Official Nintendo Conference Thread

[Viper]

Event: Nintendo Presentation @ E3 2012

When: June 5th, 9:00am PT/ 12:00pm ET/ 4:00pm GMT

Viewing Options:
E3.nintendo.com (http://e3.nintendo.com) - Full stream
Spike TV (http://www.spike.com/shows)
MTV2 (http://www.mtv.com/mtv2/)
Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/NintendoAmerica)
Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/Nintendo)
Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Nintendo)







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[OmniStalgic]

Looking forward to seeing that Sick Zelda title, hopefully with a short gameplay session.

[Viper]

I'd be very surprised if we see a Zelda title or even an announcement of one since they just released Skyward Sword last November.

That demo shown at E3 last year was just a demo. Though we do know for certain they are working on a new title, just that the demo shown was not directly related to the actual new title.


I'm curious to see if they live up to their promise of reconnecting with 3rd parties. They've done a much better job so far than they did with GC and Wii but it's all multiplatform so far. Not a bad thing to be sure but I want to know what little nuggets of gold are hidden behind the strictest NDA's in video game history?

[Viper]

Further proof they are making E3 a very big deal.

Here is the West Hall layout and allocated floor space. Nintendo and Sony are in their usual neighborly configuration.

http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2012_4/1336511618.jpg


However, the big "available" spot to the right (5244) is also being taken up by Nintendo.

http://e312.mapyourshow.com/5_0/exhibitor_results.cfm?type=alpha&alpha=N


This would make it not only the largest Nintendo booth ever but the largest booth for anyone at any E3 event ever.

EDIT:
Looks like Sony may be taking the corresponding booth just as Nintendo is. Booth 4144 look sot be going to Sony as well as their usual 4522 booth.

I don't see any extra booths for MS yet.



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Don't forget you are looking at an incomplete list. All that was shown last E3 was game already announced plus Killer Freaks. As you can see from the information above, they are going all out this E3.

As for it not being much more powerful than the current consoles, word is that Wii U will handle the UE4 engine which, according to Epic, is NOT coming to PS3 and X360.

[OmniStalgic]

I'm actually happy with a $150 PS3 with Sorcery and Move Bundled, Fall Bundle it with the Last of US, next year bundle it with The Last Guardian, etc...I think Sony, especially out of all three can really make there software do the talking for another year and half and release PS4 in 2015, unless sales for Wii-U (Segitz; why you u keeping saying Wuu lol?) amnd Xbox Next are astronomically good, no reason for Sony to not be the more powerful platform again, but this time without breaking the bank.

[Generosity of God]

while it's nice to read Viper's and Segitz's views on the hardware side of things, i think i'll stay away from that and say what games i'm looking forward to seeing at the conference and the rest of E3.

Looking forward to seeing
- Pikmin 3
- Mario Wii U
- New Super Mario Bros 2
- Killer Freaks from Outer Space
- if the developers have done anything differently for the Wii U versions of Aliens: Colonial Marines, Assassin's Creed III, Batman: Arkham City, Ghost Recon Online, etc

Hoping for
- Resident Evil 6 Wii U announcment
- Dead Space 3 Wii U announcement
- New Zelda for 3DS (or Majora's Mask remake)
- info on what some studios like Retro, Monolith Software, etc have been working on.
- addition of GBA to 3DS virtual console

i'm sure there's plenty of other things i could write but that would require more effort

[Segitz]

Hm... hoping for third party games^^ That's quite telling, imho (well, it's a similar hope from me to get games for PC, but RE6 and DS3 will surely come to PC, RE was already announced).

I am actually looking forward to Nintendos "blueprint" usage of the tablet in their "Wuu Sports" equivalent. It'll look horrid etc. but it will surely tell us what they had in mind when designing the device.

[Viper]

Thread cleaned up.

Debate on Wii U specs and 3rd party support PRIOR to the conference can be handled at the link below.
http://e-mpire.com/showthread.php/124921-Official-Wii-U-Spec-And-Rumor-Thread?goto=newpost

[Viper]

E3 live stream.

http://e3.nintendo.com/

[solidsnakejej]

You can add SpikeTV and MTV2 to the viewing options
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/21/nintendos-got-more-than-a-few-ways-to-watch-its-e3-2012-press-c/

[Segitz]

That's at least one I can watch live... the Sony one is (again) in the middle of the night for us Europeans. Not sure if I want to, though...

[ocarinamask]

I hear rumors of Valve and Nintendo working together? Could any of this be true?

[Viper]

I hear rumors of Valve and Nintendo working together? Could any of this be true?

Nintendo stated last year at E3 that they wanted to utilize 3rd parties to help them with their online network.

Valve has openly stated they want Steam on Wii U.


That's about all we know. What will come of that is to be learned in 2 weeks.

[solidsnakejej]

Nintendo having a pre-E3 broadcast tomorrow
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nintendo_direct_pre_e3_2012/en/index.html

[Incidentally Iwata, concrete information about the game of Wii U, rather than the Direct of tomorrow, so you tell in the E3 presentation of Wednesday from 1:00 am Japan time, thank you. ‬ ‪ # NintendoDirectJP ‬ ‪ # Iwata_E3'
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/209016645652463616&usg=ALkJrhilAyjrvEY9F-HujNQoZJI9Bcr6oQ

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Nintendo taking protecting from leaks to a new level
http://www.gamekyo.com/newsfr46956_les-caisses-de-nintendo-photographiees-a-los-angeles.html
http://i.imgur.com/k2d7f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bhzcp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dgASp.jpg

[Viper]

Another round of rumored info, coming from a supposed European development house with several Wii U projects in the pipeline...

- achievement system also allows you to gain points
- a certain amount of points nets you access to additional features

“We have a lot of freedom with the Wii U points system, we can add “brackets” for players, e.g. if you amass X points you get promoted into a new bracket with awards such as new MP [multiplayer] skins. It’s basically what we’ve been asking Microsoft to do for years. Players who earn points by completing the game should be awarded. We can do that now.”

- cloud storage will be “a few hundred MB”
- this will be free to all players
- once again, due out 2013
- social networking features like Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook in Wii U
- upload screenshots to Facebook accounts, auto-Tweet game progress and record/upload game videos to YouTube

"They’re working on a UI overlay for the OS to add Twitter and FB notifications, but so far we haven’t seen it. They’ve reserved a lot of system memory for stuff like that. There isn’t much documentation about it in the new SKD, but they’ve told us it’ll be available in the future.”

- Nintendo Network on Wii U includes new avatars with a lot more features than the original Miis
- use the Wii U controller’s built-in camera to take pictures of yourself
- use these pics to create digital avatars that resemble high-definition Miis
- Miis can then be imported into games

“There’s an API for the camera to scan faces and turn them into low-res 3D versions for games. But it’s still buggy as hell and it depends a lot on the kind of engine you’re running.”

- porting current gen games to the Wii U isn’t as easy as originally thought

“(Games made on 360 will be) much easier to port to Wii U than PS3 versions. A lot less headache involved because their architecture is similar. Technically, you can just recompile X360 to the Wii U and it’ll pretty much run, but PS3 to Wii U is much much trickier.”

- latest SDK hardware is final, but the software keeps updating

“We’ve spent a lot of time creating our own tools for the X360 this generation, and we’ve already tweaked a lot of the tools to work on the Wii U. But if you code on the Wii U from ground up and have to use middleware, it’s probably gonna be tougher than doing an X360 game from ground up.”

The Triforce.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/591398423.jpg

[Unspoken]

I like the idea of a "tiers" kind of system for achievements, as it may actually convince me to 100% complete a game every now and then.

Of course, more rumor from nameless sources, so taking it with a grain of salt. But based on what Nintendo has tried to convey with the system and what we've been hearing of specs, this is probably the most vanilla and believable rumor I've heard.

[masteratt]

All of that seemed very credible to me. Granted they are pretty 'safe' features to leak so maybe that's why. Nice idea to give points for achievements. Though I am kinda annoyed points system remains.

I actually am not a fan of fiddling with Mii/character creation so picture to avatar feature works well hopefully. 3DS didn't get very close if I recall correctly.

I am 100% open to getting the WiiU so I genuinely hope the conference blows me away and gets me super excited about it.

[Segitz]

Hm... wonder why they think porting from PS3 will be so hard? I mean, isn't the Wuu supposed to be a million times faster, and thus could run even PS3 code emulated? (*troll*)

Good thing is the "free cloud" stuff. Sony should follow suite. Though I doubt it.

[solidsnakejej]

The Triforce.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/591398423.jpg

under 4 hours till Nintendo Pre-E3 show (https://www.facebook.com/WiiU/app_385608378148291)

http://i.minus.com/iPgSfKfGJl062.png

[solidsnakejej]

1 hour til pre-e3 show.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nintendo_direct_pre_e3_2012/en/index.html

[Crazybone126]

How about we put this link instead. (e3.nintendo.com)

[solidsnakejej]

It's basically the same anyways.

[Viper]

4 minutes.

[solidsnakejej]

70k+ viewers

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Some screens
http://i.imgur.com/IO5gW.png
http://i.imgur.com/bQMrN.png
http://i.imgur.com/rVW90.png
http://i.imgur.com/qEi7m.png

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So this is what Nintendo think hardcore gamers are like?

[Segitz]

God... the zombie killer video thing... worst writing ever^

[solidsnakejej]

"Call me Grandpa"
http://i.imgur.com/zbbOo.jpg

[Segitz]

Ah... I won't bother any further for now. I will wait for the details tomorrow.

