What;s so special with x-box?

[gratedragon]

I, as well as many others are completely sick of hearing "gmecube sucks blah, blah, blah. X-box rules blah, blah, blah. If the worthless piece of plastic is so good give me reasons why. I'm not talking about meaningless numbers because I can barely see a difference graphics wise. I don't care about dvd since the theatre is cheaper, better, and if I don't care enough about the movie to see it there I can just watch it on vhs which is fine by me. Don't try to tell me about being able to communicate over the internet because WE'RE ALL ON THE INTERNET NOW MORONS, I DON'T NEED A SYSTEM THAT LETS ME GO ON IT IN SOME OTHER ROOM! For you should all see it comes down to the games. Tell me FIVE good games that will come out EXCLUSIVELY to suX-box or I shall forever proclaim you fools. Also it can't be a game similar to a gamecube game because to me that means it isn't exclusive.

[Temjin]

Heh...

1.) HALO

2.) Project EGO

3.) Project Gotham

4.) Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee

5.) Dead or Alive 3

[Wollam]

Not to mention The Matrix...

[Bladefall]

Well, the Xbox does have some impressive processing power. But I'd also have to say that the Xbox has some good games coming out.

Halo
Progect: EGO
FFX

Those are my favs..

Still, I'm goin with GCN :)

[Steban]

X-Box is releasing The Matrix? Whoa, that should be an awesome game. I still haven’t decided whether i like the X-Box or GameCube better...

[Temjin]

Bladefall:

I hope that "FFX" didn't stand for Final Fantasy 10. Because theres no chance in hell thats going to the Xbox.

[Wollam]

Well I would get the Gamecube first :)

The Matrix has potential, but most big budget movie conversions end up sucking!

[MATRIX-X]

i see more threads here stating xbox sucks then the other way.and i will not say cube sucks since it is a good system like the xbox and DC and in some ways the ps2

[gratedragon]

Please also give me what the game is about and what makes it so special.

[gratedragon]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Temjin
[B]Heh...

1.) HALO

2.) Project EGO

3.) Project Gotham

4.) Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee

5.) Dead or Alive 3

What I mean is tell me what is so special about these games that make them better then gamecube products or at least different.

[MATRIX-X]

why would i need to tell you? you dont like them dont buy them.
one example : halo FPS based on very open levels en the AI+vehicules, story plays a big part also
ist mostly a tactical shooter.
just do some research

[dragulongx]

Umm thats why we have forums. To discuss things. You don't have to get information before you go here because you can discuss it.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by gratedragon

Originally posted by Temjin
Heh...

1.) HALO

2.) Project EGO

3.) Project Gotham

4.) Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee

5.) Dead or Alive 3

What I mean is tell me what is so special about these games that make them better then gamecube products or at least different. [/B]

HALO: Its a kickass First Person Shooter with an involving single player storyline, deadly A.I.(Bungie is really working hard on the Artificial Intellegence. Read some of the HALO updates at halo.bungie.org), large variety of Human and Alien Weapons, different vehicles that can be used for both Human and Alien sides, and kickass multiplayer co-op.

IGN Xbox's HALO preview (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/15922.html)

halo.bungie.org


Project EGO: This game is really ambitious. Its an action RPG at heart, similar to Zelda, but theres so much more to it... You start off the game 15 years old, and you age throughout the whole game(get wrinkles, too). You can grow hair, work out and make your character really buff or slim(depends on what kind of work you do), grow facial hair that you can cut if it gets too long(Your choice), get a tan if you're in the sun too long, get cut and it will turn into a scar over time, if you see somebody with some clothes you want, you can knock him/her out and steal them... Just read the preview on xbox.ign.com. The game has so much potential.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Project EGO. (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16526.html)

Project Gotham: Theres really nothing too great about this game. If you enjoyed Metropolis Street Racer for the Dreamcast, then you should like this. Its basically MSR with a huge graphics upgrade. This is also one of the Xbox titles that will allow you to rip tracks from your Music CDs and put them in the game.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Project Gotham (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16195.html)

Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee: Oddworld was getting totally blasted when they announced this game would become an Xbox exclusive. I was a little upset at first too, but now... I understand why they did it. This game is beautiful... Dont judge it by those screenshots, theres so much more to it. Animations are brilliant, the clouds in the sky cast shadows on the fields... Its beautiful. Watch some of the movies. Not only are the graphics great, but it has gameplay to match it. Read the previews! Watch the movies! Anybody who gets an Xbox should own this game.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/15524.html)

Dead or Alive 3: Not too much is known about this game... Othan than the fact that its the most beautiful fighting game you could ever hope to see right now. 3 new characters have been revealed, and the gameplay is said to be tweaked a little bit so the counters will be harder to execute. Thats all thats really known about this game at this point in time. But if you enjoyed the previous DOA games, you should like this one. :)

IGN Xbox's Preview of Dead or Alive 3 (http://xbox.ign.com/news/32943.html)


There... :)

[Temjin]

Go here (http://xbox.ign.com/news/32050.html) if you want to see more Xbox previews. More Xbox games worth mentioning are:

Shrek
Enclave
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2X
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Jet Sprint MX
Air Force Delta Storm
Malice
New Legends
Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding
NFL Fever 2002
Aquanox
Gunvalkyrie
Rayman M
Artic Thunder
Medal of Honor
Unreal Championship
WWF Raw is War(Personally, I think this game will be crap. All wrestling games are... TO ME. But these kind of games sell pretty well in America. And some of you might like 'em. So...)
Blood Wake
Grand Theft Auto 3
The Matrix
Jet Grind Radio Future
Panzer Dragoon
Star Wars Starfighter: Special Edition
Nascar 2002
Project K-X
Sega GT2


Heh... "Xbox has no games"... :D

[Temjin]

Whoops. Forgot to give my impressions of Oddworld. v_v;

[Temjin]

... The hell?! Its there. Why doesn't it show up?... Bah, I'll just repost it.
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee: Oddworld was getting totally blasted when they announced this game would become an Xbox exclusive. I was a little upset at first too, but now... I understand why they did it. This game is beautiful... Dont judge it by those screenshots, theres so much more to it. Animations are brilliant, the clouds in the sky cast shadows on the fields... Its beautiful. Watch some of the movies. Not only are the graphics great, but it has gameplay to match it. Read the previews! Watch the movies! Anybody who gets an Xbox should own this game.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/15524.html)

[MATRIX-X]

THX man.

