they've really made up for it!!! :shock:

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/513/513227/e3-2004-gran-turismo-4-screens-200405101124581.jpg

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/513/513227/e3-2004-gran-turismo-4-screens-200405101124550.jpg

http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/010_GT4P_XanaviSky_1080171001.jpg

[Kiwi]

That's what I mean. It's amazing how far they've managed to jump from each GT game as far as detail is concerned.

[Fats]

When I bought GT3 I thought, "This is it, there's no way they can better this...". Looking back I've realised how stupid a comment that was, we're talking about Polyphony Digital here. I had a wee game of GT3 there now, and there's such a difference.

[Kiwi]

I said exactly the same thing with the first two games.

[Fats]

Sony has confirmed that the fourth addition of its PS2 Gran Turismo driving series, due out in November, is being bolstered by two brand new gaming features, which includes online racing for those desperate to pit themselves against the world's best.

Amongst the latest revelations, Sony has revealed that the title will offer an innovative 'photo' mode, where players can cruise the glamorous reaches of the globe, taking pictures, and then saving them to memory card, as well as the aforementioned online mode, which offers head-to-head racing for up to six players.

In addition, Gran Turismo 4 will boast more than 500 cars and up to 100 courses from around the world, including Hong Kong, New York City, The Grand Canynon and Fuji Speedway.[/i]

[ultimategamer2004]

Nice pics they lookbetter than any i have seen before the lighting is amazing.

[Fats]

That first image is incredible, the way the S2000 is turning into the corner... Very nice. :D

[ultimategamer2004]

YEs there seems to be more stuff going on in the pic of GT4 than there was in GT3.

[Kiwi]

I'm guessing that the November date is for the US though. We may have to wait a bit longer. Should be loads of fun :roll:

[ultimategamer2004]

I wish they had said it would be november at first and not getting our hopes up around may/june i hate it when games get put back.

[Kiwi]

They did say a while back that the release would be towards the end of the year in the US.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yeah in the UK it was said a cople of months ago why carnt they put a long release date on it so they dont ruin people like if they think it will be finished in may they they should say July to be on the safe side.

[Kiwi]

This has happened with every GT game so far, so it's not really a big surprise.

[Fats]

Gran Turismo 4 is set to become one of the best selling PS2 games ever, and in a bid to match our ludicrously high expectations, developer Polyphony Digital has been cramming ever more car content in to its potential masterpiece.

New stuff confirmed at E3 includes a Hong Kong street track, and the astounding 17 mile Nurburgring circuit in Germany that made such a memorable appearance in Project Gotham Racing. Anything Xbox can do, we can do better, Polyphony seems to be saying.

GT4 is likely to include a staggering 500 cars, representing an entire century of motorsport, and from these shots we've spotted open-top cars with fully modelled drivers and the mighty V10 engined BMW Concept M5. That is going to be quick, and no mistake.

Graphically, GT4 is looking more special by the minute. We realise that these are artfully staged replay shots, but the detail visible makes them look more like a photoshoot from a high quality car magazine than a mere game.

To check out the E3 trailer, head to the Japanese GT4 site and click on the E3 banner.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124245.jpg

www.computerandvideogames.com

There are nine more excellent looking images if you go to the above URL... They are breath-taking...

[NickSCFC]

To check out the E3 trailer, head to the Japanese GT4 site and click on the E3 banner.
Thanks for linking us to the site :?

[Fats]

I'm too good...

GT4 - Click on the red E3 banner (http://www.playstation.jp/scej/title/gt4/)

Enjoy the video...

I think it's time for some more pictures as well...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124246.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124247.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124248.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124249.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124250.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124251.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124252.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124253.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_248/vortal_pic_124254.jpg

Amazing...

[Makaveli_786]

Are you sure these are not some kind of CGI or something?

[Kiwi]

If you download any of the videos, you'll know that it isn't an FMV.

[Makaveli_786]

So those games are actual REAL inside the game footage of Gran Turismo 4 which plans to release next year on the PS2???

I dont know why were talking about photo-realistic for next-gen, if this is what we can do on a 6 gigaflop machine I cant even imagine what we can achieve on a 1000 gigaflop machine, thats amazing, I still cant believe graphics are going to look like that on the PS2.

Besides where are the dudes who said the Xbox has better graphics than the PS2 now?

[Kiwi]

Just download this video.

Link (http://www.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_granturismo4_gp3.wmv)

[ultimategamer2004]

The graphics are looking amazing i carnt wait to get the game i dont think i have seen any better pics yet on ps2 other than Killzone.

[Makaveli_786]

Killzone has better graphics than this??

Just how much potential does the PS2 have?

