DOES GAMECUBE HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS THAN XBOX!!!

[NINTENDOFREAK]

DOES GC HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS THAN XBOX... PLZ IF THERES ANY SMART PPL OUT THERE THAN PLZ EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN DETAILS... THANK U!!!

[UnderT666]

Well I will try to explain it the simpless posible:

lets look at the processors first:

GC:485MHz (Power PC chip)copper wire technology

Xbox:733MHz pentium chip (Aluminium)

The point:1:GC is more powerful than Xbox because a 485MHz Power PC chip is more powerful than an 800MHz pentium chip.
2:Since Xbox's chip is made of aluminium it can easily overheat within 19 hours but GC's chip can stay on for at least 7 days on.


The graphic processors:

Flipper:this chip will be the most advanced chip during it's release and what makes it so special is that this chip has a very powerful texture compressor which makes the games look real.you see Nintendo decided to use textures instead of using polygons,well GC has polygon support but they don't use it as the main engine.like they use the polygons to creat figures but not perfect figures and the textures making it more real like cutting edges of the figure and make it more round and smooth.

Nvidia:The graphic card that has only polygon engine and no textures but however the polygon count is high.

Winner:Flipper wins because it has textures and polygon count while ps2 and xbox have only polygon count.The graphic processors are the harts of the hardwares.

that is all you need to know why GC is better than xbox and ps2.

[UnderT666]

umm...Nintendofreak?Did you at least read the reply because I didn't post all that for nothing you know.

[stupoo007]

i read it, and..well...ummm interesting and cointrversal.

[NINTENDOFREAK]

thanks man tt666... or whatever ur name was... it made perfect sence and gc = the besttttttt... and xbox can blow my joeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee e!!! hahahahaha but anyways thx man!!!!

[UnderT666]

No problem man,I'm always there to explain it to anyone.

[Mario's Dad]

That was the worst tech explanation I've ever heard. Xbox will have an edge on GC but they will both look stunning. Worry about the games. Oh wait, we're Nintendo fans we have nothing to worry about.:cool:

[BenIII]

kewl,where did you find all of this stuff?

[UnderT666]

I know it because I'm a worker with that kind of stuff and also a game tester so if anyone thinks that this isn't clear enough then it means that he is a dumbass.So this mario's dad doesn't know anything about what he is even saying,1:he is not a game developer or software enginer which currently I'm studying to become,plus he is the only one who is who thinks that it is not clear but I won't argue about it.And with calm that is how I became the most respected person at Gameshark.com

And don't worry I also made tests to see if it's true,I have the Gamecube dev. kit and I compared it with my friend's(who is a software enginer) computer which had pretty much same specs as Xbox.But it is really easy to compare if you have the tools,or visit Intel's web site to see of what is their chip made of and all that,the only thing you have to do is to compare everything possible before saying:Oh! Xbox has 733Mhz and Gamecube has only 485,I will buy Xbox.



[Edited by UnderT666 on 06-01-2001 at 08:42 PM]

[Mario's Dad]

Well for a guy studying to become a game programmer you don't sound like you know shit.


Flipper:this chip will be the most advanced chip during it's release and what makes it so special is that this chip has a very powerful texture compressor which makes the games look real.you see Nintendo decided to use textures instead of using polygons,well GC has polygon support but they don't use it as the main engine.like they use the polygons to creat figures but not perfect figures and the textures making it more real like cutting edges of the figure and make it more round and smooth.

Nvidia:The graphic card that has only polygon engine and no textures but however the polygon count is high.

No textures? WTF are you talking about? It has pixel shaders which create amazing textures. Texture compression is to compress textures. It does not make them look amazing. It's up to the developer to do that. Xbox also has 6:1 texture compression by the way. Your whole explanation of GC's polygon and texture usage makes you sound like a 3rd grader.


And don't worry I also made tests to see if it's true,I have the Gamecube dev. kit and I compared it with my friend's(who is a software enginer) computer which had pretty much same specs as Xbox.But it is really easy to compare if you have the tools,or visit Intel's web site to see of what is their chip made of and all that,the only thing you have to do is to compare everything possible before saying:Oh! Xbox has 733Mhz and Gamecube has only 485,I will buy Xbox.

You can't compare a computer to an Xbox. The video and sound cards that Xbox uses have not been released on the PC and nothing currently out comes close to their power. And how exactaly did you "compare" them anyway?

[Edited by Mario's Dad on 06-02-2001 at 02:59 PM]

[UnderT666]

Mario's dad:I'm not talking about the texture compressor that you think about,In fact it's named texture compressor but it's not a texure compressor,it's called a texture creator which create's textures.And Xbox's pixel shaders are completly different from what GC use and that is why I did not mentioned it.Well if you think I did all the explanation like a 3rd grader,well I made it simple because not everyone understands the hard way,oh and mario lets see if you can do better.