[venomv]

You didn't miss anything after that...

Man that guy almost literally put me to sleep.

[masteratt]

He


was


talking


so



slow.



Neat tidbits here and there, will be good to see them extended at the conference.

[Crazybone126]

Well, let's actually talk about what they discussed.

To me, the Nintendo Network is practically its own social network. And what they're doing to ensure that, globally, people are connected with one another is brilliant.

PS: If you're expecting Nintendo to gloat about their system specifications, then you're looking into the wrong company. Even when they were on top of the home console power lists, they never gloated about their system specs. They usually just release a system specifications list much after their E3 conference without making much of a fuss about it. Tuesday is going to be about the software, not the hardware.

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He


was


talking


so



slow.



Neat tidbits here and there, will be good to see them extended at the conference.

English.

Is

Not

His

Primary


Language.

Don't

Be

Mean.

Mmkay?


Wow, I am NEVER going to write like that ever again. That's just...woah.

[solidsnakejej]

The social network is interesting to me in how are they going to regulate it. Look at the Wii codes that you have to put in do they have another system for that?

Same thing with the video chat.

I expected social features to be a big part of all three next-gen consoles so thats not surprising.

[Crazybone126]

And the creation of the Wii U Pro controller was simply just to shut the people who saying "Durr, it's controller looks SOOOO uncomfortable, and why is there a screen in there anyway" up. So now, they have a traditional controller.

[solidsnakejej]

Well to be fair it looked incredibly uncomfortable, though it looks better now.

[venomv]

The social network is interesting to me in how are they going to regulate it. Look at the Wii codes that you have to put in do they have another system for that?

Same thing with the video chat.

I expected social features to be a big part of all three next-gen consoles so thats not surprising.

Yes it does interesting but he brought of one of the pitfalls and then left it at that. What about people posting spoilers?

It is a cool idea, and reminds me of playing Demons Souls except you will know who is talking and it won't be pre-made messages, both are potential positives and negatives. What needs to happen is there needs to be a way to turn it off if you don't want to see what everyone is saying, and filter it to only your friends if you desire, probably both will happen though, it's to obvious to miss.

[Crazybone126]

I'm sure they have an ability to turn it off. He just didn't address it because, why? He needs to sell you on the initial idea prior and let you know what the feature is/does.

[solidsnakejej]

Best feature, Porn curtains so you can surf privately.

Photoshops coming
http://i.imgur.com/8qKuw.jpg

Full video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AkPdAWfFjI

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/06/Mario1.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/abgcsy.gif

[BahnNZ]

Could just let us use our 360 controllers since the Pro controller is identical. :)

http://i.minus.com/ibzUYk2Adh3nzN.gif

[Crazybone126]

And the Xbox controller looks like the old Gamecube controller layout.

Inverted analogue sticks.
A D-pad below the left analogue.
Pressure sensitive shoulder buttons.
A green 'A' button.
A red 'B' button
An 'X' and a 'Y' button.

The Wii U Pro doesn't have inverted analogue sticks, and I'll be honest, that's gonna feel quite awkward considering where the front facing buttons are.

The Xbox controller excels at shooters, but falls short of say, RPGs, fighters, or action beat-em-up type games that don't use the right analogue stick as a means of combat. The Playstation controller with its non-inverted analogue sticks, on the other hand, is perfect for those types of games, so that may be their thinking behind the Wii U Pro controller. Have non-inverted analogue sticks, but also the accessibility for fast-paced shooter-type games.

[venomv]

I'm sure they have an ability to turn it off. He just didn't address it because, why? He needs to sell you on the initial idea prior and let you know what the feature is/does.

I realize there is no reason to address it. And I said it would probably happen, it would almost be impossible to overlook that.

I also think that control may be awkward to use, too. But I think it is really only meant to be a cheaper alternative to buying another WiiU tablet control. We still don't know what they cost, but I still can't see them being cheap.

[BahnNZ]

I'm going to copy your post to another forum crazy bone, this'll be fun.

I like this time of year. :)

[Viper]

Social aspects are a definite plus. Individual user accounts were again confirmed so no more codes of any kind. The Wii U Pro controller looks nice but even I said it looked like the X360 controller right away (though as Crazy notes, the X360 controller is a mix of the PS2 and GC controllers anyway). Looks like it will be a much better controller than the Wii's Classic Controller Pro which was already an upgrade over the Wii's Classic Controller.

Did we just see the sequel to Super Mario World? If that is the launch pack-in title, I will personally write Nintendo a love letter.

I was hoping for more console specific features but I know this was just a Nintendo Direct video which are usually pretty light on information. The main media briefing on Tuesday is going to be good.

[venomv]

Social aspects are a definite plus. Individual user accounts were again confirmed so no more codes of any kind. The Wii U Pro controller looks nice but even I said it looked like the X360 controller right away (though as Crazy notes, the X360 controller is a mix of the PS2 and GC controllers anyway). Looks like it will be a much better controller than the Wii's Classic Controller Pro which was already an upgrade over the Wii's Classic Controller.

Did we just see the sequel to Super Mario World? If that is the launch pack-in title, I will personally write Nintendo a love letter.

I was hoping for more console specific features but I know this was just a Nintendo Direct video which are usually pretty light on information. The main media briefing on Tuesday is going to be good.

Yeah, that looked to be going back to simple 2d Mario and I would love that.

Assuming I even get a WiiU, I was initially excited about the Wii but after playing it...well it wasn't worth the excitement.

[solidsnakejej]

The zombie game, no way to know if it was real-time.
http://i.imgur.com/8GPnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1Fq8y.jpg

[BahnNZ]

http://www.abload.de/img/nintendo_e3_2012_pres2l72g.gif

Todd is my new role model.

[Crazybone126]

I'm going to copy your post to another forum crazy bone, this'll be fun.

I like this time of year. :)

Haha, what post? My "Playstation controller is better for all other genres besides shooters" one?

[BahnNZ]

Wii U, Together with Todd... Unless you see him first.

Yeah, your post fell a bit flat. I'll need better material to take the piss out of Nintendo. :)

I reckon I got about a week's material with Todd alone. :)

[Viper]

I hope the black Wii U is available at launch.

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Looks like Nintendo was truly interested in consumer feedback during their Nintendo Direct presentation today.

They had people reading forum posts and social networking.



In the picture below, you can see several staffers going over forums and social networks....even Iwata himself reading comments. He did say he was personally manning their Twitter account so that may be what he was reading.


http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2012_6/592209997.jpg

[PSXBatou]

I still don't get it, Nintendo has basically caught up to 2006. Wow!! Online game play for free!! Been there for 6+ years.. Wow!! HD Graphics!! Been there since 2006 +... Look at our Fisher Price tablet, ain't it great, let me show you how to use it as if you've never seen a tablet before!!

Then, I'll show you a "hardcore gamer" that will keep everything PG and make it synchronize with the rainbows and puppies so it seems like we give a shit about you now, you know since we totally abandoned you last gen...

My Wii is a glorified dust collector right now, I tried.. I bough the Wii, Wii Fit board, Wii add on thing that made it more "precise", ultimately they never made any software that made it worth my while. As a gamer I have personally lost all confidence in Nintendo, they sold us out last gen, and I have no doubt they are ready to ass kiss to get it back this gen after posting such a bad loss.

The folks that ran in droves to buy the Wii will not be there for the WiiU, it will be interesting to see how Nintendo deals with this. I won't be buying a Wii U, not until they can prove that they can produce decent titles and push away the vast amount of shovelware that the Wii had on it.

[Chris Metal]

I couldn't get really excited by anything in that pre-show :( the wiiU gamepad functions we really already knew mostly except some of the more advanced featured which were nice.
Not to keen on the TVremote functions... encouragement in more couch potatoes is never a good thing. Decide where your allegience lies Ninty, WiiFit or your WiiU TVRemote :P
And the the social hub just looked a bit... hmm I can see it not working out somehow like fb. The most basic of ideas forming into a mess, when it should be great. the the tablet use for inputting text is nice though, but if it leads to seeing pervy weirdos on this network...

The first thought that hit me when seeing the pro-controller was black xbox controller copy to try and appeal to 'arrdcooore. I'm used to Ninty atleast trying to branch out there with their designs for even their general purpose controllers.

EDIT: Return to 2D console Mario should of happened a long time ago...

Umm the people that will be buying WiiU are fans of Nintendo and their franchises...and there are a lot of them.

I can totally understand you got burned PSXBatou, I didn't even buy a Wii, SONY guy here from the start... but I love and respect Nintendo for what they've done in the past, from SNES to the Gamecube.

[BahnNZ]

So you're not excited about talking about the undead with the nearly dead?

http://i.imgur.com/kNpKY.png

[Viper]

I still don't get it, Nintendo has basically caught up to 2006. Wow!! Online game play for free!! Been there for 6+ years.. Wow!! HD Graphics!! Been there since 2006 +... Look at our Fisher Price tablet, ain't it great, let me show you how to use it as if you've never seen a tablet before!!

Then, I'll show you a "hardcore gamer" that will keep everything PG and make it synchronize with the rainbows and puppies so it seems like we give a shit about you now, you know since we totally abandoned you last gen...

