Psp = $150!?

[GleefulFarewell]

look what i found...it cant be true...can it?

According to OPM UK - there will be 3 PSP Packages that varies in price.

PSP by itself - $149.99

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PSP package 1 - $ 199.99

Features:
1 rechargable battery
1 charger(for the battery)
16mb memorystick duo

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PSP package 2 - $ 299.99

Features:
1 rechargable battery
1 charger(for the battery)
16mb memorystick duo
64mb memorystick
Strap with built in headphones
Camera

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PSP package 3 (the media package) - $349.99

Features:
1 rechargable battery
1 charger(for the battery)
16mb memorystick duo
64mb memorystick
Strap with built in headphones
Camera
256mb memory stick PRO duo
Aluminium alloy case
GPS device
Translation software

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The battery life has been announced but it's just a well educated estimation by Sony based on old figures. It's 8 - 15 hours depending on the game but still set to change.

[Viper]

hahahahaha....never read such BS from an official mag in my life.

[GleefulFarewell]

hahahahaha....never read such BS from an official mag in my life.


lol...ok...making shure because everyone(on another site) thinks the PSP will cost that much...

[SuperLuigiBros]

if thats right, no one will ever EVER buy the first thing without the recharable battery. that would mean that u would have to buy batteries. and it would be like using a laptop on a couple of AA batteries.


wait a sec....camera?....gps device??!?!?!?!?!??...translation software?@!??!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!111?!??!111

wat the fuck is sony thinking?

[Viper]

If Sony wants to take that big of aloss from each one, then they are about to lose more money then they ever have.

Too many analysts have guessed it will cost at least $350.00 to manufacture near launch. If they sell 5 million PSP's in the first year, that's a loss of $1 billion dollars. If I remember, Sony wanted to make profit from each sold, not a loss.


Manfred Gerdes, SCEE German Managing Director 2 weeks ago said 33,000 yen for Japan and that is $300.00 in USD.

[Sendok]

1 rechargable battery
1 charger(for the battery)

on man this is rich, this makes it sound like you need to take the battery out to charge, so much for charging while watching a movie or playing a game.

i guess im the only one to find this funny...

[Markopolo356]

Thats is the worst Bull I have seen in a long time. April Fools!, oh wait its not April.

[OutlawAdidas]

also, why buy the first package....you'd still need to get a memory stick, so why not opt for the 2nd package. Also the 3rd packagae is just stupid. They might as well make a 4th package and include a toaster

[Vishus]

How do we know this is bull?

OPM = Opium? LOL j/k

[prime_timer]

also, why buy the first package....you'd still need to get a memory stick, so why not opt for the 2nd package. Also the 3rd packagae is just stupid. They might as well make a 4th package and include a toaster

A toaster wouldnt be a bad idea. At least you'd have something useful after your PSP dies.

[Michael]

That is definately not real....damn, these game mags have got to stop saying dumb shit all the time...

[Dorbin]

That's one of the most ludacris things I've ever read.

[speed stick]

That would be pretty sick if Sony diden't include a rechargable battery.

[OutlawAdidas]

oh man, after 2 hours my first PSP battery died. Let me put in my 2nd one and play for 2 more hours

[Serene Samus]

Sony would never do this They would lose an insane amount of money.

[Pro A.]

Yeah, that article is bullshit. The starting price can't be lower than three hundred, not with all that crap in the system.

[OutlawAdidas]

yea.......but here is hopin that they do do it

[prime_timer]

Let's make a toast, to hoping Sony under prices the PSP and loses a lot of money. *raises glass*

[OutlawAdidas]

*raises shoutgun* here here

[goku2057]

I'm going to laugh when this turns out to be true, and it makes you all look like asses.

[Serene Samus]

They want it be true. So Sony would lose money.

[Sendok]

Well lets suppose this price is true.

Can you image the hike on the price of UMD movies or games? my god...

