Official Sony Conference Thread

[Luis]

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/sony-dates-e3-press-conference/094494


The briefing will take place on Monday June 4th at 18:00 PST (that’s 02:00 on the morning of Tuesday June 5th in the UK).

A bit soon to start discussing it I guess, but there's a chance some new games will be shown this week, so we might as well discuss them here.

[solidsnakejej]

Awesome, I was hoping it would be late to avoid my classes.

the other two on Monday:
10:00 AM PDT - Microsoft
3:00 PM PDT - Ubisoft

Wonder if Konami is gonna have a one.

[BahnNZ]

Hoping for a big Vita blowout, hopefully a relaunch basically.

Put up or shut up for Agent, nice demo of that new Naughty Dog game for sure. God of War reveal. Even if it's only a Vita God of War. Team Ico pull your finger out.

2004 E3 all over again. PSPs and last PS3 games.

God knows I'm done buying 360 and Wii games, think PS3 has a couple more stunners in it before it shuffles off this mortal coil. Maybe 3 or 4.

[Viper]

Event: Sony E3 Press Conference

When: June 4th, 6:00pm PT/ 9:00pm ET/ 1:00 am GMT

Viewing Options: TBA




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[masteratt]

I think I streamed it via GameTrailers last year. They streamed the whole All Access thing and it was in very nice HD quality (i.e: Not "internet HD"). I am hoping for a similar experience.

As for Sony: It's funny how I absolutely hated portable announcements now all I want is VITA VITA VITA.

Last Of Us GAMEPLAY.

And of course, surprises. Preferably ones that haven't been 'leaked' at a Soho restaurant by a loud mouth employee.

[OmniStalgic]

I'm predicting the same thing as last year, Nintendo having the most exciting conference because of new hardware showcases, Sony following second with most games we know about, and a few surprises, but there ace could be Vita this year. And MS having one or two surprises, but really nothing but Kinect and strong 3rd party support.

[solidsnakejej]

Some stuff


E3 is just around the corner, and we're already pumped for Sony's press conference.

Sony is enticing the entire world by announcing their plans for this year's major industry event. First and foremost, they say they will announce "the future of gameplay and innovation," which has gotten people talking.

Many like to assume this statement is in reference to the new PlayStation console, the PS4. Others just say they're talking about new software titles, which might make more sense at this particular moment in time. At any rate, Sony also says they'll show off over "20 new gaming experiences," which certainly implies some exclusive fireworks. You can probably expect a bunch of new game announcements for the Vita, as Sony continues to throw their weight behind the new portable.

Furthermore, if you plan on attending, Sony will have over 200 playable kiosks for you to test out upcoming software. For the past few years, many have agreed that Sony won the day at E3 (for a variety of reasons); might they wow everyone again...?

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/11127.html

Press Site:http://www.sceainvites.com/press.php

E3 site w/ countdown and live coverage for the whole week, Seems to be a preview before the show:http://us.playstation.com/e3-2012/

[HighOnSunoco]

And the Sony Hype Machine starts up....Hope we're not disappointed.

Edit: Viper, it's 6 PM PDT/9 PM EST. Not 3 PM EST. ;)

[Gribble-Grunger]

perhaps it would be a good idea to provide any links to live streams in your first post when the show starts

[Viper]

perhaps it would be a good idea to provide any links to live streams in your first post when the show starts

That's the plan. It's why Viewing Options is in there.

[GTAce]

Won't get hyped at all, last shows were too fucking boring.

[Gribble-Grunger]

That's the plan. It's why Viewing Options is in there.

cheers. i'm sure i'm going senile

[Segitz]

Won't get hyped at all, last shows were too fucking boring.

Overall, I do agree... they did have some high points, though... but never ANY real "WOW, that's fucking great" moments.

[Luis]

I bet they'll keep God of War Ascension's single player for the big finale. I don't expect any surprises at this point.

[Viper]

Overall, I do agree... they did have some high points, though... but never ANY real "WOW, that's fucking great" moments.

That's because too much gets leaked before the show. If they'd plug those leaks a little better, they'd have some great presentations.

[solidsnakejej]

Well this should be their good year because of how they've had the releases set up, where in the middle of the major low. 2011 being a big release year should mean them preparing games for 2013. Depending on who is getting ready for next-gen it could be a pretty good show.

We know about new games from Sucker Punch, Quantic Dreams, 2 games with Guerrilla one being Killzone 4. Media Molecule should be working on something new, Ready at Dawn is rumored to be working on a PS3 game. Polyphony is up in the air.

Santa Monica should be big enough to have 2 games going, that second game is likely a shooter though so not sure how people will react to that.

Big question marks remain for the main studios in Europe and Japan.

[Gribble-Grunger]

That's because too much gets leaked before the show. If they'd plug those leaks a little better, they'd have some great presentations.

i actually look forward to the three weeks prior to E3 more than E3 itself... and i reckon that's a pretty good strategy and not unintended leaks

[Segitz]

That's because too much gets leaked before the show. If they'd plug those leaks a little better, they'd have some great presentations.

Actually, it's not even that... the stuff that does get leaked (well, beside PS3 Slim and PSP Go) were "expected" stuff... For all I care, Agent was still the best announcement they made in the past years... and there was NO game to speak of, then... or even today.

It's... yeah, we get 1000 sequels and then there's Tom Ricitello with Tiger Woods and Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed... but they have to have more "Gabe Newell" and "Kevin Butler" moments (well... not really butler, but rather game makers). Sony NEEDS to understand that the E3 pressers are what start viral and public PR movements (i.e. word of mouth)... and with "RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER" and "ALL REAL TIME" and "ONE TO ONE CONTROLS", you do NOT get that. You get ridiculed... and nothing else.

[OmniStalgic]

Even Kevin Butler will get stale though...Phil Harrison was the man I looked forward to at E3. He communicated well, and presented himself as if he was speaking to press/consumers/developers alike, and genuinely made me believe there was someone who had a passion for Playstation products, and wanted only the best software to grace the system. That philosophy may still exist at the company but nobody seems to be stepping up to convey it.

Best bet, get Kaz to present the entire presentation with a few devs coming out if they want to present there games personally. Show a ton of new games for Vita and show that titles are in the works for the platform and ensure consumers it's going to be a successful brand. Keep at least 2 titles complete secrets and reveal at e3 and then reveal what all of WWS is working on, and just to get PS buzz rolling, to a PS4 teaser.

[solidsnakejej]

Time chart from Neogaf, MS and EA times based on SpikeTV/Gametrailer start times, From what I remember they did some reveals before the shows so who knows. I guess I'll handle the EA and Ubisoft threads again this year? Luckily all shows fit into my school schedule perfectly.
http://i.imgur.com/MAlsB.jpg

[masteratt]

Lol only the one I really care about (Sony) is at an odd time for London. I'll stay up, it better be worth it. Actually I might care about Ninty's more, new format = excitement.

[solidsnakejej]

Sony: "The Last Guardian continues to be developed, however we have no news to share at this time with regard to the franchise and E3."
https://twitter.com/#!/jimreilly

[section]

4AM witching hour Sony conference for the win.

[OmniStalgic]

what?^

[BahnNZ]

Lol only the one I really care about (Sony) is at an odd time for London. I'll stay up, it better be worth it. Actually I might care about Ninty's more, new format = excitement.

I'll watch the Nintendo one, current gen or not I like new hardware smell. Also I secretly hope for the return of Cammy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Cammie_Dunaway.jpg/220px-Cammie_Dunaway.jpg

And yeah, Pikmin 3 hell yeah.

Sony obviously. Microsoft one will be good if you want to see the new COD. You can switch it off after that.

Ubishit can eat shit and die... Except for the new 2D Rayman of course. :) Oh yeah I'll take a look at the new Ass Creed and it's no doubt paper thin gameplay. EA I'll watch, they do deliver the goods. Bitta Crysis 3 Battlefield BC 3 etc. Sony need to push that Vita. It's gathering dust right now.

Yah, kinda looking forward to it.

[masteratt]

Oh I am gonna watch every conference from big 3 to publisher ones, I'll just have the keenest eye on Sony.

[Luis]

Any bets? I say Agent won't be shown, The Last Guardian will be a no show either and Syphon Filter PS3 will be the last game at the conference.

[masteratt]

It'll be the biggest surprise for me if Rockstar shows up at E3. Not their scene. So, yeah, no AGENT.

