CRAP GAMECUBE

[gamecube guy]

the gamecube was a big mastake no dvd no dvd i mean no dvd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it now on my name is the XBOX DUDE!!!!

Aside from the rather stupid post above me, this thread has became a center for somewhat intelligent misc chat on the next-gen console wars

[pathetic board]

eee just 1 thing all consoel are made from pc part

dreamcst was powered by windows and damn was it a good console

Gamecube is powered by macintosh parts

xbox powered by intel/pc parts

ps2 some other crap that no one wants

so man your fucking taking shit

[STG_Mastaz]

PS2 that no one wants that sold over a 12 Million system.


"Have we sol our balls to the Devil?"

[Inferno]

You guys can say all you want in about 1-1/2 year X-box will just be an answer to a trivia question, So keep talking smack it will just be me more satisfing for me when the X-box fails

[pathetic board]

thats after everyone discovered that its the biggest shit and their stuck with it


lol 4meg video stream haha

[pathetic board]

damn going back to my forum to much shit here and to much fanboys that dont want to listen


cya 8 years old kids

[dragulongx]

What was I thinking about when I said a lot of crap about
X-Box? I should just return to saying why I like GC better than X-Box with facts or oppinions I have instead of saying X-Box sucks, and swearing about it. Again I really don't hate the X-Box. I just said it sucks because people said GC sucks and it was fun but how immature I was, sorry about that. Also X-Box fans you'll be happy to hear that I do have some good things to say about X-Box.

-controller pad will be compatible with all games unlike pc

-PSX started with a $300 price tag, but with X-Box you get more in the system

-according to a lot of people the controller sucks but hey it should feel better than a keyboard or a mouse

-we'll probably see games that PC games should have been like

-you don't have to worry about buying a controller that feels better than a keyboard or mouse

-you can rent and try out the games before buying unlike the PC

There you have it I said some good things about X-Box but that doesn't mean I'm going to go with the system or buy it. I'm still getting a GC. Also GC fans Heero is right we need to stop this crap. That includes you X-Box fans too.

[Cube Gamer]

Why are so many people concerned with DVD drives in their console systems?? The thing is supposed to play games not DVD's.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Cube Gamer
Why are so many people concerned with DVD drives in their console systems?? The thing is supposed to play games not DVD's.
More memory for games... :)

1.5GB is good... But the more, the merrier, ya know? ^_^;

[imported_Unreal]

Originally posted by Bryanator69
Actually Xbox is a big mistake ;) I already have a PC ya know.

http://i17.yimg.com/17/d57d1e32/g/26824f31.gif

Why is the xbox a PC?

If you look at a Gamecube, all it has is a new ATI graphics chip and a PowerPC w/ a custom DVD drive (thus a simplified Mac) and the new T-SRAM The PS2 is just a customized MIPS CPU w/ a DVD drive and a bunch of crap RDRAM. Sony pushing the PS2 as a extensible PC (see HD add-on, Realplayer, Linux, BBA) is proof of what kind of trojan horses they are

Doesn't that mean that every concole is a PC?

[Edited by Unreal on 06-18-2001 at 07:58 AM]

[gamecube guy]

oh it's true it's dam true!!

[dragulongx]

Temjin, Nintendo said something about that if the GC had software the size of a regular DVD it would be a waste of space to most developers and something about expansion in the system. I think that the system will have something inside it that works like a expansion pak.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by dragulongx
Temjin, Nintendo said something about that if the GC had software the size of a regular DVD it would be a waste of space to most developers and something about expansion in the system. I think that the system will have something inside it that works like a expansion pak.
... Heh. It would be a waste of space for them, more like it. Thats not right... Speaking for the majority of developers like that. :p

But still, if the space is needed, its there on the PS2 and Xbox. But 1.5GB is fine for Nintendo.

[Pretendo]

The space is there for the lazy developers, who can't write up compression algorythms, do real time cutscenes, or emulate a MPEG 4 decoder.

Factor 5 has only filled up about 210MB's (I'm not sure of the exact number) for Rogue Leader. Next DC's GDROMS were 1GB in total. Yet how many 2 disc DC games have you seen? Very few. GCN has 1.56 GB's worth of space, just under 3 regular CDROMS, well enough space for a good developer. Also DVD's can be multi-layered, double sided, and if nessecary purged onto multiple discs. It's nothing big and those 8cm MDVD's are pretty interesting, not to mention small. Go open your CD/DVDROM drive and the inner rim is designed for a 8cm mini-disc. Small isn't it?

[Wollam]

I would rather it didn't include a DVD, i am prob gonna get an PS2 if the price drops some more, and two DVD's would be a huge waste of money! Imageine tech freaks (like I would be if I had more cash) that have a DVD player and all three consoles!

I belive 1.5 gig is easily enough to hold an etire game, hell, look what Nintendo managed to fit on carts! (Zelda ect) The only way you could fill up a DVD is with a mivie and music, but as was mentioned above, the developer would be too lazy to compress it! Compression is now at a rate that you can fit an entire DVD movie onto a single CD, with very little quality loss.

In the end though, are we buying our machines to watch movies or play games?

[Temjin]

v.v;

I still say the more the merrier. ^_^;

Just in case, ya know?... Oh yeah, I believe the Mini-DVDs cost more to produce than a normal DVD. Oo;

[AAA]

i personaly could give a damn if there was a DVD player. I mean, I'm just fine w/a VCR :) Plus, I don't buy or rent movies/DVDs much at all, so it would just be wasting space in the system to me :)

[AAA]

also (correct me if i'm wrong) I heard the DVD players in these systems have poor quality... um, stuff. It isn't as clear as reg. DVDs, or even VHS tapes.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by AAA
i personaly could give a damn if there was a DVD player. I mean, I'm just fine w/a VCR :) Plus, I don't buy or rent movies/DVDs much at all, so it would just be wasting space in the system to me :)
Well, in the end its good to have the space than not have it at all. For just in case situations. ^_^;


also (correct me if i'm wrong) I heard the DVD players in these systems have poor quality... um, stuff. It isn't as clear as reg. DVDs, or even VHS tapes.
... The Playstation 2's DVD player isn't the best, but its nowhere near VHS quality. Where'd you hear that from? o_o;

The Xbox will be using a Progressive Scan DVD player, with more features than the PS2's.

[dragulongx]

Originally posted by Temjin
v.v;

I still say the more the merrier. ^_^;

Just in case, ya know?... Oh yeah, I believe the Mini-DVDs cost more to produce than a normal DVD. Oo;


No they don't thats why Nintendo is using Mini-DVD.

[Temjin]

I'm pretty darn sure they cost more... But I'll check up on that just to be sure.

[dragulongx]

You'll see I'm right.

[MATRIX-X]

its a progessive scan dvd player store price : 400 bucks
mini-dvd are not cheaper to make lets say there about even why?
there are extra costs in using non standard-dvd's extra tools have to be made.for the normal dvd's they are already mass made so difference in price is neglectible.they use them as anti-piracy protection.

[Pretendo]

GCN's MDVD's are dfeinately gonna be cheaper to manufacture.

#1 GCN's MDVD media is 4CM smaller in diameter than XB/PS2's, also the inner rim is a little larger, which also reduces the use of platic.

#2 The anodized alluminum (read surface) has to be sterilized and produced, GCN's MDVD's use far less than their standard DVD counterparts.

So far not much information has been released on XB's software medium aside from it being housed on a standard DVD. If they go with a system like Sony has (colored discs) or like Sega (encrypted inner-rim) that will drive up costs.

GCN's software medium also has a inner rim like Sega's GDROM's. Factor in the lower cost of materials to produce the discs, GCN pulls ahead of the pack with lower costs per disc. And as you've seen Nintendo has set the standard software MSRP at $49.99-the same as Sony.

[Pretendo]

Also I already have 3 DVD players in my humble abode. DVDROM for my PC, a standalone, and my PS2 why should I have to shell extra money for a 4th?

[MATRIX-X]

are you still raving on the exta cost for the dvd-player? you dont pay for that!


"You buy the DVD package for $29, and that enables DVD movie playback," Bach explained. "The reason we did that is because for those of you who follow the DVD market, there's actually cost in including that in the box, and we didn't want everybody who bought the Xbox, which is a game device, to pay that cost. So it's only for about 10 or 15 percent of the people who we think are going to want to play DVD movies on the box."


they use the dvd for its capacity and to lower the cost by using standard tools.like i said there wont be a major price difference when mass produced.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by MATRIX-X
are you still raving on the exta cost for the dvd-player? you dont pay for that!