My Wii is a glorified dust collector right now, I tried.. I bough the Wii, Wii Fit board, Wii add on thing that made it more "precise", ultimately they never made any software that made it worth my while. As a gamer I have personally lost all confidence in Nintendo, they sold us out last gen, and I have no doubt they are ready to ass kiss to get it back this gen after posting such a bad loss.

The folks that ran in droves to buy the Wii will not be there for the WiiU, it will be interesting to see how Nintendo deals with this. I won't be buying a Wii U, not until they can prove that they can produce decent titles and push away the vast amount of shovelware that the Wii had on it.
Wii did online gameplay for free already.

HD graphics are not a 2006 thing or a PS3/X360 thing. PC's were doing it for a decade before consoles. Ironically, a lot of X360 and PS3 games don't technically qualify as HD anyway.

Fisher Price tablet? Come on man. You can show your lack of enthusiasm without the childish attitude.

You do realize that whole scenario was a parody? Right? What it have been more accurate for them to portray the scenario with a 12 year old boy yelling racist obscenities every 5 seconds?

The Wii had shovelware on it just as all leading consoles have shovelware on them. NES, SNES, Gameboy, PS, PS2, Gameboy Advance, DS, Wii. It's not about minimizing their volume but providing enough compelling software to balance it out. The Wii was the first console that had difficulty doing that because 3rd parties had not prepared for that kind of success....so quick and dirty shovelware was they way they went.

Take a look at the 3DS. Shovelware? Very little compared to the DS.
Take a look at the Wii U. Shovelware? Of the 28 announced titles so far, only 2 titles could really be called shovelware (Ben 10 and Raving Rabbits). You just blew off the entire Wii U software line up based on a completely separate console.

I get that the Wii didn't give you the experience you wanted but would it harm you to be a little more mature about it?

[solidsnakejej]

http://i.imgur.com/OHGgc.png


http://i.imgur.com/3IE5G.jpg

[Segitz]

I liked it that (as Viper posted above) Nintendo judged the responses in real time...

The rest... a bit lackluster. Half an hour for what? Showing the new design (not implementation) of the tablet controller and gamepad? And "Twitter"? Was that it? Not that I am ... disappointed. That wouldn't be the right word here. It's just... they could have just did the same in MUCH less time at their actual conference.

It's funny though... in about 2005, I played around with my original WM6 phone to using it as an external input device (I couldn't program for shit back then, though), as was Sony with the PSP (and never pulled through). And now Nintendo finally does it. I think it's nice of them to do it. Nothing brillant (I have seen it with other things quite often), but I think it's good for gaming to "branch out" this way. If it will turn out well in the end? Who knows.

So... we have to wait for the real press conference this week for the meat. Sony and MS probably will watch it too and plan accordingly. And I mean it as it sounds... gauge the response and react. With Wii it didn't work, as 360 was already out and PS3 came at the same time.

[Viper]

It was definitely very low key and seemed to be designed to convey their underlying concept behind certain directions. And I'm actually glad they did this because it frees up their presentation on Tuesday to be more implementation than concept.

There is already major pressure from the Internet for Nintendo to include Non-Specific Action Figure in the next Super Smash Bros game.

And I just remember that recently trademarked the name and registered the domain for Super Mario Brothers 4.

[D3adcell]

And the Xbox controller looks like the old Gamecube controller layout.

Inverted analogue sticks.
A D-pad below the left analogue.
Pressure sensitive shoulder buttons.
A green 'A' button.
A red 'B' button
An 'X' and a 'Y' button.

The Wii U Pro doesn't have inverted analogue sticks, and I'll be honest, that's gonna feel quite awkward considering where the front facing buttons are.

The Xbox controller excels at shooters, but falls short of say, RPGs, fighters, or action beat-em-up type games that don't use the right analogue stick as a means of combat. The Playstation controller with its non-inverted analogue sticks, on the other hand, is perfect for those types of games, so that may be their thinking behind the Wii U Pro controller. Have non-inverted analogue sticks, but also the accessibility for fast-paced shooter-type games.

What the fuck did I just read?

[Crazybone126]

Sorry, just not a fan of the Xbox controller outside of primarily shooters. Try playing a fighting game on Xbox and you'll see just how the controller was never built for it. The Xbox's d-pad simply doesn't work for it. Using an analogue stick for a fighting game is just a "no-no" for me.

[Segitz]

Well, as I am no fps fan, I can't give a "trained" perspective on stuff, and I've never really used a 360 pad, I can't follow the "DS3 is bad for FPS" mantra. I don't think it's bad... other than fps control badly with a controller... period. I know, I have a limited POV, and that invalidates a lot of what I am saying, but... why is it "common wisdom" that DS3 is bad for shooters? I never had any real problems with Uncharted or Metal Gear. One thing that IS different, and I consider could be addressed is the concave sticks... you tend to slip off more easily on DS3, which is a problem, imho. But other than that? The stick position is (at least from what I can tell) just a question of "getting used to it". I find the GC pad to be awkward, too, as I am only used to DS2/DS3. I even find the DS2 awkward now (because of L2/R2).

I've used my DS3 heavily on PC in the past years, and I love it... especially for arcadey games. No matter if it's fps-ish (Skyrim, Deus Ex) or tps (GTA, JC2). I doubt that a different pad would lead to a better experience.

[D3adcell]

Sorry, just not a fan of the Xbox controller outside of primarily shooters. Try playing a fighting game on Xbox and you'll see just how the controller was never built for it. The Xbox's d-pad simply doesn't work for it. Using an analogue stick for a fighting game is just a "no-no" for me.

That's why they made the new D-Pad. But that example just covers fighting games. You also listed RPG's and action beat em up type games (Ninja Gaiden), none of which would require the d-pad for anything but maybe item selection or something.

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Well, as I am no fps fan, I can't give a "trained" perspective on stuff, and I've never really used a 360 pad, I can't follow the "DS3 is bad for FPS" mantra. I don't think it's bad... other than fps control badly with a controller... period. I know, I have a limited POV, and that invalidates a lot of what I am saying, but... why is it "common wisdom" that DS3 is bad for shooters? I never had any real problems with Uncharted or Metal Gear. One thing that IS different, and I consider could be addressed is the concave sticks... you tend to slip off more easily on DS3, which is a problem, imho. But other than that? The stick position is (at least from what I can tell) just a question of "getting used to it". I find the GC pad to be awkward, too, as I am only used to DS2/DS3. I even find the DS2 awkward now (because of L2/R2).

I've used my DS3 heavily on PC in the past years, and I love it... especially for arcadey games. No matter if it's fps-ish (Skyrim, Deus Ex) or tps (GTA, JC2). I doubt that a different pad would lead to a better experience.

I don't find the DS3 to be bad. The only thing I would prefer is what you talked about with the stick being concave so thumbs don't slide off. However I do think the 360 controller is just more comfortable to grip. It has more back to it so your hands aren't as 'cramped' (although I don't know if cramped is the right term to use). You can just hold it more loosely.

[Chris Metal]

I don't get the whole 360 pad is the ultimate fps pad though... my twin analog sticks has been there since playstation so I'm so used to them. Stick a 360 pad in front of me I find it bulky, cubersome and just confusing not having my thumbs next to each other.

still want to try the ps3 boomerang though when it first was revealed.

[Viper]

We've already have discussions on the orientation of analog sticks.

Gamers that started with an N64 or Xbox are used to having the left analog stick with a vertical thumb orientation.
Gamers that started with a PS are used to having the left analog stick with a horizontal thumb orientation.

ALL right analog sticks up to this point (1st party controllers only) have had the right analog stick with a horizontal thumb orientation.


I think for those gamers familiar with the left analog vertical thumb orientation will adapt quickly and enjoy the Wii U Pro Controller and Wii U Game Pad. I know having horizontal orientations is why I never really liked the PS controller (even the Wii's Classic Controller Pro bothered me that way).

[Crazybone126]

I don't like Ninja Gaiden on 360 either. I just don't like the controller for those types of games, okay? It's a personal preference. And it's not a personal preference exclusive to me either. Sure, I'll still play those types of games on 360, I don't denounce them because of the controller, but when I do play them, it's something that I have to get "comfy" with. Except for fighting games on 360, that's just not gonna happen without an Arcade gamepad.

And what I don't understand about Sony's first and third party developers is, Sony added triggers to the DS3 so they could be utilized in shooters, because I think even Sony knows that some people find their controller "slightly uncomfortable" for those types of games otherwise, they wouldn't allow third party controller developers to make "Xbox controllers with Playstation buttons" and controller add-ons to make it feel more "shooter appropriate" and developers don't even use the DS3 triggers. It's always L1 to ADS and R1 to shoot. I don't get it.

Now, let's get back on-topic.

[solidsnakejej]

Nintendo Planning Larger 3DS, Wii U Price Expected at 30,000 Yen -- Nikkei (http://andriasang.com/con1b0/nikkei_nintendo_e3/)

[Crazybone126]

We all knew this was coming regarding the 3DS.

[BahnNZ]

The XBox Dudebros are saying Microsoft Smartglass where you can use the real tablet you already own instead of the dodgy Nintendo $50 one and the graphics on games like Halo 4 have destroyed Wii U before it even came out.

Care to comment?

http://opa-ages.com/forums/uploads/monthly_06_2012/post-1198-0-99425600-1338838770_thumb.jpg

[Crazybone126]

My phone is NOT going to be connecting to my Xbox. I text and talk to people far too much for that kind of nonsense and I'm sure, that's the majority vote.

Cool idea? Yes? But my phone was not purchased for that.