Actually this just goes to show what ive been saying for years, PS2 will keep getting better as they learn how to program for it :D

[ultimategamer2004]

it will get better but thereis alimit not much better than killzone.

[Makaveli_786]

Thats great, well I always said the PS2 would overtake the XBox in graphics but NOOOOOOOO nobody believed me, serves them all right :)

[Kiwi]

I would go out on a limb and say that the graphics in GT4 or on par, if not better than those in the XNA demos. The only thing that Microsoft have really done with XNA is make everything look really shiny, just like Halo 2. When I watched that GT4 video for the first time, there was one moment where I could've sworn it was like watching the real thing. It was a camera shot right near the beginning, where the car zooms past the camera, and the camera then turns to see it go down the track.

[Fats]

Are you talking about the video with the Ford GT (Previously GT40)? If so, then you were thinking about the exact same thing that I was thinking about at the exact same moment... How scary is that?! :shock:

I might have said this before, but with each batch of images that comes along for Gran Turismo 4 I can't stop but be amazed. Here's a quick question, are Polyphony owned by Sony? I was just wondering what are the chances of them jumping onto Microsofts console if they were offered an ample amount of moola. I know Microsoft have offered Polyphony before and they said no.

[Kiwi]

Are you talking about the video with the Ford GT (Previously GT40)? If so, then you were thinking about the exact same thing that I was thinking about at the exact same moment... How scary is that?! :shock:

Yea, the yellow Ford GT. It's just that the first time I saw that angle I though, "Wow!". It just looks so amazing.

By the way, GAME (http://shop.game.net/) has given GT4 a September 04 release date.

[KlawHammer]

Are you talking about the video with the Ford GT (Previously GT40)? If so, then you were thinking about the exact same thing that I was thinking about at the exact same moment... How scary is that?! :shock:

I might have said this before, but with each batch of images that comes along for Gran Turismo 4 I can't stop but be amazed. Here's a quick question, are Polyphony owned by Sony? I was just wondering what are the chances of them jumping onto Microsofts console if they were offered an ample amount of moola. I know Microsoft have offered Polyphony before and they said no.

Polyphony Digital is a satellite company of Sony - so yea they kinda own em..

[Omega Blue]

lOLoloLlololzzz Polyphony = pW3Nd |3y S0Ny Lololoolzzz!!!11!1!11onefivesevennine.

damn typing that was painful, i almost broke my own fingers after reading that.

[KlawHammer]

Whoa Omega, english whould be good...

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, your damn right Sony own Polyphon and thank god for that too :shock:

[Omega Blue]

Whoa Omega, english whould be good...
yeah english "whould" but i wanted to be a CS Kiddie who tr13s teh 1337 sp34k "lolololololzzz" :lol:

the Polyphony team live what they make, they are some of the most enthusiastic game developers i have seen.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah man they really do bust theyr asses to make sure they do the best job they can, really good people Polyphon!

[Kiwi]

I read an article back when A-spec was in development, about how much detail they put into the game. They get the engine sounds, tire noises, anything you can think of, for every single car. Amazing determination I must say.....

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes it is amazing..

Somone said they use a massive scanner to scan in all the cars dont know where the info came from but it was somone on these bords.

[Omega Blue]

Yes it is amazing..

Somone said they use a massive scanner to scan in all the cars dont know where the info came from but it was somone on these bords.

they do that i believe then simplify the car models. with the Ps3 im sure they will be able to scan the source art and leave it as detail so we'll see pretty much photo realistic cars.

[NickSCFC]

Finally managed to get my hands on a copy of GT4 Prologue, I'm not saying where I got myself a copy as that would lead to my Job and I'm affraid that's my business, no offense I hope you understand.

Anyway, here it is, GT4. How does it shape up? Well this Prologue is pretty much what you can expect from the finished version fo GT4 and I have to say other than the lush visuals I found it to be dissapointing.

Heres a few reasons as to why:

AI: Its still awful. It's not that your CPU opponents are laughably stupid it's that they really dont't offer any kind of challenge they just glide from one corner to the next staying within the same old pre-set racing line that they never faulter from unless you get in their way. They start bumping and pushing you off the road, not because they're challenging you but becuse they're to stupid to consider other options like trying to over take you, cut you up or ease off so as not to cause a fatal crash.
They have a pre-programed route and are sticking to it which makes races feel devoid of any real thrills and spills.

10 Second Penalty: Hit a barrier just once and the car is reduced to a crawl for 10 seconds. Why is this a bad thing? It's not, if your CPU opponents are capable of making mistakes like spinning of the track, out of control etc. so as to give you a fair crack at the whip but they're not, (see above), which makes this feature infuriatingly frustrating.