TLG I expect at TGS, so I am with you on that as well.

SF as the end-show? I don't reckon so. Although it is a good bet seeing as that's the only rumoured key franchise they haven't revealed yet. But I am expecting OnLive as the last hurrah if the rumours are true. And the meaty middle will be The Last Of Us gameplay I'd imagine....Or maybe the other way around come to think of it.

Also maybe other functionality/service announcements as well, seeing as we had 12+ hours of maintenances few times past few months with nothing to show for it. Maybe it was all for OnLive but a big FW will be welcome since PS3 hasn't had a proper FW update for what must be a year or more now.

[AC!D]

A new Ghost Recon and Assassins Creed 3 have both been leaked by another trigger happy retailer for Vita. Rumour has it that Castlevania Lord of shadows 2 will also be announced next to the home console versions by Kojima at E3.

[KRA]

new sucker punch game ? before infamous3 at the launch of ps4 ?

[OmniStalgic]

I would love to see a new deal with ThatGameCompany, also as Kra mentioned what Sucker Punch is doing since the team is different for Sly 4. God of War single player reveal, new Last of Us Trailer, Little big Planet Karting building system, and Sony's Battle Royal gameplay are of course expected, but still, nice to see updates to, as all look like potential AAA games. And just one "new" PS3 game from Sony and one from third party I think will be enough. Guerilla Game, Evolution, Polyphony, and Media Molecule could all show off what they are doing currently, or it could be the rumored Syphone Filter.

As far as new content though, I'm expecting and wishing the bulk of that comes from the Vita side. It's a new platform, and between Sony's WWS, third party, and the split between big budget titles and more affordable PSN games, I think the list should easily hit 15+ new titles for Vita MINIMUM. Perhaps not a scene for Monster Hunter because that's what TGS is for, but I definitely want to see more inspired titles like Sound Shapes and Gravity Rush for Vita. Hopefully some third party love as well from Sega, Namco, Capcom & Nippon..,Very excited about Sony's show, as it will mostly focus on games games, and more games. Runner-up is Nintendo because even if the show is stellar, it still means a $300+ purchase this holiday season to get these experiences, while 3DS is a much easier pill to swallow, but there is where I would rather place most things on Vita's bigger screen and more comfortable analog setup, so unless Vita releases completely suck at e3, I'm hoping third party aren't just throwing everything Nintendo's way this time around.

[GTAce]

I doubt Polyphony will show anything, or if, it will be a business-ish report about the GT Academy.

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Any bets? I say Agent won't be shown, The Last Guardian will be a no show either and Syphon Filter PS3 will be the last game at the conference.

I bet AGENT is cancelled.

[AC!D]

I do hope Rockstar pitch up and announce the release date for GTA V. The sooner they get that game out then the sooner we will see sequels for Red Dead, LA Noir and Max Payne.

[Segitz]

If Agent wasn't cancelled by now, it's going the way of LA Noire... who knows. Sony might not want to put more money into it, as they should save it for other ventures (though a new IP is always nice).

I just hope we'll see some cool things. I mean, something cool. I am starving for a new GTA.

[Luis]

I gotta wonder what has been wrong with Agent. Surely that and FFVSXIII will go multiplatform if they ever see the light of day.

[masteratt]

Nothing wrong with it, case of Sony announcing it too soon I think. I did read reports that Sony called Rockstar at the last minute desperate for an announcement and Rockstar rushed the logo for the conference.

For all we know, it's all going as planned at Rockstar HQ, they've released many games since AGENT's announcement. I reckon it's their next big game after GTAV. And I am definitely expecting multi-plat.

I won't expect GTAV at E3, Rockstar doesn't do E3 (other than Moore temp-tattooing GTAIV for timed-exclusive DLC and Sony very hastily announcing a game).


I am expecting VITA VITA VITA as Omni said from Sony though, primarily. More than PS3 ports I am hoping.

[Segitz]

I know that R* won't be at E3... but I want a new Trailer^^

[Raitei]

Well, R* games have all come from different studios. Did we find out which is working on Agent? Also, I'd imagine a GTA announcement to happen at the MS presser instead. GTA seemed more aligned with the 360 this gen than the PS3.

[masteratt]

DLC exclusivity stuff happened but I still think majority see it as a PlayStation franchise. And the director of Rockstar Studios went on bit of a anti-MS shout after the game release saying the disc space was a huge concern and also praised PS3 for it's rendering, adding personally it's his favourite version due to him preferring the soft look PS3 rendering puts out.

More than anything GTAV related, I just want to see wtf they are going to do space wise. No way will it be 1 disc and I am thinking no way will they do "switch disc" everytime you cross a loading line on a map. So yeah.....Anyway, don't mean to make this a GTA thread.

AGENT is by Rockstar's A-Team and was hyped by the studio as the 'next GTA'.

[Segitz]

Well, R* games have all come from different studios. Did we find out which is working on Agent? Also, I'd imagine a GTA announcement to happen at the MS presser instead. GTA seemed more aligned with the 360 this gen than the PS3.

Hm... yeah, the DLC came out first over there... but that so long ago, nobody remembers^ Not sure if MS wants to afford it... but there's not much else they do have, besides Halo and "first come DLC" for BLOPS2.

[Gribble-Grunger]

lots of Vita games and games we've already seen. LBPKarting create mode; GOWA singleplayer; TLOU gameplay... the show will then turn to cloud and the purchase/deal with a cloud company. the big thing will be playing ANY PS3 game on the go through the Vita using the cloud. and the last game to be shown will be Cages masterpiece.

[AC!D]

I cant wait to finally see Infraworld. That, TLOU and maybe a Sucker Punch game will be more than enough. Some hreat new Vita games and anything on TLG will be icing on the cake.

[solidsnakejej]

Shouldn't this be closed or merged with the other thread?

[masteratt]

Wow I thought this was the one at E3 board (I navigate via New Posts).

Guys please realise we have a general Video Game section (http://e-mpire.com/forumdisplay.php/9-Video-Games) for all things Multi-platform and an E3 board (http://e-mpire.com/forumdisplay.php/182-E3-2012) (posts/ threads will be sorted into their appropriate sections after the E3 dust settles).

If you have the site bookmarked at the PS3 section please update your bookmark to general Video Game section (http://e-mpire.com/forumdisplay.php/9-Video-Games) or the forum root (http://e-mpire.com/forums.php). Keeping everything in the PS3 section helps no-one :)

Thread merged into the appropriate E3 one.

[FantasyGhost]

With e3 around the corner i took it upon myself to look up some patents they recently put up: (images can only be seen on windows pc's for some reason they use tiff images and mac doesn't read tiff anymore...)
This is the search i did on sony computer entertainment: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=Sony+Computer+Entertainment&FIELD1=&co1=AND&TERM2=&FIELD2=&d=PTXT

Keyboard of some sorts attached to your ps3 controler: http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=08188977&PageNum=2&IDKey=AC93B757EEE1&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526p=1%2526u=% 25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r=3%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526co1=AND%252 6d=PTXT%2526s1=%252522Sony%252BComputer%252BEntert ainment%252522%2526OS=%252522Sony%252BComputer%252 BEntertainment%252522%2526RS=%252522Sony%252BCompu ter%252BEntertainment%252522

old school handheld (looks a lot like the DS imo) with camera http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=08177441&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fn ph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1 %2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D18%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1% 3DAND%2526d%3DPTXT%2526s1%3D%252522Sony%252BComput er%252BEntertainment%252522%2526OS%3D%252522Sony%2 52BComputer%252BEntertainment%252522%2526RS%3D%252 522Sony%252BComputer%252BEntertainment&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page


weird looking move controlled steering wheel http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=D0656996&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fn ph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1 %2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D46%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1% 3DAND%2526d%3DPTXT%2526s1%3D%252522Sony%252BComput er%252BEntertainment%252522%2526OS%3D%252522Sony%2 52BComputer%252BEntertainment%252522%2526RS%3D%252 522Sony%252BComputer%252BEntertainment%252522&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page

btw no e-mpire coverage on e3?

[Viper]

btw no e-mpire coverage on e3?