[OutlawAdidas]

either way we will win

[neo999955]

Let's make a toast, to hoping Sony under prices the PSP and loses a lot of money. *raises glass*

So everyone buys a PSP, and then a few games, Sony begins making money on it after two years, takes over the handheld buissness, Nintendo folds, hmm, I don't want to raise my glass to that.

[OutlawAdidas]

mmmmm, I wonder wat that GBE would be like

[X_dawg]

It's fake.


http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9765&page=2&pp=15

There's a supposed scan that's picked apart as a sloppy photoshop job.

[Serene Samus]

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/image.php?u=1115&dateline=1093297703

HOT!!!

That's definately a fake. Well, it was pretty obvious.

[goku2057]

either way we will win


Wow. What do you think people said Nintendo would do to Sony when they launched the PS originally?

It's that kinda fucking talk that got Nintendo in the predicament that it is currently in. Stop the cocky bastard talk and realize that SOny is a serious contender.

[Viper]

Goku, it's the other way around. Sony is the one being cocky, not Nintendo. Sony expects its fans to buy a very expensive piece of hardware while completely abandoning the developers that made the PS so popular.

Sony got love from the devs because Nintendo was giving them none and Sony did. Low dev cost, CD, tech support, dev help, etc..... This time, it's Nintendo that is giving the devs what they want while Sony is resting on it's name to get devs to support them.

Nintendo thought because they are Nintendo that devs would not go to Sony and would stick by their side. They were seriously mistaken. Now Sony is doing the exact same thing and what do we hear almost daily? Another dev is pissed off at sony regarding the PSP.

If the devs aren't happy, gamers aren't happy. Nintendo learned this. Sony took over because of this but seems as though they have forgotten.

[Nights]

Basically the trueth is...

Sony hasn't released any information on the price or battery life...

Nintendo fanboys are extremely scared of the PSP and try to trash it in anyway possible. They won't listen to reason at all. One article from a ok source compared to three articles in different magazines on the PSP battery life and they say the one is official because thet're scared.

Another example is if you like the PSP your called a casual gamer, which run the market... (so if all casual gamers love the psp, more reason to be scared)

Basically just wait and see. They are going to release the low price information when Nintendo does there show, and take away some of it's thunder. Typical Sony move, however I don't like it...

[Viper]

Scared, no...I'm watching as Sony flushes down the toilet the very reason they became a player in this market to begin with.

Asking devs to cut down on the content in games so as not to be too intensive on the battery is the worst thing you can do.

You don't give someone $100.00 and then tell them they can only spend $50.00

[Nights]

Yet the best looking games Code Arms for example are still under its requirements and there jaw dropping... Even if it was on the Xbox.

[Viper]

And you know it's under requirements how? Sony just told devs to start using a battery estimating device 3 days ago.

[Nights]

because Sony already gave it the OK... (Life is good)

[Viper]

http://www.nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28313

Nights, this just came out, how could they have tested it already? I don't think you are aware of what I'm speaking of.

All the games have been greenlighted already but soon, they will undergo a testing in teh newer dev kits to maintain a low level of power consumption.

Currently, the devs have no way of knowing just how much battery their games will drain so they are making them as graphically intensive as possible but they are about to have to cut them way down or the battery will die in less than 2 hours.

[Nights]

What you don't realize is that Code Arms doesn't come close to using the PSP full power. Konami has already stated that.

[Viper]

Nights, I wouldn't expect a pre-relased developed game to fully utilize the systems power but at the same time, that is what makes it worse. Konami has nothing to base it's power consumption against. Also being a first gen game on the system, Konami hasn't learned any battery consumption saving tricks yet.

[Nights]

So you don't know how much/if at all impact it'll have over the current games.

Problem solved.

Just like battery/price/you'll have to wait tell an official statement.

[Viper]

So you don't know how much/if at all impact it'll have over the current games.

Problem solved.

Just like battery/price/you'll have to wait tell an official statement.


Yet the best looking games Code Arms for example are still under its requirements and there jaw dropping... Even if it was on the Xbox.
You're voting for Kerry aren't you?

[Sendok]

Personally, im a bit worried for the PSP, isn't it close to release in Japan? and yet we don't know battery life yet, nor do devs... something doesn't look good here.