"You buy the DVD package for $29, and that enables DVD movie playback," Bach explained. "The reason we did that is because for those of you who follow the DVD market, there's actually cost in including that in the box, and we didn't want everybody who bought the Xbox, which is a game device, to pay that cost. So it's only for about 10 or 15 percent of the people who we think are going to want to play DVD movies on the box."


they use the dvd for its capacity and to lower the cost by using standard tools.like i said there wont be a major price difference when mass produced.


Yes, yes I know that, I guess I need to make my underlying points more simpler next time. It still costs money to implement the ability to play a standard DVD's MPEG-2, even though you've yet to buy the remote package to enable the ability. That adds to extra costs towards the consumer, which in my case doesn't need another DVD player. Also it's almost entirely unlikely Xbox will use standard DVD's as their software medium. They'll need to go with a proprietary method, just like Sony, Sega, and Nintendo for their games, so just like the rest of the competition Xbox games will almost undoubtedly list at a MSRP of $49.99.

[MATRIX-X]

nope standard
http://www.msxbox.com/hardware_php/dvd.php3






[Edited by MATRIX-X on 06-25-2001 at 01:57 PM]

[Pretendo]

That didn't say anything about XB's media format being proprietary. It is almost a guaruntee that they will. So just like Sony and Nintendo Xbox games will most likely be retailed at a $49.99 MSRP.

[cube4life]

i don't think gamecube is a crap console. the reason im not getting xbox is because i don't want 2 spend another $300 dollars on a system and some of xbox games don't really excite me alot. except 4 halo . 2 me munch is wac . but i don't think xbox will win the console wars. ps2 first gamecube second and xbox short of second place. thats 2 me how its going 2 be.

[AAA]

yeah... there's not that many interesting games i've seen for the XB. Only like Halo and maybe Munches. There's SSBM, Dinosaur Planet, PD2, Pikmin (it looks alright), and many others that I like for the GCN

[Pretendo]

For me it's the games that I haven't heard much about that have got me excited. Namely Rainbow Six (the subway video is incredible), Perfect Dark Zero, Thornado, Too Human, and Resident Evil Zero.

[BigSky]

i think i need a progressive scan DVD player to use on my widescreeen hdtv, drool

[gratedragon]

I believe a lot of people will not mind the lack of dvd and may like GCN more for its cheaper price.

[cube4life]

i know people will love gamecube 4 it's cheaper price because i do . in i love the games.

[BigSky]

i think a lot of people are turned off by GC cause it caters to the children just a little too much, but hey, you like what you like

[neodragon]

Originally posted by AAA
also (correct me if i'm wrong) I heard the DVD players in these systems have poor quality... um, stuff. It isn't as clear as reg. DVDs, or even VHS tapes.

The Xbox will have a progressive scan DVD player that is better then a standard DVD player

What is progressive scan?
You may think that the video you see on TV is simply flashing up images one frame at a time the way a film projector does, but that isn't the case at all. Inside your TV, an electron "gun" fires a beam that lights up a phosphorous coating behind the screen. Rather than painting an image by scanning from top to bottom in one pass, ordinary television sets skip every other line, first drawing in the odd-numbered lines, then going back to the top and scanning the even-numbered lines. This interlaced scanning method is great for broadcasting TV signals because it requires less bandwidth to send picture information. However, between that interlaced image and the filtering that's needed to reduce flicker, the picture resolution is reduced. In contrast, computer monitors and digital television sets can scan the whole screen in one pass. As a rule, such progressive-scan displays flicker less, and the edges, especially those of slow-moving objects, appear more solid and smooth. A progressive-scan DVD player takes advantage of this by sending one full frame of video information at a time rather than splitting the frame into two fields (odd lines first, then even).

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

[Edited by neodragon on 06-29-2001 at 02:39 PM]

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by BigSky
i think i need a progressive scan DVD player to use on my widescreeen hdtv, drool

1.GCN has HDTV support!
2.why u need DVD wit it?
-$30 for dvd package! that's so dumb!
3.if i got a XBOX(ugh) than i would wanna be able 2 play dvd's rite out of the box
4.XBOX is for the richer cuz by then, its the most expensiv and it uses broadband only and dvd package and if u were rich enuf(which i admit isn't the richest of the rich but still!) than buying a seperate dvd would be a betr way 2 go which prolly has alrdy been done!
5.bad controller
6.why u need HD?
7.MS looses most mony/console
8.games r pc-esque(if u will)
--------
gc discs r big enuf! who needs more? extra discs for 1 game rn't more expensiv and since wen did any1 care!

i dont wanna be "mean" or rude or anytin so plz! dont be rude 2 me.
lol...that mite be askn' for 2 much!...lol

[dragulongx]

What simps would say. Darn straight! HA! I did not use the D word.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by neodragon

Originally posted by AAA
also (correct me if i'm wrong) I heard the DVD players in these systems have poor quality... um, stuff. It isn't as clear as reg. DVDs, or even VHS tapes.

The Xbox will have a progressive scan DVD player that is better then a standard DVD player

What is progressive scan?
You may think that the video you see on TV is simply flashing up images one frame at a time the way a film projector does, but that isn't the case at all. Inside your TV, an electron "gun" fires a beam that lights up a phosphorous coating behind the screen. Rather than painting an image by scanning from top to bottom in one pass, ordinary television sets skip every other line, first drawing in the odd-numbered lines, then going back to the top and scanning the even-numbered lines. This interlaced scanning method is great for broadcasting TV signals because it requires less bandwidth to send picture information. However, between that interlaced image and the filtering that's needed to reduce flicker, the picture resolution is reduced. In contrast, computer monitors and digital television sets can scan the whole screen in one pass. As a rule, such progressive-scan displays flicker less, and the edges, especially those of slow-moving objects, appear more solid and smooth. A progressive-scan DVD player takes advantage of this by sending one full frame of video information at a time rather than splitting the frame into two fields (odd lines first, then even).

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

[Edited by neodragon on 06-29-2001 at 02:39 PM]

Who cares about MPEG 2 PS playback? PS shines when using it for games. So far GCN is the only console to support PS at a locked 60FPS, at HDTV resolutions. Which really makes GCN vs Xbox screen comparisions unfair since just about all GCN games are at 60FPS, PS while XB games are quite the otherwise.

[neodragon]

Originally posted by Pretendo

Originally posted by neodragon
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AAA
also (correct me if i'm wrong) I heard the DVD players in these systems have poor quality... um, stuff. It isn't as clear as reg. DVDs, or even VHS tapes.

The Xbox will have a progressive scan DVD player that is better then a standard DVD player

What is progressive scan?
You may think that the video you see on TV is simply flashing up images one frame at a time the way a film projector does, but that isn't the case at all. Inside your TV, an electron "gun" fires a beam that lights up a phosphorous coating behind the screen. Rather than painting an image by scanning from top to bottom in one pass, ordinary television sets skip every other line, first drawing in the odd-numbered lines, then going back to the top and scanning the even-numbered lines. This interlaced scanning method is great for broadcasting TV signals because it requires less bandwidth to send picture information. However, between that interlaced image and the filtering that's needed to reduce flicker, the picture resolution is reduced. In contrast, computer monitors and digital television sets can scan the whole screen in one pass. As a rule, such progressive-scan displays flicker less, and the edges, especially those of slow-moving objects, appear more solid and smooth. A progressive-scan DVD player takes advantage of this by sending one full frame of video information at a time rather than splitting the frame into two fields (odd lines first, then even).

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

Who cares about MPEG 2 PS playback? PS shines when using it for games. So far GCN is the only console to support PS at a locked 60FPS, at HDTV resolutions. Which really makes GCN vs Xbox screen comparisions unfair since just about all GCN games are at 60FPS, PS while XB games are quite the otherwise.

Pretendo, as most people can plainly see I was just correcting AAA as he asked someone to do and provided a link. He and I where talking about the DVD play back not game play, but since you brought it up please provide a link to all the GC games (or "just about all") that are running at 60fps ,PS. and about the Xbox games try this one on for size.