[Temjin]

Ah, no problem. :)

[gratedragon]

I still think gamecube will be better, but at least take pride in knowing you have given me some respect for X-box.

[Temjin]

Heh, I will.

I'm not going to go around trying to "convert" people like some crazy religious person. But I would like to get some GC and PS2 fans to see that the Xbox isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be. It does have some good stuff to offer.

[Temjin]

Heh... I want more replies people! :D C'mon, I spent all that time typin' up impressions of those games and links, etc and I only get like 2 replies.

[simps]

Originally posted by Temjin
More Xbox games worth mentioning are:

Shrek ---- is this what you call a mature game for a mature system?
Enclave --- dont know anthing about it :|
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2X --- dont want
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 ---probably come out on GCN somdtime
Jet Sprint MX ---sounds like a racing game (i h8 racing games)
Air Force Delta Storm ---- sounds like an airplane game (i hate **MOST** airplane fighter type games)
Malice ---- thouroughly UNIMPRESSED with what i have seen/read
New Legends --- never heard of it
Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding -- im not a fan of snowboarding games
NFL Fever 2002 ---GCN already has plenty of football goodness
Aquanox -- never heard of it
Gunvalkyrie -- looks OK.. but not something to go crazy for
Rayman M -- not my type of thing
Artic Thunder --- never heard of it
Medal of Honor --- plenty of FPS on gcn ill bet
Unreal Championship --- see above
WWF Raw is War -- well i gotta agree with you on the wrestling games sucking thing
Blood Wake -- never heard of it
Grand Theft Auto 3 -- not interested
The Matrix -- movie conversion game... usually not well done (ie has good graphics.. not so good gameplay) we'll see
Jet Grind Radio Future --- isnt this a racing game?
Panzer Dragoon --- ok so tank games are kinda cool.. but I heard a rumor that the developer may go cross platform
Star Wars Starfighter: Special Edition --- ROGUE LEADER WHOOPS DOWN!
Nascar 2002 -- racing game
Project K-X -- never heard of it
Sega GT2 --- racing game

[/B]


See.. the problem is not quantity but quality.. GT3 for PS2 is what i consider a QUALITY racing gzme.. outside of that.. everything can be one up'd so to speak

as far as games im really interested in.. sure.. lack on knowledge about these games may have deducted from my impressions.. but hear me out on this:

It is a known strategy to have like.. say a dodge dealer wants to sell cars.. they have the Viper and stuff in the showroom, becasue people want to look at it and so on..

so the graphics are the Viper.. I havent seen any Vipers in what XBOX images ive seen (trust me, i read magazine reports saying "AWESOME NEW XBOX SCREENS" and so on.. i find no viper :\ with the GCN however.. one look at rogue leader convinced me nintendo knew what they were doing.. then i research deeper.. ok they have some other good games like eternal darkness and Kameo and raven blade.. i research deeper and develop this keen interest in what gcn is producing.. not to mention their track record (2 good systems out of 3 is stil good) is pretty good and im quite unhappy with my microsoft computer products (while that has no bearing, it just kindof adds a point of dislike) then add to the initial displeasure with microsoft products and service the fact that their controller design aint so good i hear.. then add to that the fact that i dont need a DVD player or another hard drive so that's a wasted 100 bucks..

in conclusion im saying that the negatives outweigh the positive and that in order for me to even come close to buying an xbox theyll need HELLA HELLA lot more good games.. not one less quality game then nintendo.. not 2 more than nintendo.. they will need a TON because it just isnt worth the wasted money

[gratedragon]

Now I know the games, but nobody has yet told me what makes them better.

[gratedragon]

simps has an extremely good point now please, PLEASE tell me what it is about these games that make you perfer them over gamecube games and please give actual examples of why they're better such as e.g. Luigi's Mansion is too cartoony, but Shrek proves how mature X-box is. Heh, heh. I'm sorry, but it has eternally angered me that they say gamecube is going to be a kiddie game console. Games like Eternal Darkness are coming out and to many if a game is fun it's fun even if it's called Fluffy's Day at Funtown (not an actual game for any system, I hope.)

[Temjin]

Maybe I should have mentioned this in one of my earlier posts, but I'm not trying to say that these games are in any way better than the ones you see on the Gamecube. I'm just trying to show you guys that the Xbox does have some decent games, you dont have to buy the thing, but I wish you'd stop saying that it has no good games and that you hate it because of that.

And simps, read the previews for those games, man. Seems like you dont know what most of them are.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by simps
[list]
Shrek ---- is this what you call a mature game for a mature system?
Not that it matters, but... Compare the amount of kiddie games you see on the system to the titles aimed at mature audiences.............................. Right. Moving on.