Yes I compared GC and a Computer similar to Xbox in speed (power) and NOT graphics or sound and also I destroyed my friend's computer by letting it on for 7 days and it overheated in 1 day 08 hours 27 min. 56 sec.
GC,I letted it on for 4-5 days and after that I turned it off.

Please don't be my enemy but instead be my friend.

[Platnium01]

Why cant you compare a computer and an XBOX?
1. They have the same specs
2. Same types of games
3. Made by Microsoft
4. Both CRASH!!!!(memories of E3 flood in)

[Mario's Dad]

Ok, I really don't like fighting. The whole 3rd grade thing was because you worded it funny. You had to make it simple for the ones that aren't techies though. I'm not but have picked up some stuff just listening to people.

As far as comparing it to a PC, it's good to hear GC was faster but you have to remember Xbox doesn't have a large os to hold up. Plus the many bottlenecks that Xbox doesn't have that a pc does.

[UnderT666]

I'm glad that you agree with me or,at least believe me.Hey have you got an Idea how to make money because now I own 1500$ to my friend because I destroyed his PC,but hey that was fun!

[dragulongx]

Lets see Nintendo-experience and Microsoft-no experience.............hmmmmm Gee that question was pretty hard.

[UnderT666]

They changed the specs thats why.If you don't believe me then go to: http://cube.ign.com/news/34736.html

tridionkm:My friends PC is not crappy,it's because I took the fan out of the computer.remember GC has no fan.

[UnderT666]

Yes I know that the real system will not be the same as the dev. kit but there will not be SO much changements.

I said that GC uses txtures as it's main engine and Poly. as second engine so don't blame me,ok?

Some peoples are saying that Games Matters the most,well praticly it's true but you need a a console powerful enough to create great images,textures,etc.

[Temjin]

When did NINTENDOFREAK post this?! How the hell did I miss it?!

My god... UnderT666, sorry. But I'm going to have to tear your post to shreds.


Originally posted by UnderT666
GC:485MHz (Power PC chip)copper wire technology

Xbox:733MHz pentium chip (Aluminium)

The point:1:GC is more powerful than Xbox because a 485MHz Power PC chip is more powerful than an 800MHz pentium chip.
See, the thing is, the Xbox's CPU is used only for Artificial Intellegence and Physcis, while the Gamecube's CPU has to help the GPU out with the geometry and whatnot. The Xbox's CPU is better for what it has to do.


Flipper:this chip will be the most advanced chip during it's release and what makes it so special is that this chip has a very powerful texture compressor which makes the games look real.you see Nintendo decided to use textures instead of using polygons,well GC has polygon support but they don't use it as the main engine.like they use the polygons to creat figures but not perfect figures and the textures making it more real like cutting edges of the figure and make it more round and smooth.
Excuse my French, but, bullshit. The Geforce3, right now, is the most advanced graphics processing unit out right now. The Flipper and G3 both have 6:1 texture compression, neither GPU has an advantage here. The GF3 has fully programmable pixel/vertex shaders which gives it much more flexibility and power than the Flipper... And the GF3 can push more polygons(Conservative for the Flipper is 6-12, right? The GF3's is around 30-40). Now, the NV2A in the Xbox is an enhanced GF3, with an extra T&L unit, giving it almost double the poly pushing power, and an extra pixel/vertex shader, giving it even more power and flexibility than the GF3. Plus, theres no AGP bus slowing it down like it would on a PC.


Winner:Flipper wins because it has textures and polygon count while ps2 and xbox have only polygon count.The graphic processors are the harts of the hardwares.
The PS2 doesn't have a real Graphics processor. The heart of the PS2 is its CPU, the Emotion Engine. Problem with it is it does all the work for the PS2, T&L and all.


that is all you need to know why GC is better than xbox and ps2.
You're funny, you know that?

[Temjin]

... And I dont want to hear anything remotely similar to "Graphics dont matter gameplay is what counts". This is a technical debate, so wer're talking about hardware, not software. Save that for another thread.

[tiny_prey]

wow xbox rules, man?...lol:p

anyway...simpler(i hope):

-GCN uses newer technology(copper wire) while xbox uses proven yet old technology

-485(GCN) vs. 733(xbox)...clock speed is for idiots nowadays.
for example, in pc's: 1.3 athlon=1.7p4...(or was it 1.5)
so they run about the same speed

-GCN uses new memory that's the fastest thing there is.

in the end, xbox mite hav plain 'ole power...but wit GCN using a combo of kewl stuff (the MPU and the memory), they run about the same.