I understand that hardware at E3 was 50% of what will be final. So even if the games slowed down to 30 or 40fps I don't see this as a problem when released since they will be able to go twice the frame rate. If you don't think so explain this!

Xbox game running at 180fps!

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2001/may01/05-16xbox.asp

When the game developers at Japan’s Tecmo Inc. began designing Dead of Alive 3, they couldn’t believe the visual fidelity. Previous versions of Dead or Alive, which ran on another gaming system, could offer no more than 60 visual frames per second. Initially, Tecmo developers were able to create 130 frames per second on Xbox. Now more adapt with Xbox, they have got the rate up to 180 frames per second, Blackley says.

Tecmo was so impressed that it asked Microsoft if it could create DOA 3 exclusively for Xbox. "Their designers didn’t want to have to dumb down the game for other systems," Blackley said.



I'll be waiting for your link(s) to all those games.
Maybe while your looking, are there any GC games running at 180fps?

[Edited by neodragon on 07-01-2001 at 10:08 AM]

[³¹¹]

Originally posted by Bryanator69
Actually Xbox is a big mistake ;) I already have a PC ya know.

http://i17.yimg.com/17/d57d1e32/g/26824f31.gif

hey i might be coming in this a little late, but this is the best comment about shitty xbox

[Temjin]

:rolleyes: Thank you for reviving this dead topic with such an unnecessary comment.

Bah! :p

[gratedragon]

He may be late, but I agree that all x-box games have a pc feel to them, though this is neither good nor bad.

[MATRIX-X]

just wait till launch then decide.
311 thx for that intelligent remark

[³¹¹]

jsu trying to get some actionj into these forums...

are u being sarcastic matrix?

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by gamecube guy
the gamecube was a big mastake no dvd no dvd i mean no dvd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it now on my name is the XBOX DUDE!!!!

i can't believe i ignored this!...lol.

i'm sure gamecube guy was just thinkn'...
"dang! now i can'y play video games!"
:rolleyes:
cuz i'n pretty sure that the main point is 2 play video games...
its the VIDEO GAMING industry
...rite?
...that's wut i thot it was all about...
;) :p

[gratedragon]

I think the true competition is between Sony and MS. Gamecube looks to be extremely good, and when you compare it to the way the N64 was a "failure" yet still gave Nintendo profit I can't see how it will fail.

[cube4life]

all the next gen consoles won't fail.They will have disadvantages in advantages over each other though.

[Pretendo]

Guys please layoff the name calling, Xbox or otherwise, if you want to have some good arguments, do so in a kindly mature manner.

As for saying all next-gen consoles won't fail, that would be a risky assumption, everyone has their own aces up their sleeves and we don't know how consumers from Japan, North America, and Europe will react to this oddball of a console war.

[Sandman]

Okay here's my points.

Nintendo's GameCube doesn't have a DVD player, but Panasonic's does. Problem solved.

Also, GameCube is cheap. Me buy. And PD0 and RS2 are coming out *drool*.

[Carpetwax]

No DVD=Market friendly. Cheaper.

Go buy a DVD player, moron. This is a video-game system.

[gratedragon]

I have to agree that if you want a dvd. Buy an actual one and stay away from the lower quality ones added on to systems. Also keep in mind that vhs is still good and about everyone has one.

[MATRIX-X]

is this still not closed?
and stop with the DVD arguement its simple if you dont want to waste money on the DVD part dont buy the add-on.

[zmaster]

Originally posted by MATRIX-X
is this still not closed?
and stop with the DVD arguement its simple if you dont want to waste money on the DVD part dont buy the add-on.

Well, that's not an issue with PS2 and X-Box. The always come with a DVD player. So even if you don't want one(which most gamers don't) you still have to pay the extra money for it. A major planning flaw if you ask me.

[johnnyBgood]

Want this thing closed? I didn't think you guys did cause it has taken off so much... I will close it if you want.

[MATRIX-X]

Originally posted by zmaster


Well, that's not an issue with PS2 and X-Box. The always come with a DVD player. So even if you don't want one(which most gamers don't) you still have to pay the extra money for it. A major planning flaw if you ask me.


nope the thing that makes it more costly is the fee they have to pay for letting it play movies but you only pay that with the add-on.
putting a normal dvd player in there isnt going to be more expencive than something custom designed.at worsed the same price

[zacharypike]

the gamecube was a big mastake no dvd no dvd i mean no dvd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it now on my name is the XBOX DUDE!!!!the gamecube was a big mastake no dvd no dvd i mean no dvd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it now on my name is the XBOX DUDE!!!!

Um let me tell u somthing,the xbox is size is ten times bigger then the gamecube so whos system is going to be lighter,hum gamecube.And for the dvd part,nintendo will have to systems ,one just for gameing and one for dvd playing.Nintendo can put more effort into the gamepart and not wast time on the dvd partlike xbox did.And ms is tkeing power from their system for dooing this.And do you think the dvd is going to be that good.

[reboot_zero]

Dudes, Xbox SUCKS, it has nothing but American GARBAGE, you know...FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS, and kiddie games. Microsoft LIES...ALOT!!! take the poly count for instints, sure Sony did it, but Microsoft found out that it looks "impressive", and when they were asked to give the "non-theoretical" numbers, they were dazed. Even the sound, they said it can handle 256 ch. of sound, that may be, but it handles 64ch. of "3d" sound...what surprise, thats how much the GAMECUBE does! The only thing "good" for the system is...Halo (coming to PC and Mac 2 monthes later with graphical enhancments and INTERNET PLAY!!!!!!), and Project Gotham (which MSR for Dreamcast looks much, much better). "The Xbox is not a pared down version of a PC even though it looks like one on the inside" -Microsoft , "We are strongly demanding that PC periphals are not used with the Xbox, so consoles users feel right at home" -Microsoft ...Yes, I hate that damned Keyboard for Phantasy Star Online and Quake 3, why can't I just use that controller to type...theres just too many buttons, my console mind can't handle all that! "It's quit a funny story actually, the reason behind the Green "Jewel" is because that was the only marker we had left, after designing the console that is, and we just used it for the "theoretical" design, but it seemed to go well as a trade mark" -Bill Gates , ALL good games are made, designed, and thought of in Japan. Americans...well, we make FPS (not even the good ones, those were made by Europe), and ...stratagy games (we haven't produced a good one in 4 years). Now that we have setteled this little problem, we will look at Nintendo. Smash Bro., Metroid, Zelda, Mario, luigie, and the BEST party games made. Plus, they have AM2 (Sonic Team), they also have AM1 (Sports Team), Rare, Acclaim, Psynosis...well all the GOOD companies. Microsoft on the other hand, Infogrames (good), and a whole bunch of other, un-proven crap companies. P.S. everyone says DVD discs are better because they hold more, the fact is...DVD cost $20 for each plastic disc they make, Mini DVDs on the other hand cost $10 a disc. I got a PC, DVD player, a Dreamcast controller, and a whole bunch of crap game that were free from AOL fan sites...WAIT a second...THAT MEANS I ALREADY OWN AN XBOX!!! WOW! If you like PC games that are already out...then get it, but beware, new PC games that come out in 2-3 years will make the Xbox's 733 mHz processor, and 64 MB Geforce 3, and 64 MB DDRam seem out-dated. Too bad you can't upgrade it. You know...like NES, Snes, N64, Genisis, Saturn, and PCs.

[crow of shadows]

Well.... All of the multi-billion dollar companies are like that. They just want to turn a good profit, period.

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by Sandman
Okay here's my points.

Nintendo's GameCube doesn't have a DVD player, but Panasonic's does. Problem solved.

Also, GameCube is cheap. Me buy. And PD0 and RS2 are coming out *drool*. What the hell is wrong with you, all video game systems should allow you to watch movies (sarcasm). :)

[Inaba]

Sometimes you make good points but learn your AM team names ^_~ AM2 is AM2. AM1 I'm not sure but I'll look it up, Sonic Team is like AM14 or something... and they don't even have AM names anymore! LOL (Except AM2, because AM2 is THAT popular)

[MATRIX-X]

no point in argueing with you since you find msr looking better then this http://www.teamxbox.com/article.php?id=112&t=f

the rest didnt have alot of commen sence but hey.
and for the las time u can only compair theoretical numbers,real life numbers mean nothing becouse they are very dependent on what is running on screen. i can have a game running 50mpolys a second and still have a crap game becouse there is no texures or used very little textures,small amount of effects..
so why didnt they gave the raw numbers? they could easly have done it even less trouble then giving demo numbers.
why??