Handling: I don't know whats happened tot he GT series of late but the handling has become progressivly worse with each itteration, this being the worst. There's no natural progression in the handling of the cars, it's either extreme left or right which makes the use of an analog stick or steering wheel redundant.
It feels really awful at times, slow and clumsy, it's as if you really have to really push down hard in the direction that you want to go yet the car just seems to slowly force itself to turn the corner. After about 10 mins of this I had to have a break as my thumb was sore.

Overall GT4 Prologue is average at best, It offers very little new in terms of gameplay and is ugly to play. True it's just a demo but you know how this business work's I doubt very much the finished version will be much different in it's overall execution. Basically if you enjoyed GT3 then you'll enjoy this, because if you foung its niggles just too annoying, then nothing has changed and I'd stear clear.

[Kiwi]

I also found the game slightly disappointing, and basically for the same reasons that Nick has listed above. The AI has always been like that, they stick the the exact racing line, and there's no way they ever stray away from it. The penalty for hitting barriers would have been a lot better if you weren't the only driver doing it. But because the AI is so perfect and won't do anything different, you'll find yourself having to catch up, and therefore making more mistakes by trying to push your car harder.

As for the handling, well, I suppose that all depends how you drive, If you stick to the racing line, and adhere to the rules of taking corners (slow in, fast out) then it's not too much of a problem. But for people who drive any differently are punished a lot in this game. It's almost as if they want absolutely everybody to be able to drive perfectly, like the computer. There's almost no room for adjustment.

I really hope that they do something before the game is released, because up till now the game has been nothing short of amazing. Yes, the graphics are out of this world, but as I've said so many times before, the gameplay is a lot more important than the looks a lot of the time.

[NickSCFC]

The cars feel slightly heavier around corners, a bit more realistic. Like I said, it depends on what you thought of GT3.

[Kiwi]

I thought the cars were quite heavy on GT3, so it seemed pretty much the same to me. Whereas in the first two games they seemed a little lighter around the corners.

[Makaveli_786]

Damn you guys really are picky arent you?

[jaxmkii]

you have to use the 900 wheel to make it feel right otherwise it seams far to tuchy ans you lose alot of tracktion in skid... seriusly if you have a hard time if GT3/4 your driving it like its a game. Go take a 3day course at Skipbarber and you will understand why GT has NO rivel :)

[Makaveli_786]

Yup its a driving simulator and the car drives the way it would in real life.

LOL did you know they use GT to test cars in pro-life?

[ultimategamer2004]

I was thinking about getting a stering wheel before GT4 comes ut but i dont know which 1 to get any ideas.

[Makaveli_786]

Dont they have an official one lined up for GT4 when it comes out?

[ultimategamer2004]

I havent heard that there is but if there is thats the one i will get!

[Makaveli_786]

Me too :D

[Kiwi]

Damn you guys really are picky arent you?

Yes, we are! :)

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, well this game is a driving simulator and it simulates actual driving, I have to agree I hate the same points that Nick pointed out but that isnt a flaw in the game thats how it is in real life.

[jaxmkii]

I already have it its called the... *drumroll* DRIVING FORCE PRO by logictech its the offical GT4 wheel set. with 900 degree stearing
i know many will think im bullshizzin but when GT3 was in development i was working for skipbarber when they came to take pics of laguna in cally and actualy helped take some of the telemitydata. I cheaked the airpresure in the Viper GTS they used, and worked in the garage that u see in the background on the track up on top of hill in the infeild i was a field tech for the RT/2000 program

you know the garage in the menu you see in the back groung with the dodge when your in "your garage" thats Skipbarbers pesonal 30 car garage. ive been there... every year he has a HUGE labor day party in the garage with all his exotic car buddies. 8)

[Kiwi]

Wow, not bad. It's a shame there's barriers around the tracks, otherwise we could ram through the garage and find you on the toilet or something. :lol:

[jaxmkii]

i Love how all the gamers pick the game apart for its Acuaracys... if they ever had any track time in a race car they would be prasing it and trashing the worthless waste of DVDs like NFSUG and PGR 1/2

[jaxmkii]

yea that would be funny! :lol:

[Makaveli_786]

LMAO@catch him on the toilet reading a newspaper :shock:

[alens5]

Link
http://au.playstation.com/news/gt4_photomode.jhtml

Gran Turismo 4 gets snap happy

"Let's take a picture of your car." That's the rather self-explanatory mission statement of Gran Turismo's all-new Photo mode. Speaking at a press briefing held in SCEE's rather swish E3 conference room, Polyphony president Kazunori Yamauchi revealed that he would be incorporating another of his greatest passions - photography - into Gran Turismo 4.