What Trey Parker and Matt Stone said at the MS conference is pretty much what the general thought process is on that. No one cares about connecting their mobile devices to anything. The reason it doesn't exist, because no one really cares if it does or not.

http://i.imgur.com/53th0.jpg

With Wii U, that IS the controller, it's not just some tacked on feature. It's the actual console.

[D3adcell]

The XBox Dudebros are saying Microsoft Smartglass where you can use the real tablet you already own instead of the dodgy Nintendo $50 one and the graphics on games like Halo 4 have destroyed Wii U before it even came out.

Care to comment?

http://opa-ages.com/forums/uploads/monthly_06_2012/post-1198-0-99425600-1338838770_thumb.jpg

Shouldn't that say Joe Montana?

[Crazybone126]

LMAO! I didn't even notice that. Pretty much mixed John Madden and Joe Montana together.

[BahnNZ]

Why do I need a new cheap tablet when I have a $600 one right here with a capacitive multi touch retina display? Everybody has nice tablets now.

And why do I need a great big huge uncomfortable controller.

Sorry fellas, I think Microsoft just blew Wii U right out of the water. It'll be lucky to shift 20 million units.

[Crazybone126]

20 Million units? That's quite a lot, n00b.

...and stop trolling.

[BahnNZ]

Whole point of Wii U is you play games on your TV in conjunction with a tablet. What's the point now? Current generation systems do it, all it takes is a free software update. Whole selling point of Wii U, which was pretty tenuous anyway, has dissapeared. Just has Mario and Zelda to sell it now. Nintendo are in a worse position now than they were in the Gamecube days.

No trolling, just cold hard truth. Going to be interesting to watch Nintendo's share price in the coming weeks.

[OmniStalgic]

I dunno about that...Ninty just needs to show the games....I think trends can be set in any market really if you make it compelling and affordable. Nintendo's philosophy is centered around very interactive gameplay experiences. That could be a demographics right there. So why not make a social network that welcomes, thrives, and supports that time of demographic. The users who are into that Xbox Glass stuff likely will be into Apple's ecosystem as well as Google's, so it's really a crowded market already. But Nintendo can just ignore that "me too" appearance by targeting core gamers and Nintendo fans right from the jump. Beating games 100% gets your points to buy more online games and DLC. Upgrading Mii's to "Xbox Live" standards with cross-platform voice/text/chat/video conferencing. Taking the whole Home concept and actually make it less cumbersome, quick, and well-integrated, just to support people who support them. There's a number of ways to sell is all I'm really trying to say. Nintendo sold 100 million Wii's when people thought it was a friggin toy. Good companies don't need to read markets well all the time, sometimes its best to try and create your own.

[Viper]

Whole point of Wii U is you play games on your TV in conjunction with a tablet. What's the point now? Current generation systems do it, all it takes is a free software update. Whole selling point of Wii U, which was pretty tenuous anyway, has dissapeared. Just has Mario and Zelda to sell it now. Nintendo are in a worse position now than they were in the Gamecube days.

No trolling, just cold hard truth. Going to be interesting to watch Nintendo's share price in the coming weeks.

Guess there is no point in Sony or Xbox releasing a new console because PC already plays games. Whole selling point of those new consoles has just disappeared.

Give me a break. If you want to troll, go to NeoGAF but don't bring that shit here.

[Diresu]

All I want from Nintendo is a new Fire Emblem game and I would be good.

[OmniStalgic]

and I also don't get the logic of Wii-U tablet is irrelevant because of what Sony or MS is doing. You have to have an expensive tablet, a smartphone, a HDTV, and a 360 with Kinect to do those things don't you? PS3 and Vita is a bit simpler, but again, you have to a have a PS3 and a Vita. Wii-U is being bundled with a tablet, it makes all the difference in the world when that's the standard.

[Unspoken]

I didn't realize that I could play full Xbox 360 games from the streaming tablet, nor that they built the Xbox 360 controller into the sides of every tablet while I wasn't looking! Because it's not going to be awkward at all to have a controller in your hands and a tablet on your lap at the same time at all. Good thing Microsoft will be making it a requirement to use Smartglass, too, since it's exactly what they and their fans had intended for the system all along.

Good job, Microsoft; you just buried Nintendo.


It's a novel idea, but honestly, I don't think any business is going to be lost from Nintendo over it. Sure, it's got the edge with existing hardware usage. Radical. That's not the only selling point of the WiiU. It's certainly a large part of it, but they're also pushing the social interaction between people in and out of the room, not to mention whatever "next-gen" games are coming. Also, it sounds like Nintendo wants to just appeal to the gaming crowd with their show, seeing as how they did their terribly acted pre-E3 show already with more boring stuff about the system's controller. I am guessing that tomorrow will be... Interesting.

Look at it this way: people aren't going to buy the Xbox 360 because it connects to their tablet; they're going to buy it because of the games available and the online experience. Let's see what Nintendo can do before we denounce the system entirely.

[Viper]

I think this gif forgot about the Ubisoft conference but otherwise seems on point.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/ConferencesParty.gif

[Segitz]

How can it be on the point when Nintendo hasn't even shown anyhting worthwhile yet?

[Diresu]

How can it be on the point when Nintendo hasn't even shown anyhting worthwhile yet?

Exactly.

[masteratt]

They won by default really. Their pre-E3 thing, which wasn't that interesting was still more fun to watch because of the freshness.

New hardware = auto win.

[Viper]

How can it be on the point when Nintendo hasn't even shown anyhting worthwhile yet?

The character didn't even move - Nintendo hasn't shown their E3 press conference.

Make a bit more sense now?

[Segitz]

Well... they did move... last year. This year is "just" the continuation. Can go either way. Not sure if I'll be interested, though. The 4 pressers yesterday were underwhelming. Sony did show nice games, but not much new I care for besides Beyond. And I stress the word new here. I love GOW, TLOU etc... but we've seen that already.

Nintendo has a good opportunity... though I am not sure that I will care. I don't care for tablets at all. And Sony has shown that the tablet will come to them, too. At least they didn't overpromise, as they tend to do.

[Viper]

That gif isn't about 2011, it's about 2012. Don't really matter what's a continuation of what. Point is that 3 of them ran off the proverbial cliff with their presentations while Nintendo sat back and watched the madness.

[Segitz]

Right... so it's now considered "well done" if you have your conference a day later? Sony sat back, too... last conference of the day. So? Didn't make it any better. Well... a bit, since they showed actual games.

EDIT:

Currently listening to Michael Pachter on Giantbombs stream from last night... and his view on Nintendo is... horrible. I do agree, but not as much. Nintendo wants to cater to a market that is somewhere else. There are a lot more points I have no interest in divulging here... makes sense, though. But (again) limited POV.

[Viper]

What do you mean by "well done"? That gif makes no distinction whether Nintendo did well or not. You are digging too deep into what is implied rather than looking at the obvious point of the gif.

[Segitz]

Then there's no point in saying it or making the gif, from what I can tell... or rather I can't see any point to it, other that Nintendo is still up. But obviously "biased" as to how their show will progress.

[Viper]

So there's no point in showing a gif that shows the other guys fell off a cliff and that we have one last hope for a good show?

[Segitz]

I didn't think Ubisoft or Sony were that bad... as I said, not a whole lot of announcements or anything, but it was worthwhile. EA and MS were boring, though. They are were boring. And I don't expect any different from Nintendo, even with a new console (3DS and Vita were both boring, too).

[Viper]

I didn't think Ubisoft or Sony were that bad... as I said, not a whole lot of announcements or anything, but it was worthwhile. EA and MS were boring, though. They are were boring. And I don't expect any different from Nintendo, even with a new console (3DS and Vita were both boring, too).

Which is why Sony had the longest lasting character of the group in the gif. And Nintendo's conference may very well blow goat gonads for all we know. But that gif isn't about predicting what will happen so much as demonstrating what the majority of people felt. And you may not be in that majority but I'm sure you recognize that the majority weren't all that impressed with either of them. We are seeing it right here in our own forums. And it's pretty apparent to the person and community that made that gif as well.

---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------

Are we really going to have more than 13 posts about this gif?

[Segitz]

Sure^^ It's a friendly discussion, innit^^

In any case. I am not sure what Nintendo is going to do later today. I really can't predict anything.

[Viper]

Super Mario Brothers 4 (I predict it will be a Wii U pack in title)
Retro Studios project
Monster Hunter 4 (possibly some kind of Wii U association)
Pikmin 3
Aliens: Colonial Marines
ZombiU
AC3
Darksiders II
New Miyamoto IP
Some 3rd party exclusive for core audience (like ZombiU)
Several casual titles
Black Ops 2

Probably cover a bunch of things we already know about too. Luigi's Mansion 2 for instance.

Specific Wii U details....perhaps not a full spec sheet but far more details than we know right now.

Perhaps even a 3DS XL announcement.

[Segitz]

I dunno... I don't care a whole lot for third party stuff... we've seen that at the other parties already. And I guess Nintendos implementation for the tablet is much more unique. And for me... Mario is a dead franchise. Don't care for that anymore (haven't for a while, too). I know I am not really the demography (and I guess I am not targeted by MS anymore, either), but still... gaming is gaming.

[masteratt]

Which is why Sony had the longest lasting character of the group in the gif. And Nintendo's conference may very well blow goat gonads for all we know. But that gif isn't about predicting what will happen so much as demonstrating what the majority of people felt. And you may not be in that majority but I'm sure you recognize that the majority weren't all that impressed with either of them. We are seeing it right here in our own forums. And it's pretty apparent to the person and community that made that gif as well.