[porkbeard]

what do you mean american GARBAGE!!! are you some kinda communist. why dont you go move to china. we never made fun of the games you like.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by reboot_zero
Dudes, Xbox SUCKS, it has nothing but American GARBAGE, you know...FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS, and kiddie games.
Oh really? I only see around 3 or 4 first person shooters on the Xbox. And please... Dont get on "kiddie games". I know of another console thats full of 'em. ;)

** note ** I dont think that a console having a lot of "kiddie" games are bad. I've stated this several times... If the game is fun, it doesn't matter if the game is kiddie or not. ** note **


Microsoft LIES...ALOT!!!
... Oh really?


take the poly count for instints
... * Temjin snickers.

... "instints"... Gaha... :D


sure Sony did it, but Microsoft found out that it looks "impressive", and when they were asked to give the "non-theoretical" numbers, they were dazed.
They couldn't give you non-theoretical numers because the hardware wasn't finalized. If you want conservative numbers, go read some of the editorials done by Micheal Abrash, a MS employee, at ddj.com. He says in one of the articles that in the long run, the Xbox will most likely be doing 40-50 million pps with a considerable amount of effects, and some good codin'. And that was before the Xbox got the Hyper Transport Technology and several other hardware adjustments. Its probably capable of more now.

BTW, the 125 polycount is a real world number.


Even the sound, they said it can handle 256 ch. of sound, that may be, but it handles 64ch. of "3d" sound...what surprise, thats how much the GAMECUBE does!
Still, it has better sound capabilities. See, the problem isn't that Microsoft "lies", its just that they dont give out conservative, real world numbers. In the long run, the Xbox still ends up being better in certain areas.


The only thing "good" for the system is...Halo (coming to PC and Mac 2 monthes later with graphical enhancments and INTERNET PLAY!!!!!!)
Your opinion. And the PC and Mac versions are coming out at least 6 months after the Xbox version. The graphics most likely will not be superior to that of the Xbox version, since Bungie is working on closed hardware And theres still a possibility, albeit small. that the Xbox version will have online play.


and Project Gotham (which MSR for Dreamcast looks much, much better).
... ROFL! Have you seen the recent shots of Project Gotham? It blows Gran Turismo 3 out of the water. Not only are the cars more detailed, but the enviroments are spectacular as well. "MSr for the Dreamcast looks much, much better"... LOL! You're a funny one. :D Even the very early build we saw at CES looked much better than MSR.


"We are strongly demanding that PC periphals are not used with the Xbox, so consoles users feel right at home" -Microsoft ...Yes, I hate that damned Keyboard for Phantasy Star Online and Quake 3, why can't I just use that controller to type...theres just too many buttons, my console mind can't handle all that!
Haha. I wouldn't mind seeing a mouse/keyboard setup for the Xbox, but there are other things you can use in its place... For First Person Shooters, you can use the PantherX controller, which was designed just for FPS. And for chatting, you use the voice communicator.


ALL good games are made, designed, and thought of in Japan. Americans...well, we make FPS (not even the good ones, those were made by Europe), and ...stratagy games (we haven't produced a good one in 4 years).
All I know is that I see quite a few good looking games coming from those Americans that cant make good FPS or stragety games. Project Ego, for example. Have you read the previews? That game has so much potential.


Now that we have setteled this little problem, we will look at Nintendo. Smash Bro., Metroid, Zelda, Mario, luigie, and the BEST party games made. Plus, they have AM2 (Sonic Team), they also have AM1 (Sports Team), Rare, Acclaim, Psynosis...well all the GOOD companies.
... "BEST"... Heh.


Microsoft on the other hand, Infogrames (good), and a whole bunch of other, un-proven crap companies.
... You think Infrogames is good? Ugh... There are much better developers developing games for the Xbox. Bungie is a great developer, and they've definitely proven themselves.

And thats what I like about the Xbox, reboot_zero. All of these "un-proven crap companies" are bringing a lot of new, fresh, original content to the table and thats what most people want to see these days.


P.S. everyone says DVD discs are better because they hold more, the fact is...DVD cost $20 for each plastic disc they make, Mini DVDs on the other hand cost $10 a disc.
Got a link? Even if this is true, regular DVDs still hold much, much more. The dual layered DVDs of the Xbox hold more than 6 times the data that a Mini-DVD holds(And cost just as much, if not less, than a normal DVD, I believe). Sure, most developers wont need that space, but if one does... The space is there.


I got a PC, DVD player, a Dreamcast controller, and a whole bunch of crap game that were free from AOL fan sites...WAIT a second...THAT MEANS I ALREADY OWN AN XBOX!!! WOW!
... :rolleyes:


If you like PC games that are already out...then get it, but beware, new PC games that come out in 2-3 years will make the Xbox's 733 mHz processor, and 64 MB Geforce 3, and 64 MB DDRam seem out-dated.
Newer PC games that come out years later should still be able to run on the Xbox. PCs actually have a lot of catching up to do.


Too bad you can't upgrade it. You know...like NES, Snes, N64, Genisis, Saturn, and PCs.
Thats the whole point of consoles, to get rid of that updating crap. Everybody doesn't spend the extra cash to update their consoles. Look at the add-ons for each of those systems and you'll see what I mean. They dont sell well. Microsoft and Nintendo wont have to upgrade their consoles, they already have everything they need to hold them over 'til their next, next-gen consoles.

[reboot_zero]

I'm not going to reply to all your retarded trash targeted to me, but heres some of it.
They couldn't give you non-theoretical numers because the hardware wasn't finalized. If you want conservative numbers, go read some of the editorials done by Micheal Abrash, a MS employee, at ddj.com. He says in one of the articles that in the long run, the Xbox will most likely be doing 40-50 million pps with a considerable amount of effects, and some good codin'. And that was before the Xbox got the Hyper Transport Technology and several other hardware adjustments. Its probably capable of more now So then your saying that since the system will be released in 79 days, they can't give a "non-theoretical" number? But GAMECUBE is coming out in 76 days, and they have proven their "non-theoretical" poly count that they told us at space world 99.
Still, it has better sound capabilities. See, the problem isn't that Microsoft "lies", its just that they dont give out conservative, real world numbers. In the long run, the Xbox still ends up being better in certain areas Did you even reply to what I said? All you said is "It has better sound capabillities".
Your opinion. And the PC and Mac versions are coming out at least 6 months after the Xbox version. The graphics most likely will not be superior to that of the Xbox version, since Bungie is working on closed hardware And theres still a possibility, albeit small. that the Xbox version will have online play Let me see...Bungie has worked on PC and Mac version for 4 years, Xbox version for 1 year. What the hell is a "albeit small"?
Have you seen the recent shots of Project Gotham? No I haven't, no...instead I have downloaded the real time videos of it, MSR looks better except for the reflections, and at least MSR was based off of real roads and enviroments.
Haha. I wouldn't mind seeing a mouse/keyboard setup for the Xbox, but there are other things you can use in its place... For First Person Shooters, you can use the PantherX controller, which was designed just for FPS. And for chatting, you use the voice communicator How will you feel when you play a FPS with a MIC, and a 10-13 year old little kid is giving you orders? And playing a FPS without a mouse SUCKS.
All I know is that I see quite a few good looking games coming from those Americans that cant make good FPS or stragety games. Project Ego, for example. Have you read the previews? That game has so much potential Read the previews? I'm sorry, but I can't do that. I didn't say that they are always crap, but just about 99.999% of the time they are.
[about party games]... "BEST"... Heh Yeah the best, name me a GOOD party game for PSX.
... You think Infrogames is good? Ugh... There are much better developers developing games for the Xbox. Bungie is a great developer, and they've definitely proven themselves They haven't made a GOOD game since Marathon 2: Durandal.
Got a link? Even if this is true, regular DVDs still hold much, much more. The dual layered DVDs of the Xbox hold more than 6 times the data that a Mini-DVD holds(And cost just as much, if not less, than a normal DVD, I believe). Sure, most developers wont need that space, but if one does... The space is there A double layered DVD with 2 sides will hold 18 Gigs, A double layered 2 sided GAMECUBE disc will hold about 5 Gigs, NO console game has ever taken up that much, not even Square soft.
Newer PC games that come out years later should still be able to run on the Xbox. PCs actually have a lot of catching up to do WTF? The Xbox is made out of PC parts, and besides, if this was true, it would only take 1-2 years to catch up...1.8 GHz=733MHz?, 512 MB ram=64MB ram?, 80 Gig HD=8Gig HD? Man, I can't wait for the PCs to catch down.
Thats the whole point of consoles, to get rid of that updating crap. Everybody doesn't spend the extra cash to update their consoles. Look at the add-ons for each of those systems and you'll see what I mean I see whats you mean. I had much rather spend $149.99 for a new N64, rather than paying $10 for the RAM upgrade. Well dude, you got me. What the hell was I thinking?

