View Full Version : Why oh why does the PS2's anti-aliasing suck so much?
Majora
09-30-2002, 01:43 PM
You know what I mean? When you are moving around in games like GT3 or FFX or others the screen display kinda gives a hazy flicker all the time. When you play cube and xbox its generally crystal clear but PS2 often looks dodgy.
What gives? Surely they'd fix up the anti-aliasing.
Storm_ Neo Defender
09-30-2002, 06:56 PM
Are you by any chance Paradex from the Playonline Forums? Cuz you complain a lot just like him..Stop being a bitch...
NAHHH J/K But seriouslyt tho are you Paradex?
.... Damn NeoDefender .... the kid was only asking a damn question.
Anyways, Im not sure why this is ....
I dunno, the PS2 is the weakest hardware wise from the three...
Maybe thats why? or if its powerful enough to get rid of that, then I have no clue lol
XX_revolution
09-30-2002, 09:13 PM
Its just the lame anti-alising capabilitys Sony put into the PS2.
Storm_ Neo Defender
09-30-2002, 09:14 PM
Kilq you do realize what J/K Means dont you?? Just Kidding?? You half brained freak!! And thats no Joke!
Storm_ Neo Defender
09-30-2002, 09:25 PM
If Joanna is a slut, then i think everyone in here would want a piece of that ass. I mean cmon you all remember crash site and the alien ship from the original PD right?? Remember in the beggining when she was grunting in pain..
Joanna: Ohhh, Uhhhhh, oooohhh
It sounded more like her puss was being ravaged by some perverted Fool rather than sounding like she was hurt..anyways shes hot.
Storm_ Neo Defender
09-30-2002, 09:26 PM
Ok How the hekc did my last post get in here???
.... You sick minded fuck ...
And I was telling you to shut up about the parawhatever stuff ....
Diesel
09-30-2002, 10:35 PM
I dont really experience that on my PS2, Majora...sorry
defgamer
09-30-2002, 10:38 PM
same here, i'm not sure if i'd see that. maybe cause im to into the game to notice,btw i do have those two games too and i didn't see that.
Diesel
09-30-2002, 11:49 PM
Yeah, I have both of those games as well...and I just put them both in and still didnt see what you were talking about...
Phaktor_Phive
09-30-2002, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Majora
You know what I mean? When you are moving around in games like GT3 or FFX or others the screen display kinda gives a hazy flicker all the time. When you play cube and xbox its generally crystal clear but PS2 often looks dodgy.
What gives? Surely they'd fix up the anti-aliasing.
I am pretty sure the anti-aliasing sucks on the ps2 because it doesn't have anti-aliasing.
Majora
10-01-2002, 12:35 AM
Why the hell wouldnt they put in anti-aliasing? That is sooooooooo stupid. Yet, the console is still the world leader.
Majora
10-01-2002, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Storm_ Neo Defender
If Joanna is a slut, then i think everyone in here would want a piece of that ass. I mean cmon you all remember crash site and the alien ship from the original PD right?? Remember in the beggining when she was grunting in pain..
Joanna: Ohhh, Uhhhhh, oooohhh
It sounded more like her puss was being ravaged by some perverted Fool rather than sounding like she was hurt..anyways shes hot.
You weirdo.
Majora
10-01-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by defgamer
same here, i'm not sure if i'd see that. maybe cause im to into the game to notice,btw i do have those two games too and i didn't see that.
Okay. If you're driving around in GT3 the crowd and banners are never perfectly clear. They look jaggied (due to no anti-aliasing) and often hazy.
In FFX (espicially in the Calm Lands I found) when you're running around the green grass is constantly flickering. It's never actually still.
Diesel
10-01-2002, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Majora
Okay. If you're driving around in GT3 the crowd and banners are never perfectly clear. They look jaggied (due to no anti-aliasing) and often hazy. Keep your eyes on the road, sonny!
Originally posted by Majora
In FFX (espicially in the Calm Lands I found) when you're running around the green grass is constantly flickering. It's never actually still. It's the wind, man...the wind!
Anyway, I guess I never really paid much attention to that (since Ive never noticed it). I normally dont try to disect every game down the to individual pixel.