See.. the problem is not quantity but quality.. GT3 for PS2 is what i consider a QUALITY racing gzme.. outside of that.. everything can be one up'd so to speak
I thought you didn't like GT3. :p There are lots of quality looking games on the Xbox as well, simps. You really should check out some of those previews, my friend. :)


so the graphics are the Viper.. I havent seen any Vipers in what XBOX images ive seen (trust me, i read magazine reports saying "AWESOME NEW XBOX SCREENS" and so on.. i find no viper :\
... Project EGO, Project Gotham, Oddworld, and HALO. Those aren't "Vipers" to you? You and approx01 are really hard to please. :D


i research deeper and develop this keen interest in what gcn is producing..
And thats what you, and a lot of other N and Sony fans need to do for the Xbox. Like I said before, I'm not forcing you to buy the damn thing, but I would like most of you to at least admit that the Xbox has a pretty awesome software lineup this fall.


the fact that their controller design aint so good i hear..
Wait until you've held the controller in your own two hands before you pass judgement. I've heard just as many positive comments about the controller as I've heard negative.

And if the American Xbox controller doesn't fit well in your hands, theres always the Japanese one. Quite a bit smaller.


then add to that the fact that i dont need a DVD player or another hard drive so that's a wasted 100 bucks..
You dont have to use the DVD player. You cant use the DVD player until you buy the remote. And there are more pros about the DVD format besides DVD movies. More space for games(I dont want to get into that whole "That extra space is useless" debate again. I dont think anybody here is entitled to say that its useless for certain developers. Just in case, the space is there). And the harddrive is great. Read this article, Inside the Xbox: The Console Hard Drive (http://xbox.ign.com/news/35862.html).

[Temjin]

Originally posted by gratedragon
simps has an extremely good point now please, PLEASE tell me what it is about these games that make you perfer them over gamecube games and please give actual examples of why they're better such as e.g. Luigi's Mansion is too cartoony, but Shrek proves how mature X-box is. Heh, heh. I'm sorry, but it has eternally angered me that they say gamecube is going to be a kiddie game console. Games like Eternal Darkness are coming out and to many if a game is fun it's fun even if it's called Fluffy's Day at Funtown (not an actual game for any system, I hope.)
That kiddie argument shouldn't anger you.... Even though it is true. But anyways, as long as the games are fun to play, it doesn't matter what audience they're aimed at. I'm 18 and I still enjoy Nintendo's games.

[Pretendo]

Well I'm not gonna dive into all these arguments, I've been doing this for months on plenty of other boards and they just go in circles, but Simps was putting Shrek in you face as Xbox fanboys always tout how Xbox won't have any "kiddie" games.

Now Nintendo does not make kiddie games. Rugrats for the N54 is a kiddie game. Mario is definatley not, it's a family game and is obviously a game enjoyed by a huge demographic. Just remeber Nintendo does not make kiddie games, it's really only their 3rd parties. Also don't forget Nintendo has made some pretty mature games, like Sin and Punishment and sponsored Rare in development of Perfect Dark, to name a few. Simply put GameCube will not be a 30-70 kiddie-to-mature game console. 40-60/50-50 sounds about perfect with exclusives such as Saffire, Resident Evil Zero, Perfect Dark Zero, Phantasy Star Online v2, Thornado, Eternal Darkness, Too Human, and many more.

[simps]

well put.. and like i pointed out earlier.. the pluses and minuses of each console are, to me, in favor of nintendo

[Bladefall]

Personally for me it all came down to games and price. I think the GCN will have better games, plus it'lll be way cheaper..

[tiny_prey]

halo is not exclusive:its goin 2 pc where broadband duzn't determine who is online.

unreal championship? just get unreal 2 for pc.

i've only seen bad reviews of the xbox controller from ppl who went 2 e3.

i kno these r just random replies, but bare wit me :)...lol.
lets keep this thread atleast slightly pleasant...lol.
actually, i'm gaining respect for xbox cuz of its games but i still see it in 3rd place wen nov. comes around. 2 many reasons why not 2 get a xbox.

[BigSky]

it will be on the pc at least a year later or so

and personally my days of upgrading my computer every 6 months are over, and I have moved away from any pc gaming cause my 500Mhz with a crappy vid card and only 64 RAM just doesn't play many games that well

so getting the xbox, or any console for that matter will be my choice of how i continue to play games

and who knows what the exact cost is to get my system up to spec to what the $300 xbox is, but it's more than $300 to upgrade the pc, i do know that much

not too mention i don't have to download drivers for every new game i get anymore, nor do I want the aggravation when I much rather just pop a game in and play on a big HDTV set with a excellent surround system

[tiny_prey]

i hav a 500Mhz as well.
of course u can't afford 2 upgrade your pc:
u alrdy hav a dvd,hdtv,broadband(ISP gots 2 cost a lot),
and your gr8 entertainment center.
u dont sound so "high-end adult" anymore

unreal 2, any1?

[neodragon]

Originally posted by tiny_prey
halo is not exclusive:its goin 2 pc where broadband duzn't determine who is online.

unreal championship? just get unreal 2 for pc.

i've only seen bad reviews of the xbox controller from ppl who went 2 e3.

i kno these r just random replies, but bare wit me :)...lol.
lets keep this thread atleast slightly pleasant...lol.
actually, i'm gaining respect for xbox cuz of its games but i still see it in 3rd place wen nov. comes around. 2 many reasons why not 2 get a xbox.

So what if Halo isn't exclusive does that mean it will suck? Besides it will look and sound better on my 36" TV with 5.1 sound, then on my PC, Unreal Championship too. With all the games coming to Xbox, there are plenty more reasons to get Xbox than GC. Don't get me wrong GC will have some great games, just not as many interest me compared to what Xbox is getting.

[gratedragon]

If the games don't interest you please tell us why. You may be suprised by some games coming to gamecube. Tell me what kinds of games you like and I'll see if I can find some GCN ones for you.

[neodragon]

RPGs mostly but Action/Adventure games are nice too!

[BigSky]

that's cause when you get into pc's it a never ending cycle of upgrades, and personally I just got sick of fussing with them to just play games on

and all the stuff I do have takes time to collect, it took like 6 months to piece together my sound system

HDTV, I have about $2500 saved up for a widescreen, but I don't need it quite yet cause XBox is still a few months away, and the prices of wide screen are dropping big time, so I am gonna try to get the best available, as I figure to have close to $4000 to spend on one when October rolls around.