[Temjin]

So then your saying that since the system will be released in 79 days, they can't give a "non-theoretical" number? But GAMECUBE is coming out in 76 days, and they have proven their "non-theoretical" poly count that they told us at space world 99.
They must not feel that its necessary to give us conservative numbers. They took those numbers off of their official site quite some time ago.


Did you even reply to what I said? All you said is "It has better sound capabillities".
:rolleyes: Yes, I did. That fit into your "MS lies because they give 'non-theoretical' numbers" argument and I said a lil' somethin' somethin' about that at the end of my reply. You were making it seem as though the GCN could match the Xbox when it came to sound. I was making sure there weren't any misunderstandings.


Let me see...Bungie has worked on PC and Mac version for 4 years, Xbox version for 1 year. What the hell is a "albeit small"?
Eh, looks like you dont follow HALO. ;o

The PC version was dropped so Bungie could concentrate only on the Xbox version. They had to completely redo the game engine and other things for it to take advantage of the Xbox's powerful, closed hardware. They're not even thinking about the PC version until they finish the Xbox version, and take a long break.

When they do re-start the development of the PC/Mac versions, they'll have to redo the engine yet again, and do other things to make sure the game will work for the people with the crappy graphics cards. The game will be coming out at least 6 months after the release of the Xbox version.


No I haven't, no...instead I have downloaded the real time videos of it, MSR looks better except for the reflections, and at least MSR was based off of real roads and enviroments.
... You cant be serious. O_o; I know everybodys entitled to their own opinion and everything, but how can you say MSR looks better than Project Gotham? Its not just the reflections. The polygon counts have been increased significantly on the car models and backgrounds. I'm hearing rumours that PG is pushing poly counts in the 30 millions.

... And I'm pretty sure the enviroments in PG are based off real roads and enviroments. I could be wrong, though.


How will you feel when you play a FPS with a MIC, and a 10-13 year old little kid is giving you orders? And playing a FPS without a mouse SUCKS.
Would it make a difference if the kid was using a keyboard? If the guy was a immature asshole, it would show either way.

And the PantherX might not be the perfect substitute for an optical mouse/keyboard setup, but it comes pretty damn close. Lots of experienced FPS players use this controller.


Read the previews? I'm sorry, but I can't do that.
... And do you mind me asking why not?


I didn't say that they are always crap, but just about 99.999% of the time they are.
:rolleyes: That basically is all of 'em.


Yeah the best, name me a GOOD party game for PSX.
Egh. I quoted your "BEST" comment because it was your opinion.

And there are different "parties" of developers. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. If you're talking about 1st/2nd, fine... Gran Turismo 1, 2, and last but not least, Gran Turismo 3. If you're talking about 3rd, all of the Final Fantasy games, and Metal Gear Solid. Happy?


They haven't made a GOOD game since Marathon 2: Durandal.
Thats debatable. Despite all the bad reviews Oni got, lots of people still considered it a pretty good game.


A double layered DVD with 2 sides will hold 18 Gigs, A double layered 2 sided GAMECUBE disc will hold about 5 Gigs, NO console game has ever taken up that much, not even Square soft.
Square has come quite close, though. FFX fills up nearly the whole DVD(Thats 4.5 gigs right there). And theres a lot more that could've been added in that game. Like I said in my previous post, if any developers need that extra space, is there.

And I'm waiting for that link about GCN's discs being half the price of normal DVDs.


WTF? The Xbox is made out of PC parts, and besides, if this was true, it would only take 1-2 years to catch up...1.8 GHz=733MHz?, 512 MB ram=64MB ram?, 80 Gig HD=8Gig HD? Man, I can't wait for the PCs to catch down.
Made out of PC parts, but lacks most of the limitations that PCs have, like the AGP bus for example. Plus, developers can code for the Xbox and take advantage of all its power without worrying about the people with out of date graphics cards.


I see whats you mean. I had much rather spend $149.99 for a new N64, rather than paying $10 for the RAM upgrade. Well dude, you got me. What the hell was I thinking?
:rolleyes: Perhaps I should mention one of the other cons of having upgrades for a console ... Most developers wont support them because most gamers wont buy them.

[Linux_Penguin]

microsoft lies so much. so many new improved versions fixing old cookies..... w/ a fresh to accompany that one.




temjin, i rest my case


xbox is a computer(e3) proved it:p


xbox a lot of purchasing, yet they can't make a decent game. all of their games are taken from another system. they can't make a decent systemof anytype. and sound capabilaties, who cares, it's graphics and the controls to worry about.nintendo quality is good enough.



who needs dvd, every system has them, gamecube can save money by giving u the choice.
give me 1 good game coming out for gamecube that they made them selves.
:eek: that's right there isn't one, they've been to busy boasting and copying games to actually fix that. anyone buying xbox is buy 300$ worth of crap.......:p :rolleyes:

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Slyfox895
microsoft lies so much. so many new improved versions fixing old cookies..... w/ a fresh to accompany that one.
... :confused: I guess you're saying they keep releasing improved versions of their products and fixing up any problems they had before. Do you see them doing that with the Xbox?


temjin, i rest my case


xbox is a computer(e3) proved it:p
How did E3 prove that the Xbox was a computer? The fact that all the games were running on development kits? The majority of GCn games were too. So I guess that qualifies GCN as a computer as well, eh? Was it the fact that dev kit supposedly crashed at E3? The PS2 crashed on several occasions. I dont see tons of people calling that a computer... And you dont see a lot of complaints from people claiming that its crashing in their homes now, do you?



xbox a lot of purchasing, yet they can't make a decent game. all of their games are taken from another system.
What do you call Amped, HALO, Project Ego, Project Ego, Azurik, and Nightcaster? Those are all original Xbox titles that are getting very good impressions from several gaming sites/magazines.


they can't make a decent systemof anytype.
:rolleyes: The Xbox = The most powerful of the next generation consoles with a stellar software lineup. What is your definition of "a decent system", Slyfox895?


and sound capabilaties, who cares, it's graphics and the controls to worry about.
Both Nintendo and Microsoft care, thats who. They've both paid careful attention to their system's sound capabilities and they're both capable of giving is some extremely pleasurable aural goodness. And I guess you've been living under a rock the past year or so, eh? :p The Xbox is the most powerful of the next generation consoles. So it will be producing some of the best graphics. And there are several good lookin' Xbox controllers comin' out when it launches.


nintendo quality is good enough.
Good enough for you, I guess. Some people want more.


who needs dvd, every system has them, gamecube can save money by giving u the choice.
You get a choice with the Xbox as well. You just wont have to pay as much. :p You have to buy a remote to activate the DVD playback for the Xbox. Microsoft doesn't want people buying the Xbox just for a DVD player like people were doing with the PS2 last year. They dont make money off of DVD movies, they make their money off of the games.


give me 1 good game coming out for gamecube that they made them selves.
... You must mean the Xbox. I already listed some of the exclusive Xbox titles above, 2 or 3 of them are being published by Microsoft and are getting some really good impressions.

Slyfox895, I suggest you give it up. Your arguments against the Xbox are pretty weak, and its obvious you dont know too much about the thing, or want to know. Leave the Xbox bashing to the more informed posters, eh? :p Not to insult you or anything, but I dont like wasting my time on posts like these.

[Deadly Blood Shedder]

Originally posted by gamecube guy
the gamecube was a big mastake no dvd no dvd i mean no dvd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it now on my name is the XBOX DUDE!!!!

Aside from the rather stupid post above me, this thread has became a center for somewhat intelligent misc chat on the next-gen console wars

Must....... save..... weirdo......... there is another gamecube version that plays dvds so do not leave the gamecool.