Majora
10-01-2002, 02:53 AM
Keep your eyes on the road sonny....... good one! LMFAO
ChriZno
10-01-2002, 06:20 AM
*caugh-neo-defender-is-a-sick-fuck-caugh* :) :) :) J/K
Okay dudes u have to remember that the PS2 is waaaay old!!! At least compared to the cube and the xbox... the ps2 totally owned the market before most of us knew that the xbox and the cube were coming... so i guess sony didnt see the need for aa "back then"... cant think of any other reason why they shouldnt use aa... well i guess maybe antialiasing technology was expensive when they made plans with the respective hardware components producers... like the people that made the graphics adapter for the ps2... i bet the ps2 was planned a looong time ago, like around the time playstation1 got REALLY poplular... and then they used all that time up until now to perfectionize the ps2 and get affiliates and stuff... if NOT i really dont see why there is no AA (cause i know there isnt... its even easy to see :) )
Storm_ Neo Defender
10-01-2002, 07:12 AM
Aww come on now!! You Guys cant tell me that wasnt going through your mind when you heard her grunt come on!!
Seraph Sephiroth
10-01-2002, 07:51 AM
Neo you've disgraced Joanna's great name! YOU BURN NOW!!! ...nah, I dont care.. she's just a VG character anyway, and its not her fault, its the voice actor's. ^_^
Anyway, I dont really see any of those problems on my PS2 either...
Let me go check, Maybe your PS2 is .. defective.. lol
Majora
10-01-2002, 08:55 AM
Argh! The PS2 cant use anti-alias (I'm talking in-game graphics here).
If you cant notice the jaggies and fuzzies and flickering then you need an optomitrist and fast!
Or maybe we're into the game and arent looking at the game like we're in the passengers seat lmao
bryan
10-02-2002, 02:48 AM
Who said Gameplay > Graphics, Majora? Ha, you entertain me.
And the PS2's hardware is a year and a half older than the GC and Xbox's. Why is it the world leader because it doesn't have the latest technology? Wait, I'm getting a vision... NOBODY FUCKING CARES!
Majora
10-02-2002, 03:48 AM
Ha, Mysterio. So user-friendly you are....
Anti-aliasing existed many many years ago, a year and a half is unrelated.
Dorbin
10-02-2002, 06:28 PM
It has nothing to do with the PS2 being an "older system." Not trying to sound biased, but the Dreamcast had no problem with anti-aliasing, and as we all know it is older than the PS2. It was simply a silly oversight by Sony.
And I certainly see what Majora means about the jaggies. I don't even own a PS2 but I can see the a-a problems on their commercials.
bryan
10-02-2002, 06:56 PM
Yeah Majora, I'm just that nice to people. I wasn't bashing you or anything. A year and a half has a lot to do with their initial competition and profits though.
Dorbin, the Dreamcast had other problems, like not loading games (PSX style), skipping, overheating (more PSX?), etc. It was a good console, but every console has it's flaws. Sony KNEW it wasn't necessary to put in A-A, because normal people would buy the PS2 anyway, if it had it or not. Developers can put in Antialiasing technology on PS2 games, but it takes away from development time... so they typically don't do it.
If you'll notice, it's only a select few people here who care, or hell, even really notice. I've seen graphical flaws on all of the consoles I've played, and most aren't very noticeable, or a big deal. All I'm saying is: get over it.
snifit61255
10-02-2002, 10:03 PM
I say take up another hobbie instead of wasting your time looking for tiny flaws in video games. A.K.A GET A LIFE.
Majora
10-02-2002, 11:56 PM
Get a life? That's rich from soemone claiming to be HIGH OVERLORD.........
Diesel
10-03-2002, 02:19 AM
Lets see...posting on a GAMING FORUM and evidently spending a lot of time playing GAMES and then telling someone else to get a life...that's good.
bryan
10-03-2002, 05:22 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to tell them to get a life, but I do think it's not necessary to point out every flaw in a console with inferior hardware. We all know that, so there isn't much of any reason to point it out over and over again. The PS2 is still cool, it just has outdated hardware.