[Nights]

I am voting for Kerry...

Bush I know is bad
Kerry is still a wild card, I'd rather go for a whild card than keep a president that I already know SUCKS!

This is just my opinion...

(The PSP can techinically do better graphics than the current generation with the NURB being used it can outperform with the small screen to make games look way better) The reason games look so good is NURB!

PS: I'm worried to Nyark...just like I'm worried that the DS features are going to not be utilized to the revolutionary step that they are claimed to be. So many things un answered for both.

[Shotgun Plasma]

it still too much.

[r33hash]

What? 150 bucks still too much? Guess you won't be buying the DS then either.

[Shotgun Plasma]

no I mean about battery recharge thingy.

[r33hash]

*is lost, once again, thanks to Shotgun's beautimous typing skills*

<3

[Viper]

He is trying to say that Armed Core uses too much system resources and will drain the battery and once sony gets a battery optimizer on it, they will have to do some reduction in the games resource allocation and disc usage.

[Shotgun Plasma]

thank you viper, u my hero.

[koten]

Basically the trueth is...

Sony hasn't released any information on the price or battery life...

Nintendo fanboys are extremely scared of the PSP and try to trash it in anyway possible. They won't listen to reason at all. One article from a ok source compared to three articles in different magazines on the PSP battery life and they say the one is official because thet're scared.

Another example is if you like the PSP your called a casual gamer, which run the market... (so if all casual gamers love the psp, more reason to be scared)

Basically just wait and see. They are going to release the low price information when Nintendo does there show, and take away some of it's thunder. Typical Sony move, however I don't like it...

I swear you are withdrawn into your own little world. You can't see all the obvious advantages Nintendo has in this battle, and all the pitfalls Sony has in front of them.

Sony is pissing of Devs, that is a bad thing. No devs means no consumers, no consumers means no sales and no sales means even bigger losses.

Look Nights, you have to realize that Sony is being ARROGANT. Nintendo has the handheld market all to themselves and they are damn well determined to keep it that way. Then we have Sony who think they can waltz right in and grab it away with no effort. That is the epitome of arrogance.

You may not want to believe it, but the signs are everywhere. Nintendo is out for blood in this battle and Sony is going to be pushing them around any more.

[Sendok]

This is just my opinion...

(The PSP can techinically do better graphics than the current generation with the NURB being used it can outperform with the small screen to make games look way better) The reason games look so good is NURB!

PS: I'm worried to Nyark...just like I'm worried that the DS features are going to not be utilized to the revolutionary step that they are claimed to be. So many things un answered for both.

So when you hook the PSP up to the PS2 or PS3 *whatever system Sony said it could connect to* the games will look like shit on the large screen?

Also, if the DS isn't used in a revolutionary way for most developers thats one thing. Also what is "revolutionary" to you? is it just the use of the touch pad...or does it lie in seeing character stats in one screen and a battle on another? Does it involve something like Advance wars on the top screen while pictochat is seen on the bottom? Its safe to say that most games won't use all of the DS's features. Simply due to the fact that in the console relm devs still don't use every bit of every feature they can do to optomize a game on whatever system.

However, atlest dev's know what they are dealing with. And that they have free reign to create whatever they feel like on this new machine *in refernce to 2 screens and a touch pad*

Unlike the PSP where devs don't know battery life, don't know final specs, don't know what is considered taxing the battery way to much. and a personal big one for me, where is the hype for the UMD version of DVD's? its non-existant. I don't see hear about people saying things like they did when Dvix and DVD were comming out. Nor do i hear any praise over the idea of not being able to by movies for the PSP and not beign able to play them on a TV. *afterall wouldn't the UMD be coded to match the screen size of hte PSP and not a standard TV like you have pointed out before?

My god..the only thing people know for sure are a list of games, the fact it uses a memory stick, and what it looks like. Sure you can play music, but it can't even play MP3's. I honstly don't know how sony can cover that up. I don't want to spend time converting my songs to a lower quality so i can play them on my PSP that might just be dead by the time i decide to listen to a song.