And I highly recommend if you want stereo equipment, try circuit city, cause they have a 1 year policy to upgrade your components to better stuff by returning what you buy the first time and paying the difference for a new item.
For instance I upgraded my center speaker to the $450 Polk Audio model but started off with the $250 model.

[gratedragon]

I can agree that buying an x-box is better than continually upgrading your pc.

[neodragon]

Hell, a high end graphics card cost as much as these consoles. PC games are good, just not that good.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

Originally posted by Temjin


What I mean is tell me what is so special about these games that make them better then gamecube products or at least different.

HALO: Its a kickass First Person Shooter with an involving single player storyline, deadly A.I.(Bungie is really working hard on the Artificial Intellegence. Read some of the HALO updates at halo.bungie.org), large variety of Human and Alien Weapons, different vehicles that can be used for both Human and Alien sides, and kickass multiplayer co-op.

IGN Xbox's HALO preview (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/15922.html)

halo.bungie.org


Project EGO: This game is really ambitious. Its an action RPG at heart, similar to Zelda, but theres so much more to it... You start off the game 15 years old, and you age throughout the whole game(get wrinkles, too). You can grow hair, work out and make your character really buff or slim(depends on what kind of work you do), grow facial hair that you can cut if it gets too long(Your choice), get a tan if you're in the sun too long, get cut and it will turn into a scar over time, if you see somebody with some clothes you want, you can knock him/her out and steal them... Just read the preview on xbox.ign.com. The game has so much potential.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Project EGO. (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16526.html)

Project Gotham: Theres really nothing too great about this game. If you enjoyed Metropolis Street Racer for the Dreamcast, then you should like this. Its basically MSR with a huge graphics upgrade. This is also one of the Xbox titles that will allow you to rip tracks from your Music CDs and put them in the game.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Project Gotham (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/16195.html)

Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee: Oddworld was getting totally blasted when they announced this game would become an Xbox exclusive. I was a little upset at first too, but now... I understand why they did it. This game is beautiful... Dont judge it by those screenshots, theres so much more to it. Animations are brilliant, the clouds in the sky cast shadows on the fields... Its beautiful. Watch some of the movies. Not only are the graphics great, but it has gameplay to match it. Read the previews! Watch the movies! Anybody who gets an Xbox should own this game.

IGN Xbox's Preview of Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee (http://xbox.ign.com/previews/15524.html)

Dead or Alive 3: Not too much is known about this game... Othan than the fact that its the most beautiful fighting game you could ever hope to see right now. 3 new characters have been revealed, and the gameplay is said to be tweaked a little bit so the counters will be harder to execute. Thats all thats really known about this game at this point in time. But if you enjoyed the previous DOA games, you should like this one. :)

IGN Xbox's Preview of Dead or Alive 3 (http://xbox.ign.com/news/32943.html)


There... :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Hello you people. Sorry about replying to an old message but I am new to this forum stuff and I can't relate to all of page 3 because I don't know the first thing about upgrading a computer.

I hate the fact that people almost always judge game and systems by graphics. Sure it's nice to have realistic graphics in a game but graphics aren't everything. Gameplay and innovative features in a game are what really show if a game is worthy or not. If graphics were the only thing people cared about, then we might as well just have Pac Man and Tetris with updated graphics. Who cares if those games are so old, they have killer graphics now. That is almost like how people judge games in real life, weird. Those would be the best selling games if that was the case but it isn't.

Over the years, games have become more realistic both graphic wise and gameplay wise. The more realistic something looks and performs is a big asset for a game to have. Now with the next gen systems: DC, GC, Xbox, and PS2, gaming is better than ever. If you have seen the demo of Metal Gear Solid 2, then you know what I am trying to get at. It has killa graphics and everything is done so perfectly that you almost feel like it is real.

Now enough of that, since it's going nowhere, and on to why Xbox isn't so great. Every next gen system has already proven itself, graphic wise, but with only DC and PS2 out it's kind of hard to really know what you are saving your money for. While there are plenty of pictures of games that are coming out for GC and Xbox, until you can grab a controller and play the game then you don't know half of what there is to know about it(even if you have all the info there is to know about it). So until then you can't just start saying, "Xbox rules, all other systems suck."

As for the 5 games that were mentioned in the original message, I will explain why those weren't good examples.

Halo - Never heard of it so I won't go there.
Project EGO - Same as above
Project Gotham - While the graphics are a little better than MSR for the DC, it has nothing else to offer. I don't think that being able to rip songs off music CDs to use in the game is innovative or useful. Using music CDs while playing a game has been around since PS1. I could turn the volume of my tv all the way down and listen to my stereo if I wanted to. Burning tracks off of CDs is only a waste of your hard drive space and a waste of time. Also GT3 is a better game.
Oddworld - I have nothing against this game, but the problem is that this game could have been done on the PS2. It was originally suppose to be on the PS2 but it was then accounced to be a Xbox exclusive. The creator of the game, I forget what his name is, sayed that he could not make the game on the PS2 was too vast of a project to make on the PS2. Here is my personal opinion; he got bought out.
Dead or Alive 3 - I have nothing against this game either. DOA2/DOA2 Hardcore is the best fighting game ever made. As for DOA3, it looks like it could have been made on the DC and that there is nothing majorly new.

The only thing that I have heard about the Xbox that no other system has done is the massive hard drive. Everything else about the system has already been done on other systems.

