XBox Emulation?

[Oggie V 2.0]

Hi, I was just wondering does anybody know any good XBox Emulators that can be downloaded and burned on to a CD?

Thanks in advance,
Oggie

[BuzzBeerII]

There is no such thing as an XBox emulator. Hell, there isn't even DC ones yet (I'm pretty sure there isn't).

[LinkinBam]

Yes there are, I D/L one before I got my cast.

[Fox]

There are DC ones. Don't know if there are any X-Box ones.

[Virtual]

There are only Dreamcast one's. There aren't any GC, PS2, or Xbox ones yet...

[Temjin]

There are DC ones that actually work?...

[Virtual]

Originally posted by Temjin
There are DC ones that actually work?...
I think the only game you can play is Sonic Adventure.

[Uhkuc]

I've seen 2 DC emus, one says it only shows the Dreamcast intro screen, the other one says it runs tech demos.

DC emulation is pointless anyways, a CD or DVD drive cannot read Dreamcast's GD-ROM, meaning you'd have to download all the games. A DC is like 20$ anyways, how cheap can you get...

There are no Xbox, PS2, or GCN emus. And since all 4 of these consoles are freakishly powerful, it will be a long time before they get emulated. They can't even get N64/PSX/Saturn emus (Saturn emus really dont even exsist yet!!!) to work perfectly yet, and people expect them to pop put emus for the next gen consoles already... heck, theres various problems with old school emus that are still being worked on.

[J00P]

dc emulators work.. and yes uhkuc you can rip a dc cd on a standard cd-rom and play in your dreamcast, I do it all the time.

there is a demo xbox emulator out where u can only play demo games just like the ps2 emulator that is out now...

if u look hard enough you just might find it :D

[Uhkuc]

You cannot rip a GD-ROM with a CD or DVD drive. Neither a CD drive nor DVD drive can read GD's. The only thing you can "rip" is that small section of CD information that contains the "Warning do not put this in a CD player" and some extra stuff like the Sonic Wallpapers on SA2, but thats it, no game infomation.

The only way you can rip Dreamcast games is if you have that hacker version of Dreamcast that you can hook up to a PC and do an information dump.

If you have burned a DC game, you have burned a game that you downloaded, you did not rip it yourself unless you have one of those Dreamcasts, in which you did NOT use your CD drive.

I've not known Zophar's Domain to lie, they have 2 DC emus which only one can even run demos, and they dont have any PS2/Xbox games. Do you have a link that proves all this information wrong?

[Virtual]

Well heres your link on how to burn DC games - http://www.neutr0n.com/index.php?content=dc

[Temjin]

My friend has a working PS2 emulator. Modified an old Playstation emulator, got a brand spanking new PC, and he was playing The Bouncer... :damm

[XX_revolution]

Yea, I got a PS40 emulator. But the official name for it is Sega Genesis Emulator.

[Uhkuc]

Originally posted by Virtual
Well heres your link on how to burn DC games - http://www.neutr0n.com/index.php?content=dc

Burn, not rip. Two different things. To burn the game you have to have the game image downloaded (from someone who has uploaded from one of those hacker DC's and have spread it all over the net). .

You cannot RIP a GD-ROM game with a CD or DVD drive. Its a GD, not a CD, or DVD, a GD, which can only be read in a GD drive, which only a Dreamcast or someone at Sega would have access to. Sheesh.


My friend has a working PS2 emulator. Modified an old Playstation emulator, got a brand spanking new PC, and he was playing The Bouncer...

You sure he wasn't pulling your leg? That doesn't even make sence. And who the hell actually plays The Bouncer? :damm


Yea, I got a PS40 emulator. But the official name for it is Sega Genesis Emulator.

Huh? :confused:

[gratedragon]

Just stick to the older emulators. I know I might sound a bit gay or whatever, but you really shouldn't be trying to rip them off so soon anyway. I'm sure there is a lot of hard work in those games, so it isn't fair to just steal them. I suppose you have NES and SNES emulators, which should work and have some great games. I don't know about Sega ones, though.

[J00P]

uhkuc, relax... you can do a lot more than what you really think; don't make yourself think you know everything, cuz from what I'm reading, you seriously don't.

[Uhkuc]

No, you dont know what your talking about.

Okay Mr Joop, tell me the magical procedure you use to RIP a Dreamcast GD-ROM? Does your CD/DVD player have the magic ability to read a media it was never designed to read?

And thats RIP a GD, not BURN a CD as that link showed.

Do you know the difference between rip and burn? That might help too.