As he explained it, players of previous instalments in the series share an equal amount of time engaging in races and marvelling at their own performances in Replay mode. Rather than dissuading players from devoting so much time to these "non-driving" sections, Yamauchi-san has insisted on incorporating the Photo mode to provide an alternative way of appreciating the game's undoubted beauty. In fact, he's convinced that some players may actually abandon racing the cars altogether in favour of taking snaps.

And just as his love of driving has lead to unparalleled realism in the field of virtual racing, his appreciation of photography will see possibly the most accurate simulation of real-life photography the world has yet seen. Going far beyond just taking stills from a replay, Photo mode lets you take pictures of any of the 500+ cars on offer as they burn around the 50 existing courses or even 16 specially-created locations. Just like a real professional photographer, you'll be able to select from a variety of lenses, film types and filters, as well as dictating the depth of field and adding effects such as motion blur.

Once taken, the snaps can be added to an "intelligent" slide show which not only shows off the pictures, but also extracts technical data from the exact moment the shot was taken, including the exact location of your car and your opponents, the speed it's travelling at, and the nature of its movement (e.g. if it's turning a corner, blazing up a straight, etc.). Yamauchi-san presented a slide show that his team had produced earlier, and the results were nothing short of stunning - shots of gleaming vehicles taken from all angles in all manner of styles (sepia tones, speed blur effects), in locations such as Kyoto, New York, the Grand Canyon, Crete, Hong Kong, were almost indiscernible from real life.

Thanks to GT4's online functionality and the deliberately small image file sizes, you'll be able to exchange prime quality photos with other players, even at low bandwidth levels. Further still, it's also compatible with certain USB printers, so you'll even be able to collate your a tangible album of favourite GT4 moments. In fact, the SCEA booth had printers on hand so players could do exactly that.

Yamauchi-san also confirmed that the 500+ motors are divided between 80 manufacturers, some of whom are now defunct, and that the models stretched from the near future (such as the fresh-off-the-production-line BMW 1 Series) all the way back to 1886. Ever fancied pitching a Ford Model T up against a Nissan Skyline? Now's your chance - but we know who our money's on to win.

He then revealed three new courses: Hong Kong, Costa di Amalfi and the Germany's Nürburgring Nordschleife. Yamauchi-san confessed that the latter circuit, infamously the testing benchmark for manufacturers developing sports cars, was a "dream course" that he had wanted to incorporate ever since the original GT, but had never had access to powerful technology to do it the justice he thought it deserved. In fact, he initially thought that it would be impossible for PS2 hardware, but recent advancements made by the developer finally made the dream a reality.

To give some impression of just how accurately the circuit has been recreated, Yamauchi-san revealed how Nissan's finest test driver had put a Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) through its paces and achieved lap times that were within one percent of his finest attempts in real life.

Further revelations included the addition of full 3D crowds - an improvement over GT4 Prologue - and a full physics model for the driver that takes into account the impact that velocity and speed has on the human body. Yamauchi-san stated that GT4 was the first step in creating a real world simulator - with the driving element now approaching near perfection, his concerns are now on evolving everything around it, from the environments and people right up to the effects of air and light.

Amazingly, there's still more to come; the concluding "Looking ahead" section of the presentation revealed that certain modes that were dropped in GT3 would be making a comeback, as would a number of new modes. While Yamauchi-san wouldn't specify the exact nature of them, the diagram behind him depicted areas such as 'Classic car shop', 'Bank of GT' and, oddly, 'Parking'.

All exciting stuff, we're sure you'll agree; no doubt we'll learn the exact truth of these mystery modes closer to Gran Turismo 4's release.

Pretty cool ay :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, I was on an Xbox forum yesterday and they were so surprised by the graphics of GT4 they told me the pictures were fake :D

[solidus]

What did you expect, them admitting the Ps2 can produce better visuals than their X-box, PGR2.

[Makaveli_786]

They probably get sick of me always teasing them with GT4 comments :P

[solidus]

I bet you're talking about thenextbox.com , i joined there when it just opened and they had the worst "X-box is better" arguements ever. I hope their boards had an increase in intelligent posters.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah, some of the dudes are cool over there but man they get on my nerves when they dispell the truth like its a rumor, im looking forward to a great Xbox Next but I know it wont be able to compete with PS3 and I keep telling them unless MS ramp something up theyr losing out.

Sometimes they get me mad and I make crazy comments, its funny as hell :P

[Omega Blue]

I bet you're talking about thenextbox.com , i joined there when it just opened and they had the worst "X-box is better" arguements ever. I hope their boards had an increase in intelligent posters.

that'll never happen.