---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------

Are we really going to have more than 13 posts about this gif?

I started wondering that around the 2nd replies :lol: I don't know why one Nintendo...'doubter' let's say and one fan keep going back and forth in here. Amusing in places though.

That .gif was spot-on btw I felt.

2.5 hours left, I am very excited.


I was playing 3DS Super Mario while conferences had boring bits or the long breaks in between, got to World 5. Fantastic game. Definitely will keep an eye on the 3DS conference as well as the WiiU one. Exciting times for Nintendo and hopefully for us.

*hopes AC!D doesn't see this* ...There is another manufacturer that could have done with having a specific briefing for their handheld....

[Viper]

Masteratt, I thought I saw someone her say that Sony had schedule a Vita event in a few weeks. That's the only thing I've heard on it so far but it would certainly be a good idea for Sony since they largely ignored Vita at E3.



Segitz, is the German Mass Effect Facebook page hyping up the Nintendo conference? I'd like a human translation over Google.


http://www.gonintendo.com/content/uploads/images/2012_6/9pvfq.png

[Segitz]

The text of the image says:

"Don't forget: today at 1800hrs, watch Nintendos press conference..."

EDIT: My twitter feed also mentioned ME3 for Wii U earlier. Not sure what to expect. I think, the ending of the game and the overall non-impact it has made it a trainwreck. Not sure how well the game controls with a gamepad, but on PC (keyb+mouse exclusively) using the powers etc. can be done via the pause menu, similar to the circle selection on consoles. Putting that and a tactical map (with commands to AI) onto the tablet might work... would be kinda pointless though, as the game controls fine either way.

[masteratt]

ME trilogy coming to WiiU on one disc? :p Strong 3rd party showing will be VERY welcome.

[Segitz]

Not gonna happen. At least I seriously doubt that the first (as on PS3) will make it. MS published that back in the day, and they probably have some exclusivity on that title. And it won't look any better on Wii U anyways, as the PC version already looks bad^^ (ME3 that is)

[AC!D]

masteratt I never once said Sony had an amazing Vita showing at E3. I commented about you stupidly ranting about selling your Vita based on Sony's E3 three months into the portables console cycle.

Anyway this is about Nintendo and i hope they have a good showing. I was very underwhelmed by the tech demos last year despite thinking the hardware is a very good idea. Heres Hoping for a new Metroid and another classic RPG from Monolith Soft.

I think the Nintendo guys like Viper are in for a treat and will see what Nintendo was missing on Wii with third party games like ME and tons of others.

[Viper]

It will be good to see the marriage of 3rd party support and Nintendo innovation. The Wii was originally promised to do just that but 3rd parties had reasons for not putting the big guns on board. Let's hope that promise is kept this time.

[Unspoken]

Nintendo's stream is up. You can join the chat feed at the moment.

[solidsnakejej]

Lets go Nintendo, Drop the bomb.

[AC!D]

Im also getting the sneaking suspicion that Nintendo are going to drop one or two 3rd party megatons. Come on Nintendo make me buy your console day one!!!

[Viper]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/billendofdays.gif

[Unspoken]

15,000 viewers on Ninty's and climbing, with fifteen minutes until it starts. Wonder how big the other sites are getting?

[Crazybone126]

Are we going to do the chat again?

[venomv]

I'm in the chat.

[solidsnakejej]

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Channel: #e3-mpire

[Generosity of God]

this conference is all about WiiU

3DS stuff to come from their other events in following days

[solidsnakejej]

qutoing my self
it's like there saying, yea now we're part of this generation now


http://i.imgur.com/IfBLD.png

[frosty]

Um... I kinda came in late (during the 3ds stuff), but was that really all they showed on wii u?

[Gribble-Grunger]

i started watching this and thought i was going to be blown away. Oh my good GOD, that was dull. sorry but that controller coupled with the constant jabber nearly sent me to sleep. It's not for me in any shape or form but i'm sure plenty of people will enjoy it.

[solidsnakejej]

Nothing, this conference seem to me as Nintendo announcing that they are now part of this generation. Doesn't look to good for Wii U. Not even a Mario Kart U

[Crazybone126]

So Ubisoft had the best conference, yeah?

[GTAce]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/billendofdays.gif

This shows my interest while watching that crap.

[frosty]

I was waiting for bombs, and got a box of these...

http://www.noveltieswholesale.com/files/CASNAPS.JPG

[solidsnakejej]

1. ubi 2. Sony
Neogaf is melting down

we wanted this
http://h12.abload.de/img/0177_wfu9f.gif

but got this
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/4925.gif

[Segitz]

What can I say... I came in late, and all chatters on Freenode told me I didn't miss a thing. And still I haven't seen anything worthwhile. What's wrong with me?

[GTAce]

But Pikmin looks realistic now and the high resolution allows more gameplay.
Miyamoto showed us how much fun a deep game can be!!!

[Viper]

Could definitely have been better. Here's to hoping the developer roundtable tonight has better info.


However...2 WII U GAME PADS.


Your move, MS.

[solidsnakejej]

trending
http://i.imgur.com/lzZ53.png

[Viper]

I wonder if they ran out of time. Reggie said at the onset that they had 23 Wii U games that will be shown in that hour. Now I didn't count but I'm pretty sure they didn't get around to 23 games on display.

[Crazybone126]

"Hardcore WiiU fan? You might want to come back to Spike for the reveal of "Project P-100" live on our Show....from a HUGE developer :) - Geoff Keighley"

They got nowhere near 23 games I don't think.

[Viper]

P-100 from Platinum Games yet published by Nintendo.

[frosty]

I honestly have lost all hope for Wii U at this point. I remained open minded (though doubtful) up until now. With what I just saw, however, even if the dual screen concept actually did start to take off, Sony and MS have already beat them to the punch with Smartglass and Vita (Sony could release it's own Smartglass-like app as well to combat Wii-U). Both of those have the advantage of a 50 million unit install base for the consoles, enabling the upgrade at much cheaper than what Wii-U is offering... especially in the case of Smartglass. Most people already own the hardware to do it.

With those advantages removed, the only thing that will sell any Wii U consoles will be the Nintendo 1st party exclusives. They do make great games, and I did want to play some of the demos I was watching of their 1st party stuff. However, not enough to invest in a console over it. They may be reaching out to the third parties and such, but the other 2 have literally matched or exceeded every selling point Nintendo has to use against them other than exclusive software.

I gave them a full year, but they haven't given me any reason to believe this system won't flop.

[Viper]

Smart Glass will require Windows 8 phones. So, not so huge of an install base as expected.

[solidsnakejej]

Geoff is going after Reggie

[Crazybone126]

Geoff is kinda railing Reggie on GT.

[Gribble-Grunger]

1. ubi 2. Sony


i can't decide, but it's definitely between those two.

[D3adcell]

I honestly have lost all hope for Wii U at this point. I remained open minded (though doubtful) up until now. With what I just saw, however, even if the dual screen concept actually did start to take off, Sony and MS have already beat them to the punch with Smartglass and Vita (Sony could release it's own Smartglass-like app as well to combat Wii-U). Both of those have the advantage of a 50 million unit install base for the consoles, enabling the upgrade at much cheaper than what Wii-U is offering... especially in the case of Smartglass. Most people already own the hardware to do it.

With those advantages removed, the only thing that will sell any Wii U consoles will be the Nintendo 1st party exclusives. They do make great games, and I did want to play some of the demos I was watching of their 1st party stuff. However, not enough to invest in a console over it. They may be reaching out to the third parties and such, but the other 2 have literally matched or exceeded every selling point Nintendo has to use against them other than exclusive software.

I gave them a full year, but they haven't given me any reason to believe this system won't flop.

Well it likely won't be out until winter 2013. They can then maybe get an arkham city/asylum dual package.

[AC!D]

I honestly have never seen a conference as bad as this for me. Not a single game was tailored to my taste in that conference. If there was ever to be an anti AC!D conference this was surely it. Fuck and i was so cheering them on this year!!!!

Clearly i am not Nintendos demographic anymore. I wont be purchasing this conole day one or anytime soon. This is not me trying to be a dick. Ive supported Wii more than most of you in this forum. This is just plain and genuine disappointment on my part.

[Segitz]

Smart Glass will require Windows 8 phones. So, not so huge of an install base as expected.

That sounded different from what Giantbomb said, though... they specifically said iPhone etc. in connection to this... not sure if this is correct, though. Sonys work with HTC is well, though.



I honestly have never seen a conference as bad as this for me. Not a single game was tailored to my taste in that conference. If there was ever to be an anti AC!D conference this was surely it. Fuck and i was so cheering them on this year!!!!

Clearly i am not Nintendos demographic anymore. I wont be purchasing this conole day one or anytime soon. This is not me trying to be a dick. Ive supported Wii more than most of you in this forum. This is just plain and genuine disappointment on my part.


This is exactly the same thing I was thinking. Sony did hit some marks, as well as Ubisoft.

[frosty]

Smart Glass will require Windows 8 phones. So, not so huge of an install base as expected.

Knowing Sony's relationship with Android phones already with PlayStation Mobile, I wouldn't be surprised to see such functionality come to PS products (PS3 and PS4) if at any point Sony deemed the dual screen concept a threat to their sales and didn't think Vita was doing a good enough job of holding Nintendo back. I wouldn't be surprised to see MS release their stuff on Android as well if the Windows phone thing turned out to be a bottleneck for them.