GCN is better in sum areas...xbox in others (this fact is 2 advanced for me 2 explain cuz i barely understand it)

go 2 my thread called "learn"...it has a link that goes 2 a site that explains GCN in much detail.

altho, MS gave a stat that was dumb-125million pollys/sec
while nintendo gave a stat that was odd-6-12milion pollys/sec

the MS stat included very lil effex so the grafix mite be smooth...but bland. while the GCN pollys would be very detailed.

developers hav leaked out info sayn' that GCN can achieve 20milion pollys/sec.
(ps2 can only less than 10million pollys/sec for sure)

and developers note that 90% of the GCN power can be EASILY used! (but 90% of wut pollu count?)

MS is overestimating(for hype) while Nintendo is underestimating (just 2 be safe)

while nintendo mite be keeping their mouth shut...its only for suspense vs hype. which means they wouldn't dissapoint us...
stay tuned...after sep. 14th....many answers will be given

[BigSky]

<b>altho, MS gave a stat that was dumb-125million pollys/sec
while nintendo gave a stat that was odd-6-12milion pollys/sec
</b>

MSs' stat was alway with no features running etc etc.

The only thing they were stupid about was putting this out cause stupid people wouldn't understand it.

Consoles have done this for years, but when MS did it, a lot of folks got caught up in it.

[tiny_prey]

temjin:
and here i thot that the fact the Nintendo uses a GPU that uses copper wire technology WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN SUMTIN!!! :p

and i read at gamespot sumtin about GCN's GPU doing sumtin 8times in one pass wen xbox can only do 4 and ps2 even less.
wut is that thing? 8 layers(if that exists)? :D

wuts the thing that GCN's GPU can do "8 times in one pass"?

i'm pretty sure that the GCN GPU exells at sumtin while the G3 exells at others.

[why i edit? i dont wanna hear that this 8 times in one pass is pointless...it has 2 mean sumtin. i admit...the xbox may hav better <i>power</i> but the grafix shouldn't be 2 far from comparison either]

[Temjin]

http://forum.msxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=18182

Deadpan, the person who started that thread, goes into detail and explains why the Xbox's architecture is overall superior to the GCN's. If you can understand most of that techno dribble, and read like... over 7 pages worth of information, flaming, bitching, etc. Click on the link.

[BigSky]

8 textures
MS can do 4

you really should read your own links

that way when you argue you can at least seem like you might know what you are talking about

[Temjin]

Originally posted by tiny_prey
temjin:
and here i thot that the fact the Nintendo uses a GPU that uses copper wire technology WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN SUMTIN!!! :p

and i read at gamespot sumtin about GCN's GPU doing sumtin 8times in one pass wen xbox can only do 4 and ps2 even less.
wut is that thing? 8 layers(if that exists)? :D

wuts the thing that GCN's GPU can do "8 times in one pass"?

i'm pretty sure that the GCN GPU exells at sumtin while the G3 exells at others.
You mean the texture layers? The Xbox does 2 layers in each pass, which adds up to 8. Neither console has an advantage here, tiny_prey.

[BigSky]

you sure on that temjin?


IGN.CON shows this break down

XBox PS2 GC
Simultaneous Textures 4 1 8

[BigSky]

i see what you are saying now I think temjin

this is a quote

'The MAXIMUM a GameCube can use is 2MB of Textures per clock cycle.

162.5 Clock Cycles times 2 access per clock times 1MB of RAM = 325MB per second.

This sets a hardware limitation of MAXIMUM of 325MB worth of textures per second.

By comparison, if the XBox had a game that used the same as the full GameCubes main, and A-memory banks (40MB), it would have 24MB worth of RAM that it could draw from twice per clock.

250 Clock Cycles times 2 access per clock times 24MB RAM = 12,000MB per second.

And that is NOT the XBox's limit. That is with the XBox using the full GameCube systems worth of RAM, minus the Texture Cache and Frame Buffer, for the game engine and sounds. '

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by BigSky
8 textures
MS can do 4

you really should read your own links

that way when you argue you can at least seem like you might know what you are talking about

notice that in my post, i sed that i read it at gamespot...so i ded read my own link...i just forgot exactly wut it was.

[Temjin]

Heres proof about the 8 texture layers thing, tiny_prey:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q1/010227/geforce3-01.html

"There are still four pixel pipelines and two simultaneous textures that can be applied to a pixel."

8 texture layers. Huzzah. No advantage. Moving on:


Originally posted by BigSky
MSs' stat was alway with no features running etc etc.
Actually, thats a real world figure. 125mpps is possible with gouraud-shaded, two-texture triangles per second, complete with transformation, clipping, and perspective projection.(Thanks to Mario's Dad for this information. :))


Consoles have done this for years, but when MS did it, a lot of folks got caught up in it.
Actually, Sony did it, then a lot of folks got caught up in it. Remember the 70mpps figure?... They actually had quite a few people believing that shit for awhile. Rather, the press did. Sony never went into detail about it until recently. But on the other hand, MS has.