We might have 1 person covering the Nintendo conferences this year but that will be the extent of it for live, hands on coverage. The ESA, which controls E3 registration, changed the way they allocate the number of media registrants per media outlet a few years ago. The stat tracking firms they use had also changed the way they tracked web sites. Unfortunately, for over 3 years those site were under the impression that E-mpire.com didn't even exist anymore because we didn't have their tracking code embedded in our server. So as far as the ESA was concerned, we no longer existed and didn't meet their traffic requirements to send a large team anymore.

We can now send 1 or 2 people but it's not economically feasible to send a small team. It works best in teams of 4 so they can share a hotel room. A 5 day stay at an LA motel close to the convention can cost well over $1,000 (hotels can be much higher). Include the ~$600 airfare and you can see why it becomes a very expensive event to attend. So if we can't send a large group it's not worth it to send just 1 or 2.

Even the 1 conference we might cover is coincidental. He will happen to be in LA on business next week. We were even lucky enough that Nintendo granted us access at the last minute (we requested it and was granted it just this week). But he won't have time to cover the show floor nor would the ESA grant him a media badge anyway since he doesn't have any published articles in the past 6 months (must have at least 2 published articles within 6 months of E3).

[FantasyGhost]

make him publish 2 right now lol... Kinda sucks though. We'll make due with what we got. Hopefully next year we'll get more people to go for a bigger unveil of the next gen consoles.

[Viper]

make him publish 2 right now lol... Kinda sucks though. We'll make due with what we got. Hopefully next year we'll get more people to go for a bigger unveil of the next gen consoles.

Even if he did 2 right now and was granted on premises registration (most foreign personnel actually register at E3 itself rather than online months in advance like we do), he'd not have time to cover anything since he's in LA on business.

[Gribble-Grunger]

I see that Spike TV isn't showing the Sony conference this year. They say it's because they couldn't work out a deal... I agree with some people who say it's a strategic move on Microsofts part. Spike is owned by Viacom and Viacom is a partner with Microsoft

[Viper]

I see that Spike TV isn't showing the Sony conference this year. They say it's because they couldn't work out a deal... I agree with some people who say it's a strategic move on Microsofts part. Spike is owned by Viacom and Viacom is a partner with Microsoft

But they are broadcasting the Nintendo conference.

[solidsnakejej]

Yea, this is nothing, GTTV has revealed more PS3 exclusives the past several years then any other place except for E3.

[Gribble-Grunger]

this appeared on the official playstation site. looks like PS+ is going to be a major part of the conference and with that 'never stop playing' also there... :)

http://mediastreet.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!IIKJDH!-!zrzor45!-!MMLLOQIM-NJJK-HFRH-MMOL-RIDEHHJENISG!-!72y1nq/hint.jpg

[solidsnakejej]

Yes, there have been several rumors

By the way, if you don't have a PS+ subscription, now is the time to get one. For real. Just get 3 months if you aren't sure. Trust me.
^^ making some believe only current subscribers will get what they are announcing.
https://twitter.com/drof1337/status/204939117212082176
Sony prepping PlayStation Plus revamp with top tier free games, expansion to Vita (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-29-sony-prepping-playstation-plus-revamp-with-top-tier-free-games-expansion-to-vita)

[solidsnakejej]

Quantic Dream’s next game after Heavy Rain will be called Beyond, MCV understands.

It is expected that studio boss David Cage will take to the stage at Sony’s E3 press event tomorrow morning (2am UK time) to debut the title, US publishing sources have told MCV.

As with Heavy Rain, it will be narrative based and use motion-captured actors to give a sense of real-world immersion. What we also know is that the game will be a Sony exclusive.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/e3-2012-cage-to-reveal-beyond-at-sony-presser/097264


A German retailer has listed Diablo 3 for release on PS3. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/350864/diablo-3-listed-for-ps3-release-in-2012/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS)

[solidsnakejej]

Possible first screen shots of Beyond
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/350992/david-cages-beyond-stars-ellen-page-rumoured-screenshots-suggest/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS

[OmniStalgic]

what's going on? I thought I was gonna log in this morning and see crazy updates? When's SOny conference starting?

[solidsnakejej]

tonight about 9PM EST

[FantasyGhost]

So we only can watch the show on PS+, no where else or even regular PS online?

[solidsnakejej]

No, There will be plenty of places including the streams I've post in other threads.

[Domination]

So we only can watch the show on PS+, no where else or even regular PS online?

IGN has a pretty good feed.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.ign.com/&sa=U&ei=WgPNT7qILZSk8gTfm82tDw&ved=0CBIQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGDHzAve7Mxm3McOLGZbHwfkRGumw

...off to the right, scheduled times and live feed box. Time given is based on PT. So get your time zone correct to make sure you tune in on time.

[jaxmkii]

Ok im back... Hoping for new hardware.

[solidsnakejej]

Prepare to be disappointed.

[OmniStalgic]

if Sony conference is anything like MS, PS3 will likely be my last console...

[venomv]

Ok im back... Hoping for new hardware.

After MS showed nothing I'm not very optimistic...

But that was my #1 hope for E3 out of MS and Sony.

[solidsnakejej]

1hr 30mins

[Raitei]

Haven't both pretty much confirmed there won't be new hardware? Most games press, who tend to know a little more than they can say, seem adamant nothing will be shown.

After the hype that was Ubi, I get the feeling Sony will disappoint. 12 sizzle reels, mandatory 3D and not much new is my guess. Would love to be proved wrong, I'm still a PS fanboy by heart.

[Gribble-Grunger]

Hideo Kojima Spotted at Sony’s E3 Press Conference

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/06/04/hideo-kojima-spotted-at-sonys-e3-press-conference/

[BahnNZ]

If you have an iPad / AppleTV you can pipe the GameTrailers stream right into your big screen TV, that's what I'm doing.

And even chat and rate on GT with the iPad on your lap while you watch TV. Wii U Smart Glass style. Very cool.

Future is now.

[Crazybone126]

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2012/06/04/hideo-kojima-spotted-at-sonys-e3-press-conference/

He was at the Xbox event as well, though.

[solidsnakejej]

Streams:
G4TV: http://www.g4tv.com/e3-2012/press-conferences/sony/135/
GamesRadar/Edge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUMoX-pl8AA
GameSpot: http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/sony-e3/
GameTrailers: http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/pressconferences/
IGN: http://www.ign.com/events/e3/2012/live-video

PS Official UStream:http://www.ustream.tv/playstation

[Gribble-Grunger]

you can also watch it through the XMB. it can be downloaded from the 'what's new' section of the store. only in america though :(

[solidsnakejej]

PlayStation live stream begun, promises live demos
http://www.ustream.tv/playstation

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[OmniStalgic]

already liking the tone and enthusiasm of Sony's pre-show...

[solidsnakejej]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1un85z.gif

[gibmonster]

games games games! Love the enthusiasm and the focus on core gaming content

[solidsnakejej]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-5xrzo8.gif

[OmniStalgic]

started off awesome...now it's terrible -_-

wth is wonderbook???! And why just say there's gonna be 60 Vita titles this year??! Show em!!!

:rant: wasting so much time on this nonsense...

[BahnNZ]

This conference is boring and embarrassing. Next time have a 6 year console cycle idiots.

The PC won this years E3. Never been so glad to be a PC Gamer.

[OmniStalgic]

I truly don't understand this, is it because so many people watch e3 that they have to do the boring "for kids" stuff during the presentation? Ridiculous really...God of War, TLOU, new Vita games, just show us what we came for lol...

Heavy Rain creator was a nice opening, but this is hard to watch...

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seriously, why is this so long???

Good god, it's over...

[gibmonster]

This is truly cringe inducing stuff.

They're spending way too much time with this.

[BahnNZ]

Ubisoft won E3. Just an incredible show.

Sony, new Playstation or f**k off. PS3 is boooooooring.

You see if I hate everything... I'm not a troll. I'm a cynic.

[solidsnakejej]

Still have Nintendo, don't write them off.

[Viper]

Still have Nintendo, don't write them off.

He's already written them off. He'd rather hold and iPad and an X360 controller at the same time than the Wii U Game Pad.

[BahnNZ]

Still have Nintendo, don't write them off.

:)

I wonder if I can slash my wrist with my Playstation Move...

Ball... Keeps... Squishing....

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He's already written them off. He'd rather hold and iPad and an X360 controller at the same time than the Wii U Game Pad.

I have an arm chair with arms to balance an iPad on. I'm sure they have such things in America too.