[D3adcell]

Smart Glass will require Windows 8 phones. So, not so huge of an install base as expected.

No it won't. What OS do those tablets run? Most all of them run Android, Ipad runs the same as Iphone. So it's either going to be able to work with iphones and ipads or android based phones and tablets.

[Viper]

So you guys are going to hold 2 iPads and 2 game controllers?

---------- Post added at 01:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:40 PM ----------

Windows 8 Phone is the only one currently under development.

[GTAce]

ZombiU coming up here: http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/live.html

[frosty]

So you guys are going to hold 2 iPads and 2 game controllers?

No, I'd personally prefer a Vita. Both in one, and it works when I walk out the door as well.

[Crazybone126]

Their E3 conference was almost like they were still in the "concept phase."

No price.
No release date.
No first party titles
No new third party titles.

If this is the direction E3 is going, count me out. For everyone to show absolutely nothing is crazy.

[Segitz]

THOSE GRAPHICS!!!

EDIT: Talking about the Platinum Games game, obviously.

[Viper]

Keighley hyped that game up as a hardcore game. I'm sure he's regretting that tweet now that he's actually seen the game.

[GTAce]

THOSE GRAPHICS!!!

EDIT: Talking about the Platinum Games game, obviously.
Yeah, I mean it had DOF!!!

He said Hardcore WiiU fans, not hardcore gamers.

[Viper]

They better be packing some serious ammo at tonight's developer roundtable.

[Segitz]

alex_navarro (Alex Navarro)
This Nintendo recap is the most depressing thing I've written since I reviewed Shame.

That's... quite harsh. I don't want to bash any more than I already did before the conference. But even I, with my low expectations, was diappointed.

[Chris Metal]

THOSE GRAPHICS!!!

EDIT: Talking about the Platinum Games game, obviously.

which game was that?

[GTAce]

That's... quite harsh. I don't want to bash any more than I already did before the conference. But even I, with my low expectations, was diappointed.

Harsh? It's the fucking truth.

[Segitz]

Well... usually the press is less "direct" than we are.

[Crazybone126]

Yeah, normally a little common courtesy than that.

[Segitz]

Wow...


daniel_collin (Daniel Collin)
wiiuwiiuwiiu!! "What is that?" "Oh, that is just the ambulance coming to give Nintendo life support"


Daniel Collin
Daniel_collin
Sr Software Engineer on the Frostbite rendering team @ DICE. Member of the demogroup TBL, Vim user, Lisp n00b, prefers C and Assembly over C++

[Crazybone126]

ZombiU live demo coming up on GT.

[GTAce]

That looked bleh.

[Segitz]

They should've called it "ZombieUK"... if anything

[Gribble-Grunger]

ZombiU live demo coming up on GT.

can you post me a link to this. i just keep getting snippets followed by adverts!

[Crazybone126]

It already happened so, no use now.

[Segitz]

You can rewind GTs livestream, afaik... just go back like ten/fiveteen minutes.

[AC!D]

What are they doing with all that Wii money?

[Crazybone126]

Gribble: Just go to gametrailers.com. you'll see everything you need.

[OmniStalgic]

looks like I didn't miss much being at work today...Still hard to believe Sony still had the best conference out of the three with just a good intro and closing, the rest of there conference skimmed over everything worthwhile, (I'm still shocked they just showed the titles of like 6 Vita/PSN games and not trailers -_-) and that and Ubi are the best of the show? Very disappointing E3 again, unless there's some worthwhile trailers & interviews on the show floor and the conferences were purposely design to be minimal.

Is Nintendo's conference like SOny in that they kinda state/show (somewhat) that they're are a good amount of games but fail to show them, or there's just no games like MS :huh: Cuz there's always TGS for Ninty and Sony, MS usually shows everything they have at E3 first party and exclusive wise.

[Crazybone126]

looks like I didn't miss much being at work today...Still hard to believe Sony still had the best conference out of the three with just a good intro and closing, the rest of there conference skimmed over everything worthwhile, (I'm still shocked they just showed the titles of like 6 Vita/PSN games and not trailers -_-) and that and Ubi are the best of the show? Very disappointing E3 again, unless there's some worthwhile trailers & interviews on the show floor and the conferences were purposely design to be minimal.

Is Nintendo's conference like SOny in that they kinda state/show (somewhat) that they're are a good amount of games but fail to show them, or there's just no games like MS :huh: Cuz there's always TGS for Ninty and Sony, MS usually shows everything they have at E3 first party and exclusive wise.

Pretty much. A little bit of both really.

[OmniStalgic]

I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, e3 seems like it's almost not for gamers anymore. Just some generic reveal for the rest of the world that doesn't follow gaming sites and forums. Last year though, I was more excited and satisfied with TGS, and that'll likely be the same this year. I didn't expect SOny to have a plethora of new stuff either, just one or two first party Vita games reveals, and like 6-7 Ps3/Vita games coming to PSN that were just shown or debuted first at the conference. Don't see why that's such a problem if 60 games are coming to Vita before 2012 is over...

[Segitz]

Gaf rumors...


Main Application Processor

PowerPC architecture.
Three cores (fully coherent).
3MB aggregate L2 Cache size.
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core 2: 512 KB
Write gatherer per core.
Locked (L1d) cache DMA per core.

Main Memory

Up to 3GB of main memory (CAT-DEVs only). Note: retail machine will have half devkit memory
Please note that the quantity of memory available from the Cafe SDK and Operating System may vary.

Graphics and Video

Modern unified shader architecture.
32MB high-bandwidth eDRAM, supports 720p 4x MSAA or 1080p rendering in a single pass.
HDMI and component video outputs.

Features

Unified shader architecture executes vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
Multi-sample anti-aliasing (2, 4, or 8 samples per pixel)
Read from multi-sample surfaces in the shader
128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering
High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
Indexed cube map arrays

8 render targets
Independent blend modes per render target
Pixel coverage sample masking
Hierarchical Z/stencil buffer
Early Z test and Fast Z Clear
Lossless Z & stencil compression
2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes
sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma)
Tessellation unit
Stream out support
Compute shader support

GX2 is a 3D graphics API for the Nintendo Wii U system (also known as Cafe). The API is designed to be as efficient as GX(1) from the Nintendo GameCube and Wii systems. Current features are modeled after OpenGL and the AMD r7xx series of graphics processors. Wii U’s graphics processor is referred to as GPU7.
Sound and Audio

Dedicated 120MHz audio DSP.
Support for 6 channel discrete uncompressed audio (via HDMI).
2 channel audio for the Cafe DRC controller.
Monaural audio for the Cafe Remote controller.

Networking

802.11 b/g/n Wifi.

Peripherals

2 x USB 2.0 host controllers x 2 ports each.
SDCard Slot.

Built-in Storage

512MB SLC NAND for System.
8GB MLC NAND for Applications.

Host PC Bridge

Dedicated Cafe-to-host PC bridge hardware.
Allows File System emulation by host PC.
Provides interface for debugger and logging to host PC.



My brief takeaway would be that this seems similar to rumors we had from quite a while back:

-3 core CPU
-1.5 GB of RAM in the retail version
-A DX10 compliant GPU, since the shaders are unified (model 4.0), but not compute shaders (model 5.0)

So... AMD DX10 device means something between 2000 and 4000 (inclusive).

EDIT: Hm... the upper part says "compute shaders", though... not sure what's correct. Just hearsay from what I can tell

[gibmonster]

Sony may have skimped on the vita, but they kept the focus on ps3 content and reminded everyone of ps3 and vita connectivity. nintendo actually showed a lot to me but it was underwhelming. the controller is a gimmick yet again. some of the functionality shown was interesting and pointless, and just showed us what amounts to a more elaborate method of six-axis functionality. the visuals are nothing to write about, but given the size of the console, people shouldn't have expected magic. it was disappointing considering reggie's enthusiasm...i thought i was going to be impressed for a moment.its a pretty shit e3.

[Domination]

I gave Nintendo an A-.

They had a very positive showing and a lot of strong support for both their next-gen system and 3DS. Apps and network capabilities have also taken a step up. On the flip side, the Wii, for its short cycle is completely dead, and Nintendo seems to have no real clear window as to when they plan to revive the system.

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I gave Nintendo an A-.

They had a very positive showing and a lot of strong support for both their next-gen system and 3DS. Apps and network capabilities have also taken a step up. On the flip side, the Wii, for its short cycle is completely dead, and Nintendo seems to have no real clear window as to when they plan to revive the system.

[Viper]

It started off very strong but then...just couldn't keep it going and then started to fizzle as it went on.

They really could have done better.

[BahnNZ]

http://www.abload.de/img/0177_wfu9f.gif

No need to apologize I think. Old ports of current gen games and rehashes. Nothing next gen to see here.

I'm more classy than you'd think and I won't crow. I'd have loved for Wii U to kick off the next gen with a bang. No Kameo, Oblivion or Resistance moments. It's a very current gen system with a now redundant controller, one which dies after 3.5 hours then takes 2.5 hours to recharge, that's unacceptable.

And the frame rate in games drops to 30 fps with a second pad, that's unbelievable.

It's a disaster.

Last word on this. Goodnight! Better luck in another 6 years.

Ubisoft won E3. Go Ubisoft! I quit bitching about them for a year, they done good!