[imported_mrX]

I thought we bought consoles to play games not movies. Oh well, there will be a gc that can play dvds so don't worry.

[Tyrel]

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=639

Go here to see what the unbiased consumer thinks.

[zmaster]

Originally posted by Tyrel
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=639

Go here to see what the unbiased consumer thinks.

Nice. I wonder what the "other" is.

[Boggy700]

OK. I'm not going to go into all the,

"ooh.. XBox sucks and Gamecube kicks ass!!! WOOOOOOO!!!" Stuff that gets said ('cause Temjin convinced me otherwise) so I'm just going to get to the point.

Most people just want a game console for the games.

I read somewhere that the PS2 game sales didn't match up to the console sales meaning people only wanted it as a DVD player that could play games and not the other way round, so if the XBox suddenly gets extremely popular then this MAY be the case.

I know that Nintendo releases alot of 'kiddy' games but alot of them are fun when you play them. Besides how many 'kiddy' games are being released for Gamecube? (Nobody better say the new Zelda!!:mad: )

If I want a DVD player I'll go out and get one that doesn't have a game system attached.

There are two versions of Gamecubes being made, one with and one without a DVD player.

The Non-DVD one looks cooler than the DVD one.

Put your hand up here if you have a computer.

Keep your hand up if you have a range of great games.

Keep your hand up even longer if some of them you got for free by copying them.

Most of the XBox g.. Yes you can put your hands down now. Most of the XBox games are on computer so whoever isn't getting an XBox wont miss out on some of the great games there are.

That's 'bout it.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Boggy700
OK. I'm not going to go into all the,

"ooh.. XBox sucks and Gamecube kicks ass!!! WOOOOOOO!!!" Stuff that gets said ('cause Temjin convinced me otherwise) so I'm just going to get to the point.
YAY!

I so proud of you, Boggy. ^_^;


I read somewhere that the PS2 game sales didn't match up to the console sales meaning people only wanted it as a DVD player that could play games and not the other way round, so if the XBox suddenly gets extremely popular then this MAY be the case.
This is true(The part about the PS2 selling because of the DVD player). Sony lost tons of money last year because of that.

MS is trying to prevent this by having consumers buy the DVD player seperately... Well, kinda, sorta. They have to buy a remote for $30 that will activate the DVD player in the Xbox. Plus, MS isn't really making a big deal about the DVD playback of the Xbox, they're trying to advertise the games instead. :)


Most of the XBox g.. Yes you can put your hands down now. Most of the XBox games are on computer so whoever isn't getting an XBox wont miss out on some of the great games there are.
In a way, you're right. Most of the Xbox's games are coming out for the PC, but are the Xbox's killer apps comin' out for the PC? Games like DOA3, Munch's Oddysee, Project Ego, Project Gotham, and many, many more are exclusive to the Xbox.

[Hogwash]

And the Xbox having some great PC games is bad? At least the Xbox has a nice mix of console games AND PC games, not limiting itself to fruity platformer after fruity platformer.

And to play these upcoming, sweet looking "PC" games, would you rather pay for an Xbox or perhaps a grand for a high end PC that wouldn't match Xbox anyway?

Sorry but this PC argument just doesn't work.

I'd rather pay 300 bucks for a great system that can play my DOA3 as well as my DNF.

[imported_DaKilla]

If you think about it GC is a rip off.

XBOX= HD+DVD... Price $300
Gc =Nuthing...Price $200

Now IF you buy a GC with Dvd...Price $340 without an HD.
140 more than the Xbox.



I'm sick and tired of Hearing how The Xbox is a PC....Because it is not.

The HD is used for the games. . There won't be any Windows Xp on it.

Internet is used for Online gaming.

Intel Pentium processor is mostly used for the Online Gaming.

The Nvidia chip is custom made to deliver twice the power found on PC's.

That's all.

Also Xbox will not fail MS and third parties will support xbox for as long as the next Gen consoles arrive.

So please Don't lie. It really makes all you GC fanboys seem stupid.

One more thing . Nintendo has the most potential for failing since their company is the poorest compared to sony and MS.

[zmaster]

Originally posted by DaKilla
If you think about it GC is a rip off.

XBOX= HD+DVD... Price $300
Gc =Nuthing...Price $200

Now IF you buy a GC with Dvd...Price $340 without an HD.
140 more than the Xbox.

Hmm.. And you want a DVD player in a gaming system why? The GCN was made to be a simply gaming machine, doesn't seem like so much of a rip off to me;)


Originally posted by DaKilla
I'm sick and tired of Hearing how The Xbox is a PC....Because it is not.

Think about your posts a little. Every console is a computer. If the X-Box isn't a computer, then what is it? A toaster?


Originally posted by DaKilla
Internet is used for Online gaming.

:pWhere'd you get that one? Duh.


Originally posted by DaKilla
Also Xbox will not fail MS and third parties will support xbox for as long as the next Gen consoles arrive

Purley specualtion. The reason the 3rd devs are with them is because MS is paying them a shit load to stay.


Originally posted by DaKilla
So please Don't lie. It really makes all you GC fanboys seem stupid.

One more thing . Nintendo has the most potential for failing since their company is the poorest compared to sony and MS.

:p I should just basically call you an idiot for posting that. We don't lie, and we aren't stupid, it's all in your mind. Nintendo being the poorest compared to Sony and MS, so what? It's not like they're broke. Nintendo is still rich, and Sony is almost in the past now. PS2 will still take some of the market, but the GCN and X-box will be the real contenders.



:pFanboys:p

[mygodreigns79]

Originally posted by Cube Gamer
Why are so many people concerned with DVD drives in their console systems?? The thing is supposed to play games not DVD's.

I know, right? If I wanted a DVD player, I would go buy one, one with a remote and a heck of a lot more options. I want GAMES.

[imported_DaKilla]

Are you some kind of an idiot Zmaster.
You don't have to get the Dvd remote if you don't want to... duh.

You keep on saying that you want the GC because of games.
When Xbox will have 20- 30 games at launch, opposed to Nintendo's 2 games at Launch. HAH

Face it GC is kiddy.....If you want to buy it because you enjoy that kinda stuff go ahead.:rolleyes:

[zmaster]

Originally posted by DaKilla
Are you some kind of an idiot Zmaster.
You don't have to get the Dvd remote if you don't want to... duh.

You keep on saying that you want the GC because of games.
When Xbox will have 20- 30 games at launch, opposed to Nintendo's 2 games at Launch. HAH

Face it GC is kiddy.....If you want to buy it because you enjoy that kinda stuff go ahead.:rolleyes:

Obvioulsy you haven't done your homework;) I said nothing about the DVD remote, I was talking aobut the DVD player in general. What if you don't want it, but you want the X-Box? What do you do then? 2 Games at launch? Huh, that's a load of biased crap. Ask Pretendo, he'll tell you how many they're are. I would like you to check my sig. Look at my quote. After reading that, go read my lecture. Then you can come here and insult me like that, but only if you actually have something good to say.

[BigSky]

why ask pretendo zmaster, don't you know the answer.

there will be from 10-15 launch games for the gc
and then a trickle of games through out the rest of the year

overall though, the XBox has more annonced games than GC
recall N64....

[BigSky]

you are not gonna find a progressive DVD player for less than $200

the xbox dvd player for $30 is a down right steal

the HD is revolutionary to those who care and GCers would be happy to have one on the GC if there was indeed one

i can't wait to rip my own music for in game music

thus the DVD, HDD and EtherNet adapter makes the XBox a bargian compared to other systems, plus you don't have to buy a Mem Card like you do with the GC

GC mem card is like $20 + Modem $40.
that alone is $260 and it doesn't even approach the features you find on the XBox

the xobx of course consisting of, for $320, a progressive scan DVD player, HDD, and EtherNet Adapter.

Panasonics version of the GC-DVD player is like $300 as well, but again you will have to buy a MEM card and a Modem to even approach the features of the XBox.

[zmaster]

Originally posted by BigSky
why ask pretendo zmaster, don't you know the answer.

there will be from 10-15 launch games for the gc
and then a trickle of games through out the rest of the year

overall though, the XBox has more annonced games than GC
recall N64....