Everyone knows that recharageable batteries don't keep the ability to hold a full change for ever. What is sony's plan to make sure this dosen't affect the overall use of the PSP?

Why is the Japanese release of the PSP getting closer and closer and none of these issues resolved?

How is Sony going to differentiate the PSP, from the digital walkman, and the sony vaio pocket. All three devices play into each others terriority? espically the PSP and vaio *if you remember sony discontinued the clie to make room for the Vaio*

[Michael]

Nights, the Ds is aimed for a casual audiance. Why the hell would they plan a 40 million dollar launch in america first. THe casual gamers reaction to this product isn't as bad as you think, infact I think it's the exact opposite of what you think.

No matter what you say, it is, people flip out when they figure out what it can do. People like change, and as for graphical capablities, it is quite capable. Sure it's not the apitamy of this generation, but it can emulate dreamcast quite well, which isn't a bad thing...expecially seeing that the cel-shading is first rate.

Not having a analog is a bad thing, or is it. We don't know what they have planned for the system, but games like fist of the north star will keep a mature audience occupied. For crist sake, developers have made a phone for the system...though it's limited to hotspots, if warppipe is any indication of what the ds will be able to do, then even that obsticle will fall to the wayside.

People still can't get over the fact that the system itself is 150.00$, nor can I. I'm kinda waiting for the developers of gb video to come over to the Ds, which will probably happen, and open up a new door of what they can do as far as video's are concerned, without people having to pay for it when they don't want, or need it.

The psp will accomplish what it was made to do, there's not doubt about that, that does make it a safer system then the Ds, but the way developers have taken to it is phenominal. Even more now that the psp will have power constrictions. The idea of the psp is great, but the ds is breaking molds that's why I'm more into that system. The touch screen can be made to do what developers want, and inhance gameplay.

Maybe the reason why nintendo left off the analog was a way for developers to not get distracted from the touchscreen, which would probably mean it may be used to it greater response to what the fans want, more then a developers system but a gamers system. The idea's for the system are great, but as time goes on the better the games will end up being, they have to become better, it's logical.

Lets say call of duty ds, using graphics that were only used half way through the systems life, because the developers never developed for the 64, they used the touch screen simply to shot, and the second screen as a map. Simple idea, completely plausable for a first gen Ds game. But for there second game, they use the nanostray engine, and take advantage of it's updated particle effects, and deep team play...The second screen is no longer just a map, the fans thought it was dull, so they listened to them, now it's on part voice channel, one part map, one part death list, at the top there's the sever name, and at the bottom is map name...Imagine the game with your own secret channels, but someone went channel surfing to find your channel. As a team you'd have to figure out how to deal with this, maybe switching channels in a certain order, or encryping them by completing a minigame at the beginning of the round to that chooses the strength of the encryption...ultimate team play...and though you think it might not be possible, or no developer will do it, when the fans are up in a uproar it's bound to happen...even if it's starts slow...I don't see your gripe...

[Nights]

Talk about calling the pot calling the Kedal black... lol

THE PSP HAS MP3 SUPPORT. Read my board you'd know this already.

Alot of your guys so called loopholes are sometime blatant lies. (because your just as bad as I am, hate to break it to yah)

and capable of DC graphics? Don't you realize that the N64, which is basically what the DS is capable, doesn't come close to the Dreamcast.

DREAMCAST:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/dc/sc-06.jpg
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/dc/sc-08.jpg
http://dcmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/E32K/Sega_Shenmue/bg07.jpg
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/games/reviews/nfl2k2/1b.jpg
http://www.gamerankings.com/screens4/197066/36.jpg
http://www.gamerankings.com/screens4/197066/42.jpg
http://www.gamerankings.com/screens4/340773/1.jpg

[Sendok]

^capible of DC looking because of the small screen? *confused*

good to hear it can suppot MP3 *unlike some other sony products*

[Michael]

Nights, your mistaken if you don't believe the ds can produce graphics similar to that...as I said before, you were at e3, you saw metriod...but if you must go on...