As for what I think, I have to say that the DC is the most innovative systems so far. It was the first system to start online gaming
as a core part of the system. You can download games on to a VMU or download addons to other games (Sonic Adventure) on your VMU, this is an aspect of the Xbox hard drive but since DC did it first it doesn't make Xbox any better than it is. With Dreamcall you can call any DC user in the nation for only the cost of connecting to the web. Also all the great/innovative games that have come out: PSO, Grandia 2, Seaman, DOA2, RE:CV, and Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 to name a few. I will never include Crazy Taxi in a list of my favorite games because there is nothing innovative about the game. I hate the fact that it's one of the best selling games for the DC and they are making it for other systems. That game's popularity is why the DC has flopped.

Since I have been contradicting myself so many times and since this is so long I will wrap this up now. I won't really make a final decision of what system I think is better until I get a chance to play them. So people need to stop talking about how a system has better graphics so the system is better and start to look at how innovative the games and the next gen system itself are over the last gen systems and their games.

I wrote all this because I hate Bill Gates and I think that the Xbox will flop. Microsoft sucks and that's a fact. I won't say that Xbox will, but with Windows 98 and WebTv and how those two things work like crap it makes me wonder. I own a WebTv if you were wondering.

Microsoft says, "We're not worthy. We're not worthy."
Retailers say, "That's right, you're not worthy."

If you have a different opinion about what I said or you want to add your 2 cents, then reply to this message. I would like to start an argument with someone. I have done a lot of research about each next gen system coming out so I have plenty of info to back up what I say, whether it's from EGM or websites.

Just for the fun of it, I will leave you with a link to an article that I found on VGF.com. Bye, sorry about the long and pointless message.*It's 8:31 AM and I haven't slept so that's why this is all disorginized and misspelled and full of grammar errors and this and that and coconuts.

<a href="http://ps.vgf.com/news/2001/soxbfi.htm">Click here to read about the future of the Xbox</a>

[Temjin]

Ugh, this is gonna take awhile...


Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki8
I hate the fact that people almost always judge game and systems by graphics. Sure it's nice to have realistic graphics in a game but graphics aren't everything. Gameplay and innovative features in a game are what really show if a game is worthy or not. If graphics were the only thing people cared about, then we might as well just have Pac Man and Tetris with updated graphics. Who cares if those games are so old, they have killer graphics now. That is almost like how people judge games in real life, weird. Those would be the best selling games if that was the case but it isn't.
Hm... Better graphics/features = Better gameplay experiences. Most Xbox fans keep pointing out the Xbox's superior hardware because of that. Me too.


So until then you can't just start saying, "Xbox rules, all other systems suck."
I dont think any of the Xbox supporters said anything like that in this thread, so... Beh.


As for the 5 games that were mentioned in the original message, I will explain why those weren't good examples.

Halo - Never heard of it so I won't go there.
Project EGO - Same as above
Two of the most anticipated titles for the Xbox, and you know nothing about them... Thats why I posted links to previews for these games, Ryo-Oki8. :)


Project Gotham - While the graphics are a little better than MSR for the DC, it has nothing else to offer. I don't think that being able to rip songs off music CDs to use in the game is innovative or useful. Using music CDs while playing a game has been around since PS1. I could turn the volume of my tv all the way down and listen to my stereo if I wanted to. Burning tracks off of CDs is only a waste of your hard drive space and a waste of time. Also GT3 is a better game.
Its still a good game, though.

And ripping CDs isn't anything too special. But it is a pretty neat feature. Something that the GC and PS2 have yet to do.


Oddworld - I have nothing against this game, but the problem is that this game could have been done on the PS2. It was originally suppose to be on the PS2 but it was then accounced to be a Xbox exclusive. The creator of the game, I forget what his name is, sayed that he could not make the game on the PS2 was too vast of a project to make on the PS2. Here is my personal opinion; he got bought out.
It could have been done on the PS2, but the thing is, they didn't have the time, or money to get it finished. Sony didn't help them, so when MS gve them an offer, they excepted. If I was in Lanning's shoes I would've done the same thing. MS is giving them the support they needed. If they had stayed with Sony, they would've a.) Went bankrupt. or b.) Took extra long to finish Oddworld for the PS2 and then went bankrupt. :p




Since I have been contradicting myself so many times and since this is so long I will wrap this up now. I won't really make a final decision of what system I think is better until I get a chance to play them. So people need to stop talking about how a system has better graphics so the system is better and start to look at how innovative the games and the next gen system itself are over the last gen systems and their games.
Thank you. More people should be like you.


I wrote all this because I hate Bill Gates
Bill Gates has nothing to do with the Xbox. Hes not even doing advertisements anymore. :p


and I think that the Xbox will flop. Microsoft sucks and that's a fact. I won't say that Xbox will, but with Windows 98 and WebTv and how those two things work like crap it makes me wonder. I own a WebTv if you were wondering.
Wow, you really do contradict yourself a lot. :D

[MATRIX-X]

thx for that pot shot article from sony REALLY shows there fear.
and since you havent played DOA3 or PGR i thing you dont know what they 'add'.
and PGR a little better graphics?wow that really shows your arrogance.

[simps]

Originally posted by MATRIX-X
thx for that pot shot article from sony REALLY shows there fear.
and since you havent played DOA3 or PGR i thing you dont know what they 'add'.
and PGR a little better graphics?wow that really shows your arrogance.

i presume you have played doa3 or pgr?


on a completely unrelated note.. is it a coincidence that neodragon and gratedragon both have dragon in their name?? perhaps they could explain..,..?

[MATRIX-X]

that was the point stimps duh.

[gratedragon]

I have dragon in my name cause dragons are big and firebreathing, so I figured a "grate" dragon would be even better. As for Neodragon I have no idea.