[Temjin]

I hope I'm not upsetting any hardcore GCN fans here. I'm simply stating the truth.

Just for the record, the GCN is also a very powerful piece of machinery, like I've said countless times. Its also capable of some amazing visuals. Its just that the Xbox is capable of more. Thats all I'm trying to say. ^_^;

[BigSky]

people should take it as learning something, not as an attack on any particular console

i just learned more about textures the past 5 minutes then i knew 10 minutes ago

[Temjin]

Originally posted by BigSky
people should take it as learning something, not as an attack on any particular console
Right. If they did, people wouldn't hate you so much on this forum. :D Oh well, hopefully things'll change.


i just learned more about textures the past 5 minutes then i knew 10 minutes ago
Feels good, doesn't it? Learning new stuff, I mean.

I didn't really know a thing about CPUs and GPUs until I got interested in the Xbox. The folks at MSXbox.com's forums really taught me a lot.

[BigSky]

yeah, there is a thread by deadpan over in the console debate forum at msxbox where he goes over the comparisons of GC and XBox, it's really good, but i would not even dare post it here :)

[Temjin]

I... Already posted a link to it in this thread. :D

I hope it doesn't cause more flaming and chaos.

[BigSky]

well here is a link comparing the GC and the PS2 graphics abilities

even out the discussion a little bit

http://www.segatech.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003051.html

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by Temjin
Its just that the Xbox is capable of more. Thats all I'm trying to say. ^_^;

bummed me out.
sorry, but i'm not genius, so i didn't understand that article and wut it had 2 do wit the topic.
(i'm serious: congradulations 2 those who did)

i'm pretty sure that 8 textures at once had sumtin 2 do wit develpers (if not grafix).
ok,ok i'll stop wit the 8thing at once thing!

hmm...now that i think about it?
in the post that where u sed wut i quoted above,
do you mean that GCN is capable of the same stuff as xbox just that xbox can do more of it?
(...still makes lil sense 2 me)
or are u just giving GCN a consolation prize?!
:eek:

[why i edit? i missed a few words]

[BigSky]

strictly hardware speaking, not what developers can do with it
the xbox edges out the GC

but the GC is still one powerful piece of gaming machinery, no doubt

[Temjin]

Originally posted by tiny_prey
bummed me out.
o_o; Sorry.


sorry, but i'm not genius, so i didn't understand that article and wut it had 2 do wit the topic.
(i'm serious: congradulations 2 those who did)
You didn't have to read the whole article. I just wanted to show you the source. I quoted all you needed to read about the 4 pipelines and the 2 texure layers being applied to a pixel, etc etc. :)


hmm...now that i think about it?
in the post that where u sed wut i quoted above,
do you mean that GCN is capable of the same stuff as xbox just that xbox can do more of it?
(...still makes lil sense 2 me)
or are u just giving GCN a consolation prize?!
:eek:
In a way, I am. I'm saying the GCN is capable of some amazing graphics, but the Xbox's will still be noticably better. You'll still be getting a powerful system with some great games, so dont worry if the Xbox is can push more polygons or do this and that... If the GCN has the games you want, you get it. :)

[Temjin]

Well.... This debate went pretty well, I'd say. :)

[tiny_prey]

Originally posted by Temjin

In a way, I am. I'm saying the GCN is capable of some amazing graphics, but the Xbox's will still be noticably better. You'll still be getting a powerful system with some great games, so dont worry if the Xbox is can push more polygons or do this and that... If the GCN has the games you want, you get it. :)

i kno that you're all "non-biased" and all...so i wasn't sure how u were treating the GCN...then i'd hav 2 argue...even if your knowledge of technical stuff dwarfs mine...lol:D

(deffinetly has the games i want...so i wasn't doubting the GCN...i've seen screenshots(in game and others) and movies, so i kno the grafix are more than satisfying!)

[dragulongx]

Who brought this old thread up again?

[Temjin]

Rc-cool, I believe. And I'm glad he did it. There was a lot of things I needed to touch base on. :)

[Temjin]

... Interesting signature, by the way. O_o;

[dragulongx]

I kinda got the idea from Icy Princess and got the pic from the htloz site.

[Steban]

Originally posted by UnderT666
The point:1:GC is more powerful than Xbox because a 485MHz Power PC chip is more powerful than an 800MHz pentium chip.
2:Since Xbox's chip is made of aluminium it can easily overheat within 19 hours but GC's chip can stay on for at least 7 days on.


I wouldn't say it's more powerful, it just depends REALLY highly on how it is used.

Also, the two systems are going to be cooled in some way, although the copper technology is still better. I don't think overheating will be something to worry about in thw two systems.