[solidus]

It would if Ps2 owners would join.

[Omega Blue]

It would if Ps2 owners would join.
having a conversation with them is like having a conversation with an innept retard, believe me i have tried... not a pretty sight. blood guts and x-boxes flying every where. :!:

[Kiwi]

It's almost pointless having a discussion with them, as everybody knows what the outcome of the argument will be. You get flamed for handing out any constructive criticism of anything.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, its fun filling them up with bullshit :P

[Kiwi]

Inflicting strain on the structure.....good work.

[Makaveli_786]

LMAO, I love telling them the PS3 will be 100 times more powerful than the Xbox and all that shit, they be running all over themselves talking about how graphics dont matter.

[Kiwi]

Haha, how hypocritical is that.....

Anyway, enough about that lovely little site, back to GT4.

[alens5]

it would be realy cool if you could pull engines out of cars and put them in other cars
eg a 1052 hp skiline engine in a t model ford

your opponents would be pretty freaked out :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Fats]

The Nürburgring is going to be amazing, all 14 miles of it... :P :P :P

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah theyve gone a hell of a lot further than I thought they possibly could, im very impressed by Polyphon.

Besides a Supra SZ-R turbocharged engine in a 900KG GT Starlet Turbo would be the ultimate car :D

[Fats]

I've always been a fan of the Toyota starlet, and the Nissan Pulsar GTR (Nissan Sunny GTR over here)

I also have this thang for the trueno sprinter... (Corolla over here)

[julps31]

Yeah theyve gone a hell of a lot further than I thought they possibly could, im very impressed by Polyphon.

Besides a Supra SZ-R turbocharged engine in a 900KG GT Starlet Turbo would be the ultimate car :D
Polyphony really knows how to push the PS2 hardware to the limits. Its Suprising how much polyphony improved the graphics from GT3.

[ultimategamer2004]

yes polyphony are very good and can produce extremly good stuff especially graphics the only 1 near is criterion and they are mint remember burnout 2 graphics.

[Makaveli_786]

Wow lets not forget Rockstar here now guys,

A city 6 times as big as VC, incredible AI and just about everything we were certain was impossible on the PS2?

Damn have you seen Ace Combat 5 and Gran Turismo 4 graphics, these games look more realistic than Toy Story too :shock:

[ultimategamer2004]

Its going to talk a while to keep track of where you are and get used to know where your going wen it is 6 times as big as vc it is going to be amazing i carnt wait.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah man, this game is going to really sell PS2's, damn I thought everybody had a PS2 by now too.

Im buying two copies and one for the car alongside a PSTwo so I can play it where ever I go :D

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes the smaller ps2 is going to be alot better for the car...

lets not get any more off topic.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, itll be worth importing one, we might pay 100 pound for a PSTwo while the americans get it for 100 dollars, if we order it from abroad we get one for about 60 quid.

[gaming ultima]

back on topic i want the full pikes peak course with a whole bunch of pikes peak cars, man that would test your skill

[Omega Blue]

Wow lets not forget Rockstar here now guys,

A city 6 times as big as VC, incredible AI and just about everything we were certain was impossible on the PS2?

Damn have you seen Ace Combat 5 and Gran Turismo 4 graphics, these games look more realistic than Toy Story too :shock:
first it said "4 to 6 times bigger" choose your words wisely, and second this isn't the GTA SA forums.

true dont forget about Rockstar but dont forget about then in the GTA SA section :wink:

[alens5]

BACK ON TOPIC :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Makaveli_786]

Wow lets not forget Rockstar here now guys,

A city 6 times as big as VC, incredible AI and just about everything we were certain was impossible on the PS2?

Damn have you seen Ace Combat 5 and Gran Turismo 4 graphics, these games look more realistic than Toy Story too :shock:
first it said "4 to 6 times bigger" choose your words wisely, and second this isn't the GTA SA forums.

true dont forget about Rockstar but dont forget about then in the GTA SA section :wink:

Alright back on topic, how about you can steal cars in Gran Turismo, oops back to GTA :wink:

[gamingmonkey2004]

what "Grand Turismo 5: dude wheres my race car?" or something?

[KlawHammer]

Anyway if it does indeed have a whole grid of Pike's Peak cars like 10-16 or so that would put a toll on the PS2...wat with the AI and all..

[alens5]

although i love playstation i am so proud that thay have pushed the hardware so far i can't believe how far they have gone
look at this
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/screens.html?page=208

AND THAT'S REAL TIME TOO :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

xbox can bearly do that

[ultimategamer2004]

yes the ps2 has been pushed close too the limit with this 1 i think some of the screens are amazing. and the only people i can see graphically close are criterion with burnout 3..