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God of War.... God of War.... Now I want to live!!! To live!!!!

[OmniStalgic]

God War gameplay looks incredible...dunno if it makes us for that vomit session however...

[D3adcell]

I hope this guy doesn't beat the entire game in front of us.

[BahnNZ]

Only thing worth a damn at Sony E3. Never been a Heavy Rain fan, sorry.

Look I will stay up for the Nintendo funeral conference and if Wii U is all awesome and next gen and Watch Dogs I will apologize...

If it's a slightly better than current gen console with an exciting Windows 6 phone stylus interface... Not so much...

Once again, how can I be a troll if I think Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all suck.

Ohhh... Last of Us. There's a good conference here, just took 80 minutes to start.

[OmniStalgic]

ok TLOU is awesome...

[D3adcell]

The last of us is amazing!

[Diresu]

Awesome event. Beyond, GOW, and Last of Us. SOLD. The harry potter crap went on a bit too long but still hell of a lot better than what MS showed.

[BahnNZ]

Awful. I was going to buy Last of us and God of War anyway.


I hope it's so incredibly bad as they're hard at work on PS4 titles.

Worst Sony E3 in living memory. Worse than 2006 with the Massive Crab Damage and the Riiiiiige Racer.

[gibmonster]

apart from that wonderbook crap. The message I took away from this conference is that there's no need for new hardware. Wii U seems pretty redundant already. If they want to compete with current gen, their first party titles should have the attention to detail displayed in GOW and the last of us. Otherwise pretty graphics mean nothing.

[masteratt]

Beyond was awesome.

Omg I wanted to kill myself during the wonderbook or whatever the hell it was called session..

God Of War looked like an uninspired rehash to me, really felt bored watching that. But then I felt the same about GoW3.

And um no other games were shown...Other than Last Of Us of course which was an expected wow.

Overall: Highly disappointed and LACK OF GAMES what the hell. Where was VITA? They also talked too much and that wonderbook omg.......I thought it was an easy win over MS but Sony just took it.

[Raitei]

That died in the middle. God of War looked pretty uninspiring to me really, nothing particularly new from that.

[solidsnakejej]

Where was the new games? Where is Sucker punch, Guerrilla, anything new. Where was the vita titles?

[OmniStalgic]

I guess the scene is just changing or something, and the Press conference is not going to show 10-15 game anymore:shrug:

MS thing is, there's nothing there...

But S0ny has all these studios, all these titles being worked on, yet only shows like 5 of em:shrug: lol....Good PR, but I just don't get why not show everything...PS3 is looking great, but Vita kinda got ignored. As usual with Sony fashion, PS blog and Gametrailers with the interviews are going to put Vita into a better light than Sony could. Can't be too mad at them, because there was definitely a bunch of stuff in the trailer that I've never seen before, but I wish more of the content was in the actual conference.

Still the big 3 exclusives do look awesome TLOU, GOW, and Beyond all look good. Showing the same stage we saw for Brawl made it look old lol...No little Big Planet Karting talk, Gravity Rush, Sound Shapes, the new Vita titles (supposively 60) just a lot more content should have been shown. Besides that excrutiating 30 minutes of the Move Book, though, very enjoyable, especially Beyhond. Could have really killed MS, even though most people who follow game already know there's a lot more exclusive content coming, the hype train doesn't start with just 2-3 awesome games. Tretton should have just said his speech in the beginning, and let WWS speak for itself, these 4-9 minutes demos are not necessary, SHOW MORE GAMES, not more of a few good ones.

Solid B-

[Viper]

Where was the new games? Where is Sucker punch, Guerrilla, anything new. Where was the vita titles?

I get the feeling that little was shown from certain devs because they've already transitioned to PS4 and Sony just isn't ready to show that yet.

Though they really needed to take this opportunity to get Vita going and they failed on that aspect. Everybody expected they'd really bring out the big Vita guns but there really wasn't much there. Missed opportunity.

[masteratt]

Beyond (amazing)
Playstation All Star (meh)
Far Cry 3 (already seen at Ubisoft)
Wonderbook (kill me please)
God Of War (zzzz)
The Last Of Us (F yeah!)

Only 6 games wtf. All but two were known about as well. One we never wanted to know about. In between that Jack repeating same stuff very annoyingly AND nothing on VITA. Sony doesn't give a shit about saving it obviously, that's what I got from this E3.

Overall: C-

[BahnNZ]

The WonderBook stuff did surprise me though, I've often looked at Kinect games and thought... If only Move could be this lame...

I'm going to go watch the Watch Dogs trailer again. Yum, yum yum.

[Diresu]

I get the feeling that little was shown from certain devs because they've already transitioned to PS4 and Sony just isn't ready to show that yet.

Though they really needed to take this opportunity to get Vita going and they failed on that aspect. Everybody expected they'd really bring out the big Vita guns but there really wasn't much there. Missed opportunity.

This being most likely the last year of current gen consoles, I suppose it was always going to be winding down.

[Domination]

I gave the conference a B-

I love the talent Sony had behind their games, but at the sametime did I feel like the conference was being drawn out with too much gameplay to where it got in the way of other announcements that I didn't get a chance to hear about like.......GaiKai or PSN. Other than that, it was rather good.[COLOR="Black"]

[solidsnakejej]

I get the feeling that little was shown from certain devs because they've already transitioned to PS4 and Sony just isn't ready to show that yet.

Though they really needed to take this opportunity to get Vita going and they failed on that aspect. Everybody expected they'd really bring out the big Vita guns but there really wasn't much there. Missed opportunity.

But most of these studios have been working on two titles, quantic dream, sucker punch, guerrilla. they can't be all for next gen

[gibmonster]

apart from that wonderbook crap. The message I took away from this conference is that there's no need for new hardware yet. Wii U seems pretty redundant already. If they want to compete with current gen, their first party titles should have the attention to detail displayed in GOW and the last of us. Otherwise pretty graphics mean nothing.

Also with other alternatives available or on the horizon, like smart glass, cross ps3/ vita play, and PC's which can let you play multi-platform games at higher settings than current gen.

[Viper]

But most of these studios have been working on two titles, quantic dream, sucker punch, guerrilla. they can't be all for next gen

Keep in mind that with a new generation comes the need for new game engines and that can take up a whole team through a whole development cycle.

Maybe there was more they could have shown but didn't. Saving it for TGS? Who knows.

[Diresu]

Keep in mind that with a new generation comes the need for new game engines and that can take up a whole team through a whole development cycle.

Maybe there was more they could have shown but didn't. Saving it for TGS? Who knows.

There is TGS, there is Leipzig...plenty of time to show more.

[Viper]

apart from that wonderbook crap. The message I took away from this conference is that there's no need for new hardware. Wii U seems pretty redundant already. If they want to compete with current gen, their first party titles should have the attention to detail displayed in GOW and the last of us. Otherwise pretty graphics mean nothing.

Why did you post that twice 14 minutes apart?

[Crazybone126]

Yes, Gib, we saw your comment and know you're trying to get a negative reaction out of someone, stop copying and pasting it.

[solidsnakejej]

Keep in mind that with a new generation comes the need for new game engines and that can take up a whole team through a whole development cycle.

Maybe there was more they could have shown but didn't. Saving it for TGS? Who knows.

The problem is I'm getting worried about the management, outside SCEA releases are becoming more inconsistent.

also another curious thing is Gaikai not being announced which seemed like a sure thing.

[OmniStalgic]

Nah, there's definitely some more stuff for PS3, I think Sony just doesn't push the devs to make trailers anymore. Trying to space stuff out for TGS, a COD for Vita title, but no trailer. Why not? The game is coming out this year? Where's the big Vita title? Assassin's Creed? We want Gravity Rush, Sound Shapes, and elaboration on all that stuff in the montage. Where's Dust 14? How don't you get Call of Duty vita trailer ready? Why am I looking forward more to after coverage of the show in the Sony booth than the press conference? lol...

well, as long as the games are coming, I guess I shouldn't be too upset the trailers weren't shown in the actual conference, but man, I really wanted to be convinced to pick up my Vita. Now my $$$ is going back in the bank.

Nintendo hopefully won't follow the same pattern and show everything in trailers and interviews, wow us at the actual conference Nintendo. Everyone else has the weird sense of what an entertaining conference means now.

I'm sure the people there were happy though, a year of free PS+

[solidsnakejej]

CoD vita is probably not at the point of showing yet.