Mirai
10-04-2002, 04:08 PM
Yeah, I noticed this as well. My friend brought his PS2 over and said that buy the end of the day that I wouldn't be able to let him leave. He popped it on, I spent the entire day complaining about the horrible grainy look (Okay, it's not that bad, just not on par with GCN or XBOX) and he said it's better than GCN. Well, an hour of Smash Bros Melee later and he started saying "Well it's gameplay that matters". And yet strangely we didn't stop playing Smash bros for 4 hours before he had to go home yet the longest we played a PS2 game was an hour and a half, which was GTA3. That just made my day. And then it made my day last monday when he bought a GameCube and SSB:M :D
Dorbin
10-04-2002, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Mysterio
Dorbin, the Dreamcast had other problems, like not loading games (PSX style), skipping, overheating (more PSX?), etc. It was a good console, but every console has it's flaws.
Of course I know that the Dreamcast had problems; I never stated it didn't. I'm wise enough to know every console has flaws. ;)
bryan
10-09-2002, 07:33 PM
Good to hear, I just made sure you were aware, since there are almost too many people that see flaws in only one console...
Majora
10-10-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Dorbin
Of course I know that the Dreamcast had problems; I never stated it didn't. I'm wise enough to know every console has flaws. ;)
What flaws do cubes and boxes have?
Dorbin
10-10-2002, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Mysterio
Good to hear, I just made sure you were aware, since there are almost too many people that see flaws in only one console...
Yeah, fanboys can be quite annoying.
Shmagoolski
10-13-2002, 07:38 PM
some flaws for GC & Xbox
GC's discs have not much space
and Xbox is.......................uh....................
big
Mario'sDad
10-13-2002, 10:18 PM
PS2 does "step" anti-aliasing, like the N64. GC and Xbox use Full-scene AA. PS2 can use FSAA but it has to be done in software, which means more work for the game developer.
Dorbin
10-15-2002, 06:40 PM
Lazy game developers! Boo.
lol
Majora
10-15-2002, 10:31 PM
More like lazy hardware developers.
Mario'sDad
10-16-2002, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Majora
More like lazy hardware developers.
That's right. They're just throwing more shit on the developers lap. With the Xbox and GC the developer doesn't have to worry about it, the machine automatically cleans it up.
Uhm... does that problem even have to do with anti aliasing? I mean... afaik all AA did was fix edges, rendering the scene at a higher resolution then shrinking it down on your screen for superior quality. That's why you can't run software 4x4 FSAA on even the fastest PC's out there ^_~ Imagine 1024x768x32 resolution with 4x4 software FSAA... impossible ^_~
I do recognize the problem at hand, but I wouldn't say the lack of FSAA is to blame at all. Rather, it'd probably be a problem with the VSync. As far as I know, this doesn't happen in all games, just a few of them. And another thing I happen to have heard, is that the PS2 has no built-in support for VSync, most developers just implement it in software, but some don't, which causes flickers and stuff such as this.
Link of Zelda
10-18-2002, 11:23 PM
neo defender. shut upzelda
Dorbin
10-21-2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Link of Zelda
neo defender. shut upzelda
Where'd that come from?
bryan
10-22-2002, 01:45 AM
I'm just saying that it isn't a huge deal. Apparently, the consumers don't care too much.
ChriZno
10-22-2002, 02:00 AM
Well the games are really cool and there are a shitload of em, the console itself is a legend... it has a dvd drive that is fairly good, it has dolby digital 5.1 sound... and in spite of the aa being shitty (or not present at all :p), people buy it and it sells a hell of a lot more than the gcn and the xbox... so no worries, it just proves that gamers are more interested in good games than PERFECT graphics (the way it should be...) :)
Majora
10-22-2002, 02:21 AM
Do you think that the PS2 would still be the market leader if games couldnt be copied or burnt? I think not.
Personally I've never used pirate games. But I know most people do.
ChriZno
10-22-2002, 02:25 AM
Hmm yeah u might have a point there... on my comp I have NO original games, all burnt!!! But as far as console gaming goes, i HATE burnt games, cant stand them... dunno why really but it seems fake and shit... aah i cant explain it :p
*pats her CD-Writer* hello my best friend ^_^ without you, I would be either:
1) Without 80% of my gaming experience
2) Being in the position of having to pay back MILLIONS to different companies...
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