[dragulongx]

Try arguing with BigSky.

[MATRIX-X]

not again...to sleepy..must ..

just read the segatech article its pretty accurate exept some speculation but still a nicely written one.

http://www.segatech.com/technical/consolecompare/index.html

and for the flipper vs GF3
flipper is more a gf2 i doenst have shaders i only does T&l is a year older you know .

[Mario's Dad]

I'd take Deadpan's little tech article with a grain of salt. Or should I say a 30lb bucket of salt. There are many things that Deadpan doesn't know about GC's architecture. He apparently doesn't realize how fast GC's memory is. It has a texture read bandwidth of 10.4 gigs. You think you'll be limited to 325MB's of textures off that. I've got to go but I'll bet back to this debate a little later. ;)

[Temjin]

Deadpan's thread is around 15 pages now, post a reply and make 15 more! That'll be the longest thread in ever. :D

[Spyweb22]

gc wins

[reboot_zero]

The lauch of these 2 systems remind me of a time exactly like this; the time mid 1987, the Sega Master system had been out for a few years, so had the NES. The Master system used "new" ideas that everybody thought was going to be great, only to find out that nobody even knew what to do with them. The NES was a Japanese system (ugh back then), it came over here, not expecting to do anything on the market...it obliterated until the SNES release. Nintendo has always done that until the N64, 1 bad system against the other 5 brilliant systems (NES,SNES,GB,GBC,VB), all which were brilliant, except for the VB, but it had a few fun, adictive games on it. Nintendo blew away other compatition (Panasonic,3DO,Atari,Neo Geo...etc.) until the release of the N64, even the PSX had no effect on Nintendo until the 64. "GCN=Anti-N64" -Miyamoto
Ps.Spyweb22, shut up, how in the hell do you know which system will win, do you actually think Nintendo will put Microsoft out of buisness? or Vise Versa?
PS.I still believe this dude is related to Bigsky;)
PS2.Sorry to bring an old topic like this up, I just did it to show how closly alike GAMECUBEFREAK and Bigsky think.

[PhixedDice]

Why'd you bump a thead that's over 2 months dead?

[CubeFaN]

Originally posted by UnderT666
[B]
Since Xbox's chip is made of aluminium it can easily overheat within 19 hours but GC's chip can stay on for at least 7 days on.

B]

That means that I don't need to buy a memory card!!!!j/k

Yaayyyye!!!!!!!! :gg

[CubeFaN]

Stop!!!! posting

[Inaba]

GameCube has a fan and a heatsink, you ruined your friends computer for nothing, just thought i'd like to comment on that

[Chucky]

Originally posted by NINTENDOFREAK
DOES GC HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS THAN XBOX... PLZ IF THERES ANY SMART PPL OUT THERE THAN PLZ EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN DETAILS... THANK U!!!
GAMECUBE!! The X-box's gonna suck and you damn well know it!!, just look at the new RE game for GC, Best damn visuals ever!! CG's gonna own, X-box is gonna die out quickly.

[nintendofanboy]

Why do some of you even bother to post information you know jack about? if i dont know anything on a subject i dont post anything at all! i would love to have a technical debate with people that know what there talking about posting and others asking questions. Temjin seems to be one of the few who does know whats hes talking about so mad props to temjin! besides he was the only one to talk about the dual t&l engines on the xbox, but no one seems to have brought up the ram setups of both these great systems which have a big impact on there performance

[BigSky]

Chucky Writes:
GAMECUBE!! The X-box's gonna suck and you damn well know it!!, just look at the new RE game for GC, Best damn visuals ever!! CG's gonna own, X-box is gonna die out quickly.-------------
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The Xbox won't suck.
RE looks great, but it has pre-rendered backgrounds, big deal, xbox could do that easily.

Seems to me Chucky, the GC is already dead in Japan. But thanks for you opinion. Not worth much, but yeah, thanx.

[Inaba]

Yes, GameCube is dead, Nintendo has announced they are making no more games, and stoping production on the GameCube go check IGN. They will become a 3rd party, and work on all systems.

[Xflop]

The GCN is already proving it has better graphics and faster framerates, with lighting effects to put xbox to shame.

[Xflop]

Originally posted by BigSky
Chucky Writes:
GAMECUBE!! The X-box's gonna suck and you damn well know it!!, just look at the new RE game for GC, Best damn visuals ever!! CG's gonna own, X-box is gonna die out quickly.-------------
-------------------------------------------

The Xbox won't suck.
RE looks great, but it has pre-rendered backgrounds, big deal, xbox could do that easily.

Seems to me Chucky, the GC is already dead in Japan. But thanks for you opinion. Not worth much, but yeah, thanx.

No xbox CAN'T do it. RE is GCN exclusive hahahhahahahahaha!