[Diresu]

I was a bit surprised how little focus was on VITA. Could be they are saving all of that for TGS though.

[Gribble-Grunger]

you guys are nuts. apart from Wonderbook this conference was FANTASTIC.

[OmniStalgic]

wonderbook took up waaaaay too much of the conference, which should have been more dedicated to Vita. I will guarantee you, that will likely be everyone's problem with the conference. Even withteh long demonstration. That wonderbook thing was waaay too long, and Vita didn't get any new game announcement besides AC, which no one even cares about because you'll likely get the home console version for the best experience.

Sites will likely give Sony a slight pass because the PR was pretty decent, the focus was definitely on games, and 60 games on Vita before the year is out is more than enough to satisfy people. We already knew PS3 was ok well into 2013 and perhaps beyond that, so TLOU and Beyond being awesome is not as powerful as Vita being awesome. It's essentially the same as Sony saying how many people are on board with Vita, then no games coming out. What are those 60+ Vita titles? How many of them are new? What's up with last Guardian? Why pick Ubisoft's Far Cry game to announce exclusive deals like anyone cares:shrug:

Content wise, big missed opportunity by Sony

[Viper]

Nintendo hopefully won't follow the same pattern and show everything in trailers and interviews, wow us at the actual conference Nintendo. Everyone else has the weird sense of what an entertaining conference means now.

Nintendo actually has 3 more conferences. The regular E3 presentation tomorrow which will be all about the Wii U and games, a roundtable later that night that is invite only and then one on Wednesday that will be all about the 3DS (this one, like the main presentation tomorrow, will be streamed live).

[BahnNZ]

On the bright side there's a new Start the Party Move game and we were spared that.

[Coded-Dude]

Sony's E3 Strategy as of late(IMHO): Leak news and images of upcoming games; during the conference show 10+ minutes of gameplay; talk about new software, users, and studios for 45 minutes; open big, end big(with AAA gameplay). I wonder what their conference that announces PS4 will be like?

Not having a Vita(and owning a dead PS3), this conference tore me decision even further....(which to buy). I'm leaning towards Vita, hoping for PS4 B/C, but may have to rbeak down and get a slim to finish some titles I own and buy a few coming out. Still need a new BD player anyways.

[gibmonster]

Sorry, I did not mean to post twice and it was not my intention to come off as asshole. Don't know what happened, but I saw the quick post with what I typed and thought I hadn't posted yet.

Overall I felt the conference was good, but not great.

I am curious about what Nintendo will show.

[masteratt]

Sony's E3 Strategy as of late(IMHO): Leak news and images of upcoming games; during the conference show 10+ minutes of gameplay; talk about new software, users, and studios for 45 minutes; open big, end big(with AAA gameplay). I wonder what their conference that announces PS4 will be like?

Not having a Vita(and owning a dead PS3), this conference tore me decision even further....(which to buy). I'm leaning towards Vita, hoping for PS4 B/C, but may have to rbeak down and get a slim to finish some titles I own and buy a few coming out. Still need a new BD player anyways.

Dude there were literally zero VITA games shown, my mind is blown as to how this conference made you lean towards VITA? If anything, this conference made me lean more towards selling mine. Just waiting for Gravity Rush.

PS3 had The Last Of Us and Beyond.

[Diresu]

Well, PS1 games and AC -vita I am excited for.

[BahnNZ]

Guy on GAF wants to kill himself


Sony's E3 Press Conference made me depressed.

It made me have no hopes for the future of gaming, and I'm just seriously depressed right now. No news at all for new first party Vita games, and I'm a Vita owner. I feel like just selling my Vita because I've given up with it already.

Sony, you just seriously made me hate life even more

[solidsnakejej]

We've gone from PS3 has no games to PSVita has no games

[masteratt]

Yeah, shame Sony can't launch a system :)

Luckily the preceding system always has enough to keep you busy while the new one gets its shit together.

[solidsnakejej]

Arrow count in The Last of US, #yearofthebow
http://i.minus.com/dP4GIogTEHfgP/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-05%20at%201.09.08%20AM.png

[Coded-Dude]

Dude there were literally zero VITA games shown, my mind is blown as to how this conference made you lean towards VITA? If anything, this conference made me lean more towards selling mine. Just waiting for Gravity Rush.

PS3 had The Last Of Us and Beyond.

I won't be buying a console this summer, too busy with other things to spend money on. Both will likely see a price drop this fall(or at least have some great bundles). Vita continues to add features to its library; and while the games aren't lush yet....there is a reason I am not a Vita early adapter. I jumped the gun on PSP - don't get me wrong it had some great games - software features were lackluster and cross compatibility was, well you know. Sony seems to have learned some valuable lessons with PSP, but I am still waiting to see how things develop. As for PS3 slim(I am also content to wait for PS4 with B/C - but also doubt that plausibility)....depends on the prices this shopping season.

[OmniStalgic]

Games are in development though, they simply weren't shown....

I get the disappointing feeling, but it definitely wasn't the awkwardness of MS's conference. Sony talked about what they were doing more than showing it, but it is there, we simply have to wait for trailers, interviews, and game debuts to talk about it. 60+titles in 2012 may mean Sony's fiscal year, but either way from now to March 2013, there should be an big increase in titles. If they're not, then Sony is full of crap and you should sell your Vita. But going overboard because the press conference itself wasn't a boatload of world debuts is kinda stupid IMO, E3 has changed in that aspect. All Sony talked about was games, looking for the best developers, and trying to find innovative talent, so how the hell is the future of gaming in question:huh: Because they couldn't show what the meant this year??? lol...

I get it, PR is talk, but at least it's the right kind of bs Sony is shoving up ur arse...Just wish Vita had a 2-3 more debuts for this year, and not just the statement that "hey, there's gonna be 60 Vita games, we're supporting it blah blah blah..."

MS was terrible....but at least Live is continuing to change and add features...

Sony was ok, with a fantastic intro and ending...

and hopefully Nintendo's is the most entertaining, introducing a new platform with some more game debuts...

[Segitz]

I for one was glad there was no Vita stuff... I don't care for that thing at all. They could've dropped the Wonderbook stuff in favor of Vita, and I would've been ok with that.

On the other hand, it was rather... underwhelming if you look at real announcements. Sure the gameplay shown was all nice. But it was merely Beyond, wasn't it? I was really hoping for something more Hideo Kojima or something... though I doubt that they'll show anything new before Rising hits the bargain bin.

The crowds reaction however was the complete opposite to MS... and still Pachter et al will give them the nod^^ Not that I care anymore... just mentioning it here.

[Luis]

I read there will be a Vita event this month, which should explain why they almost didn't show anything. Not that I care about that.

In terms of more games to debut, remember they still have Gamescom in August and TGS in September.

[Viper]

To put the 60 games into perspective, Vita has just 51 games released (all territories, retail and download).

[masteratt]

Why are they throwing numbers out though? Isn't it worrying they didn't go into what those games were, like, AT ALL.

WE HAVE 43534534 GAMES COMING THIS YEAR!!

Cool, what are they?!

Eh, I dunno, some crap not worth mentioning in the biggest gaming show on the planet where we could have mentioned them to save VITA but really they aren't worth mentioning. But we have them! In the meanwhile check out how we are using VITA to accompany PS3 games in gimmicky ways, ooh isn't that nice!



(sorry @AC!D (http://e-mpire.com/member.php?u=19667) :) I am done now)

[Segitz]

I found the "200 dl games in the coming year" interesting. Broken down, that's 4 games a week... can't see that happening.

[venomv]

They most definitely could have shown more games but everything they shown at least has something new that we didn't (or weren't supposed to) know. AC3 with the ship combat (actually made me want the game after not playing one after the first one bored me), FC3 with 4 player COOP and a map editor, Beyond was all new except for the name I think we knew, couple new character for All-Stars Brawl (Probably the least new info, but this is a game they needed to hit in the conference), what part Ellie was going to play in the game and the use of backpack crafting (for lack of a better word) for The Last of US. And of course Wonderbook, which I still think is a great idea in terms of a kids game, but they spent way to much time on it.

Did I miss anything? I was hoping for some Dust 514 info, but was not surprised when it wasn't in Sony's conference again, and like almost everyone else I'm wondering were the heck the Vita is....