Yes, I know the #, but Pretendo could tell the exact games. Oh, wait a min, never mind, I could tell you. here are the current launch games:

1)SSX Tricky
2)Luigi's Mansion
3)Wave Race: Blue Storm
4)Star Wars: Rouge Leader
5)Super Monkey Ball
6)Madden NFL 2002
7)Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2
8)Extreme G 3
9)All-Star Baseball 2002
10)NFL Quarterback Club 2002
11)Crazy Taxi
12)NFL Blitz 2002
13)NHL Hitz 2002
14)Batman: Dark Tommorow
15)Universal Studios

[imported_DaKilla]

GC will have about 2 games at launch and then..I think 2 more the week after that..and so on. It will not have 15 games at launch Miyamoto clearly stated it.
Only luigi's Mansion and Waverace.

As for the Dvd It's a cool feature but as I said before you can't play dvd's without the remote. so when you buy an XBox at launch you'll be getting a game system with broadband. That's it.
if you want the Dvd player buy it for thirty bucks. IF you just want a gaming sytem don't get the remote...Period.

As for the kiddy games. Why do you think Sega is going to put super MOnkey ball and sonic on GC? while they put Gunvalkrie and house of the dead on Xbox. because GC is going to be a kiddy system.

[BigSky]

the GC will have 2 first party games at launch and over 10 third party games, or there abouts

we'll see what happens though, as titles are sure to drop

[zmaster]

Originally posted by DaKilla
GC will have about 2 games at launch and then..I think 2 more the week after that..and so on. It will not have 15 games at launch Miyamoto clearly stated it.
Only luigi's Mansion and Waverace.

As for the Dvd It's a cool feature but as I said before you can't play dvd's without the remote. so when you buy an XBox at launch you'll be getting a game system with broadband. That's it.
if you want the Dvd player buy it for thirty bucks. IF you just want a gaming sytem don't get the remote...Period.

As for the kiddy games. Why do you think Sega is going to put super MOnkey ball and sonic on GC? while they put Gunvalkrie and house of the dead on Xbox. because GC is going to be a kiddy system.

That list is an official list of the games that will be availible on Nov. 18. You know, the day it's coming out. Where did Miyamoto say that? Sounds like made up fanboy BS to me:p.
About the DVD, I was talking about if you don't want it installed in the system. It's not a hard concept to understand, just put your brain to work a little. If you don't want the DVD player, then if you get the system, you have to pay the extra $ for it anyway, you don't have a choice.
Super Monkey ball is supposed to be a great, fun, challenging game. But you probably won't know that since you haven't read any of IGN's reviews have you?;) Oh, and Sonic is not kiddy, he's one of the greatest characters ever created. Have you even seen any of the more mature games for the system? Here's a list of the games that are rated T along with the ones that aren't childish:

1)SSBM
2)Rouge Leader
3)Eternal Darkness(if you call this a kiddy game, you are truely an idiot).
4)MK5
6)All of the Sports games
5)Extreme G 3
6)Resident Evil 0
7)Galleon: Islands of Mystery
8)More that I don't have the patience to write

There are lots of non kiddy games on the system. But you didn't read my quote did you? You know, the one about all that matters is if a game is fun? You're only embarasing yourself by continuing to try to prove me wrong. I suggest you save your self a bit of humiliation and stop, it's pointless and you know it.

[Pretendo]

Originally posted by DaKilla
GC will have about 2 games at launch and then..I think 2 more the week after that..and so on. It will not have 15 games at launch Miyamoto clearly stated it.
Only luigi's Mansion and Waverace.

As for the Dvd It's a cool feature but as I said before you can't play dvd's without the remote. so when you buy an XBox at launch you'll be getting a game system with broadband. That's it.
if you want the Dvd player buy it for thirty bucks. IF you just want a gaming sytem don't get the remote...Period.

As for the kiddy games. Why do you think Sega is going to put super MOnkey ball and sonic on GC? while they put Gunvalkrie and house of the dead on Xbox. because GC is going to be a kiddy system.

Hi, I'm Pretendo, please sit tight while I 0wn this post;)

GameCube will have two (2) <u>first party</u> titles at launch. In addition to about 9-10 2/3rd party software. Pikmin will launch the day after launch and many more titles will shortly follow in December.

Tell me, when did Phantasy Star Online become a 'kiddy' game? Or Sonic, all the SEGA Sports games, and various 'can'ttellyoujustyetprojects'? Eh?... eh! eh!?!?

And BTW Super Monkey Ball will most certainly be enjoyed by all age groups and reviece positive reviews, seeing the highly-positive comments it has already recieved. And making games that are fun and enjoyable to a large audience are the hardest, something Sony and Microsoft, just can't seem to do.

<font size="1">And BTW, Jet Set Radio Future... well it won't be exclusive for very long;)</font size>

whoops.

And I haven't even covered the gory 2nd and 3rd party titles, which so happen to be exclusives;)

[BigSky]

too bad all those games don't outnumber the quantity of the xbox games, yes, i ownz joo

[zacharypike]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2001/20010829l.gif

XBOX SUCKS A$$!!!!

[BigSky]

XBox owns joo 2.

[Boggy700]

Originally posted by BigSky
too bad all those games don't outnumber the quantity of the xbox games, yes, i ownz joo

But what if the small amount of GC games are more fun than the huge amount of XBox games?

[BigSky]

good point, and that could very well be true

but I don't want to wait for weeks at a time to have new games to choose from, like the N64 situation

but no doubt there will be all time classic games in the mario , zelda area that will make the GC worht getting no doubt

[imported_DaKilla]

That list is an official list of the games that will be availible on Nov. 18. You know, the day it's coming out. Where did Miyamoto say that? Sounds like made up fanboy BS to me.
About the DVD, I was talking about if you don't want it installed in the system. It's not a hard concept to understand, just put your brain to work a little. If you don't want the DVD player, then if you get the system, you have to pay the extra $ for it anyway, you don't have a choice.
Super Monkey ball is supposed to be a great, fun, challenging game. But you probably won't know that since you haven't read any of IGN's reviews have you? Oh, and Sonic is not kiddy, he's one of the greatest characters ever created. Have you even seen any of the more mature games for the system? Here's a list of the games that are rated T along with the ones that aren't childish:

1)SSBM
2)Rouge Leader
3)Eternal Darkness(if you call this a kiddy game, you are truely an idiot).
4)MK5
6)All of the Sports games
5)Extreme G 3
6)Resident Evil 0
7)Galleon: Islands of Mystery
8)More that I don't have the patience to write

There are lots of non kiddy games on the system. But you didn't read my quote did you? You know, the one about all that matters is if a game is fun? You're only embarasing yourself by continuing to try to prove me wrong. I suggest you save your self a bit of humiliation and stop, it's pointless and you know it.

A hahahahah That's seriously halarious. When have Games for GC been Reviewed? Maybe Previewed, but not reviewed. haha

Also Eternal Darkness will probably be rated Teen. Sports games are rated Everyone. What does that leave you with? MK5 and resident evil? There is no denying The Gc is aimed at kids. Programmers said they are. GC is aimed toward kids. Also SSB?
common Yah that's really adultish.

NOw as for the two games. I meant First Party.
Third party's are notorious when it comes to game releases.

Now as for The Dvd thing.... You're basically telling me you would rather be ripped off with a $200.00 system that can't Play DVD's or Cd's and dosen't have an HD but can play games . When you can get an XBox that plays Cd's Dvd's and games and includes an HD for $300.00.

The only reason Gc is making those little tiny round thingy's is because they don't want any Piracy. They are in it for the money not the Games.

I had a Nintendo 64 and those days were hell. I am not about to throw more money at nintendo so that I could play another installment of MArio.

Also when games say they are made for Everyone. In other words it's to hard for kids and to kiddy for adults... more or less.

[zmaster]

Originally posted by DaKilla


A hahahahah That's seriously halarious. When have Games for GC been Reviewed? Maybe Previewed, but not reviewed. haha

Also Eternal Darkness will probably be rated Teen. Sports games are rated Everyone. What does that leave you with? MK5 and resident evil? There is no denying The Gc is aimed at kids. Programmers said they are. GC is aimed toward kids. Also SSB?
common Yah that's really adultish.

NOw as for the two games. I meant First Party.
Third party's are notorious when it comes to game releases.

Now as for The Dvd thing.... You're basically telling me you would rather be ripped off with a $200.00 system that can't Play DVD's or Cd's and dosen't have an HD but can play games . When you can get an XBox that plays Cd's Dvd's and games and includes an HD for $300.00.