Hey troll boy you're an idiot if you think GCN is dead in Japan, there are only 3 games out, well thats 3 more than xbox isn't it?
Wonder if xbox would've come anywhere near 300,000 console sales had it come out on the 14th LOL!

[Jim]

The GCN is already dead in Japan... right... ahh haaa

i remember now... wait... no i dont...

Im not even gonna bother replying to that childsih comment Big Sky... thats just plain stupid and false... you can be banned for being a troll (livin off others responses) so i suggest rediculous posts such as that cease...

[BigSky]

let's see if the XBox sold only 300K or 180K on it's launch day in the US, would all of you call it a failure?

what if MS said that was thier projected number? would you call that MS spin?

[Inaba]

I wouldn't really call any system a failure until they stop producing games for them, stop producing systems, have sold hardly any units, and have little to no place in the market.

Examples: Atari Jaguar, Neo Geo Pocket Color (in the US at least)

[Deadly Blood Shedder]

The X-box is a lot stronger than the gamecube wich has a good part to it and an a lot bigger bad part to it. The system is so powerful and all but that just adds $100.00 cost to it plus it's the games that matter and the system has just a little part to it. The gc has a perfect balance of this making it jaw dropping games and graphics.

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Deadly Blood Shedder
The system is so powerful and all but that just adds $100.00 cost to it
You pay for what you get...


plus it's the games that matter
Correct. And have you checked out the Xbox's software lineup? The launch lineup alone is pretty stellar. Better than most.

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by BigSky
Chucky Writes:
GAMECUBE!! The X-box's gonna suck and you damn well know it!!, just look at the new RE game for GC, Best damn visuals ever!! CG's gonna own, X-box is gonna die out quickly.-------------
-------------------------------------------

The Xbox won't suck.
RE looks great, but it has pre-rendered backgrounds, big deal, xbox could do that easily.

Seems to me Chucky, the GC is already dead in Japan. But thanks for you opinion. Not worth much, but yeah, thanx. Any next-gen system can do that game, so you really aren't saying much...except that you know how to make childish remarks!

[reboot_zero]

Temjin, you don't get what you pay for; take a tommy hilfiger shirt for instants, made of cotton, goes above your torso and below you noggin...this is not anything special.....it only makes them profiteering glutons!!! And we have checked out the Xbox line up, can you honestly prove that any of those games will be fun (even from their past history)?

[Temjin]

Originally posted by reboot_zero
Temjin, you don't get what you pay for; take a tommy hilfiger shirt for instants, made of cotton, goes above your torso and below you noggin...this is not anything special.....it only makes them profiteering glutons!!!
@_@; You know what I meant!! :p Theres more included in the Xbox. Considering all you're getting, $299.99 isn't that big of a deal. Compare what you got with the PSX and Saturn with what you're getting with the Xbox. The PSX and Saturn launced at $299.99, and in some places the Saturn went up to $399.99!

Hrm... Tryin' to twist my words around a bit... I'LL BITE YOUR LEG OFF AGAIN! :p


And we have checked out the Xbox line up, can you honestly prove that any of those games will be fun (even from their past history)?
I can give you my word that HALO, Munch, and DOA3 will be some great games that any gamer will enjoy if they put their hatred of Microsoft and their Xbox aside. I've played them all, and they're great. :)

Especially HALO... If any of you buy an Xbox, thats the game you should get with it. It excels in just about every category. Graphics, sound, controls(Yes, playing a FPS with a controller can actually work now. :p)... Just, amazing. BUY IT! :D

[reboot_zero]

1.Ar you saying the systems that come out expensive will die soon after their release?
2.Why in the hell would I want to buy any Xbox for a game that will be coming to PC? With online play?

[BigSky]

It's rather biased to say that the XBox won't have any fun games.

It would be biased of me to say that NIN won't have any fun games. So let me say it. NIN won't have any fun games.

See, it can work both ways, but in both instances it's completely wrong.

[reboot_zero]

Let me see if I got this right...
Q:What games will the Xbox have that is proven to be fun?
A:Its rather biased to say that the Xbox won't have any good games. ;)

[Temjin]

Originally posted by reboot_zero
1.Ar you saying the systems that come out expensive will die soon after their release?
o_o; No... I'm just saying that the Xbox's price is pretty good considering all that you're getting. And I'm sure that consumers wont think the price is such a big deal when they read about all of those extra features on the advertisements.

And I mentioned the PSX and Saturn because many people are complaining about the price of the PS2 and Xbox, but forgot how much those systems were when they were first released, and they didn't have nearly as many features as the Xbox or PS2.


2.Why in the hell would I want to buy any Xbox for a game that will be coming to PC? With online play?
Some people(Like myself) are not PC gamers and dont have enough money to upgrade their PC to get the best performance possible out of the game. I think the Xbox version will be the best choice for most people.