I would probably give it a B-, too. Blows MS's conference out of the water but they could have done so much more...

[D3adcell]

Well maybe there will be Vita games on the show floor that will be nice surprises.

[Crazybone126]

Whenever you hear someone name THAT many games (60) coming soon, 40% of it is probably shovelware nonsense no one cares about. That's just FAR too many games. 10-20 I can understand, but 60? That's quite a bit.

[AC!D]

Assassins Creed
COD
Killzone
Souls Sacrifice
Vikings attack
Dokuro
Sly 4
Playstation Battle all stars
LBP
MGS collection
Persona 4
Sound Shapes
Smart as
FF X
FF Type O
Sumioni
Rayman Legends
Earth Defence Force 3
Gravity Rush
Zone of Enders collection
Oddworld Strangers wrath
Oddwrld Abes Odyssey
Ghost Recon
Monster Hunter 3
Malicious
Ruin RPG ( Called something else now dungeon something i think )
Tales of Innocence
Little Kings story
Phantasy Star online 2
Ragnarok Odyssey
Samurai and Dragons
Silent Hill Book of memories
Rainbow moon
Im guessing EA will have the usual host of 4 or 5 sports games like Tiger, madden and FIFA

Ive heard rumours about Lords of Shadow 2 and Rising also coming to Vita but again those are just rumours. Theres also that weird listing for Metal Gear Solid and a Resident Evil Game on some retailers site. Again these are bother rumoured.

The other 30 will probably be PSN like experiences. Im sure TGS might have a few surprises also.

[GTAce]

Meredith Molinari with David Cage, Jack Tretton, and new Pulse Headset – 11:30am -12:00pm
The Last of Us – 12:00pm – 12:30pm
Sports Champions 2 – 12:30pm – 1:00pm
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale – 1:00pm -1:30pm
Unfinished Swan – 1:30pm – 2:00pm
DUST 514 – 2:00pm – 2:30pm
LittleBigPlanet Karting – 2:30pm – 3:00pm
Assassin’s Creed III: Liberation – 3:00pm – 3:15pm
When Vikings Attack – 3:15pm – 3:30pm
Soul Sacrifice – 3:30pm – 4:00pm
God of War: Ascension – 4:00pm – 4:30pm
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita – 4:30pm – 5:00pm
Far Cry 3 – 5:00pm – 5:30pm
PULSE LIVE: Day 1 Highlights – 5:30pm – 6:00pm


http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/06/05/playstation-e3-live-broadcast-starts-in-minutes/

[AC!D]

Fuck and i just bought my new headset and now they go release the Pulse headset that supports the Vita. Im such an asshole. I should have known!!!

[jako]

where can I watch the entire conference ?? linky please :)

[GTAce]

Just confirmed: Everything AI wise we saw was unscripted in TLoU. Even the brick stuff from Ellie, everything's dynamic.

[Gribble-Grunger]

where can I watch the entire conference ?? linky please :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlcXHPWJso&hd=1

[Coded-Dude]

Just confirmed: Everything AI wise we saw was unscripted in TLoU. Even the brick stuff from Ellie, everything's dynamic.

can't be arsed to provide a link LAZYAce? :P

[Segitz]

Pachter actually gave Sony the best rating for the conference... mostly due to the fact that Sony showed 2 new IPs this late in the cycle.

[solidsnakejej]

I've been surprised hearing the reactions, people are saying MS over Nintendo for the most part.

[Segitz]

Whoa... not that I can really comment on Nintendo (saw only the latter half, which is said to be way worse), but MS was... pretty bad. Sony wasn't ideal either... but they streamlined out the "peripheral" stuff, which I liked... though I'd have preferred something more gamey instead of half an our of wonderbook.

[venomv]

There is no way I could put MS ahead of Nintendo.

Probably anyone who does just plays shooters.

[GTAce]

can't be arsed to provide a link LAZYAce? :P

Was said in the stream: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/06/05/playstation-e3-live-broadcast-starts-in-minutes/

[OmniStalgic]

very odd...there's more than a couple Vita E3 trailers...lol none of them shown at conference. Perhaps Sony should have made a separation show for Vita

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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-playstation-3/731340

that basically sums up E3 right there...without the boring stuff....Beyond/TLOU still better to watch official trailers for epicness though.

[BahnNZ]

http://i.minus.com/iCXX1fHU2RUXn.gif

[Diresu]

As people on Reddit said...horrible misrepresentation of the actual conference, but funny.

[Gribble-Grunger]

Vita/PS3 = Wiiu


LittleBigPlanet 2 with Vita cross-play is Sony's answer to Wii U and SmartGlass


Sony has an answer to the asymmetrical multiplayer showcased by the Wii U and Microsoft's SmartGlass technology — whether they realize it or not.

LittleBigPlanet 2's upcoming Vita Cross-Play DLC pack made its appearance in Sony's E3 press conference, but it didn't have the impact that the update may deserve. The presentation made it sound like any other Remote Play title on the console — in all actuality, it's much, much more than that.

With the Cross-Play DLC, you'll be able to use the Vita as a controller for Media Molecule's PS3 platformer, but that's the least interesting of its functions. As you build a level in the PS3 version of the game, you'll also be able to build a corresponding level on your Vita using touch controls reminiscent of Tarsier's upcoming, Vita-based LBP. Using a surprisingly simple catalog of tools, you can connect switches and prompts between the two to create ... well, just about anything you want.

For instance, one level saw three PS3 players wondering around a circular maze inside a spaceship. As they navigated the treacherous room, the Vita player flew the ship through a side-scrolling shooter level on his own screen. Events between the two were linked: As the Vita player moved the ship side-to-side, the PS3 players' maze rotated. As the Vita player wrecked into obstacles, gravity was temporarily suspended for the other players. As the PS3 players found power-ups on the ship, the Vita player's ship was bolstered with missile and laser upgrades.

In a single-player demo, I navigated a level on the PS3 using the Vita as a controller. As I traversed the level, I unlocked "Apps" for the Vita, which I could activate with a touch and change the game: A radar app let me see hidden items, a tractor beam app allowed me to drag and drop objects around the environment, a telecommunications app let me to talk to a helpful guide.

At one point in a level, I jumped in a pipe, and popped out on my Vita's screen. I navigated the traps therein and found a bounce pad which launched me upwards - and back onto the television. It was reminiscent of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, where every dungeon and cave would kick you onto your GBA's screen. It was also similar to the gameplay experiences that the Wii U and Microsoft SmartGlass are going for.

It's worth noting: Both levels were made entirely in-game using the same tools afforded to players.

This is the second substantial DLC update LittleBigPlanet has received, and it looks just as substantial as the last. The Move Update added some neat functionality that was put to good use by the community, but the Cross-Play update might just make a bigger impact than that. It wasn't just something I've never seen in LittleBigPlanet before — it was something I've never done on a PS3 before, and arguably the coolest use of the Vita to date.

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/6/5/3066614/littlebigplanet-2-with-vita-cross-play-is-sonys-answer-to-wii-u-and

[masteratt]

Where did this dual screen play come from? Is this just MS and Sony copying Nintendo again?

I mean is it successfull in any way yet or are Sony and MS saying "they made the right bet with Wii, this dual screen is probably the right bet again so we best do it as well."? Why not innovate in your own way?...For a creative industry, creativity is dangerously lacking.

[Chris Metal]

Vita/PS3 = Wiiu



http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/6/5/3066614/littlebigplanet-2-with-vita-cross-play-is-sonys-answer-to-wii-u-and

That should of been in the conference tbh

[Segitz]

Where did this dual screen play come from? Is this just MS and Sony copying Nintendo again?

I mean is it successfull in any way yet or are Sony and MS saying "they made the right bet with Wii, this dual screen is probably the right bet again so we best do it as well."? Why not innovate in your own way?...For a creative industry, creativity is dangerously lacking.

Well, to be honest, Sony showed PSP integration (although tech demo) at E3 2006... it's nothing new for them, only that they never released this stuff, really.

[GTAce]

Yeah, like the review mirror for F1:CE which never made it out of the presentation, or the whole remoteplay stuff.

[Segitz]

There are some remote play PS3 games, though... PJMonsters, Bionic Commando Rearmed and Lair work, as well as (all?) PS1 games. Not that the latter makes much sense.

But... as history has proven (no specific person or company here), it's not who invents it first, it's the one that hypes it best that gains the reputation for having invented it.