2 Videos (becuase screens give it no justice) :

http://media.ds.ign.com/media/682/682835/vids_1.html
http://media.ds.ign.com/media/682/682839/vids_1.html

Edit: 1 more just because I'm interested in this game...:
http://media.ds.ign.com/media/682/682879/vids_1.html

Screens (they'll get the job done...):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/up7322.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/metroid-prime-hunters-20040512010830719.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/submarine-demo-20040915102805922.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/submarine-demo-20040915102805110.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/submarine-demo-20040915102804282.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/922246_20041001_screen004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/922246_20041001_screen003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/922246_20041001_screen002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/922246_20041001_screen001.jpg

Btw...the nanostray engine is for sale...and yeah...a hell of alot better then 64...so for the love of god stop comparing it to that...most of the games coming out for the system are 2d. Call it it's own system atleast...damn...

Edit(2d games):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/naruto-20040925111728791.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/ds-gets-tennis-no-ouji-sama-20041003110640357.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/ds-gets-tennis-no-ouji-sama-20041003110639686.jpg

Last Edit: New screen Nanostray in action...it seems as thought the 2 that looked like screenshots were screenshots...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/tooHuman/nanostray-1.jpg

[r33hash]

Dude....that looks about on par with the N64. I think the critics must be right.

[OutlawAdidas]

don't you find it ironic that Sony is doin the same thing they did with the PS2 and that was hype up the system with specs and images. Whereas the DS has done everything that the PSP hasn't

[goku2057]

Goku, it's the other way around. Sony is the one being cocky, not Nintendo. Sony expects its fans to buy a very expensive piece of hardware while completely abandoning the developers that made the PS so popular.

Sony got love from the devs because Nintendo was giving them none and Sony did. Low dev cost, CD, tech support, dev help, etc..... This time, it's Nintendo that is giving the devs what they want while Sony is resting on it's name to get devs to support them.

Nintendo thought because they are Nintendo that devs would not go to Sony and would stick by their side. They were seriously mistaken. Now Sony is doing the exact same thing and what do we hear almost daily? Another dev is pissed off at sony regarding the PSP.

If the devs aren't happy, gamers aren't happy. Nintendo learned this. Sony took over because of this but seems as though they have forgotten.

(Let Outlaw stick up for himself)

While true, basically...You see...I swear I posted in here before.

[Nights]

don't you find it ironic that Sony is doin the same thing they did with the PS2 and that was hype up the system with specs and images. Whereas the DS has done everything that the PSP hasn't
:dur:

If I remember correctly Nintendo has been overhyping the DS features. When you play them there not nearly as great as they make them sound.

[Viper]

Same could easily be said for the PSP.

[Nights]

DAH... but they were making it sound like sony is the only one this time...

[Viper]

Hyping features and claiming a victory before launch are two different things.

You can hype all the features you want but to blatantly say the other guy is going to lose just because you are Sony or Nintendo is the problem.

Nintendo did this in 1996 and now Sony is doing it.

[Nights]

Sony never said they would when, they said they were going after a different market.

Nintendo never said they would win, they said they were going after a different market than the PSP.

Nintendo was cocky to the consumer (no analog)
Sony is cocky by letting the price and battery life details drag on so long, giving Nintendo fanboys strong hope/something to feed on.

If you asked me it seems pretty even, because somebody could argue both ways.

[goku2057]

don't you find it ironic that Sony is doin the same thing they did with the PS2 and that was hype up the system with specs and images. Whereas the DS has done everything that the PSP hasn't


Wow. Which system is in the lead right now?


And another thing, the DS doing everything that the PSP hasn't isn't always a good thing either.

[Viper]

I'm talking about the takeover of the home market. Nintendo was arrogant. Gave little to consumers and expected devs to stay with Nintendo just because they are Nintendo.

Sony is expecting to win over the handheld market. They are being arrogant. They think consumers will buy the high priced unit because its Sony and they expect devs to stay with them because they are Sony.