The only reason Gc is making those little tiny round thingy's is because they don't want any Piracy. They are in it for the money not the Games.

I had a Nintendo 64 and those days were hell. I am not about to throw more money at nintendo so that I could play another installment of MArio.

Also when games say they are made for Everyone. In other words it's to hard for kids and to kiddy for adults... more or less.

Yes, they have been partially reviewed, bucause they have been played, 'nuf said. Have you even seen any Eternal Darkness movies? There's blood everywhere, people heads and limbs bust off in a bloody mess. Try watching some movies for a game before you go and post stuff like that.
I don't think not getting an HD and a DVD player is getting ripped off. I don't really need the things, I have a computer and DVD player for that.
Not in it for the games? Woah, that one's so idiotic that it doesn't even deserve a proper response! Nice try, dumb ass.
The 64 is a great system. May I ask what games you played on it? Oh, and you don't have to get the Mario games, there are other games.
Again it seems that you did not read my famous words, or read my speech. I'm afraid "more or less" doesn't cover it, sonny;) All that matters about a game is if it's fun. It's a very simple concept, yet you, like other stuborn fools like you, can't seem to accept it. Sorry for insulting you so much, I don't usually do that, but you deserved it;)

[HISS128]

Last time I checked, this was a consol war! Not a DVD war. Idiots... :)

[shock troop]

www.penny-arcade.com is awesome!!!

[Temjin]

... Its okay... But, that had absolutely nothing to do with the subject. o_o;

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by zmaster


Nice. I wonder what the "other" is. GAME.COM

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by BigSky
why ask pretendo zmaster, don't you know the answer.

there will be from 10-15 launch games for the gc
and then a trickle of games through out the rest of the year

overall though, the XBox has more annonced games than GC
recall N64.... This is called-Smart buisness. When you have 20-25 games at launch, you are then setting yourself up to loose money (people buy the best of the best for the system)Take the DC for instants; The DC had 24 launch games; (examples), if you had to pick between Blue Stinger and Sonic Adventure...what would it be? It's not even worth answering...if only Blue Stinger came out...people would have bought it. But since sonic came out with it...Blue Stinger didn't make the greatest hits list. More titles = better for customers; More titles= Bad for Producee. So if you cared about your company, then you would worry about this technacallity (talking to MS people).

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by HISS128
Last time I checked, this was a consol war! Not a DVD war. Idiots... :) This isn't a war, but rather a debate. When there is war, there will only be one winner; Nintendo will not kill MS...or Vise Versa. Look at Sega, they weren't in a "war", they just decided to "quit".

[BigSky]

Limited number of launch titles is fine for NIN, for MS and a first time console it's a different story. And the way pre-sales have gone, it's all looking good so far for MS.

But more importanty will be the amount of titles that come to the GC after launch, I already see problems and some devs complaing about publishing rights etc cause NIN make it hard on devs. Therefore the same problem as with the N64.

But you bring us to another good point reboot_zero, a point you must have over looked.

NIN has a history of selling a lot ot titles, even for the N64. Which is good. But like you said reboot, the only reason those title sell as much as they do, cause there was never anything else to buy in the first place. If you had an N64 you were starved for titles. Thus when one came out, you bought it and so did many others, cause there was nothing else to buy.

MS's numerous titles seems to be the best move right now. Variety will help sell systems, cause sometimes it's just one game that will sell a system.

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by BigSky
Limited number of launch titles is fine for NIN, for MS and a first time console it's a different story. And the way pre-sales have gone, it's all looking good so far for MS.

But more importanty will be the amount of titles that come to the GC after launch, I already see problems and some devs complaing about publishing rights etc cause NIN make it hard on devs. Therefore the same problem as with the N64.

But you bring us to another good point reboot_zero, a point you must have over looked.

NIN has a history of selling a lot ot titles, even for the N64. Which is good. But like you said reboot, the only reason those title sell as much as they do, cause there was never anything else to buy in the first place. If you had an N64 you were starved for titles. Thus when one came out, you bought it and so did many others, cause there was nothing else to buy.

MS's numerous titles seems to be the best move right now. Variety will help sell systems, cause sometimes it's just one game that will sell a system. You came across many good points, a new system does need a good lauch. Releasing all the "high quality" games at launch though...seems kinda sucky. Halo, Abe, Ak something (smurf game) are lanch or recently going to be released after the system, this, from what I see, will be the "crown jewels" of the Xbox. What if Xbox can't meet up to expectation after launch? Sure, it will sell a system, but how about after the launch? Though the 64 didn't have that many games, the ratio from good to bad was much higher than the PSX, the PSX had a lot of..."crap" games along with some very good games. By-the-way, when you said I probally waited for a new 64 game to come out; I actually wasn't waiting for new games, since most games made from nes to N64 were so brilliant, I could easily play Double Dragon to Smash Bro.. Though, the PSX had some quality games, they most likly didn't have very good replay value since most of them were RPGs (story). People like RPGs...thats fine, just don't follow square because they made good games such as Secret of Mana or Chrono Trigger...because the was Brownie Brown, the company formally worked for Square Soft until they kept making nothing Final Fantasy sequals which had nothing to do with the previous. Brownie Brown= working for GAMECUBE

[Ness_IS_Best]

Why the heck does a console have to have a dvd drive
in it to be cool????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shock troop]

Originally posted by nintega
Why the heck does a console have to have a dvd drive
in it to be cool????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why the heck did you bump a three month old topic?

[Invisible Hand]

Dude, you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Don't be an idiot. Listen all the systems are good in at least some way. Gamecube has some of the sweetest games, that are only on GCN. Playstation 2 kicks ass. With Grand Turismo 3, Grand Theft Auto 3, Final Fantasy X, and Jak and Daxter, PS2 is pretty sweet in my book. While X-Box isn't my fav system. Don't go saying shit about, X-Box actually has a pretty nice controller. Not very many games now, but more are soon to come.

[Pretendo]

Jeez this topic just won't die... Older than most of the people who post in it:)

[zmaster]

Woah, crap, when did this old thing get back up here? geez people, just let it die, I'm gonna get Temjin to close it, man......

PS: Welcome back Pretendo! We missed you!

[jacenthicus]

The XBox is very much like a PC. For one thing it is huge. Also it breaks down like a PC because it has a freakin harddrive like a PC!!!

[imported_RCT-XL]

Originally posted by
The XBox is very much like a PC. For one thing it is huge. Also it breaks down like a PC because it has a freakin harddrive like a PC!!!


Hate to burst your bubble, but Next-Gen consoles are made from PC Parts. Why don't ypu do some quick thinking before posting....

[Inaba]

heh why wont this post DIE??

[CaptainNintendo]

Bigsky - YOU THINKGAMECUBE IS KIDDY? WHAT ABOUT THOSE KIDDY GAMES FOR XBOX LIKE: MAD DASH, MUNCHS ODDSEY, SHREK, AND MORE. MONKEY BALL IS A HIGHLY POPULAR GAME IN JAPAN AND IS MORE POPULAR THEN SOME HALO GAME. AND SONIC IS A CLASSIC THAT LIVES ON FOREVER UNLIKE THE XBOX TITLES. BY THE WAY IF YOU EVER WANT TO PLAY THESE GAMES FOR GAMECUBE THEN YOU BETTER BUY ONE. HERE THEY ARE:

RESIDENT EVIL
SOUL CALIBUR 2
GTA 3 (ALSO ON PS2)
BLOODY ROAR 2
SUPER SMASH BROS. (EGM'S GAME OF THE MONTH)
STAR WARS RSRL 2
PERFECT DARK 2
ETERNAL DARKNESS
METROID PRIME
PHANTASY STAR ONLINE 2
SKYS OF ARCADIA
GOLDEN SUN

PLUS MORE.


IF YOU THINK GAMECUBE IS KIDDY BIGSKY THEN YOU SUCK MONKEY DICKS. IF YOU THINK ITS KIDDY THEN YOUR NOT A GAMER, YOUR AN IDIOT. DONT EVEN CALL YOURSELF A GAMER TILL YOU PLAY IT.

[Inaba]

Wow Captain N, thanks for yelling at a member who doesn't even come to this board anymore (that I know of)

Anywho this thread is very VERY old, Anybody whos new

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO IT.