[Virtual]

Uhkuc, you are right. So far I have searched and searched for guides on how to rip Dreamcast games with a CD Drive and no luck. The only way to get the game files are to: get them on an I-drive, find them on the Internet, and on FTP's.
Heres the guide - http://www.geocities.com/pauldavies76/

[Uhkuc]

Correct, you cannot Rip a GD using a CD Drive. CD and DVD drives cannot read GD (GigaByte Disk for those who dont know) as the same way a CD drive cannot read a DVD.

The way people rip Dreamcast games is they hacked into the Dreamcast, and hooked it up to a PC, and using special software that they designed, dumped the data into their hard drive.

So As I originally stated, the only way you can play Dreamcast Games on emulation is by downloading the games (unless you've already downloaded and burnt it to a CD, but thats NOT the original Dreamcast game since thats on a GD) You cannot play original Dreamcast GD-ROMs like other disc based emus.

Virtual (or a mod) please edit the Inaba part out.

[J00P]

what link?.. i never posted any link?..
besides.. what do i have to prove to you? = nothing, thats what!

[Uhkuc]

I was refering to the link Virtual posted

If you dont have any proof, then your information is false, its that simple.

[J00P]

ya i lied to look cool just for you :laugh

[Uhkuc]

yes uhkuc you can rip a dc cd on a standard cd-rom

Completely False. :rolleyes:

I'm not calling you a liar, but until you admit your mistake, or prove you can (which its a fact you cant), then you would be considered one.

[GCfanboy]

Originally posted by Uhkuc


Completely False. :rolleyes:

I'm not calling you a liar, but until you admit your mistake, or prove you can (which its a fact you cant), then you would be considered one. Yeah Uhkuc you're right. You can't rip it. But are people so low that they would rather d/l games this early for a system and just leech them off the internet. I mean for goodness sakes they need to at least allow it to be out for a good four years maybe......some people must be really desperate.

[Uhkuc]

Hell at Best Buy they are selling most DC games for 5$... I got Space Channel 5 for $2.49!

DLing games for Dreamcast emulation would be quite the hastle, since games like ShenMue are friggin huge (3 GDs, making it somewhere around 3.6GB w/o the passport disc (4th))

I dont think Dreamcast emus will ever get anywhere..

[BuzzBeerII]

Best Buy was selling DC games for 50% off a couple weeks ago, but I need gas money so I didn't buy any :(

[XX_revolution]

LOL..........rip DC games to a CD-ROM........LOL
Man that is funny.......LOL.........

[joop]

LOL!!!

[Uhkuc]

Joop are you laughing at yourself? ;)

[XX_revolution]

Originally posted by joop
LOL!!! :damm

[joop]

ya uhkuc i'm laughing at myself... ya... sure...

[Uhkuc]

Either that, or your laughing at nothing 0_o

BTW "Got proof?" :D

Didn't think so..

[joop]

ya the proof is all at my cousins house.. about 50 games that I've ripped for him; why would I even try to impress you, seriously though... why?

[Virtual]

And just how did you rip them?

[Uhkuc]

Originally posted by joop
ya the proof is all at my cousins house.. about 50 games that I've ripped for him; why would I even try to impress you, seriously though... why?

So your cousin has 50 LEGAL Dreamcast GD-Roms games that you MAGICALLY ripped with a CD drive?

Somehow I dont think so :)

See this is the more likely scenario:

Your cousin downloaded 50 games off the net, and burned them onto a CD, and either you burned those files too, or you copied the CDs that he had already burned.

In closure, You did NOT rip ANY GD-ROMs with a CD-ROM Drive. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. Its like saying you can get a CD drive to read DVD, which you CANT DO either.

You cannot rip a GD-ROM with a CD-ROM drive, and if you still say you can, without proof, that would make you a liar or someone who doesn't know what hes talking about. I think its the later :laugh

[Virtual]

JOOP, read this. Unless you are Utopia, then you cannot do it.

Sega Dreamcast makes 1 Gig CD-Rom games. They will not copy like a normal 650MB/74Minute CD that was used in the days of the playstation 1, still alive and kicking click here. Anyway, back to the good stuff, with the playstation copy protection, you were able to copy (backup) your personal copy of the games with a normal CD-ROM and burn it to a CD-R. Once that was completed you needed to have a Modchip installed into the unit to play the Back-up. Well that was also the case for Import CD's as well. The Dreamcast has a different problem. The games will not copy by conventional means. So a group called Utopia has figured out a way to modify the code (firmware) in a normal CD-ROM and are ripping the games from the 1 Gig format and squeezing them onto a 74 minute audio format. Then they cleverly figured out that you can manipulate the Windows CE bases Dreamcast platform to load a special BOOT DISK that loads in software into the Dreamcast to play the ripped games, which are now burnt onto a normal CD-R sometimes a 80 minute CDR. Then they got more clever and figured that is the game was small enough, you can put the BOOTDISK and the game all on one CD and making things much more simple.

taken from - http://vcsn.com/~cloned/dreamcast/

[XX_revolution]

I would like to know where he got some blank GD-ROMS.