Nintendo was wrong.
Sony is finding it is now wrong.

[Nights]

Considering how no official price has been released you really don't have a leg to stand on that one yet.

However Nintendo is in the wrong for not including Analog (you just can't argue with that) hmmmm....

We'll see when/if at all Sony really is going to do this ridiculous price you Nintendo fanboys are praying for. I'll be happy when they officially announce it and shut the fanboys up. We all know it's not going to be 350...at least your going down from the 500 dollar price 2 months ago... (rolls eyes)

[Viper]

What does price have to do with pissing off developers like I'm talking about?

[Vishus]

Well I like both graphics but I never used that to decide when buying a system.

toohuman! I saw that third video! Is that really a new Mario game in the sidescrolling series? When was the last one? Super Mario World 2/Yoshi's Story? Thats amazing. I want that to be my first DS game.

[Michael]

Well, I think that the Ds graphics are a step above the 64, and go alittle more into dreamcast territory. They have the same type of bright, yet somewhat plasticly look in some of the original games...monster rancher, nanostray and at the same time being smooth, they remind me of the dreamcast, except some games like metriod which remind me of...metriod... Not including a analog is a bold move. You can argue the cockines of it, but the I make this fact well known when I talk about the Ds in my everyday life. It's not as much as a detourent as you might think Nights, but it is undoubtedly unfortunate...

I also believe the ds will be a bigger way for fans to interact with there systems. I mean 1 person having a game and letting 16 other people download the game from them is big. Though sony tried to steal this feature, they couldn't in the end...maybe it will show up later though. The fans demand will effect how the systems games are, not just the developers, they will find the feature they can do with the touch screen and run with it...it's kinda like the opposite of the ps2, which every game in a series is the same, and developers lossing money on it.

If the feature is good, they'll keep enhancing it in the series, unless they do a new game. It kinda limits the psp right there. In effect developers aren't competing with nintendo's games, like the cube, and hopefully fans will be nagging developers what to improve, like in the WWE games.

But I wanna know Nights why your entire decision lying on a single feature not being there...

[Nights]

they are not even close to dreamcast territory.

They are high quality N64.

Dreamcast is about PS2 quality... DS is not! Compare the pictures...

I.E. Dead or Alive 2 for the dreamcast looked better than anything released on the PS2 at the time. The PS2 version was graphically worse... and your comparing it to the DS to the Dreamcast?

[Michael]

Dude, I said they remind me of dreamcast, and you pulled out shen-mue, very few games can compete...but games like nanostray look like a meduim game or higher for the cast...

Edit: not to mention sonic...the ds can play off of dumbed down engines...but they system itself has a smaller screen...you do the math...

[Nights]

You say that but it's the highest graphic achievment for the DS so far... It's the DS shenmue at this time.

Metriod looked good but nothing like an actual dreamcast FPS.

[Michael]

^I didn't say it wasn't the shenmue of the ds...it is by far...but some of the other games I've seen have the same feel, bright colors and plasticy look of the cast...look at monster rancher...

[OutlawAdidas]

:dur:

If I remember correctly Nintendo has been overhyping the DS features. When you play them there not nearly as great as they make them sound.


Actually if I remember right, Nintendo didn't even think that te DS would have this kinda impact. Iwata kept on sayin that he didn't believe that the DS would cut it and it would be one of Nintendos innovative yet failed project. Then after E3 and everything, Nintendo has this whole new view on the DS. Sony started hypin the PSP first. Its probable Death Jr video and so forth.



Originally posted by Goku2057

Wow. Which system is in the lead right now?


Thats a no brainer, the PS2.....in consoles, I'm talkin handheld and making references to the actions that sony took before the PS2 came out. I remember looking in a magazine and seein these screenshots of the PS2.A mans face which looked phenomenal. They said that the PS2 would be able to do that easily, yet all I see is that it can only do it in FMV. They hyped it up. Also talkin about shitty things like an emotion engine. Sayin that the PS2 would affect your emotions. If you don't think thats bullshit, then.........