And like I was saying in the other thread on the Alternate Next Gen board... Online Play still isn't ruled out. :)

[dragulongx]

I think XBox is a great way to experience PC gaming w/o having to buy a really good comp just to play games you coudn't before with past PCs.

This thread was made like before I came here. lol Man NINTENDOFREAK NINTENDOFREAK NINTENDOFREAK!!!

[tiny_prey]

yo, temjin...

wuts your computer like?
how good (or bad as u make it sound) is it?

[Temjin]

Its no good for gaming, lets just leave it at that. :p

I plan on buying a new PC pretty soon(I get some deals since I'm now working at Best Buy. :D), but right now, the GCN and Xbox have more games that I want... I'll get one when the PC versinon of HALO comes out. :)

[Temjin]

Originally posted by dragulongx
I think XBox is a great way to experience PC gaming w/o having to buy a really good comp just to play games you coudn't before with past PCs.
... I kinda, sorta agree with you. If you want to play some of the better PC games and dont want to fork over thousands of dollars to get the best performance out of the game(s), you should get an Xbox.

But there are a lot more than PC ports on the Xbox, though... Not even the PC ports are straight ports. :)

[reboot_zero]

Whats the deal? When we (N-fans) say that the Xbox has PC games, you only reply...."no it doesn't". But you will admit it among your selves? Don't buy an E-Machine (*winking at Inaba). Though, it may cost a little more, but 1.you can do a lot more and 2.It is a much better gaming experence (if you like PC games).

[Temjin]

Where in that last post of mine did I state that the Xbox didn't have any PC ports? Of course it does! All of the next gen consoles do(PS2 has way more than the Xbox, believe it or not. :D). I was saying that the Xbox has a lot more than just PC ports. Theres a lot of exclusive content that people should take a look at as well. :o

[reboot_zero]

So in other words; "I admit it has PC ports"?...of course you did. ;)

[Temjin]

Basically. O_o;

[dragulongx]

Originally posted by Temjin

... I kinda, sorta agree with you. If you want to play some of the better PC games and dont want to fork over thousands of dollars to get the best performance out of the game(s), you should get an Xbox.

But there are a lot more than PC ports on the Xbox, though... Not even the PC ports are straight ports. :)

I wasn't talking about ports because well just buy the games that are on the PC. I meant was instead of having to upgrade and do all sorts of crap on to play a game on a PC just buy xbox since PC developers will make pc games on them.

[Inaba]

My E-Machine kicks arse!!! :) Its my stupid Win ME and aging Voodoo 3 that is the problem....

Thats one advantage that Xbox does have over the PC. On a PC you always have to upgrade and you kinda have to cross your fingers that things will work or not, and after they work you have to mess with them for 40 hours to get them to work RIGHT. But the only thing is on top of all THAT I dont find PC games that great.

Some RTS is fun and I like the Sim's games but 90% of it is FPS. I dont like FPS a whole lot. And I really doubt Xbox will have awesome games like C&C and Age of Empires because well.. they aren't 3D, and for some stupid reason people look bad upon 2D.

But for PC FPS, and Sports fans, Xbox is a really good choice.

Unfortunatly I'm neither. :(

[HISS128]

Gamecube is just better in every way. Get one, and not a X-Box. They suck! Alien

[Temjin]

Originally posted by HISS128
Gamecube is just better in every way. Get one, and not a X-Box. They suck! Alien
:rolleyes:

* Temjin watches his HALO trailer again.

* Temjin drools.

[Xflop]

Originally posted by Temjin

@_@; You know what I meant!! :p Theres more included in the Xbox. Considering all you're getting, $299.99 isn't that big of a deal. Compare what you got with the PSX and Saturn with what you're getting with the Xbox. The PSX and Saturn launced at $299.99, and in some places the Saturn went up to $399.99!

Hrm... Tryin' to twist my words around a bit... I'LL BITE YOUR LEG OFF AGAIN! :p


I can give you my word that HALO, Munch, and DOA3 will be some great games that any gamer will enjoy if they put their hatred of Microsoft and their Xbox aside. I've played them all, and they're great. :)

Especially HALO... If any of you buy an Xbox, thats the game you should get with it. It excels in just about every category. Graphics, sound, controls(Yes, playing a FPS with a controller can actually work now. :p)... Just, amazing. BUY IT! :D

Halo was choppy and completely unplayable in multiplayer. people were standing around laughing at it at E3. MS doesn't fool me one bit.