[solidsnakejej]

Assassin's Creed III dev tells me Wii U "stronger in some areas" than 360, PS3, but game will be technically identical, including frame rate
https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/210095756860850177

[D3adcell]

Lets be fair to Nintendo, all the console maker confrences sucked this year. However The Last of Us was good.

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https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/210095756860850177

That doesn't sound too promising for the future of Wii U

[GTAce]

Why's everyone forgetting Beyond for fuck's sake?

[BahnNZ]

[QUOTE=D3adcell;2628213]Lets be fair to Nintendo, all the console maker confrences sucked this year. However The Last of Us was good.[COLOR="Black"]

Failing to impress at the end of a console generation is expected, failing to impress with a new console is a disaster.

http://e3.nintendo.com/data/games/wiiu/new-super-mario-bros-u/14.jpg
Super Mario Bros on Wii U

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120108141325/donkeykong/images/6/66/Dolphin_2011-03-02_19-53-06-94.jpg
DKC Returns on Dolphin

http://mashthosebuttons.com/gallery/sonic-generations-screenshots-982011/23835sg_euc_act1_04.jpg
Sonic Generations, current generation title

And I'll shut up now, I don't want to rub it in. Wii U is slightly better than current gen consoles, but is a current gen console, 7 years too late, the controller is redundant and borked, dies after 3.5 hours, and you can't 2 player on 30 fps games. It has no distinct selling point, the games do not impress.

Cue furious typing and defending by Viper. Glad my console of choice is a PC.

[Segitz]

https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/210095756860850177

That nearly sounds like what's been going on with PC... and that's exactly what I feared would happen if Wii U is only slightly faster... because if it was measurably faster, then framerate/resolution could be raised easily (as in a compiler flag). This way, however, it sounds like... not so much.

It's a huge waste, though. If the specs I posted earlier are true. That'd essentially mean that 1GB of RAM goes to waste on this system for most third party games.

[solidsnakejej]

I think this gif forgot about the Ubisoft conference but otherwise seems on point.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/ConferencesParty.gif

Updated:
http://i.imgur.com/amEcG.gif

http://i.imgur.com/3IE5G.jpg

[masteratt]

We really need a "wth happened to E3" type article. This is just depressing.

[solidsnakejej]

End of the console cycle, deal with it.

[masteratt]

Um, I dunno last couple of years been like this. I am not a jaded game or anything but E3 hasn't had the "wowowowow" moments or the gaming flare for years now.

Seems more targeted at shareholders rather than exciting gamers.

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And funny you type that in the conference thread of a company that talked about a new console.

[solidsnakejej]

And funny you type that in the conference thread of a company that talked about a new console.

Well they did just join this generation at the end of the cycle... sorry

Honestly I think it's a mix of problems, Microsoft has been going more to casual market and caring less about actual games, look at their first party. Sony has been trying to get things to sell, Move, 3D TV, Vita and went away from what they did good in 07,08,09 showing games, They got back to that but they didn't have the quantity this year to do that.

Nintendo should have blown us away with the titles we know their working but didn't.

[Crazybone126]

I've already said what's wrong with it. It's an investors and shareholders meeting now. Remember when it switched to the 'E3 Media & Briefing Summit' and they closed it to the public a few years back? Although they opened it back up to the public the following year, it still remained a media and & briefing event. All they did was dropped the 'Media & Briefing Summit' part of the title to make it seem like it was the event it once was, even though it wasn't. The same people who changed it to the 'Media & Briefing Summit' are still the ones in charge. Ever since that, it's never been the same event. It's all about garnering the attention of suits & ties and not t-shirts & nachos.

[masteratt]

Sad really. This show used to spoil us. I miss being spoiled :(

[Crazybone126]

And the even sadder part is, there's absolutely NOTHING we can do about it. They already shut it down from the public once already for no reason at all so...*shrug* What are ya gonna do.

The events for gamers and not suits & ties are TGS, PAX, and GamesCom.

[solidsnakejej]

Nintendo did pretty good last year in satisfying announcements and think Sony is starting to go that way, Not even a single mention of 3D. Aside from the wonderbook crap it was game after game and all new footage like with AC3. I think Sony didn't have enough to show.

EA has been all about game announcements and Ubisoft had a pretty good surprise surrounded by a very solid lineup.


Also know that the internet has become more large and easier accessible developers have chose to get their game out their without any other noise to drown it out. We can have surprises outside E3 like GTAV last year came out of nowhere.

[BahnNZ]

http://www.edge-online.com/features/e3-2012-nintendo-conference-report

Edge Nintendo Show Report


No game shown looked technically out of the bounds of 360; Arkham City arguably looked worse.

Complete disaster, GOTG looking worse than 360. Coming out at $300, what will 360 be by then, $150 with SmartGlass support? Half the price.

Insane...

Only Ubisoft had the moves like Jagger.

I shut up now.

[D3adcell]

And the even sadder part is, there's absolutely NOTHING we can do about it. They already shut it down from the public once already for no reason at all so...*shrug* What are ya gonna do.

The events for gamers and not suits & ties are TGS, PAX, and GamesCom.

It has never been open to the public. However in 2007 they closed it to vendors (gamestop employees, etc). It was still shown to media outlets.

Part of it can be that games get leaked so much that they can't wow us anymore? That or people are working on next gen games that can't be shown yet, or they don't have much new that can really wow us.

Is it possible that we have experienced almost all the genres and things possible and imagination is running dry? (well it seems so from games coming out) However I don't understand why some games where not shown or even mentioned.

Hopefully they show new consoles next year with new games.

[solidsnakejej]

CNN Journalist believe Wii U is a controller, is this the Journalist ignorance or Nintendo's less than ample explanation

Will Nintendo's forthcoming Wii U controller breathe new life into its aging Wii console?

Hard to say at this point, but the Wii U is a solid accessory that will bring a fresh element to Nintendo gaming.

I got my hands on the redesigned device -- which was first previewed a year ago -- after Nintendo's Electronic Entertainment Expo event in Los Angeles on Tuesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/wii-u-demo-e3/

[Crazybone126]

I'd say it's the first one. It's quite damn clear it's a new console now.

[Chris]

No Kameo, Oblivion or Resistance moments. It's a very current gen system with a now redundant controller, one which dies after 3.5 hours then takes 2.5 hours to recharge, that's unacceptable.

And the frame rate in games drops to 30 fps with a second pad, that's unbelievable.

It's a disaster.


Wait...what? Kameo?

Question, I was working today, so I only watched the conference of disappointment on my phone. Are these other things you stated confirmed?

And I agree, thank god for Ubisoft.

[Crazybone126]

F-Zero has been confirmed to be in Nintendo Land.

[venomv]

CNN Journalist believe Wii U is a controller, is this the Journalist ignorance or Nintendo's less than ample explanation


http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/wii-u-demo-e3/

Did they even show the console once during the press conference? Not to mention to the casual viewer it probably looks like the Wii. I can see the reason for the confusion.

Nintendo still has plenty of time to remedy the problem though. It's mostly gamers that pay attention to E3 and we all know what it is anyway.

[D3adcell]

http://i.imgur.com/DE1yM.gif

[Chris]

Wow...developer's conference transcripts even more disappointing than the press conference earlier, can't say that I saw that coming.

[solidsnakejej]

http://i.minus.com/ibd6MiOZzbKPJu.gif

[Bliss]

I prefer to wait before talking. But I don't feel happy.

[Gribble-Grunger]

http://www.edge-online.com/features/e3-2012-nintendo-conference-report

Edge Nintendo Show Report



Complete disaster, GOTG looking worse than 360. Coming out at $300, what will 360 be by then, $150 with SmartGlass support? Half the price.

Insane...

Only Ubisoft had the moves like Jagger.

I shut up now.

you're taking the word of EDGE? the game looked just as good to me

[Raitei]

I quite enjoy edge. Usually a lot harsher than most outlets, but I like that. Games get 9s too often.

[solidsnakejej]

While the Wii U technically supports 1080p resolution, current Wii U games only run in 720p, Wii U Daily can confirm. Yesterday, Nintendo released screenshots of New Super Mario Bros U, which were in the native resolution of 720p. So were the screenshots of ZombiU and Project P-100. We initially thought that those were simply the 720p versions of the game and that 1080p would be available. But as it turns out, all of Nintendo’s upcoming first party Wii U titles will be in 720p.

Speaking to a Nintendo representative on the E3 show floor today, I was told that all of the playable Wii U games at E3 will ship with native 720p support, including Nintendo Land, New Super Mario Bros, and Pikmin 3. However, the representative said that some of those titles, like Pikmin 3, will run at 60 frames per second. The representative couldn’t confirm whether the games can be upscaled to 1080p, only that the “native resolution is 720p for all titles showcased”.

The Wii U hardware is still very new and it’s likely that it’ll take developers some time before they can push it to its full potential. But for now, it seems that Nintendo and its first party Wii U games will be sticking to 720p.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-games-run-in-720p/

[Chris Metal]

what, surely not just 720p after all this time :/... Come on Nintendo, push the boundaries a bit. You made all that profit on Wii, now stop making the same handheld in different sizes/colours and give us something really special for the console market.

[Gribble-Grunger]

and:


some of those titles, like Pikmin 3, will run at 60 frames per second.

mmmmmm... is the WiiU really any better than the 360 or the PS3?