[Makaveli_786]

Maybe ive seen different screenshots but I think GT4 is far far superior to Burnout 3 in graphics.

[ultimategamer2004]

Reember burnout 2 at thw time it was the best graphically and it is still very close now if you have it take a very close look at the detail and all that.

[Kiwi]

yes the ps2 has been pushed close too the limit with this 1 i think some of the screens are amazing. and the only people i can see graphically close are criterion with burnout 3..

B3 does look amazing, I agree. I just think that it lacks the same amount of detail as GT4 does.

[gamingmonkey2004]

i think JAK 2 was the first to push PS2 graphicly. but thats cause im a fanboy. but GT4 graphics are amazing

[KlawHammer]

WRC 2 Extreme (World Rally Championship 2 Extreme) was one of those games that pushed the PS2. At the time of its release apparently (this is not necessarily true) it pushed out and i quote, "100% of the PlayStation 2's power".

[Kiwi]

Was a bit disappointed with that game actually. Didn't think that it looked that nice to be honest.

[solidus]

i think JAK 2 was the first to push PS2 graphicly. but thats cause im a fanboy. but GT4 graphics are amazing

JakII did push the Ps2 graphicly and performance wise by running it at 9M polygons/ps and maintaining 60fps. This was very revolutionary, defenatly for the Ps2.

Burnout doesn't come close to Gt4, altough it has quit alot of detail.

[Fats]

The only thing that's ever really amazing about the graphics in the WRC series are the draw-distances... :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Kiwi]

Anyways, can we get back to GT4 please.....

[ultimategamer2004]

Has ahyone got the prlougue yet somhow today i went out and forgot to get it i dontknow how i did though i have seen a review and it only got 7/10 but after all it is not the final product.

[Kiwi]

It's not out until the 28th. Nick and I have copies, and we've already discussed the problems with the game earlier on in this thread.

[ultimategamer2004]

Hey in OPS2 (dont say anythging) it said that it was out now... in the review.

[Kiwi]

I'm guessing this is the most recent issue. Probably at the time of print the release date was still the same. I think it was near the beginning of May at the time.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes it is the most recent issue..

Why has the prolougue release date changed or somthing i dont understand?

[Kiwi]

Not really sure to be honest.

[ultimategamer2004]

I will get the prolougue anyway on the 29th.

[Kiwi]

That's if the copies aren't gone by Friday. Word is that pre-ordering is a good idea.

[Makaveli_786]

I bought prologue off ebay a few days ago :D

[Fats]

Not too long now until I get my mitts on prologue...ummmm. Only 5 days to go... :P

[ultimategamer2004]

I bought prologue off ebay a few days ago :D

How much was it and have you got it yet?

Getting mine on the 29th..

[Makaveli_786]

It was in US currency but for about 15 quid, it was the only one I saw in English though, the rest were in chinese.

[ultimategamer2004]

Good deal it is going too be £25 at launch here..

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, yeah but you need a modchip which costs 90 quid to fit in :P

[ultimategamer2004]

I've seen some mod chips for £35 that play imports.

[Makaveli_786]

I got a DMS 3.0 for 40 quid and 50 to fit it.

[ultimategamer2004]

What are all the fetures of that then..

I am thinking about getting a chip myself and i would like to install a dvd burner i know klawhammer has done it..

Wahoo 1000 post whore!!!

[oxygenuk]

why not use a ps2 boot disk.. i think that allows import games pirated games to be played etc :P anyway.. back on topic..? lol

[Makaveli_786]

Congrats postwhore :P

The advantages of the DMS are its reliable, can play Imports and copies of ps1 and ps2 games and DVD's, it works with the HDD(I think its the only one that does) and you can use it to store programs on the memory card.

[Kiwi]

You can't use the DMS with import online games. Because when you're playing online you have to put the DMS in stealth mode. Which then means you can't play import games. But anyway, back to GT4.

[Makaveli_786]

They have a program going around which combats that, they anticipated the whole this which is why they gave us the ability to download programs onto the memory card.

[KlawHammer]

Interesting i might just bet me a DMS modchip then.

[stanDarsh]

I thought you already had a DMS3 Klawhammer

[Fats]

This thread has gone well of topic... :(

Who is expecting the likes of Ferrari and Lamborghini to make an appearence in GT4? I know that a few Lambo's appeared in GT3, but for some reason they were withdrawn from the game.Why? :?

[Makaveli_786]

He wanted a full selection of European race cars and they gave him 2 or 3, I think it pissed him off.