[cube4life]

I still think xbox will be in third place or tied in second with gamecube.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

I would like to thank Temjin and Matrix X for responding to my message. I am now so mad, jk. Until I got the message from Temjin, I had never paid attention to the reviews of those Xbox games(except for Project Gotham). Mostly I get my info from EGM so if something hasn't been printed in a EGM then I won't know about it. I made my comment without looking too extensively at the reviews posted because I thought that I knew everything. After Temjin replied, I read the Halo and Project EGO reviews. Halo is nothing major but Project EGO is what really changed my opinion about the Xbox. Starting with a normal character and changing a character's personality, looks, mindset, and how much the people in a game respect a character by the actions you take in the game is something more like what I want to see from all games. It's also cool that you can steal clothes from people, even though that would make your character turn to a evil life. Also the graphics are tight, especially when you take into account that the graphics in the game are going to be updated 100% before it's release.

As for what Matrix X said about PGR and DOA3, I don't know what PGR is and I told you that DOA2 is the best fighting game ever made. I own DOA2 for the DC and the graphics and the gameplay are so wicked. The only problem with it is that the game grows old so quickly. After 2 days you will put the game away and only go back to it occasionally. DOA3 is probably going to be nearly the same as DOA2 but with a little more kick a$$ characters and stages. Besides DOA3 will probably be made for other systems after a couple of months. DOA2 was a DC exclusive game but since the DC wasn't as popular in Japan Tecmo made a version for the PS2. DOA2 for the DC was released only in America and DOA2 Hardcore for the PS2 was released only in Japan but was then released in America during the PS2 launch. Also something to note, DOA2 for the DC came out first but both DOA2 and DOA2 Hardcore where released on the same month but in different nations. So that shows how likely DOA3 will be made for other systems other than the Xbox.

As for Bill Gates, Xbox is made by Microsoft so no matter what Bill has some part in the making of the Xbox. He sucks at advertising too. Has anyone seen the Japanese ad where Bill Gates is holding a burger in one hand and a Xbox controller in the other. Talk about being creative.

Well, I still hate Bill Gates but the Xbox does have a lot of potential for success. Now I am really confused about what new system to get.

Now time to get off the subject. Temjin next time you write my name in a message, please spell it correctly. Thank you.

Innovation of the day! The DC was the first system geared at being developer friendly. If you have gone to dcemulation.com then you would have seen how developer friendly it is. When normal game fanatics can make games and emulators for the DC with no special software, that is what is amazing. DreamSNES is the best emulator that has been made. It's a little slow but to be able to play SNES games on your DC is so awesome.

That's all I have to say for right now. Hope to hear from you guys. Bye.

P.S. I can't type hyphens Matrix X so don't point that out. I hate WebTv. Alien

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki8
As for Bill Gates, Xbox is made by Microsoft so no matter what Bill has some part in the making of the Xbox. He sucks at advertising too. Has anyone seen the Japanese ad where Bill Gates is holding a burger in one hand and a Xbox controller in the other. Talk about being creative.
He approved it... Thats about it. O_o; The real person behind the Xbox is Seamus Blackley. Pretty cool guy... Little crazy... But aren't we all in our own little way? :)

Ugh... Dont mention that advertisement ever again... NEVER EVER!!!


Now time to get off the subject. Temjin next time you write my name in a message, please spell it correctly. Thank you.
... I forgot the "h".... Picky, picky. :p

[neodragon]

Ryo-Ohki8 -Just some info-

The reason I turned on Nintendo is there lack of RPGs for the N64. Now I know I can't tell the future but Xbox already has 13 RPGs (per gorillax.com) in developement and GC has 0 (per IGN).

Also the developers for DOA3 said that they graphically can't port the game to other consoles because they don't want to downgrade it. Also it's running at 180 frames per second. Need some links let me know. I don't care much for fighting games so I'll not buy it any way-maybe rent it.

Elder Scrolls III: The Morrwind is another game you may want to check out!

http://www.elderscrolls.com/main.htm

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/previews/0,10869,2779452,00.html

[Ryo-Ohki8]

Just because I don't like Microsoft doesn't mean that I am a big Nintendo nut either. My favorite system is the Dreamcast. I know this is a GameCube site and that the GameCube is the main focus of this. I only go to this site because I am curious about what Nintendo plans on doing with the GameCube. I mainly go to sites that are about the Dreamcast. I think that N64 did have alot of potential but the games weren't there. In the beginning there were tons of great games, but as time past the number of good games to bad games was on the downfall. There hasn't been many good N64 games over the past 2 years. But that is not what I wanted to bring up.

I do agree that the lack of RPGs for the N64 was the reason why I have never been a big Nintendo nut. When FF7 came out for the PS1, that was when I became a PS fanatic. Then the DC came out and blew the PS1 out of the water. But enough about that.

One thing is that your numbers are wrong, neodragon. There are actually two RPGs that are in development for the GC. The first one is, of course, the new Zelda game for the GC. The second is being produced by Rare and is called Kameo: Elements Of Powers. I don't know much about it except for the fact that it is a RPG. Those are the only two that I have heard of so far. If anyone else has heard of more RPGs coming out for the GC, then reply to this message. Also I would like some links for DOA3. I looked at xbox.ign.com and they didn't have much there about DOA3.

Well, on good thing about this is that I am learning more about the Xbox and I am becoming more interested with the more info that I have read in these forums. I am going to go to sleep now. Bye.