[BigSky]

E3 was how many months ago, and on what level of dev kit??

think about it

[Xflop]

Originally posted by BigSky
E3 was how many months ago, and on what level of dev kit??

think about it

Have thought about, still laugh to this day about it. What's especially funny is it still barely can make 30 fps and some areas are STILL really choppy LOL, more MS hyped junk. RL2 was running at 60 fps and both are to be released at around the same time.

[Zelda Prime]

hey undert6666, cool sig!:D :D :D :D

[Temjin]

Originally posted by Xflop
Halo was choppy and completely unplayable in multiplayer. people were standing around laughing at it at E3. MS doesn't fool me one bit.
:rolleyes: Even with HALO's choppy framerate, people were still enjoying the CTF game. The only people laughing at the game were the silly, ignorant fanboys like you who didn't know why.


Have thought about, still laugh to this day about it. What's especially funny is it still barely can make 30 fps and some areas are STILL really choppy LOL, more MS hyped junk. RL2 was running at 60 fps and both are to be released at around the same time.
The game has been locked at 30. Which is not choppy. And there are rumours that the single player game is running at a smooth 60. And what areas do you speak of? The snow level that IGN mentioned? They said in the same article that Bungie did not optimize that level yet. And that it would be smooth as butter in the final version.

You're just looking for anything you can get. Considering all thats going on in HALO, a constant 30fps is more than fine.

I dont want to get into any HALO vs. RL2 debates. I think HALO is a more graphically impressive game for several reasons, but I'm not allowed to say(Damn NDAs... Damn 'em to hell. :(). But I will say that Factor5 are better developers. They've managed to do quite a lot in such a short period of time.

[smelialichu]

Rogue Squadron 2 graphics are amazing. I played Battle for Naboo and that was rubbish, so hopefully the gmaeplay on rogue Squadron 2 will be great.

As for Halo First person shooters aren't my thing. The graphics look very good though.

[reboot_zero]

Originally posted by Inaba
My E-Machine kicks arse!!! :) Its my stupid Win ME and aging Voodoo 3 that is the problem....

Thats one advantage that Xbox does have over the PC. On a PC you always have to upgrade and you kinda have to cross your fingers that things will work or not, and after they work you have to mess with them for 40 hours to get them to work RIGHT. But the only thing is on top of all THAT I dont find PC games that great.

Some RTS is fun and I like the Sim's games but 90% of it is FPS. I dont like FPS a whole lot. And I really doubt Xbox will have awesome games like C&C and Age of Empires because well.. they aren't 3D, and for some stupid reason people look bad upon 2D.

But for PC FPS, and Sports fans, Xbox is a really good choice.

Unfortunatly I'm neither. :( So in other words, you had rather buy a PC/console that will age (already very old) and you can't do anything about it except buy a newer version? Personally, I'd much rather have a PC with the best online games, and I can just upgrade it when one part becomes outdated. (Athalon 1 Ghz=$79), (512 MB RAM=$60), (182 Gig HD=$305), (Hercules Prophet III with Geforce 3=$179.99) = $623.99 = One very badass PC, it already makes the Xbox look like a clunker (not that it didn't before ;)).

[Inaba]

With Consoles the graphics get better the old fashioned way. People get down into the hardware and program until they push things out of the system that they never thought possible. Look at the PSX?

Example (Since you like Tekken)

When Tekken 1 came out they said "This is the max of the system"

Then after a while Tekken 2 came out they said "This is the max of the system"

Then Tekken 3 came out.

Look at the leap up in sheer graphics of FFVII and VIII? They didn't ad new hardware, they optimised what they were working with.

Shen Mue could handle about 8 people on the screen without droping framerate.

Shen Mue 2 can handle about 50 people on screen w/o dropping frame rate

Did they force you to buy more ram to do this?
Nope.

Did you have to install a new video card?
Nope.

The only thing Consoles suffer from is PC ports, since PC (aka U.S.) developers are either too lazy or dont have enough time to spend months (years?) optimizing their coding to run on a different format.

Xbox might not have too too much of a problem with this since its running on Windows, but 2/3 years from now it wont be able to do perfect PC ports. I don't really care for PC ports anyways, since very few PC games even interest me.

I am a Console Gamer after all :)

[reboot_zero]

Have you ever heard of point releases/patches? This corrects/helps issues like this.

[Inaba]

No, point releases and patches are for correcting bugs that they were too lazy to iron out when they released the game :)

I think you missed my point entirely.

[reboot_zero]

*points finger* "I pitty You FOOL"

[Inaba]

*becomes Mr T

"I pity the fool who don't unda stand mah points!"

*picks up Reboot and throws him, then beats him with his gold chains

[reboot_zero]

*becomes Hauk Hogan*
"Man!!! whats you prob?
*Pokes Mr. T in the left eye*

[Inaba]

*becomes Randy Savage "Ohhhhh Yeeeeeeahhhhhh!!"

hmm i think we're a bit off topic