[Chris Metal]

I don't mind a bit of 720p as an option(my tv is still a first gen Viera HD) but after how many years...7? I thought they'd have a GPU & CPU that would put out 1080 no probs even if it was at just fixed 30fps...especially on first party titles. It'll be interesting if there's just some miscommunication here though.

[venomv]

It could just be them trying to get the launch titles done quickly.

Until we know more about the specs (which hopefully will be soon) it will be hard to tell the why. Honestly it doesn't make sense to have a console on par with the PS3/360 (which is essentially what this report is pointing to), you'd think it would cost just as much or maybe less to make one more powerful...

[gibmonster]

http://i.imgur.com/DE1yM.gif

lol. This has made my day.

Yeah. E3 just isn't what it used to be. I'm looking forward to the other conventions though. For the past few years shows like TGS have been a lot better as they're focused more on games than business.

[Segitz]

Oh, E3 IS what it used to be... the conferences AREN'T.

[OmniStalgic]

Nintendo still had some good looking software...Rayman looked awesome...some of the Nintendoland stuff looked really fun with the controller, but tbh, I just still feel it will not be a core gamer's console. Didn't really sell the system all that well, and the fact that there wasn't any titles that looked considerably better than PS3/X360 was a big turn off, as the specs will more than likely be very comparative to current gen systems, then if Durango and Orbis are even slightly powerhouse platforms, the gap will be too large for system parity. The longer this gen last, the better of Wii-U will look, but the more potentially powerful the next consoles will be and overshadow it.

[KRA]

wiiU would be a good idea three years ago.
now it is just kind of pathetic.
but what is really sad
i think it will be quite successfull
at leat in first two years.

[masteratt]

You know I just want Nintendo to succeed because if all three of the companies were as inventive as them, this industry would be a more exciting place.

You know what's pathetic? Gimmicky VITA controls on PS3 and Smartglass.


Nintendo innovates, MS and Sony follows.

[Segitz]

How the?? Where the heck does Sony FOLLOW in this regard? PSP has been shown to do that already... and with remote play, certain games also work similar "on the pad" like Wii U. Now... I know that most of that stuff was techdemo only, and didn't work right... but they SURE AS HELL don't just "follow", and it surely isn't pathetic, either. And I am neither saying "Sony is an innovator"... they aren't. But Nintendo doesn't really innovate either. Or to put it differently... they all suck.

[masteratt]

I remember PSP being used as rear mirror window on GT5, what happened with that. They didn't even follow through.

Way I see it, first MOVE, and now this. Sony took Wii and made it "Sony" by making a super accurate version of it to get some of that Wii money, then they pretty much just abandoned the thing. So far what we've seen of VITA <-> PS3 play is gimmicky to say the least and I don't expect it to get any better. Being "ME TOO!" for the sake of it is to me pathetic and BORING.

Innovation was the wrong word maybe or rather it's got many implied meanings but the fact they took motion game to the forefront like they did along with dual screen and now putting them both together in a way, is rethinking and re-imagining gaming more than the other two companies.


Now it is important to add, I don't think being new and different automatically makes you the best. I am just saying, if the other two was willing to push as many different ideas (note I said 'push', not 'create') as Nintendo is, we might have been in some more interesting places.

So for better or worse, I am a supporter of Nintendo's philosophy. As I am with Sony's when they are taking risks on the software side. Hell my favourite game this gen still is Heavy Rain and that was seen as a "risky" move. More risks, more different ideas pushed, the better. And no-one does things more differently than Nintendo, and again, doesn't automatically means they are good, but the attitude is and their conviction and belief behind what they are pushing.

[OmniStalgic]

You know I just want Nintendo to succeed because if all three of the companies were as inventive as them, this industry would be a more exciting place.

You know what's pathetic? Gimmicky VITA controls on PS3 and Smartglass.


Nintendo innovates, MS and Sony follows.Smartglass is a direct shot at Nintendo, so is MS avatars, Kinect stuff, etc...I'm sure Sony went into R&D with Move stuff before Nintendo released Wii, (EyeToy?) and once they saw it was successful, they did the usual Dual Shock thing, "let's do that, but lets do it better". But this notion of Nintendo innovates while the other 2 copies is absurd. Just because they come out with new peripherals and psychical designs don't mean they are the innovators of the industry.

Why does Nintendo now have a combined Nintendo network? Why do most consoles play movies and have expanded into media machines which a lot of people like? Why is online and connectivity software so important? Why are graphical upgrades every generation expected to be enormous and blow us away? Why did mature themed games even become popular? What console manufacture really pushed for that typed of content? And innovation should only be applauded with hardware ideas? For the past almost 3 years PSN has been kicking arse with innovative, awesome original titles that IMO stand above anything on XBLA and Wii-store.

Not even taking anything away from Nintendo, but that is just a silly statement. They are the ones that come up with hardware and cool ideas a lot, but this industry is hardly driven by them, where the other two companies have to follow. Vita debuted last year remember? Why is anything they do with X-platform play now gimmicky and not just a cool idea? They are literally selling two pieces of software and giving incentives for gamers to get both, completely different from what Wii-U is doing.

It's easy to say everyone should adopt Nintendo's philosophy...When the make stuff always selling at a profit, they have an enormous amount of room for being creative. When was the last time any of Nintendo's ideas graduated into some must-have software title you needed to experience? I can say for myself personally there's not a whole lot of that this generation. Sure, everyone could be more original, but money hinders that more than anything I believe, and I see a dedication to gamers from both Sony and Nintendo, just in different avenues, which I think is fine for the industry. MS seems to be the company really just focused on success.

My point of the rant is, I applaud Nintendo for being original and trying different things, but as you said, it doesn't mean there are the best. And I think they seriously need to figure out how to transform those new ideas into actual game experiences for people that's been playing games. Not just getting back my mother and grandfather who haven't touched a controller since Duck hunt...If Sony is doing "me too" with Vita stuff (which I don't agree with) and Move, then Nintendo is doing "me too" with Nintendo Network and that Xbox 360 clone of a controller. Everyone copies, the real question is, who just makes the best games? In the game industry I think that's the bottom line, and as of now, depending on your preference, all 3 are pretty close in that area.

Edit: I see up top you said Innovation was the wrong word, and I agree, it implies that Nintendo is doing something most things first and excellent while the others are stealing and repackaging. Creative might have been a better word perhaps. Or even bold. Sony has had similar R*D tech for a "Wii-mote" like interface, but would move have released without Wii? Probably not. The way they take chances and green light new ideas in software titles should easily come down to some of there hardware designs as well. For example the boomerang. People hated it, but the logic behind it was cool in that it contoured to the shape of your hand better. If it was truly more comfortable, why not ignore the fans online and try it on the market for a year.

[GTAce]

I remember PSP being used as rear mirror window on GT5, what happened with that. They didn't even follow through.

It was only F1:CE, dunno why everyone remembers it being used in a Gran Turismo.

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Way I see it, first MOVE, and now this. Sony took Wii and made it "Sony" by making a super accurate version of it to get some of that Wii money, then they pretty much just abandoned the thing. So far what we've seen of VITA <-> PS3 play is gimmicky to say the least and I don't expect it to get any better. Being "ME TOO!" for the sake of it is to me pathetic and BORING.

The first prototype of the Move controller system was shown in 2000 or 2001, way before the Wii.
Can't believe people are still on this "Sony copies Nintendo" trip, they never did.

[AC!D]

Only Nintendo have the balls to release a next gen console and show off a freaking 2D game as its flagship launch title.

I wish they would innovate in Software as much as they do in hardware. Thats all im going to say.

[Segitz]

Well... they only get away with it, because it's Mario...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx38Q2nEJBk

[AC!D]

Well they didnt get away with it. Their share price dropped three times since E3.

[Segitz]

But (from what I read) not as badly as when Wii was announced.

[AC!D]

Wii launched with Zelda and forced exclusivity by being different. This console is hitting the market against two similar and cheaper competitors already with massive catalogues. They need to build second party relationships and spend cash on exclusivity. They failed to do this at E3. Hell havent you heard? Even Zombie U is a timed exclusive.

[Segitz]

Oh, I've heard that... not that I really care (yet) about ZombiU (still... worst name EVER). Thing is... for me, it's hard to care for Nintendo at all. I mean, their games don't cater to me at all. There's no equivalent to Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid or Gran Turismo over there. And two of those will never make it there, either. Those exclusives are the only reason I still have a console and use it. The rest is "PC only" for me. I know that Zelda and Mario are great games. And they deserve their sales, at least to a degree. But this desinterest clouds my judgment. Your reasons (PS3 and 360 already established with massive catalogues and lower price) will probably be the tipping point. I can't see a tablet addon being the killer app that makes WiiU sell. I really can't. Especially by late next year, when PS4 and 720 come to market and are 10 times as fast as PS360. It'll be Wii graphics all over again, but not as bad. Think about it... take away the tablet and you gain at least 50€ additional BOM to include into your GPU or CPU. Plus the supposed subsidy by Sony or MS, which Nintendo is less likely to give.

[AC!D]

The funny thing is that i see Wii U extending the life of 360 and PS3 well into next gen. Wii U games should be easy enough to port maybe with small downgrades. Hell PS3 and 360 might even hold back Wii U development from third parties.

Nintendo really need new software that caters to all.

[Gribble-Grunger]

this is a first for the games industry! Sony follow by releasing a year before!!

for those of us that repeated said that the WiiU is already released with the Vita/PS3 combo, i say well done, it appears that Sony got wind of us and made it happen over night.