[Gribble-Grunger]

That should of been in the conference tbh

agreed. this would have made quite a splash. certainly better than that wonderbook

[jaxmkii]

As usasual this event was fine. And as usaul suck at life gamers are pissed of at nothing...*goes back to actualy enjoying games and life in general*

[Gribble-Grunger]

As usasual this event was fine. And as usaul suck at life gamers are pissed of at nothing...*goes back to actualy enjoying games and life in general*

i actually thought the Sony conference was great. i don't know what people are moaning about... but that wonderbook could have easily been set aside for LBPK

[AC!D]

I agree. There were at least 30 games at E3 im interested in. Sure some conferences were disappointing but as a whole E3 is always amazing. It begs the question what exactly were ppl expecting at E3?

As for the wonderbook reaction are Sony not allowed to show one kid game anymore? Is E3 just for us entitled few thats only allowed guns and violence?

[Segitz]

The problem with wonderbook (imho) wasn't that it was there, but that it was going on for WAY too long.

[AC!D]

The problem with wonderbook (imho) wasn't that it was there, but that it was going on for WAY too long.

Thats fine. Other ppl didnt want it at the conference at all. Why? Its a clever idea and i know i would have loved it as a kid.

[masteratt]

E3 better got better as stuff from the floor showed up...Again, nothing we didn't know about but good showings.

Actually one thing I didn't know about: Final Fantasy nextgen demo, that to me came out of nowhere and looked good........But this is the thing, there is always a glaring negative, even if you don't want it to be. Like in FF's case, it's that FF always looks good but last few games just haven't played great or was able to create the characters we expect to fall in love with.

So I think it's the disconnection between the big guys and the gamers. If SE was talking to the gamers, they would have demod the new battle system maybe or went into bit of the story. Then ended with that CG trailer they showed to put the final dot on their statements.

I don't know, I guess as the gaming world changes, E3 should too but it doesn't. Too stale and off-note it feels overall. If I am looking forward to a game that already had a trailer and gameplay previews, then I see a bit more of it at E3, that's nothing special.


E3 used to be about saying "no-one knew about this and look how it raises the bar!". Now it's saying "well you already knew about this...But um, well here is more of it.".


It seems companies don't respect E3 anymore and don't save anything for it.

[solidsnakejej]

Yoshida on the lack of PSV titles at the conference

"I think that's our fault to not be able to meet expectations," he said. "I understand. We really tried hard this year in terms of planning the conference to make it shorter. We've been criticized and made fun of! Our marketing department said we're going to make it short and sweet, and we were really selective in terms of what to show."

"We could have focused more on new, exciting PS Vita titles," he said. "That's our fault."

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/sony-on-lack-of-vita-games-at-its-press-conference/4203/

From what I've been seeing there are still a lot of PSV titles on the show floor.

[masteratt]

Yeah, lots of good PSV stuff coming from the floor. SORRY @AC!D (http://e-mpire.com/member.php?u=19667) :p Retarded of Sony not to show it though.

And reading that made me mad. "short and sweet" and they show a fucking 30mins wonderbook demo?! Damn Sony. Fire your marketing team.


Who the hell wants it short anyway?! Where do they get their feedback from ffs. When last year we thought it was 5 hours or something crazy we were all hyped as all heck! I would LOVE a 5 hour E3 conference (or something crazy like that) if it means we are seeing more game, LIVE DEMOS, and just good content.

However if E3 continues the way it has been last 2-3 years, then even an hour is too long :p

[AC!D]

I agree with the marketing guys that the show is better shorter because the media did criticize them badly last year which carried into some crabby reviews of their show and the games. Still thats not an excuse to not show one or two more Vita games. The could have cut one or two demos shorter. Im sure their marketing guys are telling them right now that Vita must have a big showing at Gamescon. When is Gamescon by the way?

[solidsnakejej]

When is Gamescon by the way?


August 15th-19th

[masteratt]

15-19 August.

If anyone is in Germany and wants to go, open for everyone: 16-19 August.

http://www.gamescom-cologne.com/en/gamescom/home/index.php

[D3adcell]

If they want it to be short, cut out the BS talk about the past and synergy and all that shit, just talk about the games. And not games like wonderbook. Also thought God of War was a bit too long as it didn't show anything new really, showed him manipulating time sort of, but that would have worked better with a guy talking about the changes they are bringing to the series while someone was playing. They didn't have anyone talking about it at all, just playing and that wasn't very fun to watch.

[Segitz]

15-19 August.

If anyone is in Germany and wants to go, open for everyone: 16-19 August.

http://www.gamescom-cologne.com/en/gamescom/home/index.php

I might go... but it's really unlikely at the moment... I do have family over there in Cologne, so sleeping there etc. wouldn't be a problem, but... I've actually got no real interest in going.

[Gribble-Grunger]

The problem with wonderbook (imho) wasn't that it was there, but that it was going on for WAY too long.

yeah, that was my only gripe with it.

[D3adcell]

well the thing was too damn buggy and that damn door just wouldn't open with that spell she was using.

[solidsnakejej]

Sizzle reels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fEX9-LR9tg&feature=youtu.be

http://youtu.be/YVWbbOW-wqs

http://youtu.be/c69xoGMitS8

[Gribble-Grunger]

wind this back to see why you should buy LBPK

http://e3.gamespot.com/live-show/

[Chris Metal]

don't know if wonderbook went on too long, but it would of been shorter if they had 2 people who knew what they were doing instead of 1 getting it right straight off. but JK rowling and harry potter = ££/$$ for sony anyway so that was a good investment.

[Gribble-Grunger]

whoooops

[venomv]

don't know if wonderbook went on too long, but it would of been shorter if they had 2 people who knew what they were doing instead of 1 getting it right straight off. but JK rowling and harry potter = ££/$$ for sony anyway so that was a good investment.

It's almost certainly going to bring in the money, and if I were 10 years old I would jump on that, it is extremely cool for kids.

What they should have done was a trailer like MS does for Kinect, yes they are cheesy as can be because no one can seem to find decent actors for them (Sony and Nintendo included) but they could have shown just as much in less time. I can completely understand why they showed it, it was all for the investors, it just simply shouldn't have taken so long.

[Chris Metal]

Well they did show a trailer... But as you say that alone isn't enough for investors/shareholders. They want to see it being used, it just felt like it was a little underrehearsed that part of the confererence, however everything else I thought was excellent. Like ubisoft overall was great however the hosts ruined it for me.

[solidsnakejej]

I'm going to throw this in here because I love it, Giant Bomb is going to have a 3-5 hour live broadcast in 1hr 15 mins, devs going to come by, behind the scene stories, random weirdness, it's great.
http://www.giantbomb.com/chat/

[KRA]

Giant Bombcast: E3 2012 Day One (http://www.giantbomb.com/podcast/?podcast_id=315)

hmm it sounds like maybe it's the same. just not live anymore.
anyway i really enjoy their E3 bombcasts too.
weird random talks with different devs without the fakeness that is so annoying in for example press conferences or other "official" interviews.

[solidsnakejej]

Day Two is going now though about to take a break, Day One had a great David Jaffe segment.

http://www.giantbomb.com/chat/
Today, Geoff Keighley killed it with his comments on Nintendo conference and the question going forward with the Wii U.

Ed Boon having a Hawkman story. This is amazing.

[Segitz]

Yay, Geoff and Ed Boon? Gotta watch that later today.

[masteratt]

Justin stream has gone offline but I downloaded the podcast. So is the podcast the audio from the stream then? If not, where are the stream replays?

[masteratt]

http://www.twitch.tv/giantbomb/videos

[Raitei]

http://www.twitch.tv/giantbomb/videos

I didn't know they have the TNTs on there, could never really be bothered to get a premium account.

[OmniStalgic]

they have all the segments up even if they aren't Live right? I missed day 1 already and would love to see all of it...

[solidsnakejej]

Yes, every segment is up. Monday is day zero, Tuesday is Day 1 and Wednesday is day 2.
video:http://www.twitch.tv/giantbomb/videos
mp3s:http://www.giantbomb.com/podcast/

First hour with Geoff Keighley is a great watch, he does a great job breaking down Nintendo's problems.