P.S. If you have heard The Knights Who Say "Ni" when you went to read the messages and are upset, then I have to say sorry. I put the wav in my sig so now when you load a page with a message from me then you have to listen to the sound. I will take it off if you guys don't want to hear it. Gotta go.Alien

[gratedragon]

Sega I believe is a great company, but they unfortunately were always crushed somehow. Now though they are helping gamecube and GBA so they will soon be even better. Also I am sure that GCN will have rpg's so still don't count them out. Also from what I've seen on X-box leaves me disappointed every time. Some games look great, but some look like slightly improved N64 games. On the other hand Nintendo has games that go from great to better, and besides 13 rpg's now does not mean they will all be good or if they will keep coming.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

Originally posted by gratedragon
Sega I believe is a great company, but they unfortunately were always crushed somehow. Now though they are helping gamecube and GBA so they will soon be even better. Also I am sure that GCN will have rpg's so still don't count them out. Also from what I've seen on X-box leaves me disappointed every time. Some games look great, but some look like slightly improved N64 games. On the other hand Nintendo has games that go from great to better, and besides 13 rpg's now does not mean they will all be good or if they will keep coming.

Rock on, man!Alien

[DGF-mofo]

I would like to mention that Sonic Team is making an rpg for GCN it's Phantasy Star Online ver.2 the first one kicked @$$ on Dreamcast and had me missng school just so I could play it I was addicted to it. So now thats 3 rpg's for the Cube lets see if anyone knows of anymore.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by neodragon
Also the developers for DOA3 said that they graphically can't port the game
The DOA3 that they plan on doing on final XDKs, anyways. The current build that was shown at the Tokyo Game Show and E3 was impressive, but still possible on other systems like the Gamecube. Tecmo stated it'll look much better when its done.


Also it's running at 180 frames per second.
Correction: When they ported Dead or Alive 2: Hardcore for the Playstation 2 over to the Xbox, it was running at 180fps. Dead or Alive 3 wasn't.

[MATRIX-X]

new movies of DOA3 @ E3.

http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010705update/doa1.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=P&object_id=16249&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dxbox%26adchannel%3Dxb ox%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=27&media_name=DoA+E3+Trailer+Part+1


http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010705update/doa2.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=P&object_id=16249&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dxbox%26adchannel%3Dxb ox%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=27&media_name=DoA+E3+Trailer+Part+2


http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010705update/doa3.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=P&object_id=16249&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dxbox%26adchannel%3Dxb ox%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=27&media_name=DoA+E3+Trailer+Part+3

http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=512&height=384&media=http://xboxmovies.ign.com/media/news/video/japanese/010705update/doa4.mov&media_src=embed&media_type=P&object_id=16249&adtag=network%3Dign%26site%3Dxbox%26adchannel%3Dxb ox%26pagetype%3Darticle&ign_section=27&media_name=DoA+E3+Trailer+Part+4


motion blur
http://xboxmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/doa3/bg06.jpg

[dragulongx]

I don't really want anybody to reply to this but I think that DOA3 could be done somehow on the GCN. Also Ryo Ohki 8 I hope you become a GCN fan. Sorry X-Box fanboys.

[gratedragon]

It may not look as great, but other great fighting games could come along, and for many SSBM is all they need.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by dragulongx
I don't really want anybody to reply to this but I think that DOA3 could be done somehow on the GCN. Also Ryo Ohki 8 I hope you become a GCN fan. Sorry X-Box fanboys.
Hmm...


Originally posted by neodragon
Also the developers for DOA3 said that they graphically can't port the game

Originally posted by Temjin
The DOA3 that they plan on doing on final XDKs, anyways. The current build that was shown at the Tokyo Game Show and E3 was impressive, but still possible on other systems like the Gamecube. Tecmo stated it'll look much better when its done.

Just wait and see what it looks like when its done. :)

[gratedragon]

I suddenly realized they might be able to port it if they degrade the graphics a little. This shouldn't hurt it if it is fun to play, otherwise it wouldn't be worth getting in the first place.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by gratedragon
I suddenly realized they might be able to port it if they degrade the graphics a little. This shouldn't hurt it if it is fun to play, otherwise it wouldn't be worth getting in the first place.
o_o; Not saying that its impossible... But when did developers start downgrading games for ports to other consoles?

[gratedragon]

Who cares? If it sells it will be done. Anyway there is still plenty of other fighting games that may come to GCN, so it doesn't matter anyway.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

I don't have much to say this much so don't expect a huge essay. Everyone can cheer now. I think that DOA3 could be ported with the graphics it has now. The graphics on the current build is almost identical to the graphics on DOA2 for the DC . As for the PS2 version of DOA2, that was an almost (80% or a little higher) direct port of the DC version so they didn't use the PS2 hardware that well. The thing that they would need to drop is the framerate. Only the Xbox runs at a higher speed than 60fps so that is the major concern if DOA3 will ever be ported to another system. Besides, if you have ever seen screenshots from Virtua Fighter 4 then you would know that the graphics aren't the thing to worry about. Virtua Fighter 4 has sweeter graphics than DOA3 so they don't need to downgrade the graphics on DOA3, just the framerate.

I didn't think about it and that I wasn't really sure that it would be for the GC, but I just bought the newest Nintendo Power and it is certain that there will be a version of Phantasy Star Online that will be made for the GC. That game alone will make me want to buy the GC. I own the DC version of PSO and it is so killa. The graphics are sweet, it has addictive gameplay, and the features of the game shine when you go online. No real story though. Offline the features don't matter. Look for Misaki when you go online. Customizing symbols is so cool. I mostly go to the second ship(I think it's Ariel) and in the first lobby that's not full. Also being able to find out when you pals(if you have that person's guild card) are online and being able to talk with them from different rooms is cool. You can also instantly transport to the room that a person is in too. The thing that I wonder is that will there be a way that GC gamers and DC gamers can play together online, that would be in the words of Little Nicky "fu@%in' awesome."

Also I found another RPG that is being made for the GC, it's called Raven Blade. There is no info about what the game is about, but Nintendo Power does have so tight screenshots. The screenshots make the game look like another Soul Reaver(but with sweeter graphics than even the DC version of Soul Reaver), I think that's the name of the game that I am trying to relate this to.