[Virtual]

I've also found this site on how to search, find, download, and burn DC games - check it out!http://www.djmonkeyboy.com/dc/

[Uhkuc]

Originally posted by Virtual
JOOP, read this. Unless you are Utopia, then you cannot do it.

Sega Dreamcast makes 1 Gig CD-Rom games. They will not copy like a normal 650MB/74Minute CD that was used in the days of the playstation 1, still alive and kicking click here. Anyway, back to the good stuff, with the playstation copy protection, you were able to copy (backup) your personal copy of the games with a normal CD-ROM and burn it to a CD-R. Once that was completed you needed to have a Modchip installed into the unit to play the Back-up. Well that was also the case for Import CD's as well. The Dreamcast has a different problem. The games will not copy by conventional means. So a group called Utopia has figured out a way to modify the code (firmware) in a normal CD-ROM and are ripping the games from the 1 Gig format and squeezing them onto a 74 minute audio format. Then they cleverly figured out that you can manipulate the Windows CE bases Dreamcast platform to load a special BOOT DISK that loads in software into the Dreamcast to play the ripped games, which are now burnt onto a normal CD-R sometimes a 80 minute CDR. Then they got more clever and figured that is the game was small enough, you can put the BOOTDISK and the game all on one CD and making things much more simple.

taken from - http://vcsn.com/~cloned/dreamcast/

Little bit of innacuracy, Dreamcast doesn't use 1gig CD-Roms, 1gig CD-Roms do not exsist, the max you can have on CD is around 700MB.

Dreamcast uses 1.2 GB GD-ROMs (GigaByte Disc) specially created by Sega for Dreamcast use, how they get 1.2 GB into the same size of disc as CD is the same way DVDs can hold 4.7 GB and be the same size, the spaces between the groves are smaller then CD. And just like DVD, a CD laser cannot read these smaller tracks, only a custom Sega GD-ROM drive can.

I dont remember who (it might of been Utopia) made the hacked Dreamcast, but someone created a Dreamcast that you could hook to a PC, I believe originally intended as a Pirate Dev kit. However, with this "Dev Kit" you could perform ROM dumps of games.

Later on in an unrelated incident, Datel released a Demo of their Pro Action Replay in Europe in Sega of Europe's official magazine. However, this demo (like the real product) could bypass the regional check system, allowing imports and (at the time it didn't exsist) backups to be played on DC. It was then discovered, that unlike Sega of Japan and Sega of America's Magazine demos, Sega of Europe used the cheaper CD-ROM format for their magazine. Unfortunately, once the hackers learned of this, they quickly analyzed what exactly caused the CD disc to boot. Sega of Europe quickly did a recall of the magazine, but too little to late. Damage was done. Originally just spreading the demo of the ProActionReplay around, Utopia figured out the boot process from the inside out (as Virtual pointed out, I do believe it had something to do with the WinCE secondary OS), and made their own boot disc.

Now combined with the ROM dumping, and Boot discing, Sega's "perfect" antiPiracy dream became a nightmare....

Broadband was becoming more populare, along with CD-R drives, which didn't help anything...

Fortunately enough, CD-ROMs cannot hold more then 700MB of data, there for all pirated games must be under 700MB. Unfortunately, a lot of games are under this (Crazy Taxi is only a 70MB game, Soul Calibur was probably 200-300MB)

I do not think they ever have managed to pirate large games, I could be wrong.

In conclusion, due to a ironic twists of fate, Piracy become a reality on a console that otherwise would of never been possible.

BUT the fact remains:

YOU CANNOT RIP A GD-ROM WITH A CD-ROM DRIVE.

The people who did the Rom dumps used Dreamcast's GD-ROM drive, and the Dreamcast was hoooked up to a PC.

People who burn Dreamcast CD games burn the ROM dumps.

[XX_revolution]

I thought 750megs was the highest a CD went. Hell us Americans are allways the last to get things I guess.

[Uhkuc]

The higest density CDs available are 650-700MB, but I believe you can overburn them to up to 800MB.

Either way, 700-800 is the max for a CD, you can't overburn them into the Gig range...