Damn a ferrari 360 in GT4... That would be pretty breath taking :shock:

[Fats]

I would love to see a Ferrari 360 CS feature in GT4, the car was on Top gear last night and it looked stunning. :shock:

Not to mention the performance of the car... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah the dude was tearing it around the corners, good handling :D

[Fats]

The 911 GT3 RS was also a very good car, but the Ferrari did it for me...

http://www.2405.com/Wallpaper/Ferrari/360_CS/360CS01.jpg

Ummmmmm...

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/01/911gt3rs04_01.jpg

Ummmmmm...

Two cars that I would love to see in the final car-list for GT4...

[julps31]

Beautifal car. Thats the only thing that GT is missing European high performance sports cars. Ferrari and Lamborghini.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah it would be nice having super-charged Japanese beasts(AKA 1400 HP skylines) pitted against high performance Porsche 993's(top speed 234 MPH).

[Fats]

It would also be nice to see some classic sports cars as well...

http://www.motorfestival.co.uk/muria-300.jpg
Lamborghini Muria...

http://images.forbes.com/images/2002/05/27/feat_etype_415x273.jpg
Jaguar E-type...

http://www.webentory.com/clients/www.specialtysales.com/inventory_auto/pictures/a_2150-0.jpg
Lamborghini Countach...

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/ferrari/ferraridaytona_spyder_1.jpg
1966 Ferrari 365 GTB...

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/ferrari/ferrari_testarossa_20_1.jpg
1984 Ferrari Testarossa...

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Triumph/76_triumph_tr6_wgvr_03_02.jpg
1976 Triumph TR6...

[Makaveli_786]

I think if we do get European cars at all well get a big selection of European cars from early to late.

[julps31]

There so many cars in the game it would be hard to imagine that they didn't include European cars.

[Makaveli_786]

How the hell are they going to fit all those tracks and cars on a single DVD?

Will there be mutliple discs?

[julps31]

They might use a dual layer disk to get the data on one. Otherwise they'll probably use two.

[Makaveli_786]

I didnt know the PS2 could read double-layer discs, yet again another great thing about PS2 :D

[julps31]

Yeah. I think Final Fantasy used dual-layered disc.

[Makaveli_786]

Shit I heard FF11 takes up 11 gig of storage space on the HDD.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yesd a 1/4 of the total space somhow i dont think the hard drive is going to work out...
I think GT4 will most likly use multiple layer disks.

[Makaveli_786]

Im sure GTA5 will also follow suit, seems way too big to fit on a single disc.

[Kiwi]

Well when we come to GT5 we'll be on the PS3, so with Blu-Ray it probably won't be a problem.

[Fats]

Indeed, imagine the content that could be achieved...*drools* :shock:

[Kiwi]

Something to talk about in about 3 years I guess.

[Makaveli_786]

Shit I meant GTA4...

[Kiwi]

Then keep that to the GTA4 topic! :)

[Fats]

GT Photo Mode: The first snap-shot

OK, so nobody's head flew clean off with the sheer excitement when GT4 head honcho Kazunori Yamauchi revealed the new Photo Mode last week but, hey, it's GT4!

The first shot of this bizarrely self-indulgent mode in action at least shows us pretty much exactly how it'll work. A map allows you to position the car and camera to your no-doubt exacting compositional requirements, while controls for focus, aperture etc are reflected in the real-time preview.

We've also got the first shots of GT4's new car select menus. You can of course organise your wish-list and garage by maker but we'll be using the other method shown which plots the manufacturers against a timeline. Neat.

Gran Turismo 4 will be available in the UK this November

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/GT4e3_photo_mode.jpg

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/GT4e3_Maker_select.jpg

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/GT4e3_History_select.jpg

[Chris Metal]

that looks sweet, i applaud for a bit of innovation the series...finally. :D I'm getting more and more excited about GT4. although i've been more interested in MGS3 and Killzone :P

[Kiwi]

Wow, some nice features there. I think thet photo mode is a bit silly, but I like the idea of the historical cars. Reminds me a lot of Sega GT 2002 actually.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes it is a good idea and with over 500+ cars it was likly it would happen.

[Kiwi]

Well, they could've just put in modern cars, that's what they're pretty much done with the other games. Nice feature anyway.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes they could have..

How about the feature on GT2 where you could buy 2nd hand cars for cheap.. And there were only a few too chose from beacuse you dident have much money.

[Kiwi]

Yea, the same with the first game. But you couldn't really call them classic cars, a lot of the second-hand cars were from the mid-80's.

[ultimategamer2004]

Yes i know i was just on about the 2nd hand car feature do you think it was good i do?