[masteratt]

Yep, Geoff was awesome, as always. Favourite gaming journalist by far. In interviews as well he always asks the toughest and the right questions. I also find amusing the shit eating grin he has after he asks a tough question. And in discussions he gets so passionate (tells you he is a gamer at heart) but yet lets others speak.

So all around, I'm a big fan.

[solidsnakejej]

Quote of Day Three GiantBomb podcast
"I didn't want George Washington to know time travel was possible!"

2nd segment is amazing.

[Domination]

There is no way I could put MS ahead of Nintendo.

Probably anyone who does just plays shooters.

Same ol' rehashed shooters at that. Sorry, but I am not interested. It's one thing to milk a franchise, but to milk it to where there is nothing else left for the next platform is beyond mad. Don't get me wrong, if you're gonna have a sequel, then fine -- have that sequel. But, don't let that be the only reason for consumers to buy your platform even after that platformer has already been beaten to death. Nintendo may have had a lackluster E3 compared to fans, but atleast they could justify their rehashed titles with a completely new experience and style of game play. THIS is why I felt like they performed better than MS. Only a foolish fanboy would think otherwise or someone without a lot of diversity in their catelogue.

[OmniStalgic]

Halo 4 did look awesome though;0)

[Domination]

Vita/PS3 = Wiiu



http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/6/5/3066614/littlebigplanet-2-with-vita-cross-play-is-sonys-answer-to-wii-u-and

I've been tuning in on this debate for a minute now, and I must say with PS3 and Vita, Sony most definitely have MOST of the bases covered with these combination of devices (more so than Microsoft), which I'll explain later. Other than it being a standard with the platform like the U tablet, Nintendo still holds a pretty good advantage technically to Sony's combination. So Sony isn't out of the heat yet, and they probably won't be until their next system launches.

What is this advantage, you say? It's IR sensor. Unlike Sony's Vita/PS3 combo that simply 'sense' the unit, Wii U can actually <o> (see) the tablet, which is going to allow a whole new different level of play. So, unless they add something like the Move on the actual PS3 console for the Vita's back cam to see the platform, such an experience won't be had until Sony launches a new system to more thoroughly exist with the handheld.

Now Microsoft, these guys just loose altogether as a simple tablet doesn't have physical buttons to allow for basic controls for most intuitive games, let alone an IR sensor for those tablets. So basically, you have to use a 360 controller AND a tablet only for the minimum experience.
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[OmniStalgic]

yeah, exactly what I was thinking, Wii-U is still designed for this type of experience, where as it's an added bonus on Vita, that not all games will even support. Still, it'll be nice for some PSN titles to take advantage of the tech there...

[Domination]

yeah, exactly what I was thinking, Wii-U is still designed for this type of experience, where as it's an added bonus on Vita, that not all games will even support. Still, it'll be nice for some PSN titles to take advantage of the tech there...

This is why I rated Nitendo's conference so high. It might not have been what the fans wanted, but the punch was big enough to put the squeeze on their competitors for the holiday season.

[frosty]

yeah, exactly what I was thinking, Wii-U is still designed for this type of experience, where as it's an added bonus on Vita, that not all games will even support. Still, it'll be nice for some PSN titles to take advantage of the tech there...

Not even with Wii U will the experience be there for all games. Many games just use the other screen for maps/inventory (like Ninja Gaiden), and some are not compatible with being played without the TV on.


What is this advantage, you say? It's IR sensor. Unlike Sony's Vita/PS3 combo that simply 'sense' the unit, Wii U can actually <o> (see) the tablet, which is going to allow a whole new different level of play. So, unless they add something like the Move on the actual PS3 console for the Vita's back cam to see the platform, such an experience won't be had until Sony launches a new system to more thoroughly exist with the handheld.

I'm not sure what kinds of gameplay you could create with the system knowing where the handheld is, but PS Move can already see not only the vita, but you as well. And I imagine that the PS3 move bundle will be much cheaper than Wii U when it launches. Once the PSeye is able to determine where you are in the room, the Vita's built in sensors can take over. A simple calibration where you hold the vita with the screen facing the pseye is all that would be needed, it can look at the size of the screen and tell how far away it is. from there the built in gyros and accelerometers could handle the rest.

The Wii U has one IR sensor on it, and the vita one IR light that is used for TV control. There is no way to determine how far away the Wii U tablet is away from the console, as the IR light is very small (like a little LED light) and the IR sensor is nowhere near high enough resolution to be able to determine spacial data from the size of the light in the way the move controller works with pseye. That's why Move has a big globe on top instead of a little LED.

[Domination]

Not even with Wii U will the experience be there for all games. Many games just use the other screen for maps/inventory (like Ninja Gaiden), and some are not compatible with being played without the TV on.



I'm not sure what kinds of gameplay you could create with the system knowing where the handheld is, but PS Move can already see not only the vita, but you as well. And I imagine that the PS3 move bundle will be much cheaper than Wii U when it launches. Once the PSeye is able to determine where you are in the room, the Vita's built in sensors can take over. A simple calibration where you hold the vita with the screen facing the pseye is all that would be needed, it can look at the size of the screen and tell how far away it is. from there the built in gyros and accelerometers could handle the rest.

The Wii U has one IR sensor on it, and the vita one IR light that is used for TV control. There is no way to determine how far away the Wii U tablet is away from the console, as the IR light is very small (like a little LED light) and the IR sensor is nowhere near high enough resolution to be able to determine spacial data from the size of the light in the way the move controller works with pseye. That's why Move has a big globe on top instead of a little LED.

Yeah, I thought about that, but wouldn't the Vita's screen have to be facing the TV for this to work? That would mean you'd have to have your back turned towards the TV, either that or the Vita's screen, which would defeat the purpose of using the screen as you won't be able to see it. Now, if you were to only adopt the Move, then you'd have to eliminate the screen and vice-versa. So either way, one of device would have to be omited as a Vita and Move cannot be used at the sametime. The only way for the two to really co-exist is if the actual console had a position for the Vita's rear camera to track. (Move's technology). If not, it'll be difficult for the console to locate the hanheld. The handheld would have to rely exlcusively on its internal sensors, which is what the Move does but uses the sphere to calibrate its location, hence the 1:1 tracking.

[Segitz]

The Wii U has one IR sensor on it, and the vita one IR light that is used for TV control. There is no way to determine how far away the Wii U tablet is away from the console, as the IR light is very small (like a little LED light) and the IR sensor is nowhere near high enough resolution to be able to determine spacial data from the size of the light in the way the move controller works with pseye. That's why Move has a big globe on top instead of a little LED.

Distance isn't really needed, for most applications, though. Relative movement (through accelerometers and gyros) as well as pointer data should be enough. The only real advantage Move has here is, that it doesn't need to be pointed at the TV for it to be seen. Any angle works, whereas Wii and Wii U always need to be pointed towards the sensor bar, to work.

[frosty]

wouldn't the Vita's screen have to be facing the TV for this to work?

Only during calibration. From there, it could use info from the gyros/etc to tell where the vita is at any given point. flipping it around to show the eye vita's screen during calibration would simply serve as a reference point for how far away you were from the console. However, as Segitz pointed out, there are only a few applications where this would be useful. The rest of the time, the gyro/etc info from the vita/wii u controller alone is enough to accomplish what you need.

[Segitz]

The biggest problem I can see is "sensor drift". As long as the console knows where the controller is and can determine if it's moving or not, it can easily reset all calibration without any interaction of the player. But if it doesn't see it, the console doesn't know if the sensors are sending bad data. Also the sensors have an upper limit of how much you can accelerate them... so if you go beyond that limit, the sensor data isn't parallel to the actual movement anymore and those a theoretical drift between the relative and absolute movement occurs (that is a big problem in a system that is "blind").

[venomv]

The biggest problem I can see is "sensor drift". As long as the console knows where the controller is and can determine if it's moving or not, it can easily reset all calibration without any interaction of the player. But if it doesn't see it, the console doesn't know if the sensors are sending bad data. Also the sensors have an upper limit of how much you can accelerate them... so if you go beyond that limit, the sensor data isn't parallel to the actual movement anymore and those a theoretical drift between the relative and absolute movement occurs (that is a big problem in a system that is "blind").

That is me every time I have used any motion controls, on PS3 or Wii.

[Gribble-Grunger]

this is funny:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5951-E3-2012

if I post this anywhere else people will say I have an axe to grind, if I post this here then people will ask what it's got to do with PS3... so I chose the latter