So that's four RPGs that are going to be on the GC. At least three of the four are guaranteed(by me) to be good. Raven Balde being the one that I am excluding(even though it looks like it will the game that will have the best graphics of all GC games coming out). Almost the number of RPGs that have been on the N64 (I think that there have been 5 but it may be only 4).

I lied about not making a long message. Sorry.

I hope to meet you online, DGFmofo. i was never that addicted. I had some sleepless nights though. I would sleep during school and play PSO at night. Gotta go.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

Again I wasn't thinking. I just found these pics of Raven Blade at cube.ign.com. Even though Raven Blade was first mentioned in Nintendo Power on this newest issue, I found these pics in an article dated May 27th. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the pics. Gotta go.

http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/e32001/ravenblade1.jpg http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/e32001/ravenblade2.jpg http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/e32001/ravenblade4.jpg

[simps]

hehe yeah raven blade could be a huge sleeper hit

about PSOv2: I may buy that.. it all depends on how nintendo works with their online strategy.. ie pay to play per month or just a flat downpayment.. im hoping that it's either free like PSO or the second option.. we shall see..

another rpg that is looking like it's headed to GCN is the new dragon warrior.. while a ways off, it is still dragon warrior

[MATRIX-X]

look at pics of doa2 ;doa3 does look better the enviroment are much more detailed and alot larger.
and still unfinished non final hardware.

[DGF-mofo]

Well Rio8 i don't rember how to spell your name. I don't play PSO that much anymore my Juno account stoped working u said u have webtv I have that to it does suck I was wonderin if u could use there isp on the dreamcast if so tell me how so I can play PSO again my name was Darthmofo.

[Ryo-Ohki8]

Even though the backrounds might be more detailed and bigger on DOA3, you have to admit that the character designs are almost exactly like the ones from DOA2. Even if DOA3 is only an updated version of DOA2, I am sure that it will still be a kick a$$ game.

Here is one more reason to hate WebTv; you can't use WebTv ISPs for your DC. I checked this out when I first got my WebTv and the answer for that question was no. Stupid WebTv. I don't really know how to help you out with your problem, DGFmofo. I tried a lot of free ISPs, but all the ones that I have tried either shutdown or became fee ISPs. Right now I am going through my second free trial of SegaNet. I have NFL2K1 and it comes with one free trial of SegaNet per console. After my first trial ended, I went into a deep depression and then a few months later I used my friend's Dreamcast to get a second free trial and I'm happy again. When that trial ends, I will go through another one of my friends to get another free trial. Luckly my friends don't have any online games. I have 4 online games, including Chu Chu Rocket. Sorry that I couldn't help you out with your problem.

I don't really know whether Raven Blade will be good or not but the graphics are so wicked. As for PSO, if they do exactly like what they did for the DC version then I will buy it(even though I will probably get v.2 for the DC anyway).

DGFmofo, please check out my IRC. I need some new people and since you have a WebTV then I thought maybe you could help me out. The address is http://www.geocities.com/crevisvii/flight2.html. This is only compatible for the WebTv so if a PC user trys to go in then you will see my alerts but nothing will appear on the screen. Thanx in advance. Gotta go.

[MATRIX-X]

the caracters are anime how much better can you make anime caracters? the are rounded as hell and have much higher res textures.and backgrounds are also takes a hit on preformance,oh 'only the backgrounds look better' that is weak since backgrounds are a huge thing in fighting games

[DGF-mofo]

Ryo-Oki8 is the chat thing run trough talkcity cause if it is they wont let me on cause my name I tried before I had to use my moms name. All i know is this Webtv sucks besides the wireless keyboard.

[gratedragon]

The graphics may be better on the x-box's DOA3, but I think that SSBM is better. This is because instead of simply fighting characters in matches, though it is still fun, you take characters from many popular games and have them fight each other. Hate jigglypuff or pikachu, take out Link and bash the sense out of them. Also the fast pace of the extremely excellent multiplayer version makes it extremely fun even for replay.

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by gratedragon
The graphics may be better on the x-box's DOA3, but I think that SSBM is better. This is because instead of simply fighting characters in matches, though it is still fun, you take characters from many popular games and have them fight each other. Hate jigglypuff or pikachu, take out Link and bash the sense out of them. Also the fast pace of the extremely excellent multiplayer version makes it extremely fun even for replay.
SSB was so freakn' revolutionary!
-items
-4players at once
-and most noticeable...the stages are very interactive!
in SSBM...they're even more so!
-atleast 2 stages hav car(s) that come around and boot your @$$
-moving parts/platforms
-samus's stage (like others) hav parts that you can hit...in this case...it makes the stage split in 2!

so yea...SSB/SSBM ROCK!!!

[gratedragon]

See? I told you a lot of people like SSB better than most other fighters.

[MATRIX-X]

ssmb is more a party game.
not really the same thing

[MATRIX-X]

oh and raven blade is prerenderd

http://cube.ign.com/news/36517.html

[Temjin]

I enjoyed SSB, but I liked Power Stone 2 a lot more... I still play it with my friends. Its great for parties.

[gratedragon]

Never played power stone 2, but it is kind of pointless in this conversation unless it is coming to x-box. Besides, SSBM is sure to greatly improve on the original.

[Temjin]

You haven't? Its a great game. One of the DC's best. Its like SSB, but a lot more interactive and tons of items you can use(121 to be exact).

... And no, a PS game isn't coming out for the Xbox. But it could, seeing as how the control setup for the Xbox is pretty similar to the DC's.

[gratedragon]

Well in my opinion SSBM will still be the best new fighter on the next-generation consoles. At least of the ones announced so far.

[johnnyBgood]

of course it will be :) SSB was the best fighter of it's time. almost evryone agrees with that. It's just a great game(s).

[gratedragon]

Well I for one am sick of this thread so lets just go elsewhere to talk about stuff since it has gotten off topic to something pointless.