I am happy that they have included classics.

[Kiwi]

The second-hand feature in the first game was great, because all of the modifications you could make were different with each car. Gave everything a bit more individuality.

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah it was a nice touch that I wouldnt mind seeing again.

[Kiwi]

I was annoyed that they got rid of it in the first place. Great feature.

[gaming ultima]

yea i would like to see that back as well, and the racing modifications thing where you could get those really cool paint jobs

[Kiwi]

and the racing modifications thing where you could get those really cool paint jobs

That's what we've been talking about. Or at least that's what I've been talking about anyway.

[Makaveli_786]

Shit I miss those racing mods :(

[Kiwi]

Time to root out my compy of GT1 I think.

[gaming ultima]

and the racing modifications thing where you could get those really cool paint jobs

That's what we've been talking about. Or at least that's what I've been talking about anyway.
oh right yea woops, i sort of rushed though reading it, this forum has so many members now popular threads get new posts so quick its hard to keep up
anyway yea, but if they were to bring back racing modifications maybe they should give you more control over it like in NFSU or something, and of course doing something like adding a spoiler would affect the weight and aerodynamics, i kinda remember polyphony saying something about that but i cant remember what, damn

[Makaveli_786]

Yeah that would be a pretty good idea, besides you could really add a whole new world to the gameplay if you had some kind of shows online which you ahd to choose the best looking car in :D

[Kiwi]

Haha, that would be pretty good, car beauty contests.

[gaming ultima]

Yeah that would be a pretty good idea, besides you could really add a whole new world to the gameplay if you had some kind of shows online which you ahd to choose the best looking car in :D
yea and to enter you have to put in some credits with the winnter of the contest taking all

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, damn id love to see that feature, I wonder how flexible the online options will be.

[Kiwi]

Well there's suppose to be 6-car racing I think. No voice communication in race, which is fair enough.

[Makaveli_786]

Well there's suppose to be 6-car racing I think. No voice communication in race, which is fair enough.

Thats probably a good idea, some guys act like pricks online sometimes.

[Kiwi]

They're supposed to be keeping voice chat to the lobby.

[Makaveli_786]

Just think in a few months ill be racing around in a 1200 HP Toyota Supra with you all following me on a track somewhere on the other side of the planet :D

[Kiwi]

Yea, just you wait. I'm gonna kick your ass! :)

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, I cant wait till all these great games come out, I hope they pop out around winter time though.

[KlawHammer]

Why the hell winter?

[Fats]

Christmas time ya fool! Besides, a lot of people tend to stay indoors around winter which means more gaming time! Of course if it's snowing, then that's a different matter as old man patterson's house is asking for the grotto effect...

[stanDarsh]

Winter is next month for such user's as Klawhammer and myself, because we live in the southern hemisphere ( that is unless Klawhammer is in the soviet union :P ). Hopefully that will sort the confusion.


BTW, Specialpro, you're avatar is gold! I hope it's just that I have a sick mind, and that the bear isn't doing what i think it is :P

[Fats]

He's just drying himself off, why what the hell did you think he was doing you sick bastard?! :lol:

I forgot that Klawhammer and others lived the southren hemisphere, my bad. :roll:

[Makaveli_786]

He's just drying himself off, why what the hell did you think he was doing you sick bastard?! :lol:

I forgot that Klawhammer and others lived the southren hemisphere, my bad. :roll:

LMAO.

Yeah winter because I dont have time to play games in summer.

[ultimategamer2004]

LOL, I cant wait till all these great games come out, I hope they pop out around winter time though.

Dont worry, all the games that have been put back have been schedualed for Autumm/winter i carnt wait.

[slayerx]

Its nearly Friday :)

[Fats]

**The heat is on... da da da da du...**

:P :P :P

[slayerx]

Is your bear doing air guitar :P

[Fats]

Erm... Yea... :lol:

I looked at the back of the box for Prologue today and it said that it's only a one player, which is a shame. :(

I was looking forward to kicking my mate's ass.

[Kiwi]

Is your bear doing air guitar :P

I bloody well hope he is!

Anyways, yea, it's a pain that Prologue isn't 2-player. I was quite looking forward to kicking some butt too.

[Makaveli_786]

He looks too happy I tell you!

[Fats]

There is such controversy surrounding my bear... I've got a bad feeling I'll be told to remove him. Poor snuggle woogs...

[Makaveli_786]

Your bear looks like hes wanking, if a wanking bear doesnt create controversy then what does :shock:

[Kiwi]

Your bear looks like hes wanking

And there it is. I was just waiting for someone to say that.

[Makaveli_786]

LOL, he does though!